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why go through the p*in? we have no choice. but i understand what you’re saying. no reason for unnecessary pain. 
but going thru the rest of the p*in is the meat of my thpy atm. *shrugs* sorry – am a bit rough around the edges today. i mean you no harm. i did a performance art piece a decade ago called "stop the silence: help the children". it was…immature, but showed great promise, one supposes. one of the few things in my life i ever put a lot of work into. i enjoyed it. sorry to hear abt your probs with k. from h. i’ll keep you in my thoughts. jt We can’t believe how accepting you all are of us…and how you said you were "listening"…because that is what we usually do for others… You see, when we saw that the therapy session was only 50 minutes long, and we needed more than the 2 times a week we were seeing the doc at the time…we started a support group for adult survivors of childhood
abusetrauma… This was the birth of our organization, "Listen to the Children…" Foundation. We have been running it ourselves now since we were diagnosed in 1988. Some of our professors found out about it in college, and asked if we would do a lecture…so we added that component. Now we lecture in Massachusetts and Connecticut at any college, university, or professional institution that requests us. So, you see, it’s nice, when somebody else listens to us for a change…and I look forward to being heard. And yes, we do have a
support system set up that is helping us through this hell…but most of them don’t know what it is like to be a multiple, but you guys do…We are honored to know you all. But we’d also like to share something with you…we are very high functioning, and very well grounded (lol most of the
time)…and a wealth of information…we are a former battered woman…and have reached a comfortable level of integration…pick…our…brain!!!!! Let us share our experience so that you don’t have to go through pain that you don’t have to…let us be your legs, when you cannot stand, your eyes when you cannot see… Give us a scenario, and if we have gone through
it, we will tell you – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what we did…if we don’t know, we will tell you, but if we have already conquered whatever you are struggling with, why go through the pain? It is so good to be here, Shelly, et al.
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We can’t believe how accepting you all are of us…and how you said you were "listening"…because that is what we usually do for others… You see, when we saw that the therapy session was only 50 minutes long, and we needed more than the 2 times a week we were seeing the doc at the time…we started a support group for adult survivors of childhood abusetrauma… This was the birth of our organization, "Listen to the Children…" Foundation. We have been running it ourselves now since we were diagnosed in 1988. Some of our professors found out about it in college, and asked if we would do a lecture…so we added that component. Now we lecture in Massachusetts and Connecticut at any college, university, or professional institution that requests us. So, you see, it’s nice, when somebody else listens to us for a change…and I look forward to being heard. And yes, we do have a support system set up that is helping us through this hell…but most of them don’t know what it is like to be a multiple, but you guys do…We are honored to know you all. But we’d also like to share something with you…we are very high functioning, and very well grounded (lol most of the time)…and a wealth of information…we are a former battered woman…and have reached a comfortable level of integration…pick…our…brain!!!!! Let us share our experience so that you don’t have to go through pain that you don’t have to…let us be your legs, when you cannot stand, your eyes when you cannot see… Give us a scenario, and if we have gone through it, we will tell you what we did…if we don’t know, we will tell you, but if we have already conquered whatever you are struggling with, why go through the pain? It is so good to be here, Shelly, et al.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – pick…our…brain!!!!! Let us share our experience so that you don’t have to go through pain that you don’t have to…let us be your legs, when you cannot stand, your eyes when you cannot see… Give us a scenario, and if we have gone through it, we will tell you what we did…if we don’t know, we will tell you, but if we have already conquered whatever you are struggling with, why go through the pain? It is so good to be here, Shelly, et al. spoilered and splatted for talk of possible med*cal ab*se… will try to stay vague. . . . . . . scenerio….. h*lp if can pleas3e…… into ag* 4, fl*shes, dr m*n (e), extreme fe*r now but in memory they were not scary but so bad the flashbacks that i cannot stand or hardly see and trying to tell t nearly puts body into heart fa*lure so it *seems* anyway and feel intensely dr*gged (u) trying to talk only happens with t, can tell hubby memories with ease. t is a complete d*ng*r zone for giving info of ANY amount from that time. any ideas.??? dayzie
