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Great news Cary… thanks for your detailed reports. The dosage info is very valuable. I always have to start on a tiny dose and work my up. I’m busting to try it, but am trialling B12 shots at the moment and their effect and have to wait until that’s complete… early next year… sam On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:05:46 GMT, "Cary Charles" <c…@nospam.co.uk> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I forgot to mention that Rhodiola Rosea definitely seems to have reset my >sleep patterns to normal, after years of sleep problems where I couldn’t get >off until about 3 in the morning and felt groggy for ages on waking, even >through to midday and beyond. All that is gone, as if it never happened, and >so easily! Amazing. >When I read that it helps people by balancing and normalizing various >systems, including the hypothalamus, I knew I had to give it a go as the >sleep problem was a real hassle. Quite characteristic of PTSD too, from what >I hear, as the HPA (hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal) axis is affected – the >very axis that governs the sense of time and flow of chemicals to enable or >regulate sleep. >That is something that the SSRI anti-depressants never touched! >There is more dream activity too. I wondered if it was just coincidence at >first, but there really is something going on. I dreamed one of my favourite >songs last night, and loved it. Bizarre but true. It gave me the happy and >warm feeling I get when I hear it and was totally clear! I wonder if this >might help people with PTSD in the same way that EMDR (Eye Movement >Desensitization and Reprocessing) might do – in other words, by increasing / >altering REM activity. >Sometimes, as I go off to sleep, I have had that strange sensation, where it >is almost as if I am about to fall or something. The feeling where you >suddenly jump in your half-sleep and wake up again. But even so, I have to >say that it has not been with any fear or unpleasantness. >I am dropping my dosage from the one Solgar recommends on it’s bottle. 250mg >three times per day is a hell of a lot compared to studies. Yesterday I >dropped the amount to 500mg in total and this morning I am every bit as >fresh, maybe even slightly fresher. Studies used standardized extracts and >the levels seem to be about 50-100mg two or three times per day. Over 1000mg >per day makes people irritable. >A final word – I should clarify that my partner was trying to reduce dosage >of an anti-depressant this weekend. Obviously this increased pressure and I >had a much harder time, but even so, I have bounced back really well. I >don’t believe I could have done that before Rhodiola. The same kind of >circumstance has knocked me for days or weeks in the past. >All the best from one very happy ginea pig! >Cary ) >"Cary Charles" <c…@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message >news:E3yO7.21762$JK3.2239496@news1.cableinet.net… >> I thought I would continue sharing info about my trial of the herb >Rhodiola >> Rosea, following on from the Supplements For PTSD thread. >> Well, it is now 5 days exactly since I began taking Rhodiola Rosea – the >> Solgar brand. I have to say that it almost feels totally normal to me now. >> The initial sense of shock has worn off and now I am waking up each day >and >> EXPECTING to be able to get moving. Unheard of before rhodiola. It is >> remarkable after 22 years of being like a slug in the morning, hungover >> without having had any fun the night before! >> I can confirm that the anti-depressant effects are definitely constant. I >am >> amazed that this simple herb has instantly given me the lift that I waited >> weeks for with the likes of Prozac, Seroxat and Zoloft / Lustral. It >really >> is quite remarkable. I am more spontaneous. I have more sparkle. I seem to >> be lapsing into laughter and fun much more readily. Life feels better, and >I >> am not forcing it. It just bubbles up. >> This is not to say I am no longer having blue moments, but I think every >> normal human being does. Rather, I am saying that I feel part of me has >come >> alive again, a part that shut down as a result of systematic abuse and the >> final event which really set PTSD into motion. Like I said, I experienced >a >> similar upliftment with Seroxat and also Prozac, but with awful side >effects >> that appear to have been an allergic response. No such problems with >> Rhodiola Rosea. >> While I definitely believe that Rhodiola Rosea has a similar effect to >these >> anti-depressants, I must also point out that they are associated with >> bruxism (teeth clenching etc.). A relative of mine tried Rhodiola Rosea >and >> found that his jaw was tensing, so that could indicate a similar problem. >I >> have had bruxism ever since trying the SSRI anti-depressants. It comes and >> goes, but Rhodiola Rosea does not seem to have worsened it, so it will be >> interesting to see if anyone else reports this problem to any extent, or >if >> it was just a freak incident. >> My thinking processes are definitely clearer and particularly surprising >is >> the fact that I seem to be able to move about faster. I mean this in the >> sense that performing a task which involves a series of actions, I now >seem >> to be faster and with less tension. It is like my body is less weary, and >> there is less resistance. >> Also, the claims about Rhodiola Rosea enabling people to do more appear to >> be true, perhaps because of that drop in resistance. I used to get so >> overwhelmed, and while I am still aware of the feeling in the background, >it >> doesn’t seem to physicalize and block me from doing what I want to do. >Also, >> I am definitely recovering from exertion faster. Much more able to bounce >> back, and generally much more resilient. >> There have been triggers and they have still had an effect. The Rhodiola >> isn’t stopping that yet, I don’t think. But it may be cumulative. I >suspect >> it is. Also,  I feel that being triggered is less of a physically >traumatic >> process now. It seems to impact on my body less, and whereas I used to >feel >> hammered after a powerful triggering, I now feel able to settle very >easily. >> It is as though a calm is in me, and as though all the physical impact of >> traumas are sealed away so that they cannot reach as deeply into me to do >> their damage. >> The typical anti-depressant urges of suddenly wanting to sort things out, >> tidy up, redecorate, be creative etc., are all suddenly with me, where I >was >> really struggling to do these things before. I can still feel worn out, >but >> even if I am, my outlook is so much nicer. >> So basically, after 5 days use, I really think this stuff is the bee’s >knees >> and well worth a try if you have any of the problems I have. >> I think Solgar’s 250mg dose 1-3 times per day is probably too high as >> studies have worked at only 50 – 100mg per day, and significantly, when >> dosage has gone over 800mg, people have become irritable. >> OK, well that is all for now. Hope this is proving informative to any of >you >> wondering whether to try it or not. I have to say I really am impressed >with >> the effects so far, and will return again to share any changes. >> All the best to you all, >> Cary Charles.

