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snip So my Whiskery friend what say you to that? Many more stories in my life buy that is the earliest one. Well there is one more but latter on that. Hey I have been getting reacquainted with Guinness stout, cheers, toad This isn’t a Stout thread? (I think Beamish is better than Guinness).
No more mention of the golden or brown ambrosia. Certainly being the victim of severe bullying/abuse/violence at an early age (or any age) isn’t going to help someone who’s of a Depressive tendency to start with. (I had some nasty moments at the hands of blood-thirsty bullies when I was little. How about being tossed into a cattle-pen at the market and then being whacked with the paint-stick used to mark ’sold’ beasts?).
Yes that sounds like a good (bad one). Just to shoot the bull here (wow a pun), when I was in I think 2nd or 3rd grade a kid brought a bull whip to school. At lunch recess he whipped my pants off of me. (just one whip crack but he was good and hit my belt an down they went) I remember going to the play ground teacher crying and I remember she did not do anything. This is when I first began to not respect authority. The fight-or-flight response does cause problems when we can’t do either; I think ‘road-rage’ etc. may be the result, if someone can’t keep it bottled up any longer – which in itself does nasty things to blood-pressure and mood.
I have a double dose of blood pressure under control with bp meds. I have read of some research that indicates that conditions in the womb can have a profound effect; if the mother is stressed or anxious the baby can become over-sensitised to the ’stress’ hormones, leading to life-long Depression, Anxiety, and possibly some other stuff. This could explain some ‘cases’ anyway.
This is where I don’t know which came first the chicken or the egg. My mother has depression, my older brother has depression my other brother has ADD and my sister will get there in time. My dad died when I was very young and I still remember my mother and her despair. I tried to be the man in the family at age 3. Guess what, it is a load that wasn’t mine to begin with. Well, those are my thoughts 
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Thanks for the reply whiskers, for some reason today I need to poke at these things. toad
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip I guess this was inappropriate? Sure reads like I am manic but never have been. Was meant as a open dialog question to group. Sorry if I offended, toad I don’t think it was inappropriate, you didn’t offend. I still find it shocking that I managed to block a large part of my life out. I was talking to my ex therapist the other week and we were discussing my reactions when I remembered and the shock set me back for months. The thing is that even though I had blocked this stuff out it did have an influence over my life in respect to the choices I then went on to make. The mind is an amazing thing
I don’t know between old memories and the deaths of friends and loved ones and the very strange dreams I am now having I think my mind is more of a wound up top. I must find a web site for brain brakes! t
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snip I guess this was inappropriate? Sure reads like I am manic but never have been. Was meant as a open dialog question to group. Sorry if I offended, toad
I don’t think it was inappropriate, you didn’t offend. I still find it shocking that I managed to block a large part of my life out. I was talking to my ex therapist the other week and we were discussing my reactions when I remembered and the shock set me back for months. The thing is that even though I had blocked this stuff out it did have an influence over my life in respect to the choices I then went on to make. The mind is an amazing thing
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snip So my Whiskery friend what say you to that? Many more stories in my life buy that is the earliest one. Well there is one more but latter on that. Hey I have been getting reacquainted with Guinness stout, cheers, toad
This isn’t a Stout thread? (I think Beamish is better than Guinness). Certainly being the victim of severe bullying/abuse/violence at an early age (or any age) isn’t going to help someone who’s of a Depressive tendency to start with. (I had some nasty moments at the hands of blood-thirsty bullies when I was little. How about being tossed into a cattle-pen at the market and then being whacked with the paint-stick used to mark ’sold’ beasts?). The fight-or-flight response does cause problems when we can’t do either; I think ‘road-rage’ etc. may be the result, if someone can’t keep it bottled up any longer – which in itself does nasty things to blood-pressure and mood. I have read of some research that indicates that conditions in the womb can have a profound effect; if the mother is stressed or anxious the baby can become over-sensitised to the ’stress’ hormones, leading to life-long Depression, Anxiety, and possibly some other stuff. This could explain some ‘cases’ anyway. Well, those are my thoughts ) — — Whiskers
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Ok excuse my rambling, the real question for the group for today’s decisions is: Can you think of something that might be a locked up goodie (baddie)? SPOILER don’t go here if you think it will ruin your day!!!!
