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You can sleep for 14 hours, but if you aren’t going into the 4th stage of sleep (Alpha sleep) (like Fibromyalgics), you are not truly sleeping SOUNDLY. Thus, stress, illness, aching, and depression. This is how we found my Fibromyalgia. Definitely related to trauma in your life…happened to me after I lost my Dad. Also, PTSD. Needs that evaluation as well. Does he always have aches and pains and flu like symptoms? We need to talk about this one. I have LOTS of info. if you are interested. Hugs and love, Deb On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:17:08 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Placid thinks he’s schizoid. I think he’s ADD with bouts of major >depression. He grew up in a family where he was the only "normal" one >except for his mom who passed away a year ago. Can’t imagine losing my mom >at 21…at all. He spent years taking care of her and always kept himself >in isolation. He’s sick all the time now. Never has good sleep, even with >14 hours of it. Do any of you in here have a good enough feel of him to >provide a new perspective? This is probably stupid. >Extremely frustrated. >Ang
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yes ma’am! 
Love, Ang Loon Atick <ds…@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:dq5tauscodtbuvogu4gghquikdeimot936@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nope, I don’t need them…….don’t spend the money. > Go to that web site, and I will send the books! ;-) > Love, Deb > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:50:46 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> > wrote: > >What would one say, when asking about a doctors prejudices concerning > >CFS/FMS? > >How about just posting the names of the books and we can check to see if > >they’re at the library? If they’re not then, yes. That would be awsome. > >Ooops….I’m sorry, honey. Was I speaking for you again? 
> >Love, > >Ang > >Loon Atick <ds…@mn.rr.com> wrote in message > >news:lr1tau4seuputjmkgmp811n0sspi88q8uv@4ax.com… > >> OK, I have THREE books. Do you want me to send them? They are > >> excellent books, some of the best. Seriously. Now, finding a doctor > >> who doesn’t have his head up his ass when it comes to Chronic Fatigue > >> Syndrome (CFS) and Fibromyalgia (FMS). You need to ask in advance on > >> the phone, or don’t even bother to go there! I have a great web site > >> in the meantime…are you interested? If so, here it is: > >> http://chronicfatigue.about.com/mbody.htm > >> This is the most informative site I’ve found. Tons of links. > >> Should I send the books???? > >> Love you sweetie!! > >> Deb > >> On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:42:29 -0800, "Placid Fury" <so…@nope.net> > >> wrote: > >> >Deb, > >> > I’ve suspected as much for a couple of years. I can dream and dream > >and > >> >dream, and never wake up rested. The last time I woke up and felt > >refreshed > >> >was after a four-hour nap I took about two years ago… I remember waking > >up > >> >and feeling sooo good. Only lasted for five or six hours, but I can’t > >knock > >> >the gift. Anyway, that time was the first instance of waking up rested in > >> >years. > >> > Oh, and yepper on the massive muscle/joint aches and pains for no > >> >reason… sometimes my muscles tire very quickly, but will be > >re-energized > >> >after a rest. Migraines. Strange temperature tolerances, body usually too > >> >warm. Exhausted. Sucks. > >> >Placid Fury > >> >Loon Atick <ds…@mn.rr.com> wrote in message > >> >news:cqusaugrv8o149kga2jpra8ieta0v4ej8d@4ax.com… > >> >> You can sleep for 14 hours, but if you aren’t going into the 4th stage > >> >> of sleep (Alpha sleep) (like Fibromyalgics), you are not truly > >> >> sleeping SOUNDLY. Thus, stress, illness, aching, and depression. > >> >> This is how we found my Fibromyalgia. Definitely related to trauma in > >> >> your life…happened to me after I lost my Dad. Also, PTSD. Needs > >> >> that evaluation as well. Does he always have aches and pains and flu > >> >> like symptoms? We need to talk about this one. I have LOTS of info. > >> >> if you are interested. > >> >> Hugs and love, Deb > >> >> On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:17:08 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >Placid thinks he’s schizoid. I think he’s ADD with bouts of major > >> >> >depression. He grew up in a family where he was the only "normal" one > >> >> >except for his mom who passed away a year ago. Can’t imagine losing > >my > >> >mom > >> >> >at 21…at all. He spent years taking care of her and always kept > >> >himself > >> >> >in isolation. He’s sick all the time now. Never has good sleep, even > >> >with > >> >> >14 hours of it. Do any of you in here have a good enough feel of him > >to > >> >> >provide a new perspective? This is probably stupid. > >> >> >Extremely frustrated. > >> >> >Ang