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"screwloose" <sam.screwlo…@telstra.com> wrote in message

news:b18o0u8k9qq3hckognkdlt83v2rh3dl85c@4ax.com… > Great news Cary… thanks for your detailed reports. The dosage info > is very valuable. I always have to start on a tiny dose and work my > up.

Well, regarding dosage check the latest message – day 6. It has been a very interesting 24 hours! > I’m busting to try it, but am trialling B12 shots at the moment and > their effect and have to wait until that’s complete… early next > year… sam

Hmmm. I have wondered several times about B12 shots. I hope it helps. BFN, Cary )

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Hi Cary! Thank you for posting so much valuable information about Rhodiola Rosea, both the studies and your experiences. I’m going to give it a try, thanks for suggesting it. I’m glad it’s helping you so much, please keep us posted. Best, Hannah

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 I thought I would continue sharing info about my trial of the herb Rhodiola Rosea, following on from the Supplements For PTSD thread. Well, it is now 5 days exactly since I began taking Rhodiola Rosea – the Solgar brand. I have to say that it almost feels totally normal to me now. The initial sense of shock has worn off and now I am waking up each day and EXPECTING to be able to get moving. Unheard of before rhodiola. It is remarkable after 22 years of being like a slug in the morning, hungover without having had any fun the night before! I can confirm that the anti-depressant effects are definitely constant. I am amazed that this simple herb has instantly given me the lift that I waited weeks for with the likes of Prozac, Seroxat and Zoloft / Lustral. It really is quite remarkable. I am more spontaneous. I have more sparkle. I seem to be lapsing into laughter and fun much more readily. Life feels better, and I am not forcing it. It just bubbles up. This is not to say I am no longer having blue moments, but I think every normal human being does. Rather, I am saying that I feel part of me has come alive again, a part that shut down as a result of systematic abuse and the final event which really set PTSD into motion. Like I said, I experienced a similar upliftment with Seroxat and also Prozac, but with awful side effects that appear to have been an allergic response. No such problems with Rhodiola Rosea. While I definitely believe that Rhodiola Rosea has a similar effect to these anti-depressants, I must also point out that they are associated with bruxism (teeth clenching etc.). A relative of mine tried Rhodiola Rosea and found that his jaw was tensing, so that could indicate a similar problem. I have had bruxism ever since trying the SSRI anti-depressants. It comes and goes, but Rhodiola Rosea does not seem to have worsened it, so it will be interesting to see if anyone else reports this problem to any extent, or if it was just a freak incident. My thinking processes are definitely clearer and particularly surprising is the fact that I seem to be able to move about faster. I mean this in the sense that performing a task which involves a series of actions, I now seem to be faster and with less tension. It is like my body is less weary, and there is less resistance. Also, the claims about Rhodiola Rosea enabling people to do more appear to be true, perhaps because of that drop in resistance. I used to get so overwhelmed, and while I am still aware of the feeling in the background, it doesn’t seem to physicalize and block me from doing what I want to do. Also, I am definitely recovering from exertion faster. Much more able to bounce back, and generally much more resilient. There have been triggers and they have still had an effect. The Rhodiola isn’t stopping that yet, I don’t think. But it may be cumulative. I suspect it is. Also,  I feel that being triggered is less of a physically traumatic process now. It seems to impact on my body less, and whereas I used to feel hammered after a powerful triggering, I now feel able to settle very easily. It is as though a calm is in me, and as though all the physical impact of traumas are sealed away so that they cannot reach as deeply into me to do their damage. The typical anti-depressant urges of suddenly wanting to sort things out, tidy up, redecorate, be creative etc., are all suddenly with me, where I was really struggling to do these things before. I can still feel worn out, but even if I am, my outlook is so much nicer. So basically, after 5 days use, I really think this stuff is the bee’s knees and well worth a try if you have any of the problems I have. I think Solgar’s 250mg dose 1-3 times per day is probably too high as studies have worked at only 50 – 100mg per day, and significantly, when dosage has gone over 800mg, people have become irritable. OK, well that is all for now. Hope this is proving informative to any of you wondering whether to try it or not. I have to say I really am impressed with the effects so far, and will return again to share any changes. All the best to you all, Cary Charles.