i agree with Jill that there’s no reason to tell your T about stuff from then. is there some reason that you think you should tell your T? i don’t think it’s even necessary to tell your T that it’s difficult for you to talk about that, although if you can do that without causing deterioration it’s probably good to tell hir. (maybe writing a letter or having your SO tell your T would work, maybe not. just having my T know would be too much for me so i would never do that but i know it’s worked for some ppl.) if you can (directly or indirectly) tell your T, sie’ll know to avoid the troublesome topic, at least for now. in the mean time, you might want to work on grounding or similar skills to help with the anxiety. what helps calm you down or helps you feel better? are some of you good at dealing with anxiety or PTSD? maybe they could agree to take over whenever you feel anxious or start having flashbacks. as Nahanton suggested, sometimes meds help with PTSD or other anxiety, too. as i said, if you can tell your T or pdoc what makes you anxious, it’s probably good to do that. if you can’t, don’t sweat it. they don’t need to know what makes you anxious, just that certain unnamed things cause a lot of anxiety, flashbacks, whatever for you. good luck. i hope the PTSD sxes subside soon. e — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail:
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – pick…our…brain!!!!! Let us share our experience so that you don’t have to go through pain that you don’t have to…let us be your legs, when you cannot stand, your eyes when you cannot see… Give us a scenario, and if we have gone through it, we will tell you what we did…if we don’t know, we will tell you, but if we have already conquered whatever you are struggling with, why go through the pain? It is so good to be here, Shelly, et al. spoilered and splatted for talk of possible med*cal ab*se… will try to stay vague. . . . . . . scenerio….. h*lp if can pleas3e…… into ag* 4, fl*shes, dr m*n (e), extreme fe*r now but in memory they were not scary but so bad the flashbacks that i cannot stand or hardly see and trying to tell t nearly puts body into heart fa*lure so it *seems* anyway and feel intensely dr*gged (u) trying to talk only happens with t, can tell hubby memories with ease. t is a complete d*ng*r zone for giving info of ANY amount from that time. any ideas.??? dayzie
It is my understanding that while an axiety/panic attack _feels_ like something serious there is no actual physical danger to the body. If you can just ride out the physical sensations you will _not_ have a physical problem (of course I would want to make sure I didn’t really have an underlying physical problem before I believed this). I used to have a sensation that felt like heart fa*lure as well. I even had a person check while I was having that sensation and according to them my body exhibited signs of stress but nothing dangerous at that moment. Like my heart was racing but it wasn’t dangerous that it was doing so. What I did to get around this was to talk about stuff in tiny tiny baby steps. Tiny _tiny_ baby steps. One idea; tell hubby and have _him_ tell your t’pist (by phone or letter or whatever). Tell your t’pist in a story where you change information so it is as if you are writing fiction (let’s see…’there once was a girl named Jane’ Make it really really third person). Also my t’pist told me over and over that he didn’t need to know details. If I couldn’t tell him stuff that was ok. What he needed to know was how I was reacting to things and how it affected me. So just telling your t’pist that talking about the past gives you this reaction might be a good starting point. Rainbow Colors (Jill) — The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing we are becoming white light.
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pick…our…brain!!!!! Let us share our experience so that you don’t have to go through pain that you don’t have to…let us be your legs, when you cannot stand, your eyes when you cannot see… Give us a scenario, and if we have gone through it, we will tell you what we did…if we don’t know, we will tell you, but if we have already conquered whatever you are struggling with, why go through the pain? It is so good to be here, Shelly, et al.