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Nope, I don’t need them…….don’t spend the money. Go to that web site, and I will send the books! ;-) Love, Deb On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:50:46 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->What would one say, when asking about a doctors prejudices concerning >CFS/FMS? >How about just posting the names of the books and we can check to see if >they’re at the library? If they’re not then, yes. That would be awsome. >Ooops….I’m sorry, honey. Was I speaking for you again? >Love, >Ang >Loon Atick <ds…@mn.rr.com> wrote in message >news:lr1tau4seuputjmkgmp811n0sspi88q8uv@4ax.com… >> OK, I have THREE books. Do you want me to send them? They are >> excellent books, some of the best. Seriously. Now, finding a doctor >> who doesn’t have his head up his ass when it comes to Chronic Fatigue >> Syndrome (CFS) and Fibromyalgia (FMS). You need to ask in advance on >> the phone, or don’t even bother to go there! I have a great web site >> in the meantime…are you interested? If so, here it is: >> http://chronicfatigue.about.com/mbody.htm >> This is the most informative site I’ve found. Tons of links. >> Should I send the books???? >> Love you sweetie!! >> Deb >> On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:42:29 -0800, "Placid Fury" <so…@nope.net> >> wrote: >> >Deb, >> > I’ve suspected as much for a couple of years. I can dream and dream >and >> >dream, and never wake up rested. The last time I woke up and felt >refreshed >> >was after a four-hour nap I took about two years ago… I remember waking >up >> >and feeling sooo good. Only lasted for five or six hours, but I can’t >knock >> >the gift. Anyway, that time was the first instance of waking up rested in >> >years. >> > Oh, and yepper on the massive muscle/joint aches and pains for no >> >reason… sometimes my muscles tire very quickly, but will be >re-energized >> >after a rest. Migraines. Strange temperature tolerances, body usually too >> >warm. Exhausted. Sucks. >> >Placid Fury >> >Loon Atick <ds…@mn.rr.com> wrote in message >> >news:cqusaugrv8o149kga2jpra8ieta0v4ej8d@4ax.com… >> >> You can sleep for 14 hours, but if you aren’t going into the 4th stage >> >> of sleep (Alpha sleep) (like Fibromyalgics), you are not truly >> >> sleeping SOUNDLY. Thus, stress, illness, aching, and depression. >> >> This is how we found my Fibromyalgia. Definitely related to trauma in >> >> your life…happened to me after I lost my Dad. Also, PTSD. Needs >> >> that evaluation as well. Does he always have aches and pains and flu >> >> like symptoms? We need to talk about this one. I have LOTS of info. >> >> if you are interested. >> >> Hugs and love, Deb >> >> On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:17:08 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> >Placid thinks he’s schizoid. I think he’s ADD with bouts of major >> >> >depression. He grew up in a family where he was the only "normal" one >> >> >except for his mom who passed away a year ago. Can’t imagine losing >my >> >mom >> >> >at 21…at all. He spent years taking care of her and always kept >> >himself >> >> >in isolation. He’s sick all the time now. Never has good sleep, even >> >with >> >> >14 hours of it. Do any of you in here have a good enough feel of him >to >> >> >provide a new perspective? This is probably stupid. >> >> >Extremely frustrated. >> >> >Ang
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Well he can have it, and STILL work a job, etc. Don’t worry, all will be good honey! Love you! Deb On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:46:52 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well, I have Fybro/CFS for sure but Placid? He can’t have it. He’s not >ALLOWED to have it. He’s got a family to support and a lot of roller >coasters to go on. He’s never been on one, ya know. Thanks Deb. You >confirmed my suspicion. Fuck. >Love, >Ang >Loon Atick <ds…@mn.rr.com> wrote in message >news:cqusaugrv8o149kga2jpra8ieta0v4ej8d@4ax.com… >> You can sleep for 14 hours, but if you aren’t going into the 4th stage >> of sleep (Alpha sleep) (like Fibromyalgics), you are not truly >> sleeping SOUNDLY. Thus, stress, illness, aching, and depression. >> This is how we found my Fibromyalgia. Definitely related to trauma in >> your life…happened to me after I lost my Dad. Also, PTSD. Needs >> that evaluation as well. Does he always have aches and pains and flu >> like symptoms? We need to talk about this one. I have LOTS of info. >> if you are interested. >> Hugs and love, Deb >> On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:17:08 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> >> wrote: >> >Placid thinks he’s schizoid. I think he’s ADD with bouts of major >> >depression. He grew up in a family where he was the only "normal" one >> >except for his mom who passed away a year ago. Can’t imagine losing my >mom >> >at 21…at all. He spent years taking care of her and always kept >himself >> >in isolation. He’s sick all the time now. Never has good sleep, even >with >> >14 hours of it. Do any of you in here have a good enough feel of him to >> >provide a new perspective? This is probably stupid. >> >Extremely frustrated. >> >Ang