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I forgot to mention that Rhodiola Rosea definitely seems to have reset my sleep patterns to normal, after years of sleep problems where I couldn’t get off until about 3 in the morning and felt groggy for ages on waking, even through to midday and beyond. All that is gone, as if it never happened, and so easily! Amazing. When I read that it helps people by balancing and normalizing various systems, including the hypothalamus, I knew I had to give it a go as the sleep problem was a real hassle. Quite characteristic of PTSD too, from what I hear, as the HPA (hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal) axis is affected – the very axis that governs the sense of time and flow of chemicals to enable or regulate sleep. That is something that the SSRI anti-depressants never touched! There is more dream activity too. I wondered if it was just coincidence at first, but there really is something going on. I dreamed one of my favourite songs last night, and loved it. Bizarre but true. It gave me the happy and warm feeling I get when I hear it and was totally clear! I wonder if this might help people with PTSD in the same way that EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) might do – in other words, by increasing / altering REM activity. Sometimes, as I go off to sleep, I have had that strange sensation, where it is almost as if I am about to fall or something. The feeling where you suddenly jump in your half-sleep and wake up again. But even so, I have to say that it has not been with any fear or unpleasantness. I am dropping my dosage from the one Solgar recommends on it’s bottle. 250mg three times per day is a hell of a lot compared to studies. Yesterday I dropped the amount to 500mg in total and this morning I am every bit as fresh, maybe even slightly fresher. Studies used standardized extracts and the levels seem to be about 50-100mg two or three times per day. Over 1000mg per day makes people irritable. A final word – I should clarify that my partner was trying to reduce dosage of an anti-depressant this weekend. Obviously this increased pressure and I had a much harder time, but even so, I have bounced back really well. I don’t believe I could have done that before Rhodiola. The same kind of circumstance has knocked me for days or weeks in the past. All the best from one very happy ginea pig! Cary ) "Cary Charles" <c…@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message

