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In article <20000828020606.17861.00000…@ng-ce1.aol.com>, goony…@aol.com (Bee) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >From: iris…@my-deja.com > >Hi. I have PTSD. Diagnosed in 1990, but I have had it since childhood. i > >have the nightmares at night, but if i don’t getenough sleep i end up having > >to nap in the day–late afternoon. Well, I get these scary "dreams’ when this > >happens where it feels like I am not fully asleep. I can’t move! I’m > >parylized! Then I feel like someone is touching me–usually a man– in > >unwanted ways. It feels VERY REAL! As if it is REALLY hapening in 3D > life > >(not like a movie). Also (and I NEVER have this happen when I am fully awake) > >during these episodes, I hear people’s voices talking to me, in my sleep. > >Different stuff. My T says it’s from the PTSD. He called it "Hallucinatory > >Dreams". He’s an expert on PTSD. It is different than my awake flashbacks > >and the PTSD nightmares I get at night, though. I DON’T want it! Last time > >it was my very abusive mother (who died in 1983!) in the "Daytime > >nightmares".She tried to hurt me again and she said! Of course it wasn’t > >REALLY her, but it sure FELT VERY REAL! Can a PTSD sufferer get nightmares > >during daytime naps? Has anyone here experienced this? Please answer this > >post. THANKS, Iris > OMG yes I used to have nightmares at night, but the worst ones were when I > napped during the day. My whole body would tingle like when your foot goes to > sleep, and I was paralyzed, unable to move. I knew I was asleep, but it was > like I was not all the way asleep, but I couldn’t wake up either. I think I’ve > heard this referred to as ’sleep paralysis’, and I don’t know if it’s common to > anyone, or if it’s part of PTSD, or what. I don’t know or understand anything > about it, but I sure did experience it, and it was AWFUL. > During these day-time nap dreams, though, I never heard voices or felt anyone > touch me. That only happened in my nightmares and in flashbacks when I was > fully awake. In the day-time nap dreams, I just felt really heavy and tingly, > and paralyzed. > If anyone else has any insight or information about this, please post…I’m > interested to know more. > Bee
Hi Bee and Iris, While I don’t have much additional insight or information at this time I want to respond. This is the first time that I have seen this connection mentioned. I was diagnosed with ptsd only a short time after the onset of aware sleep paralysis. At the time I connected it with severe nightmares I was then having and which lessened greatly after I learned lucid dreaming. That helped me to take control in the nightmare and overcome the fear. I too have mostly experienced sleep paralysis during daytime naps and especially, I think, when sleeping on my back. Lately I have not been sleeping in the daytime and it occasionally occurs at night. The last time I had it I remembered to try to move and did in fact manage to awaken by "jumping" out of the grip of whatever it was. While I have not experienced anything like the nightmarish experiences mentioned above during paralysis, in itself it is a frightful thing and is always accompanied by deep dread. The only time I felt a touch (other than the recent one of being clutched) was when I silently called for help (trying to mentally contact someone in the next room, a child, to come in and awaken me — which didn’t work) — I did feel someone gently touch my face with two hands in a most comforting way — someone who I knew was nobody who was in the house with me) — and this calmed me until I fell asleep and later awoke normally. I have always longed to know who that being was. — Stargazer Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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news:UP6w5.6131$Lh2.1713931@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… > Margaret, > Snip< > I did buy something for my girls to use in their apartments that > would be great for those who can’t have a dog. It is a personal alarm. It > has a battery inside and when the pin is pulled that
ear-splitting tone goes > off. It has a cord and attachment to it though, you hang it on any doorknob > and fit the attachment into the space where the door
closes, it’s just two > little pieces of metal that as long as they are touching, together, it’s > silent, but if anybody moves the door at all and they fall out the alarm > sounds. It’s really ear-piercing, louder and higher than a smoke detector. > I tried it and it really works. You can put it on outside doors, bedroom > doors, hotel room doors, etc
ms mercury Another great idea! margaret
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Hi Lea! > And for those of you who can’t have animals-well dogs anyway. my landlord > would not tolerate it so last christmas i found two wreaths made entirely of > bells. i put one on my front door and one on my bedroom door. either door > moves at all-i’m awake. my beeper sounds like a bell so i automatically wake > up to that. has helped me get through some tough nights.