spoilered and splatted for talk of possible med*cal ab*se… will try to stay vague. . . . . . . scenerio….. h*lp if can pleas3e…… into ag* 4, fl*shes, dr m*n (e), extreme fe*r now but in memory they were not scary but so bad the flashbacks that i cannot stand or hardly see and trying to tell t nearly puts body into heart fa*lure so it *seems* anyway and feel intensely dr*gged (u) trying to talk only happens with t, can tell hubby memories with ease. t is a complete d*ng*r zone for giving info of ANY amount from that time. any ideas.??? dayzie
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Jill, thank you for posting. I think the idea of talking to t as if speaking with t about a 3rd party might help someone inside. i will suggest it to the one(s) who’s locking him out. I could care less, in fact I _want_ him to know what "i’m" at least going through, i’m trying to tell him, but this unfamiliar/new one is more resistant than any other of us and it’s completely frustrating (and sc*ry) bc I need t to know what’s happening but she is, well, don’t want to tr*gg*r anyone. i know we will get through this too, just so intense that you wouldn’t believe. thank you for listening. Dayzie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – pick…our…brain!!!!! Let us share our experience so that you don’t have to go through pain that you don’t have to…let us be your legs, when you cannot stand, your eyes when you cannot see… Give us a scenario, and if we have gone through it, we will tell you what we did…if we don’t know, we will tell you, but if we have already conquered whatever you are struggling with, why go through the pain? It is so good to be here, Shelly, et al. spoilered and splatted for talk of possible med*cal ab*se… will try to stay vague. . . . . . . scenerio….. h*lp if can pleas3e…… into ag* 4, fl*shes, dr m*n (e), extreme fe*r now but in memory they were not scary but so bad the flashbacks that i cannot stand or hardly see and trying to tell t nearly puts body into heart fa*lure so it *seems* anyway and feel intensely dr*gged (u) trying to talk only happens with t, can tell hubby memories with ease. t is a complete d*ng*r zone for giving info of ANY amount from that time. any ideas.??? dayzie It is my understanding that while an axiety/panic attack _feels_ like something serious there is no actual physical danger to the body. If you can just ride out the physical sensations you will _not_ have a physical problem (of course I would want to make sure I didn’t really have an underlying physical problem before I believed this). I used to have a sensation that felt like heart fa*lure as well. I even had a person check while I was having that sensation and according to them my body exhibited signs of stress but nothing dangerous at that moment. Like my heart was racing but it wasn’t dangerous that it was doing so. What I did to get around this was to talk about stuff in tiny tiny baby steps. Tiny _tiny_ baby steps. One idea; tell hubby and have _him_ tell your t’pist (by phone or letter or whatever). Tell your t’pist in a story where you change information so it is as if you are writing fiction (let’s see…’there once was a girl named Jane’ Make it really really third person). Also my t’pist told me over and over that he didn’t need to know details. If I couldn’t tell him stuff that was ok. What he needed to know was how I was reacting to things and how it affected me. So just telling your t’pist that talking about the past gives you this reaction might be a good starting point. Rainbow Colors (Jill) — The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing we are becoming white light.
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*warm thoughts* it’s been my experience that new ones are only found when they, and the rest of you, are ready to be found (or to find). take heart, friend. i know, i know…that doesn’t make it any easier. just remember to breathe. i’ve even got blue doing that sometimes. and it helps! :) *more warm thoughts* jt
Jill, thank you for posting. I think the idea of talking to t as if speaking with t about a 3rd party might help someone inside. i will suggest it to the one(s) who’s locking him out. I could care less, in fact I _want_ him to know what "i’m" at least going through, i’m trying to tell him, but this unfamiliar/new one is more resistant than any other of us and it’s completely frustrating (and sc*ry) bc I need t to know what’s
happening but she is, well, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – don’t want to tr*gg*r anyone. i know we will get through this too, just so intense that you wouldn’t believe. thank you for listening. Dayzie pick…our…brain!!!!! Let us share our experience so that you don’t have to go through pain that you don’t have to…let us be your legs, when you cannot stand, your
eyes when you cannot see… Give us a scenario, and if we have gone through it, we will tell you what we did…if we don’t know, we will tell you, but if we have already conquered whatever you are struggling with, why go through the pain? It is so good to be here, Shelly, et al. spoilered and splatted for talk of possible med*cal
ab*se… will try to – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – stay vague. . . . . . . scenerio….. h*lp if can pleas3e…… into ag* 4,
fl*shes, dr m*n (e), extreme fe*r now but in memory they were not scary but
so bad the flashbacks that i cannot stand or hardly see and trying to tell t
nearly puts body into heart fa*lure so it *seems* anyway and feel intensely
dr*gged (u) trying to talk only happens with t, can tell hubby memories with
ease. t is a complete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – d*ng*r zone for giving info of ANY amount from that time. any ideas.??? dayzie It is my understanding that while an axiety/panic attack _feels_ like something serious there is no actual physical danger to the body. If you can just ride out the physical sensations you will _not_ have a physical problem (of course I would want to make sure I didn’t really have an underlying physical problem before I believed this). I used to have a sensation that felt like heart fa*lure as well. I even had a person check while I was having that sensation and according to them my body exhibited signs of stress but nothing dangerous at that moment. Like my heart was racing but it wasn’t dangerous that it was doing so. What I did to get around this was to talk about stuff in tiny tiny baby steps. Tiny _tiny_ baby steps. One idea; tell hubby and have _him_ tell your t’pist (by phone or letter or whatever). Tell your t’pist in a story where you change information so it is as if you are writing fiction (let’s see…’there once was a girl named Jane’ Make it really really third person). Also my t’pist told me over and over that he didn’t need to know details. If I couldn’t tell him stuff that was ok. What he needed to know was how I was reacting to things and how it affected me. So just telling your t’pist that talking about the past gives you this reaction might be a good starting point. Rainbow Colors (Jill) —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing we are becoming white light.