news:E3yO7.21762$JK3.2239496@news1.cableinet.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I thought I would continue sharing info about my trial of the herb Rhodiola > Rosea, following on from the Supplements For PTSD thread. > Well, it is now 5 days exactly since I began taking Rhodiola Rosea – the > Solgar brand. I have to say that it almost feels totally normal to me now. > The initial sense of shock has worn off and now I am waking up each day and > EXPECTING to be able to get moving. Unheard of before rhodiola. It is > remarkable after 22 years of being like a slug in the morning, hungover > without having had any fun the night before! > I can confirm that the anti-depressant effects are definitely constant. I am > amazed that this simple herb has instantly given me the lift that I waited > weeks for with the likes of Prozac, Seroxat and Zoloft / Lustral. It really > is quite remarkable. I am more spontaneous. I have more sparkle. I seem to > be lapsing into laughter and fun much more readily. Life feels better, and I > am not forcing it. It just bubbles up. > This is not to say I am no longer having blue moments, but I think every > normal human being does. Rather, I am saying that I feel part of me has come > alive again, a part that shut down as a result of systematic abuse and the > final event which really set PTSD into motion. Like I said, I experienced a > similar upliftment with Seroxat and also Prozac, but with awful side effects > that appear to have been an allergic response. No such problems with > Rhodiola Rosea. > While I definitely believe that Rhodiola Rosea has a similar effect to these > anti-depressants, I must also point out that they are associated with > bruxism (teeth clenching etc.). A relative of mine tried Rhodiola Rosea and > found that his jaw was tensing, so that could indicate a similar problem. I > have had bruxism ever since trying the SSRI anti-depressants. It comes and > goes, but Rhodiola Rosea does not seem to have worsened it, so it will be > interesting to see if anyone else reports this problem to any extent, or if > it was just a freak incident. > My thinking processes are definitely clearer and particularly surprising is > the fact that I seem to be able to move about faster. I mean this in the > sense that performing a task which involves a series of actions, I now seem > to be faster and with less tension. It is like my body is less weary, and > there is less resistance. > Also, the claims about Rhodiola Rosea enabling people to do more appear to > be true, perhaps because of that drop in resistance. I used to get so > overwhelmed, and while I am still aware of the feeling in the background, it > doesn’t seem to physicalize and block me from doing what I want to do. Also, > I am definitely recovering from exertion faster. Much more able to bounce > back, and generally much more resilient. > There have been triggers and they have still had an effect. The Rhodiola > isn’t stopping that yet, I don’t think. But it may be cumulative. I suspect > it is. Also,  I feel that being triggered is less of a physically traumatic > process now. It seems to impact on my body less, and whereas I used to feel > hammered after a powerful triggering, I now feel able to settle very easily. > It is as though a calm is in me, and as though all the physical impact of > traumas are sealed away so that they cannot reach as deeply into me to do > their damage. > The typical anti-depressant urges of suddenly wanting to sort things out, > tidy up, redecorate, be creative etc., are all suddenly with me, where I was > really struggling to do these things before. I can still feel worn out, but > even if I am, my outlook is so much nicer. > So basically, after 5 days use, I really think this stuff is the bee’s knees > and well worth a try if you have any of the problems I have. > I think Solgar’s 250mg dose 1-3 times per day is probably too high as > studies have worked at only 50 – 100mg per day, and significantly, when > dosage has gone over 800mg, people have become irritable. > OK, well that is all for now. Hope this is proving informative to any of you > wondering whether to try it or not. I have to say I really am impressed with > the effects so far, and will return again to share any changes. > All the best to you all, > Cary Charles.

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Thanks for posting your personal experience.  I might give the stuff a try! "Cary Charles" <c…@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message