This is not restricted to those without dogs. My household currently contains one dog, 3 cats, 6 fish etc. The dog wants everyone to give her a pat or a treat. :/ My ex used to try to sneak into the house, in the hopes of finding me eating bonbons and watching TV, or whatever. In one of the discount stores I found a triangle of 15 or so bells in a brass web thingy (made in India). The bell thingy slaps against the door no matter what one does to try to silence it. It’s up in the middle of the door with a cup hook. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy
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Hi John, Sorry for not replying sooner. My regular newsreader has decided that it doesn’t like me anymore, so I’ve subscribed to deja instead. Have set it up to send me messages daily. Yep, it does… about one week late. I just keep the sleeping meds for the extreme situations, when I really need to knock myself out. I don’t like it when I have nightmares when I’ve taken the sleep meds, since it takes me longer to wake up and clear my brain. Also I have learnt that it does not help to ‘pinch’ yourself to see if you are awake. As a child I used to dream that I was in the bathroom doing… hrmm… Would wake up a few seconds ‘to late’, just to find out that I in fact was still in my bed. Made a habit of pinching my arm when I was in the bathroom just to ‘make sure’ that I was awake, and in the ‘right place’. Quit that habit when I started doing it in my dreams. Didn’t wake up until it was too late. Had a bruise after the pinching, but that wasn’t what woke me up. *sigh* I think I’ve always been able to bring my dream with me when I wake up. Seeing the characters I’ve dreamt about in my own familiar surroundings, can be quite terrifying some times. Spend many nights sleeping on the couch after waking up from a nightmare. But first having to lock my bedroom door to keep ‘what ever’ inside. Had a terrible time while I was in the hospital after my first operation. They had filled me up with morphine to kill the pain. Had a hard time trying to handle the ‘brain spooks’ that the morphine let thru, both during the night and the day. Hell, I’m weird without that stuff! Had everyone that had previously died in that hospital following me around, or standing beside my bed just staring at me. As if they had finally found someone that was still in the realm of the living, that could actually see them. If anyone has seen the movie ‘Night of the living dead’?? That would give you a pretty good visual of what some of them looked like. Sleeping was out of the question, felt as if I could handle them as long as I was awake, but would loose control, and they would take me with them if I went to sleep. Took 3 days before the morphine was out of my system and I once again was ‘alone’. Have never had anything stronger than regular strength painkillers after an operation since then. To scared of what comes thru… Take care Kitty In article <20000911095158.00840.00000…@ng-fc1.aol.com>, jboloidega…@aol.com (JBOLOIDEGARAY) wrote: > Kitty, I do not have dreams of that sort but I sure as hell enjoyed reading the > way you wrote. By the by, if the sleep meds don’t work why take them? I would > go see the doc"s and tell them. Take Care, John De
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Hi Ann, When I was younger I was terrified of the dark. I always made sure that I could reach the light switch from my bed without having to get out of it. I would never open my eyes in the dark because I was afraid of what I could/would see. I would never put my feet on the floor before the light was on, and I could see what I would step on. I still have a hard time sleeping with some part of my body outside of the bed. Like my arm dangling from the side of the bed, or foot etc. I have a strange ritual before I can go to sleep. I have to tuck every part of my blanket/quilt around me, even up around my ears, so just my nose is free. There’s no way I will ever sit in a boat or on a pier dangling my feet in the water. I have now figured out what has caused this behavior, but still can’t shake off the habit. I spent my first 4 years living out in the swamps of Florida. I guess I’ve got a ‘healthy’ respect of swamp creatures that want to take a bite out of me… Made the mistake once of looking out into the darkness of a room. I think I was about 5 years old. I called out asking my a-mom if she could turn the light on in the bathroom since I needed to go… But she had taken ill some time during the night, and had a lady friend of hers that was watching over her. The lady told me to ‘grow up’ and turn the light on by myself. This pissed me off so bad that I ran to the bathroom, and instead of doing what I use to do, and just stick my arm in and turn the light on, I flung the door wide open and of course there was a man sitting on the side of the bathtub just waiting for me. He stuck his arm out and just pointed his finger at me. Didn’t make it to the toilet. Got a spanking for wetting the floor, since I of course did that just to be disobedient. Oh well… Take care Kitty In article <39bd4636.12928…@news.cis.dfn.de>, just_me_00…@hotmail.com (Ann) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Kitty, thanks for this. I’m so glad I wrote and so glad that > others know what I’m talking about. I’ve always had these weird > waking dream state things and never realised that it might be due to > PTSD. I’ve only had that diagnosis for a while but I guess I’ve > really had it since I was small, although it’s got worse just > recently. When I was younger I used to get out of bed a lot and try > to find the light switch. It would take me ages as it was pitch black > and I’d work my way around the walls feeling for things I’d recognise. > When I eventually found the switch, I’d turn it on and completely wake > up immediately and just go back to bed. I sleep with a light on now > so that doesn’t happen. > Not so long ago I dreamt that a little girl was holding me down, > almost suffocating me. I woke up and could see her. I saw that it > was me when I was a small child. It was really horrible and weird. > It took me ages to calm myself down after that. > Ann