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*heee* jt
I am third person!? <GRIN I always wondered what I am. jane
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pick…our…brain!!!!! Let us share our experience so that you don’t have to go through pain that you don’t have to…let us be your legs, when you cannot stand, your
eyes when you cannot see… Give us a scenario, and if we have gone
through it, we will tell you what we did…if we don’t know, we will tell you, but if we have already conquered whatever you are struggling with, why go through the pain? It is so good to be here, Shelly, et al. spoilered and splatted for talk of possible med*cal
ab*se… will try to stay vague. . . . . . . scenerio….. h*lp if can pleas3e…… into ag* 4,
fl*shes, dr m*n (e), extreme fe*r now but in memory they were not scary but
so bad the flashbacks that i cannot stand or hardly see and trying to tell t
nearly puts body into heart fa*lure so it *seems* anyway and feel intensely
dr*gged (u) trying to talk only happens with t, can tell hubby memories with
ease. t is a complete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – d*ng*r zone for giving info of ANY amount from that time. any ideas.??? dayzie It is my understanding that while an axiety/panic attack _feels_ like something serious there is no actual physical danger to the body. If you can just ride out the physical sensations you will _not_ have a physical problem (of course I would want to make sure I didn’t really have an underlying physical problem before I believed this). I used to have a sensation that felt like heart fa*lure as well. I even had a person check while I was having that sensation and according to them my body exhibited signs of stress but nothing dangerous at that moment. Like my heart was racing but it wasn’t dangerous that it was doing so. What I did to get around this was to talk about stuff in tiny tiny baby steps. Tiny _tiny_ baby steps. One idea; tell hubby and have _him_ tell your t’pist (by phone or letter or whatever). Tell your t’pist in a story where you change information so it is as if you are writing fiction (let’s see…’there once was a girl named Jane’ Make it really really third person). Also my t’pist told me over and over that he didn’t need to know details. If I couldn’t tell him stuff that was ok. What he needed to know was how I was reacting to things and how it affected me. So just telling your t’pist that talking about the past gives you this reaction might be a good starting point. Rainbow Colors (Jill)
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I am third person!? <GRIN I always wondered what I am. jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – pick…our…brain!!!!! Let us share our experience so that you don’t have to go through pain that you don’t have to…let us be your legs, when you cannot stand, your eyes when you cannot see… Give us a scenario, and if we have gone through it, we will tell you what we did…if we don’t know, we will tell you, but if we have already conquered whatever you are struggling with, why go through the pain? It is so good to be here, Shelly, et al. spoilered and splatted for talk of possible med*cal ab*se… will try to stay vague. . . . . . . scenerio….. h*lp if can pleas3e…… into ag* 4, fl*shes, dr m*n (e), extreme fe*r now but in memory they were not scary but so bad the flashbacks that i cannot stand or hardly see and trying to tell t nearly puts body into heart fa*lure so it *seems* anyway and feel intensely dr*gged (u) trying to talk only happens with t, can tell hubby memories with ease. t is a complete d*ng*r zone for giving info of ANY amount from that time. any ideas.??? dayzie It is my understanding that while an axiety/panic attack _feels_ like something serious there is no actual physical danger to the body. If you can just ride out the physical sensations you will _not_ have a physical problem (of course I would want to make sure I didn’t really have an underlying physical problem before I believed this). I used to have a sensation that felt like heart fa*lure as well. I even had a person check while I was having that sensation and according to them my body exhibited signs of stress but nothing dangerous at that moment. Like my heart was racing but it wasn’t dangerous that it was doing so. What I did to get around this was to talk about stuff in tiny tiny baby steps. Tiny _tiny_ baby steps. One idea; tell hubby and have _him_ tell your t’pist (by phone or letter or whatever). Tell your t’pist in a story where you change information so it is as if you are writing fiction (let’s see…’there once was a girl named Jane’ Make it really really third person). Also my t’pist told me over and over that he didn’t need to know details. If I couldn’t tell him stuff that was ok. What he needed to know was how I was reacting to things and how it affected me. So just telling your t’pist that talking about the past gives you this reaction might be a good starting point. Rainbow Colors (Jill)