There’s loads of stuff locked up in my head, some of it came to the surface when I started therapy. I was so completely shocked that I had actually blocked it out that it took me ages to accept it.
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I guess this was inappropriate? Sure reads like I am manic but never have been. Was meant as a open dialog question to group. Sorry if I offended, toad
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Hey whiskers my man, you got me thinking on a subject that has been discussed here before but not reticently. One of the theories of depression is our fight or flight area of the brain. The theory is that past trauma or (I think) a huge terror maybe have triggered the flight or fight switch in us and the primitive mind can handle this but we as evolved folks can’t use it anymore and it hurts us more than helps us by keeping us stuck with old defense one being tucking away all emotion. PTSD has it’s roots here I think but I am not one of the ones in the know just something I have read and think is true. Shell shocked solderers are a example, when triggered (like going into a fist fight) the blood goes to the stomach and drains from the extremities, the brain gets adrenalin and the focus to *fight or flee* takes over. The bad part of all this is that the brain doesn’t put to bed perfectly the emotions IMHO, much more like a crock with a crack waiting to break and spill all. Ok excuse my rambling, the real question for the group for today’s decisions is: Can you think of something that might be a locked up goodie (baddie)? SPOILER don’t go here if you think it will ruin your day!!!! Ok my one for the day and there were many. When I was little I remember a neighbor kid that must be dead or in prison by now. This kid was whacked and I remember going over to play one day with him. The day in mention he had a hammer and a litter of kittens, the whole litter was dispatched with said hammer or by slinging by their tails into the corner of the house. I was about 4 at the time and the day was over when he said, "let’s play hid and seek". The part that comes up now is, I went and ran around the back side of their house and he snuck up on me from the backside and knocked me out with the hammer. When I came too I was bleeding pretty good and went home. I think my mom said, good lord! don’t play with him! Duh! So my Whiskery friend what say you to that? Many more stories in my life buy that is the earliest one. Well there is one more but latter on that. Hey I have been getting reacquainted with Guinness stout, cheers, toad
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snip Yes that sounds like a good (bad one). Just to shoot the bull here (wow a pun), when I was in I think 2nd or 3rd grade a kid brought a bull whip to school. At lunch recess he whipped my pants off of me. (just one whip crack but he was good and hit my belt an down they went) I remember going to the play ground teacher crying and I remember she did not do anything. This is when I first began to not respect authority.
Impressive skill – but a very childish way to show off. Must have been very scary. I found teachers were sometimes worse bullies than the kids. The fight-or-flight response does cause problems when we can’t do either; I think ‘road-rage’ etc. may be the result, if someone can’t keep it bottled up any longer – which in itself does nasty things to blood-pressure and mood. I have a double dose of blood pressure under control with bp meds.
Me too I have read of some research that indicates that conditions in the womb can have a profound effect; if the mother is stressed or anxious the baby can become over-sensitised to the ’stress’ hormones, leading to life-long Depression, Anxiety, and possibly some other stuff. This could explain some ‘cases’ anyway. This is where I don’t know which came first the chicken or the egg. My mother has depression, my older brother has depression my other brother has ADD and my sister will get there in time.
"Depression" etc does sometimes run in families – mine too, going back generations. Lots of creative, intelligent, people held back by melancholy or eccentricity. My dad died when I was very young and I still remember my mother and her despair. I tried to be the man in the family at age 3. Guess what, it is a load that wasn’t mine to begin with.
Very sad. Some kids do seem to assume responsibilities that are way beyond their ability; it can take a long time to accept that some things are not our fault. Well, those are my thoughts ) Thanks for the reply whiskers, for some reason today I need to poke at these things. toad
Sometimes it helps. — — Whiskers
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