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helski, we seem to be on the same wavelength.. i have to sleep with the lights on, too, sometimes all the lights. i have to say this has gotten better since my father died a few years ago, but i still do it. and i also have dreams of people just walking into my apt. and standing around. they don’t talk much. they are very threatening, though. sometimes, although they don’t look like my father and stepmother or any of their friends, i know they are. it’s like the masks are still on, but they are people masks. i get so scared i am afraid to move, like i did when i was a small child. even though i am fully grown in the dream, in fact my age now (50’s), i am a child inside. they eat my food, make decisions about my furniture, just take over. i hate my memory, too. i am always waking up screaming. used to scrabble into the closet or across the room, like a terrified little animal, and wake up there. sigh. carole helski <hel…@idl.net.au> wrote in message
news:968832745.284094@ns.idl.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Folks, > Thanks for sharing your recurring dreams. > Another one of mine( I have so many) is where people come into my bedroom or > they are walking around the house.I ask them how they got in this time.They > are hanging around and they sit on my bed or stand near the bed.Sometimes it > is a couple of women but mostly men.I become furious and have the same old > feeling of helplessness.Like there is never going to be a time where I am > free of these so-called visitors.The message is I cannot keep them out and I > would be stupid to think otherwise. > Turning the light on is the only way to stop it.I have over the past 20 > years, many days a week, had to sleep with the light on so I can get a few > hours of unbroken sleep.I have since read that light is good therapy for > sleep in that activates the correct chemicals.If the light does not help I > need to take a small amount of valium.Palpitations and anxiety and > adrenaline are my companions at night. > I do a lot of screaming at night and scream abuse at the intruders.I jump > out of bed often and run on my hands and knees as I do not sleep with my > below knee prosthesis on.This was not much fun when I was married for my > partner.Always waking dreams that are very intense and unforgettable.I hate > my memory sometimes. > Helski
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And for those of you who can’t have animals-well dogs anyway. my landlord would not tolerate it so last christmas i found two wreaths made entirely of bells. i put one on my front door and one on my bedroom door. either door moves at all-i’m awake. my beeper sounds like a bell so i automatically wake up to that. has helped me get through some tough nights.
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Lea15 <le…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000913210125.02803.00001572@ng-fk1.aol.com… > And for those of you who can’t have animals-well dogs
anyway. my landlord > would not tolerate it so last christmas i found two
wreaths made entirely of > bells. i put one on my front door and one on my bedroom door. either door > moves at all-i’m awake. my beeper sounds like a bell so i automatically wake > up to that. has helped me get through some tough nights.
What a great idea! Margaret
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Margaret, You’re right about the dogs. There’s nothing safer than having a dog in the house. I used to be terrified to stay alone at night when my husband take’s business trips, but since I have my dog I know she would bark if anything was there, so I’m able to at least sleep some. I used to be up all night before. I did buy something for my girls to use in their apartments that would be great for those who can’t have a dog. It is a personal alarm. It has a battery inside and when the pin is pulled that ear-splitting tone goes off. It has a cord and attachment to it though, you hang it on any doorknob and fit the attachment into the space where the door closes, it’s just two little pieces of metal that as long as they are touching, together, it’s silent, but if anybody moves the door at all and they fall out the alarm sounds. It’s really ear-piercing, louder and higher than a smoke detector. I tried it and it really works. You can put it on outside doors, bedroom doors, hotel room doors, etc. So anyway, that’s my suggestion if you can’t have a dog. But as you said, there’s is nothing better than snuggling up with my dog in bed beside me snoring peacefully. You can just reach out and stroke her belly, it’s so soothing, there’s nothing that brings me more peace than having her near me. She’s also great if anyone has to come into your house to work, say the phone man, cable man, etc. Once they see my dog, they do their work and leave as soon as possible! msmercury "margaret szedenits" <mszeden…@mediaone.net> wrote in message
news:RoRv5.30819$_e4.1416107@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> carole <wannada…@mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:8pnvh8$922$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net… > > helski, we seem to be on the same wavelength.. > > i have to sleep with the lights on, too, sometimes all the > lights. i have to > > say this has gotten better since my father died a few > years ago, but i still > > do it. > > and i also have dreams of people just walking into my apt. > and standing > > around. they don’t talk much. they are very threatening, > though. > <snip> for context > Carole, > Your post just reminded be that I used to feel there were > people around too, years ago. Ever since I have been living > with dogs in the house, I stopped feeling that because if > there were people there the dogs would bark. Don’t know if > this would work for anyone else, but it helped me. Besides, > snuggling dogs in bed is very relaxing and safe feeling. > Margaret