news:KfHO7.24572$JK3.2572718@news1.cableinet.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I forgot to mention that Rhodiola Rosea definitely seems to have reset my > sleep patterns to normal, after years of sleep problems where I couldn’t get > off until about 3 in the morning and felt groggy for ages on waking, even > through to midday and beyond. All that is gone, as if it never happened, and > so easily! Amazing. > When I read that it helps people by balancing and normalizing various > systems, including the hypothalamus, I knew I had to give it a go as the > sleep problem was a real hassle. Quite characteristic of PTSD too, from what > I hear, as the HPA (hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal) axis is affected – the > very axis that governs the sense of time and flow of chemicals to enable or > regulate sleep. > That is something that the SSRI anti-depressants never touched! > There is more dream activity too. I wondered if it was just coincidence at > first, but there really is something going on. I dreamed one of my favourite > songs last night, and loved it. Bizarre but true. It gave me the happy and > warm feeling I get when I hear it and was totally clear! I wonder if this > might help people with PTSD in the same way that EMDR (Eye Movement > Desensitization and Reprocessing) might do – in other words, by increasing / > altering REM activity. > Sometimes, as I go off to sleep, I have had that strange sensation, where it > is almost as if I am about to fall or something. The feeling where you > suddenly jump in your half-sleep and wake up again. But even so, I have to > say that it has not been with any fear or unpleasantness. > I am dropping my dosage from the one Solgar recommends on it’s bottle. 250mg > three times per day is a hell of a lot compared to studies. Yesterday I > dropped the amount to 500mg in total and this morning I am every bit as > fresh, maybe even slightly fresher. Studies used standardized extracts and > the levels seem to be about 50-100mg two or three times per day. Over 1000mg > per day makes people irritable. > A final word – I should clarify that my partner was trying to reduce dosage > of an anti-depressant this weekend. Obviously this increased pressure and I > had a much harder time, but even so, I have bounced back really well. I > don’t believe I could have done that before Rhodiola. The same kind of > circumstance has knocked me for days or weeks in the past. > All the best from one very happy ginea pig! > Cary ) > "Cary Charles" <c…@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message > news:E3yO7.21762$JK3.2239496@news1.cableinet.net… > > I thought I would continue sharing info about my trial of the herb > Rhodiola > > Rosea, following on from the Supplements For PTSD thread. > > Well, it is now 5 days exactly since I began taking Rhodiola Rosea – the > > Solgar brand. I have to say that it almost feels totally normal to me now. > > The initial sense of shock has worn off and now I am waking up each day > and > > EXPECTING to be able to get moving. Unheard of before rhodiola. It is > > remarkable after 22 years of being like a slug in the morning, hungover > > without having had any fun the night before! > > I can confirm that the anti-depressant effects are definitely constant. I > am > > amazed that this simple herb has instantly given me the lift that I waited > > weeks for with the likes of Prozac, Seroxat and Zoloft / Lustral. It > really > > is quite remarkable. I am more spontaneous. I have more sparkle. I seem to > > be lapsing into laughter and fun much more readily. Life feels better, and > I > > am not forcing it. It just bubbles up. > > This is not to say I am no longer having blue moments, but I think every > > normal human being does. Rather, I am saying that I feel part of me has > come > > alive again, a part that shut down as a result of systematic abuse and the > > final event which really set PTSD into motion. Like I said, I experienced > a > > similar upliftment with Seroxat and also Prozac, but with awful side > effects > > that appear to have been an allergic response. No such problems with > > Rhodiola Rosea. > > While I definitely believe that Rhodiola Rosea has a similar effect to > these > > anti-depressants, I must also point out that they are associated with > > bruxism (teeth clenching etc.). A relative of mine tried Rhodiola Rosea > and > > found that his jaw was tensing, so that could indicate a similar problem. > I > > have had bruxism ever since trying the SSRI anti-depressants. It comes and > > goes, but Rhodiola Rosea does not seem to have worsened it, so it will be > > interesting to see if anyone else reports this problem to any extent, or > if > > it was just a freak incident. > > My thinking processes are definitely clearer and particularly surprising > is > > the fact that I seem to be able to move about faster. I mean this in the > > sense that performing a task which involves a series of actions, I now > seem > > to be faster and with less tension. It is like my body is less weary, and > > there is less resistance. > > Also, the claims about Rhodiola Rosea enabling people to do more appear to > > be true, perhaps because of that drop in resistance. I used to get so > > overwhelmed, and while I am still aware of the feeling in the background, > it > > doesn’t seem to physicalize and block me from doing what I want to do. > Also, > > I am definitely recovering from exertion faster. Much more able to bounce > > back, and generally much more resilient. > > There have been triggers and they have still had an effect. The Rhodiola > > isn’t stopping that yet, I don’t think. But it may be cumulative. I > suspect > > it is. Also,  I feel that being triggered is less of a physically > traumatic > > process now. It seems to impact on my body less, and whereas I used to > feel > > hammered after a powerful triggering, I now feel able to settle very > easily. > > It is as though a calm is in me, and as though all the physical impact of > > traumas are sealed away so that they cannot reach as deeply into me to do > > their damage. > > The typical anti-depressant urges of suddenly wanting to sort things out, > > tidy up, redecorate, be creative etc., are all suddenly with me, where I > was > > really struggling to do these things before. I can still feel worn out, > but > > even if I am, my outlook is so much nicer. > > So basically, after 5 days use, I really think this stuff is the bee’s > knees > > and well worth a try if you have any of the problems I have. > > I think Solgar’s 250mg dose 1-3 times per day is probably too high as > > studies have worked at only 50 – 100mg per day, and significantly, when > > dosage has gone over 800mg, people have become irritable. > > OK, well that is all for now. Hope this is proving informative to any of > you > > wondering whether to try it or not. I have to say I really am impressed > with > > the effects so far, and will return again to share any changes. > > All the best to you all, > > Cary Charles.

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