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What would one say, when asking about a doctors prejudices concerning CFS/FMS? How about just posting the names of the books and we can check to see if they’re at the library? If they’re not then, yes. That would be awsome. Ooops….I’m sorry, honey. Was I speaking for you again? Love, Ang Loon Atick <ds…@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lr1tau4seuputjmkgmp811n0sspi88q8uv@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> OK, I have THREE books. Do you want me to send them? They are > excellent books, some of the best. Seriously. Now, finding a doctor > who doesn’t have his head up his ass when it comes to Chronic Fatigue > Syndrome (CFS) and Fibromyalgia (FMS). You need to ask in advance on > the phone, or don’t even bother to go there! I have a great web site > in the meantime…are you interested? If so, here it is: > http://chronicfatigue.about.com/mbody.htm > This is the most informative site I’ve found. Tons of links. > Should I send the books???? > Love you sweetie!! > Deb > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:42:29 -0800, "Placid Fury" <so…@nope.net> > wrote: > >Deb, > > I’ve suspected as much for a couple of years. I can dream and dream and > >dream, and never wake up rested. The last time I woke up and felt refreshed > >was after a four-hour nap I took about two years ago… I remember waking up > >and feeling sooo good. Only lasted for five or six hours, but I can’t knock > >the gift. Anyway, that time was the first instance of waking up rested in > >years. > > Oh, and yepper on the massive muscle/joint aches and pains for no > >reason… sometimes my muscles tire very quickly, but will be re-energized > >after a rest. Migraines. Strange temperature tolerances, body usually too > >warm. Exhausted. Sucks. > >Placid Fury > >Loon Atick <ds…@mn.rr.com> wrote in message > >news:cqusaugrv8o149kga2jpra8ieta0v4ej8d@4ax.com… > >> You can sleep for 14 hours, but if you aren’t going into the 4th stage > >> of sleep (Alpha sleep) (like Fibromyalgics), you are not truly > >> sleeping SOUNDLY. Thus, stress, illness, aching, and depression. > >> This is how we found my Fibromyalgia. Definitely related to trauma in > >> your life…happened to me after I lost my Dad. Also, PTSD. Needs > >> that evaluation as well. Does he always have aches and pains and flu > >> like symptoms? We need to talk about this one. I have LOTS of info. > >> if you are interested. > >> Hugs and love, Deb > >> On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:17:08 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> > >> wrote: > >> >Placid thinks he’s schizoid. I think he’s ADD with bouts of major > >> >depression. He grew up in a family where he was the only "normal" one > >> >except for his mom who passed away a year ago. Can’t imagine losing my > >mom > >> >at 21…at all. He spent years taking care of her and always kept > >himself > >> >in isolation. He’s sick all the time now. Never has good sleep, even > >with > >> >14 hours of it. Do any of you in here have a good enough feel of him to > >> >provide a new perspective? This is probably stupid. > >> >Extremely frustrated. > >> >Ang
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Well, I have Fybro/CFS for sure but Placid? He can’t have it. He’s not ALLOWED to have it. He’s got a family to support and a lot of roller coasters to go on. He’s never been on one, ya know. Thanks Deb. You confirmed my suspicion. Fuck. Love, Ang Loon Atick <ds…@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:cqusaugrv8o149kga2jpra8ieta0v4ej8d@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You can sleep for 14 hours, but if you aren’t going into the 4th stage > of sleep (Alpha sleep) (like Fibromyalgics), you are not truly > sleeping SOUNDLY. Thus, stress, illness, aching, and depression. > This is how we found my Fibromyalgia. Definitely related to trauma in > your life…happened to me after I lost my Dad. Also, PTSD. Needs > that evaluation as well. Does he always have aches and pains and flu > like symptoms? We need to talk about this one. I have LOTS of info. > if you are interested. > Hugs and love, Deb > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:17:08 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> > wrote: > >Placid thinks he’s schizoid. I think he’s ADD with bouts of major > >depression. He grew up in a family where he was the only "normal" one > >except for his mom who passed away a year ago. Can’t imagine losing my mom > >at 21…at all. He spent years taking care of her and always kept himself > >in isolation. He’s sick all the time now. Never has good sleep, even with > >14 hours of it. Do any of you in here have a good enough feel of him to > >provide a new perspective? This is probably stupid. > >Extremely frustrated. > >Ang