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helski, i have that same dream where there are people living in my house and i keep finding evidence of them, but not the people, who hide from me. i will find pillows with dents where heads have rested, toothpaste gone, evidence that there are also children there. i feel guilty, too, like i wish i could convince them to come out and let me at least make them all a sandwich and get acquainted. these dreams terrify me, though, because the furniture gets moved around, sometimes is gone and replaced with ugly dirty herculon furniture in loud plaids and old ragged throw pillows placed on the beds with painfully careful considerate care, it makes me cry. it’s my apt. but not my furniture and someone is trying to take care of me with a great deal of love and care but with old smelly things taken out of the trash. i dream in color and with musical scores in the background and when i awaken i feel confused. who are these people? where is my ’stuff’? my own possessions are not great or expensive but they are mine. i think the part that kills me is the occasional careful decorating touch, even with these horrible relics. it makes me cry. like any love is better than the parental love i did not have and the other loves i do not have now. holding forth at too much length. i also dream of being lost in buildings or airports or houses or my own neighborhood and unable to find my way to anything familiar. then again, sometimes i dream things like a bunch of ducks flying bravely along with the music in the background that says ‘ducks in the wind; all we are is ducks in the wind.’ i wake up laughing from those, wish there were more. goes without saying that the ptsd nightmares don’t count as unusual. they are always there. quack, carole helski <hel…@idl.net.au> wrote in message
news:968655499.255156@ns.idl.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Kitty, > This is the first time I have heard of anyone else having those—- > exact—— waking dreams and the theme of having something to do and not > knowing exactly what it is. > Some of my running themes are to do with appointments or specific dates and > arrangements with people I do not know and i do not keep them b/c I have not > been told about them( in the nightmares that is) and then I am reprimanded > and made to feel totally irresponsible.I feel worthless and castigate > myself even tho I know it is a dream but I have difficulty getting out of > it. > Another is the hands and being touched or annoyed by someone pushing or > punching tthe mattress,voices telling me negative things about myself inside > the house and outside the house……..all with my eyes open. > The other very frustrating one I have when I am particularly stressed in my > waking life is where people are living under my house secretly but with not > much food or bedding or comfort.People in the neighbourhood tell me about it > and then I feel guilty that I am living in comfort and that I have not or > cannot help them( even tho I do not really know they are there).Or the > variation is that they come in and use everything and move things and have > their own keys or secret passage ways into my bedroom and invade my life > and call me stupid for not noticing changes they make to my bedroom .Privacy > is completely taken.They hear and see everthing and make it a point. > These are the very mild dreams……………….others involving knives > ,shards of glass,guns etc etc etc are too terrible to describe here. > Take care Helski
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Carole, Omg………… >"..holding forth at too much length. >i also dream of being lost in buildings or airports or houses or my own >neighborhood and unable to find my way to anything familiar."
This is very spooky! The buildings or houses or neighbourhoods one is a very frightening and sad one for me. I find this fascinating…………………I always thought my nightmares were personal to me and my mental and emotional makeup. I am just gobsmacked….really!!!!! It seems the chemical changes that occur in the brain with ptsd can precipitate brain activity at night, especially, the dreams that have the most deep rooted haunting effects. My next appoinment with the shrink will be with copies of these posts. Thankyou for being so open and sharing this. Helski
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helski, i am so glad this awful stuff in my head can help *someone*. maybe we should start a thread on recurring dreams? see if there is a common theme? carole
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> Hannah wrote: > I have a recurring dream on a similar theme – being lost in a dark, > haunted-type house (the houses vary in their appearance), can’t find anyone > I need to get to, being stalked while I’m trying to get to someone who can > help me, and I usually end up being caught by the "bad
guys" and the graphic > stuff starts happening.
Hello, I’m new here and am not sure if top posting is allowed but will bottom post for now. My recurring dream is being stuck back with my ex-husband and not being able to get away from him. It can be very vivid and I wake up thinking its real and am very scared and upset. Margaret
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carole <wannada…@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:8pnvh8$922$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net… > helski, we seem to be on the same wavelength.. > i have to sleep with the lights on, too, sometimes all the lights. i have to > say this has gotten better since my father died a few
