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I have PTSD from childhood abuse, and since age 40, bipolar disorder. The docs want to see me as all bipolar all the time. I have incidents of intense anxiety (as well as a few pseudo seizures) then I become very self-hating and want to kill myself. I’ve read my records and they don’t think this is a serious possibility. Gee I hope they are right, but what if they aren’t? How can I get some good info on that, share it with my docs and have a sensible plan to deal with possible suicide. I’m pretty obviously not depressed although at times extremely anxious (which a lot of people kill themselves for because it feels so bad–at least I think that’s true). Thanks for any info you have. Take care.
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Hi Jane! > I have PTSD from childhood abuse, and since age 40, bipolar disorder. > The docs want to see me as all bipolar all the time. I have incidents > of intense anxiety (as well as a few pseudo seizures) then I become > very self-hating and want to kill myself. I’ve read my records and > they don’t think this is a serious possibility. > Gee I hope they are right, but what if they aren’t?
Why would you want to share a plan with your docs when they think that you don’t need one??? Don’t mind me, that’s just another stupid question from someone who seems to try to help others … too much. :/ I’m not certain that it is really possible to be suicidal without being depressed. But, in any case, the professionals think that we are not suicidal unless we tell them our plan, and how we intend to achieve this objective. Then, if they see our plan as workable, they incarcerate us ‘for our own good’. If the professionals believe tha there is no workable plan for suicide, then they do not have ‘to protect us from ourselves’. As I, personally, would not want to be locked up in a psych ward, I’d prefer that my records not give the professionals an excuse to lock me up for my own good. YMMV OTOH, if your plan for dealing with a possible suicide involves either contacting someone supportive whom you like, or telephoning the local suicide hot line, then that may be enough for you to feel you have some protection from ‘a long-term solution for a short-term problem’. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy
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Maybe I wasn’t clear. I’m talking about a suicide PREVENTION plan. It was developed in the distant past only about 10 years ago, when we had therapists. You would call and tell your therapist you were having suicidal ideas, then agree on a call back time, depending on how badly you were doing. For me just having the plan meant I usually didn’t have to use it. But when I did, it was a great reassurance and helped me stop the suicidal thoughts on my own. Since I think those thoughts were generated by guilt at what I witnessed as a child and was told I was responsible for, it makes sense to me this would work. If I have one of these "flashbacks" and am in the wrong place at the wrong time, I believe I will kill myself. In thinking about this, I’ve realized I’m not so frightened of killing myself (perhaps because of my age: 53). What is really frightening is being stuck in suicidal thoughts (which I have been several times). I would rather die than endure that! Best wishes to you. Jame – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"kipco" <ki…@cox.net> wrote in message <news:j8UF8.34635$eD2.683348@news2.east.cox.net>… > Hi Jane! > > I have PTSD from childhood abuse, and since age 40, bipolar disorder. > > The docs want to see me as all bipolar all the time. I have incidents > > of intense anxiety (as well as a few pseudo seizures) then I become > > very self-hating and want to kill myself. I’ve read my records and > > they don’t think this is a serious possibility. > > Gee I hope they are right, but what if they aren’t? > Why would you want to share a plan with your docs when they think that you > don’t need one??? Don’t mind me, that’s just another stupid question from > someone who seems to try to help others … too much. :/ > I’m not certain that it is really possible to be suicidal without being > depressed. But, in any case, the professionals think that we are not > suicidal unless we tell them our plan, and how we intend to achieve this > objective. Then, if they see our plan as workable, they incarcerate us ‘for > our own good’. If the professionals believe tha there is no workable plan > for suicide, then they do not have ‘to protect us from ourselves’. > As I, personally, would not want to be locked up in a psych ward, I’d prefer > that my records not give the professionals an excuse to lock me up for my > own good. YMMV > OTOH, if your plan for dealing with a possible suicide involves either > contacting someone supportive whom you like, or telephoning the local > suicide hot line, then that may be enough for you to feel you have some > protection from ‘a long-term solution for a short-term problem’. > Smile and there will be something to smile about! > Nancy
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"jane" <hotfishe…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:93c4120a.0205161121.1452517f@posting.google.com… > I have PTSD from childhood abuse, and since age 40, bipolar disorder. > The docs want to see me as all bipolar all the time. I have incidents > of intense anxiety (as well as a few pseudo seizures) then I become > very self-hating and want to kill myself. I’ve read my records and > they don’t think this is a serious possibility. > Gee I hope they are right, but what if they aren’t? How can I get > some good info on that, share it with my docs and have a sensible plan > to deal with possible suicide. I’m pretty obviously not depressed > although at times extremely anxious (which a lot of people kill > themselves for because it feels so bad–at least I think that’s true). > Thanks for any info you have. Take care.