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What do you dream about? "Placid Fury" <so…@nope.net> wrote in message
news:uat1fbjkhb2rce@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Deb, > I’ve suspected as much for a couple of years. I can dream and dream and > dream, and never wake up rested. The last time I woke up and felt refreshed > was after a four-hour nap I took about two years ago… I remember waking up > and feeling sooo good. Only lasted for five or six hours, but I can’t knock > the gift. Anyway, that time was the first instance of waking up rested in > years. > Oh, and yepper on the massive muscle/joint aches and pains for no > reason… sometimes my muscles tire very quickly, but will be re-energized > after a rest. Migraines. Strange temperature tolerances, body usually too > warm. Exhausted. Sucks. > Placid Fury > Loon Atick <ds…@mn.rr.com> wrote in message > news:cqusaugrv8o149kga2jpra8ieta0v4ej8d@4ax.com… > > You can sleep for 14 hours, but if you aren’t going into the 4th stage > > of sleep (Alpha sleep) (like Fibromyalgics), you are not truly > > sleeping SOUNDLY. Thus, stress, illness, aching, and depression. > > This is how we found my Fibromyalgia. Definitely related to trauma in > > your life…happened to me after I lost my Dad. Also, PTSD. Needs > > that evaluation as well. Does he always have aches and pains and flu > > like symptoms? We need to talk about this one. I have LOTS of info. > > if you are interested. > > Hugs and love, Deb > > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:17:08 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> > > wrote: > > >Placid thinks he’s schizoid. I think he’s ADD with bouts of major > > >depression. He grew up in a family where he was the only "normal" one > > >except for his mom who passed away a year ago. Can’t imagine losing my > mom > > >at 21…at all. He spent years taking care of her and always kept > himself > > >in isolation. He’s sick all the time now. Never has good sleep, even > with > > >14 hours of it. Do any of you in here have a good enough feel of him to > > >provide a new perspective? This is probably stupid. > > >Extremely frustrated. > > >Ang
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OK, I have THREE books. Do you want me to send them? They are excellent books, some of the best. Seriously. Now, finding a doctor who doesn’t have his head up his ass when it comes to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) and Fibromyalgia (FMS). You need to ask in advance on the phone, or don’t even bother to go there! I have a great web site in the meantime…are you interested? If so, here it is: http://chronicfatigue.about.com/mbody.htm This is the most informative site I’ve found. Tons of links. Should I send the books???? Love you sweetie!! Deb On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:42:29 -0800, "Placid Fury" <so…@nope.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Deb, > I’ve suspected as much for a couple of years. I can dream and dream and >dream, and never wake up rested. The last time I woke up and felt refreshed >was after a four-hour nap I took about two years ago… I remember waking up >and feeling sooo good. Only lasted for five or six hours, but I can’t knock >the gift. Anyway, that time was the first instance of waking up rested in >years. > Oh, and yepper on the massive muscle/joint aches and pains for no >reason… sometimes my muscles tire very quickly, but will be re-energized >after a rest. Migraines. Strange temperature tolerances, body usually too >warm. Exhausted. Sucks. >Placid Fury >Loon Atick <ds…@mn.rr.com> wrote in message >news:cqusaugrv8o149kga2jpra8ieta0v4ej8d@4ax.com… >> You can sleep for 14 hours, but if you aren’t going into the 4th stage >> of sleep (Alpha sleep) (like Fibromyalgics), you are not truly >> sleeping SOUNDLY. Thus, stress, illness, aching, and depression. >> This is how we found my Fibromyalgia. Definitely related to trauma in >> your life…happened to me after I lost my Dad. Also, PTSD. Needs >> that evaluation as well. Does he always have aches and pains and flu >> like symptoms? We need to talk about this one. I have LOTS of info. >> if you are interested. >> Hugs and love, Deb >> On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:17:08 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> >> wrote: >> >Placid thinks he’s schizoid. I think he’s ADD with bouts of major >> >depression. He grew up in a family where he was the only "normal" one >> >except for his mom who passed away a year ago. Can’t imagine losing my >mom >> >at 21…at all. He spent years taking care of her and always kept >himself >> >in isolation. He’s sick all the time now. Never has good sleep, even >with >> >14 hours of it. Do any of you in here have a good enough feel of him to >> >provide a new perspective? This is probably stupid. >> >Extremely frustrated. >> >Ang