years ago, but i still > do it. > and i also have dreams of people just walking into my apt. and standing > around. they don’t talk much. they are very threatening,
though. <snip> for context Carole, Your post just reminded be that I used to feel there were people around too, years ago. Ever since I have been living with dogs in the house, I stopped feeling that because if there were people there the dogs would bark. Don’t know if this would work for anyone else, but it helped me. Besides, snuggling dogs in bed is very relaxing and safe feeling. Margaret
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"Crafty Bernardo" <craftyberna…@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ig0trskvo645rhe16p778o6ignh89cpr3n@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:27:05 GMT, "margaret szedenits" > <mszeden…@mediaone.net> wrote: > >> Hannah wrote: > >> I have a recurring dream on a similar theme – being lost > >in a dark, > >> haunted-type house (the houses vary in their appearance), > >can’t find anyone > >> I need to get to, being stalked while I’m trying to get to > >someone who can > >> help me, and I usually end up being caught by the "bad > >guys" and the graphic > >> stuff starts happening. > >Hello, I’m new here and am not sure if top posting is > >allowed but will bottom post for now. > >My recurring dream is being stuck back with my ex-husband > >and not being able to get away from him. It can be very > >vivid and I wake up thinking its real and am very scared and > >upset. > >Margaret > God, I dream I am back in the Army and having panic attacks, trying to > get on a plane. Hate them. > Rick
My recurring dream is being stuck in the burning helicopter that I crached in and not being able to find a way out. It seems all to real at times and very scary. When I wake up I end up being very anxious. My pdoc said until I fully deal with the trauma those dreams will keep coming to me. Oddfroggy
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Hi Folks, Thanks for sharing your recurring dreams. Another one of mine( I have so many) is where people come into my bedroom or they are walking around the house.I ask them how they got in this time.They are hanging around and they sit on my bed or stand near the bed.Sometimes it is a couple of women but mostly men.I become furious and have the same old feeling of helplessness.Like there is never going to be a time where I am free of these so-called visitors.The message is I cannot keep them out and I would be stupid to think otherwise. Turning the light on is the only way to stop it.I have over the past 20 years, many days a week, had to sleep with the light on so I can get a few hours of unbroken sleep.I have since read that light is good therapy for sleep in that activates the correct chemicals.If the light does not help I need to take a small amount of valium.Palpitations and anxiety and adrenaline are my companions at night. I do a lot of screaming at night and scream abuse at the intruders.I jump out of bed often and run on my hands and knees as I do not sleep with my below knee prosthesis on.This was not much fun when I was married for my partner.Always waking dreams that are very intense and unforgettable.I hate my memory sometimes. Helski
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Hi Ann, Welcome to the Ng. I’m more of a lurker in here, and mostly keep to the shadows, but come out every now and then. I also get the dreams where you wake up and know that there’s something you’re suppose to do. The same as you, I’ll mess around with what ever is on my night-stand, or even get out of bed and start looking for whatever… It’ll take a few minutes before my brain ‘clears’, and I realize that I’m not really awake yet. Usually I’ll sit down and have a cigarette, and wait until the ‘fog’ has completely lifted, before I go back to bed and give it another try… I have these dreams regardless if I’ve taken a sleeping pill or not. The only thing I can see that causes this is: It’s always when I’ve had way too much to deal with during the ‘awake’ hours. But then I’ve always been a very vivid dreamer. Even as a child I’d have to lay in bed for awhile after waking up, looking at my room to see what is ‘real’ and what vanishes. I hate it when I’ve had one of my nightmares and they don’t go away, when I know that I am awake. Have had some fun ones too thoe, that kind of make me wonder about my so called sanity… One night I jumped out of bed threw the covers on the floor and started to brush off the sheet of the bed. (I was still married then) My X asked me what the heck I was doing. I answered: Damn, I can’t sleep on all these ping pong balls… He told me to go back to sleep since, I obviously wasn’t awake yet. Problem was/is: I see the damn things at the same time as I see him. Therefor, I’m sure that I’m awake… Gradually I become aware of the fact that he’s probably right… Makes you feel kind of stupid… The ‘funniest’ one thoe is: Same situation, (still married) I creep around under my covers, head first… He asks me what I’m up too. My answer is: I have to find, and get the damn fox out of my bed… *sigh* Those I can laugh at… Then there are the other ones that aren’t funny at all. Hands that grab me during the night, ‘waking’ up and trying to run from the bed, but once I put my feet on the ground and start to get up, the hands come from under the bed and grab my ankles… I hate those….. Kitty In article <39bbb18b.8102…@news.cis.dfn.de>, just_me_00…@hotmail.com (Ann) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all, I’m new here hence the fact that I haven’t seen much of this > thread, or any other come to that. But I want to tell about my sleep > problems. I’ve never told anyone before. I get all the things talked > of here. Strange dreams if I sleep in the day and nightmares at night > with touching dreams when I feel the man who raped me when I was 6, > touch me. It always wakes me up but I still feel his touch even after > I’m awake. Really though the worst of my sleep problems happens > nearly every night. I sort of wake up but can’t think properly. Then > I think I have to do something. What it is varies but at the moment > it’s to do with sending emails. I think I have to send email which I > have written in my head. The only way I can think to send it is > throught the clock, don’t laugh! But I don’t really know what I’m > doing so I pick up the clock and fiddle with it. Sometimes I take the > batteries out, sometimes I turn the alarm off, which is not a good > idea. Eventually I realise that there’s no point to this and I can go > back to sleep. But really, I find it so tiring and it’s exhausting > me. I don’t take drugs, don’t want to. > Thanks for listening, > Ann