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I am third person!? <GRIN I always wondered what I am. jane
This is _so_ funny I _knew_ there was a ‘jane’ in this group but I couldn’t remember exactly who so I just used that name. Being dissy I have lots of trouble with names (including my SOs, my kids, etc:) so I tend to substitute names freely. I’ll just pick a name out of thin air. Well, for the longest time when I had a mental block for names I used ‘ralph’. It seemed like a good generic name Then I got a student _named_ Ralph and he thought it was SO funny that I was calling all the other kids his name I switched it to jose then *grin* Rainbow Colors (Jill) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – pick…our…brain!!!!! Let us share our experience so that you don’t have to go through pain that you don’t have to…let us be your legs, when you cannot stand, your eyes when you cannot see… Give us a scenario, and if we have gone through it, we will tell you what we did…if we don’t know, we will tell you, but if we have already conquered whatever you are struggling with, why go through the pain? It is so good to be here, Shelly, et al. spoilered and splatted for talk of possible med*cal ab*se… will try to stay vague. . . . . . . scenerio….. h*lp if can pleas3e…… into ag* 4, fl*shes, dr m*n (e), extreme fe*r now but in memory they were not scary but so bad the flashbacks that i cannot stand or hardly see and trying to tell t nearly puts body into heart fa*lure so it *seems* anyway and feel intensely dr*gged (u) trying to talk only happens with t, can tell hubby memories with ease. t is a complete d*ng*r zone for giving info of ANY amount from that time. any ideas.??? dayzie It is my understanding that while an axiety/panic attack _feels_ like something serious there is no actual physical danger to the body. If you can just ride out the physical sensations you will _not_ have a physical problem (of course I would want to make sure I didn’t really have an underlying physical problem before I believed this). I used to have a sensation that felt like heart fa*lure as well. I even had a person check while I was having that sensation and according to them my body exhibited signs of stress but nothing dangerous at that moment. Like my heart was racing but it wasn’t dangerous that it was doing so. What I did to get around this was to talk about stuff in tiny tiny baby steps. Tiny _tiny_ baby steps. One idea; tell hubby and have _him_ tell your t’pist (by phone or letter or whatever). Tell your t’pist in a story where you change information so it is as if you are writing fiction (let’s see…’there once was a girl named Jane’ Make it really really third person). Also my t’pist told me over and over that he didn’t need to know details. If I couldn’t tell him stuff that was ok. What he needed to know was how I was reacting to things and how it affected me. So just telling your t’pist that talking about the past gives you this reaction might be a good starting point. Rainbow Colors (Jill)
– The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing we are becoming white light.
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<i’m sensing a trend here…sorry… 
you could change it to *dyenths*!!! *heeeeee* jt (dyenths!!! 
) *everyone else puts their head down on the computer desk and laughs helplessly* d***, it feels good to laugh again… thanks.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am third person!? <GRIN I always wondered what I am. jane This is _so_ funny I _knew_ there was a ‘jane’ in this group but I couldn’t remember exactly who so I just used that name. Being dissy I have lots of trouble with names (including my SOs, my kids, etc:) so I tend to substitute names freely. I’ll just pick a name out of thin air. Well, for the longest time when I had a mental block for names I used ‘ralph’. It seemed like a good generic name Then I got a student _named_ Ralph and he thought it was SO funny that I was calling all the other kids his name I switched it to jose then *grin* Rainbow Colors (Jill)
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