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Deb, I’ve suspected as much for a couple of years. I can dream and dream and dream, and never wake up rested. The last time I woke up and felt refreshed was after a four-hour nap I took about two years ago… I remember waking up and feeling sooo good. Only lasted for five or six hours, but I can’t knock the gift. Anyway, that time was the first instance of waking up rested in years. Oh, and yepper on the massive muscle/joint aches and pains for no reason… sometimes my muscles tire very quickly, but will be re-energized after a rest. Migraines. Strange temperature tolerances, body usually too warm. Exhausted. Sucks. Placid Fury Loon Atick <ds…@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:cqusaugrv8o149kga2jpra8ieta0v4ej8d@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You can sleep for 14 hours, but if you aren’t going into the 4th stage > of sleep (Alpha sleep) (like Fibromyalgics), you are not truly > sleeping SOUNDLY. Thus, stress, illness, aching, and depression. > This is how we found my Fibromyalgia. Definitely related to trauma in > your life…happened to me after I lost my Dad. Also, PTSD. Needs > that evaluation as well. Does he always have aches and pains and flu > like symptoms? We need to talk about this one. I have LOTS of info. > if you are interested. > Hugs and love, Deb > On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 16:17:08 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> > wrote: > >Placid thinks he’s schizoid. I think he’s ADD with bouts of major > >depression. He grew up in a family where he was the only "normal" one > >except for his mom who passed away a year ago. Can’t imagine losing my mom > >at 21…at all. He spent years taking care of her and always kept himself > >in isolation. He’s sick all the time now. Never has good sleep, even with > >14 hours of it. Do any of you in here have a good enough feel of him to > >provide a new perspective? This is probably stupid. > >Extremely frustrated. > >Ang
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When did he start becoming sick? Normally I would recomend grounding, but I think we can assume that is out for you two :> "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:a8lh0d$t365t$1@ID-138549.news.dfncis.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Placid thinks he’s schizoid. I think he’s ADD with bouts of major > depression. He grew up in a family where he was the only "normal" one > except for his mom who passed away a year ago. Can’t imagine losing my mom > at 21…at all. He spent years taking care of her and always kept himself > in isolation. He’s sick all the time now. Never has good sleep, even with > 14 hours of it. Do any of you in here have a good enough feel of him to > provide a new perspective? This is probably stupid. > Extremely frustrated. > Ang
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Placid thinks he’s schizoid. I think he’s ADD with bouts of major depression. He grew up in a family where he was the only "normal" one except for his mom who passed away a year ago. Can’t imagine losing my mom at 21…at all. He spent years taking care of her and always kept himself in isolation. He’s sick all the time now. Never has good sleep, even with 14 hours of it. Do any of you in here have a good enough feel of him to provide a new perspective? This is probably stupid. Extremely frustrated. Ang
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Just a guess: He is stressed from his new living arrangement and role in life, especially if he was accustomed to being alone ("isolation"). This can have an impact on the immune system. I remember when I first moved to a new area I became ill several times in rapid succession. It was a result of stress from the move, new environment, new job, etc… Once again, just a thought. "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net> wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Placid thinks he’s schizoid. I think he’s ADD with bouts of major > depression. He grew up in a family where he was the only "normal" one > except for his mom who passed away a year ago. Can’t imagine losing my mom > at 21…at all. He spent years taking care of her and always kept himself > in isolation. He’s sick all the time now. Never has good sleep, even with > 14 hours of it. Do any of you in here have a good enough feel of him to > provide a new perspective? This is probably stupid. > Extremely frustrated. > Ang
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