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Hi Kitty, This is the first time I have heard of anyone else having those—- exact—— waking dreams and the theme of having something to do and not knowing exactly what it is. Some of my running themes are to do with appointments or specific dates and arrangements with people I do not know and i do not keep them b/c I have not been told about them( in the nightmares that is) and then I am reprimanded and made to feel totally irresponsible.I feel worthless and castigate myself even tho I know it is a dream but I have difficulty getting out of it. Another is the hands and being touched or annoyed by someone pushing or punching tthe mattress,voices telling me negative things about myself inside the house and outside the house……..all with my eyes open. The other very frustrating one I have when I am particularly stressed in my waking life is where people are living under my house secretly but with not much food or bedding or comfort.People in the neighbourhood tell me about it and then I feel guilty that I am living in comfort and that I have not or cannot help them( even tho I do not really know they are there).Or the variation is that they come in and use everything and move things and have their own keys or secret passage ways into my bedroom and invade my life and call me stupid for not noticing changes they make to my bedroom .Privacy is completely taken.They hear and see everthing and make it a point. These are the very mild dreams……………….others involving knives ,shards of glass,guns etc etc etc are too terrible to describe here. Take care Helski
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Kitty, I do not have dreams of that sort but I sure as hell enjoyed reading the way you wrote. By the by, if the sleep meds don’t work why take them? I would go see the doc"s and tell them. Take Care, John De
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Hi Kitty, thanks for this. I’m so glad I wrote and so glad that others know what I’m talking about. I’ve always had these weird waking dream state things and never realised that it might be due to PTSD. I’ve only had that diagnosis for a while but I guess I’ve really had it since I was small, although it’s got worse just recently. When I was younger I used to get out of bed a lot and try to find the light switch. It would take me ages as it was pitch black and I’d work my way around the walls feeling for things I’d recognise. When I eventually found the switch, I’d turn it on and completely wake up immediately and just go back to bed. I sleep with a light on now so that doesn’t happen. Not so long ago I dreamt that a little girl was holding me down, almost suffocating me. I woke up and could see her. I saw that it was me when I was a small child. It was really horrible and weird. It took me ages to calm myself down after that. Ann – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:00:10 GMT, midni…@telia.com wrote: >Hi Ann, >Welcome to the Ng. I’m more of a lurker in here, and mostly keep to the >shadows, but come out every now and then. I also get the dreams where >you wake up and know that there’s something you’re suppose to do. The >same as you, I’ll mess around with what ever is on my night-stand, or >even get out of bed and start looking for whatever… It’ll take a few >minutes before my brain ‘clears’, and I realize that I’m not really >awake yet. Usually I’ll sit down and have a cigarette, and wait until >the ‘fog’ has completely lifted, before I go back to bed and give it >another try… I have these dreams regardless if I’ve taken a sleeping >pill or not. The only thing I can see that causes this is: It’s always >when I’ve had way too much to deal with during the ‘awake’ hours. But >then I’ve always been a very vivid dreamer. Even as a child I’d have to >lay in bed for awhile after waking up, looking at my room to see what >is ‘real’ and what vanishes. I hate it when I’ve had one of my >nightmares and they don’t go away, when I know that I am awake. Have >had some fun ones too thoe, that kind of make me wonder about my so >called sanity… >One night I jumped out of bed threw the covers on the floor >and started to brush off the sheet of the bed. (I was still married >then) My X asked me what the heck I was doing. I answered: Damn, I >can’t sleep on all these ping pong balls… He told me to go back to >sleep since, I obviously wasn’t awake yet. Problem was/is: I see the >damn things at the same time as I see him. Therefor, I’m sure that I’m >awake… Gradually I become aware of the fact that he’s probably >right… Makes you feel kind of stupid… The ‘funniest’ one thoe is: >Same situation, (still married) I creep around under my covers, head >first… He asks me what I’m up too. My answer is: I have to find, and >get the damn fox out of my bed… *sigh* Those I can laugh at… Then >there are the other ones that aren’t funny at all. Hands that grab me >during the night, ‘waking’ up and trying to run from the bed, but once >I put my feet on the ground and start to get up, the hands come from >under the bed and grab my ankles… I hate those….. >Kitty