There has been a major breakthrough in curing all forms of emotional and mental problems. You can bring yourself to full recovery in a few months with Redirecting Self Therapy. It is a self-therapy and is free. You can find out everything you need to know here: http://homepages.nyu.edu/~er26/ In addition, you will want to join the Yahoo groups forum to read about others who have been helped by this method. This group currently has about a thousand members. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/depression-cause-cure/ Principle number one that you need to understand. **suicide is repressed anger turned inwards** Redirecting Self Therapy will show you how to permanently release all of your anger. The author of this method was a neuroscientist who was herself mentally ill most of her life, until she brought herself to complete recovery with this method. You can read about her amazing recovery here: http://homepages.nyu.edu/~er26/schiz.html The absolutely amazing thing about this therapy, is that you will start to see improvement within a few days. Many people have seen depression lift within an hour of practicing this method. This is how you will know this method really works, and is not just another false hope. Kerry
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Kerry <ke…@noway.com> wrote … > Principle number one that you need to understand. > **suicide is repressed anger turned inwards**
I believe it’s *depression is suppressed and/or repressed anger turned inward*. Suicidal ideations / feelings are often a product of feeling powerless, anxiety and extreme frustration brought in part from the repression of hurt. Depression can be present yet not be felt by the person themself, extreme detachment and/or depersonalization-derealization may be present. PC
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Does PC stand for psyche Consult? Are you a doc? Thanks, John De
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Hello John De, I chose "PC" as a personal nick, and am now thinking it should probably be "PCM". I am definitely not giving any kind of professional consultation on the net. That would definitely be a very, very big no-no. PCM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does PC stand for psyche Consult? Are you a doc? Thanks, > John De
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Hi. Thank you for your replies. I think I could kill myself from sudden PTSD flashback. (I have intense panic attacks, followed by really intense desire to kill myself.) My shrinks are treating this lightly. I’m not sure what to do. Should I insist on taking this issue to a trauma specialist? Maybe it’s not a problem. Thanks for your help. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -hotfishe…@hotmail.com (jane) wrote in message <news:93c4120a.0205161121.1452517f@posting.google.com>… > I have PTSD from childhood abuse, and since age 40, bipolar disorder. > The docs want to see me as all bipolar all the time. I have incidents > of intense anxiety (as well as a few pseudo seizures) then I become > very self-hating and want to kill myself. I’ve read my records and > they don’t think this is a serious possibility. > Gee I hope they are right, but what if they aren’t? How can I get > some good info on that, share it with my docs and have a sensible plan > to deal with possible suicide. I’m pretty obviously not depressed > although at times extremely anxious (which a lot of people kill > themselves for because it feels so bad–at least I think that’s true). > Thanks for any info you have. Take care.
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Yes i think u should insist!! Helski
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Nothing has helped me more than the insight that *depression is anger turned against oneself*. The way I feel and think, suicide can be one of at least two things: An anger so huge, it makes you completely helpless and immobile, or a pain so great, that nothing and no-one can help you out of it. It’s my impression we often confuse the two, and I think 98% of the cases really are the first, though many of us think they are the second. In my experience, if it’s anger of any kind, even in the shape of depression, there’s always hope…*always*! If it’s sheer pain, as in terminal cancer, I would never dream of judging anyone who chose to die. It just so rarely is…so very rarely. Most of the time, it’s this massive pain of the soul, and our need to get away from it….and then, whether we believe it or not, there’s always, always hope. Hugs to anyone who wants them or need them, Lotte "PC" <psi….@nos.verizon.net> skrev i meddelandet news:bYdG8.1235$mN3.484@nwrddc02.gnilink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Kerry <ke…@noway.com> wrote … > > Principle number one that you need to understand. > > **suicide is repressed anger turned inwards** > I believe it’s *depression is suppressed and/or repressed > anger turned inward*. > Suicidal ideations / feelings are often a product of feeling > powerless, anxiety and extreme frustration brought in part > from the repression of hurt. Depression can be present > yet not be felt by the person themself, extreme detachment > and/or depersonalization-derealization may be present. > PC
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