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On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 05:46:35 GMT, yarngal <iris…@my-deja.com> wrote: >Wow, Stargazer! I have ALSO had a similar COMFORTING touch, too, during the >ASP, and there wasn’t anyone else in the house with me. It happened when I >was in distress, during the daytime naps. I get the SP/ASP even when I sleep >on my side. I do believe I have the SP, in ADDITION to the pdoc/psychologist >officially-diagnosed PTSD I already have. The next time I see my T I will >bring up the SP. He and my pdoc only believe in proven scientific facts, >though. As I said, my T told me the daytime dreams are PTSD-related >"hallucinatory dreams". I do plan to tell him next time that I read about >ASP/SP on the Web. I also joined the ASP-L e-mail list on eGROUPS. It’s >imformative and very interesting. Take Care, Iris
Hi all, I’m new here hence the fact that I haven’t seen much of this thread, or any other come to that. But I want to tell about my sleep problems. I’ve never told anyone before. I get all the things talked of here. Strange dreams if I sleep in the day and nightmares at night with touching dreams when I feel the man who raped me when I was 6, touch me. It always wakes me up but I still feel his touch even after I’m awake. Really though the worst of my sleep problems happens nearly every night. I sort of wake up but can’t think properly. Then I think I have to do something. What it is varies but at the moment it’s to do with sending emails. I think I have to send email which I have written in my head. The only way I can think to send it is throught the clock, don’t laugh! But I don’t really know what I’m doing so I pick up the clock and fiddle with it. Sometimes I take the batteries out, sometimes I turn the alarm off, which is not a good idea. Eventually I realise that there’s no point to this and I can go back to sleep. But really, I find it so tiring and it’s exhausting me. I don’t take drugs, don’t want to. Thanks for listening, Ann
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In article <8ou92p$r5…@nnrp1.deja.com>, Stargazer <atlantean_be…@my-deja.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <20000828020606.17861.00000…@ng-ce1.aol.com>, > goony…@aol.com (Bee) wrote: > > >From: iris…@my-deja.com > > >Hi. I have PTSD. Diagnosed in 1990, but I have had it since > childhood. i > > >have the nightmares at night, but if i don’t getenough sleep i end > up having > > >to nap in the day–late afternoon. Well, I get these scary "dreams’ > when this > > >happens where it feels like I am not fully asleep. I can’t move! > I’m > > >parylized! Then I feel like someone is touching me–usually a man– > in > > >unwanted ways. It feels VERY REAL! As if it is REALLY > hapening in 3D > > life > > >(not like a movie). Also (and I NEVER have this happen when I am > fully awake) > > >during these episodes, I hear people’s voices talking to me, in my > sleep. > > >Different stuff. My T says it’s from the PTSD. He called > it "Hallucinatory > > >Dreams". He’s an expert on PTSD. It is different than my awake > flashbacks > > >and the PTSD nightmares I get at night, though. I DON’T want it! > Last time > > >it was my very abusive mother (who died in 1983!) in the "Daytime > > >nightmares".She tried to hurt me again and she said! Of course it > wasn’t > > >REALLY her, but it sure FELT VERY REAL! Can a PTSD sufferer get > nightmares > > >during daytime naps? Has anyone here experienced this? Please > answer this > > >post. THANKS, Iris > > OMG yes I used to have nightmares at night, but the worst ones were > when I > > napped during the day. My whole body would tingle like when your > foot goes to > > sleep, and I was paralyzed, unable to move. I knew I was asleep, but > it was > > like I was not all the way asleep, but I couldn’t wake up either. I > think I’ve > > heard this referred to as ’sleep paralysis’, and I don’t know if it’s > common to > > anyone, or if it’s part of PTSD, or what. I don’t know or understand > anything > > about it, but I sure did experience it, and it was AWFUL. > > During these day-time nap dreams, though, I never heard voices or > felt anyone > > touch me. That only happened in my nightmares and in flashbacks when > I was > > fully awake. In the day-time nap dreams, I just felt really heavy > and tingly, > > and paralyzed. > > If anyone else has any insight or information about this, please > post…I’m > > interested to know more. > > Bee > Hi Bee and Iris, > While I don’t have much additional insight or information at this time > I want to respond. This is the first time that I have seen this > connection mentioned. I was diagnosed with ptsd only a short time > after the onset of aware sleep paralysis. At the time I connected it > with severe nightmares I was then having and which lessened greatly > after I learned lucid dreaming. That helped me to take control in the > nightmare and overcome the fear. > I too have mostly experienced sleep paralysis during daytime naps and > especially, I think, when sleeping on my back. Lately I have not been > sleeping in the daytime and it occasionally occurs at night. The last > time I had it I remembered to try to move and did in fact manage to > awaken by "jumping" out of the grip of whatever it was. > While I have not experienced anything like the nightmarish experiences > mentioned above during paralysis, in itself it is a frightful thing and > is always accompanied by deep dread. The only time I felt a touch > (other than the recent one of being clutched) was when I silently > called for help (trying to mentally contact someone in the next room, a > child, to come in and awaken me — which didn’t work) — I did feel > someone gently touch my face with two hands in a most comforting way — > someone who I knew was nobody who was in the house with me) — and this > calmed me until I fell asleep and later awoke normally. I have always > longed to know who that being was. > — > Stargazer > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.
THANKs, Everyone who answered my first post. Wow, Stargazer! I have ALSO had a similar COMFORTING touch, too, during the ASP, and there wasn’t anyone else in the house with me. It happened when I was in distress, during the daytime naps. I get the SP/ASP even when I sleep on my side. I do believe I have the SP, in ADDITION to the pdoc/psychologist officially-diagnosed PTSD I already have. The next time I see my T I will bring up the SP. He and my pdoc only believe in proven scientific facts, though. As I said, my T told me the daytime dreams are PTSD-related "hallucinatory dreams". I do plan to tell him next time that I read about ASP/SP on the Web. I also joined the ASP-L e-mail list on eGROUPS. It’s imformative and very interesting. Take Care, Iris Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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dear iris, oh, yeah, does this ring a bell with me! you describe perfectly what happened and still happens to me if i sleep in the day, esp. the afternoon. i could hear voices, feel touches, all very menacing, and also sense ’someone’ coming towards the bed, but i couldn’t move or speak or wake up well enough to do more than just barely lift my eyelids. my solution: i don’t sleep in the day, no matter how tired i am. if i am sick in bed and have fever, then of course, it’s kinda unavoidable. otherwise: nope, never sleep in daytime. being tired is better than that. btw, the nightmares will , over time, have less power over you, except in bouts. i say this as a person who has had flashbacks/nightmares/ the whole thing for 40 years. in the last 10 years, since my parents finally died, the sleep problems have improved. certain seasons or events still cause a bunch of them, but i can usually get through several months of exhaustion without having to sleep in the day. good luck, iris, i hope this helps you slightly. carole – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<iris…@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8ocr7e$33c$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > Hi. I have PTSD. Diagnosed in 1990, but I have had it since childhood. i > have the nightmares at night, but if i don’t getenough sleep i end up having > to nap in the day–late afternoon. Well, I get these scary "dreams’ when this > happens where it feels like I am not fully asleep. I can’t move! I’m > parylized! Then I feel like someone is touching me–usually a man–in > unwanted ways. It feels VERY REAL! As if it is REALLY hapening in 3D life > (not like a movie). Also (and I NEVER have this happen when I am fully awake) > during these episodes, I hear people’s voices talking to me, in my sleep. > Different stuff. My T says it’s from the PTSD. He called it "Hallucinatory > Dreams". He’s an expert on PTSD. It is different than my awake flashbacks > and the PTSD nightmares I get at night, though. I DON’T want it! Last time > it was my very abusive mother (who died in 1983!) in the "Daytime > nightmares".She tried to hurt me again and she said! Of course it wasn’t > REALLY her, but it sure FELT VERY REAL! Can a PTSD sufferer get nightmares > during daytime naps? Has anyone here experienced this? Please answer this > post. THANKS, Iris > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.
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Hi. I have PTSD. Diagnosed in 1990, but I have had it since childhood. i have the nightmares at night, but if i don’t getenough sleep i end up having to nap in the day–late afternoon. Well, I get these scary "dreams’ when this happens where it feels like I am not fully asleep. I can’t move! I’m parylized! Then I feel like someone is touching me–usually a man–in unwanted ways. It feels VERY REAL! As if it is REALLY hapening in 3D life (not like a movie). Also (and I NEVER have this happen when I am fully awake) during these episodes, I hear people’s voices talking to me, in my sleep. Different stuff. My T says it’s from the PTSD. He called it "Hallucinatory Dreams". He’s an expert on PTSD. It is different than my awake flashbacks and the PTSD nightmares I get at night, though. I DON’T want it! Last time it was my very abusive mother (who died in 1983!) in the "Daytime nightmares".She tried to hurt me again and she said! Of course it wasn’t REALLY her, but it sure FELT VERY REAL! Can a PTSD sufferer get nightmares during daytime naps? Has anyone here experienced this? Please answer this post. THANKS, Iris Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: iris…@my-deja.com >Hi. I have PTSD. Diagnosed in 1990, but I have had it since childhood. i >have the nightmares at night, but if i don’t getenough sleep i end up having >to nap in the day–late afternoon. Well, I get these scary "dreams’ when this >happens where it feels like I am not fully asleep. I can’t move! I’m >parylized! Then I feel like someone is touching me–usually a man–in >unwanted ways. It feels VERY REAL! As if it is REALLY hapening in 3D life >(not like a movie). Also (and I NEVER have this happen when I am fully awake) >during these episodes, I hear people’s voices talking to me, in my sleep. >Different stuff. My T says it’s from the PTSD. He called it "Hallucinatory >Dreams". He’s an expert on PTSD. It is different than my awake flashbacks >and the PTSD nightmares I get at night, though. I DON’T want it! Last time >it was my very abusive mother (who died in 1983!) in the "Daytime >nightmares".She tried to hurt me again and she said! Of course it wasn’t >REALLY her, but it sure FELT VERY REAL! Can a PTSD sufferer get nightmares >during daytime naps? Has anyone here experienced this? Please answer this >post. THANKS, Iris
OMG yes I used to have nightmares at night, but the worst ones were when I napped during the day. My whole body would tingle like when your foot goes to sleep, and I was paralyzed, unable to move. I knew I was asleep, but it was like I was not all the way asleep, but I couldn’t wake up either. I think I’ve heard this referred to as ’sleep paralysis’, and I don’t know if it’s common to anyone, or if it’s part of PTSD, or what. I don’t know or understand anything about it, but I sure did experience it, and it was AWFUL. During these day-time nap dreams, though, I never heard voices or felt anyone touch me. That only happened in my nightmares and in flashbacks when I was fully awake. In the day-time nap dreams, I just felt really heavy and tingly, and paralyzed. If anyone else has any insight or information about this, please post…I’m interested to know more. Bee
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