Question:
Hi everyone and Nancy and Rose Marie, I’m not playing the game today because, well, I’m just too bummed out. I found out through my Vietnam Battalion Association’s grapevine that a member of my battalion, Dean Meyers, was killed by the DC area sniper last Wednesday. I didn’t know him but it set off a chain of thoughts that I’m still trying to deal with. What a world we live in, this man lives through Vietnam and 30+ years of life after and now to die like this. I’ve got to sign off now. Larry Lusk
Response:
Hi Larry! > I’m not playing the game today because, well, I’m just too bummed out.
Too bad that you ever did play a game on this ng. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy
Response:
Nancy, quite honestly, you have to be the coldest bitch on well, it’s had to comprehend. After I said that a man had been killed, hardly matters how direct a connection I had to him, you post this? Is it just because I posted it or is it because it was "just another man" so his death doesn’t count. If I had any indication that you had the skills, I at least would put you on the list as a suspect to be the DC sniper. Would your post be the same if I had posted about the latest victim. SHE was a women, a breast cancer survivor. You are a disgrace to your sex. Burn in Hell Nancy, I’ll be there waiting for you, Larry Lusk "Nancy" <ki…@cox.net> wrote in message
news:DOZq9.133335$IL6.6750999@news2.east.cox.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Larry! > > I’m not playing the game today because, well, I’m just too bummed out. > Too bad that you ever did play a game on this ng. > Smile and there will be something to smile about! > Nancy
Response:
>Nancy, quite honestly, you have to be the coldest bitch on well, it’s had to >comprehend.
well at least i’ll have good company in coldest bitch land because the same thing occurred to me. it’s really too bad you view this as a game. another missing piece of the puzzle.
Response:
Isn’t it "just a game" to a few of the people posting here. I have posted some serious stuff here, both my own feelings and in support of others. I, at least until Nancy decided she was bored and attacked me had not been playing a game. For a few days now, and notice this if you have any inclination to, with one exception I have "played a game" back only to those who attack my posts. Those people keep the "game" going. Thus, if attacking other peoples posts who make no reference to you is not a game to you, then what are you here for, it can’t possible be to help people suffering from PTSD. If they stopped replying to me then it would be over. I hope you meant that you thought that Nancy posting her meanness after I said that I was feeling bad about someone who was killed was a cold thing to do. Is it that none of you care? Knock me for a word that I have seldom ever used, even when referring to the right species, but the lack of respect for the death of another human being, well, perhaps I have found a part of the Hell that is my final destination. And Lea, I don’t think there are any missing pieces of this puzzle. It’s been there out in the open for a long time. Larry Lusk "Lea15" <le…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021015180448.05773.00001682@mb-mm.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Nancy, quite honestly, you have to be the coldest bitch on well, it’s had to > >comprehend. > well at least i’ll have good company in coldest bitch land because the same > thing occurred to me. it’s really too bad you view this as a game. > another missing piece of the puzzle.
Response:
It’s really hard to understand death, isn’t it? Both of my good friend neighbors, women I’d known and lived with on a daily basis for over twenty years, raised my kids with……died of cancer. They were both much more productive women than me, had much fuller lives, didn’t have depression or any mental disorder……..yet here I am and they are both gone now. Hang in there Larry, td "LEL" <lelvn…@charter.net> wrote in message
news:uqn7ck647rmtef@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi everyone and Nancy and Rose Marie, > I’m not playing the game today because, well, I’m just too bummed out. I > found out through my Vietnam Battalion Association’s grapevine that a member > of my battalion, Dean Meyers, was killed by the DC area sniper last > Wednesday. I didn’t know him but it set off a chain of thoughts that I’m > still trying to deal with. What a world we live in, this man lives through > Vietnam and 30+ years of life after and now to die like this. I’ve got to > sign off now. > Larry Lusk
Response:
"Lea15" <le…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021015180448.05773.00001682@mb-mm.aol.com… > well at least i’ll have good company in coldest bitch land because the same > thing occurred to me. it’s really too bad you view this as a game. > another missing piece of the puzzle.
You know what? The problem with the internet has reared its ugly head again. A simple use of idiom, a casual use of a phrase with multiple possible meanings, leads to this kind of personal attack? I’m sorry, but if you had been in the same room with Larry, heard his inflection, seen his body language, caught the look in his eyes, I’m all too certain you’d have chosen another meaning altogether for "playing the game". Try and consider what he really meant, or ask him to explain himself in other words, but don’t condemn him for a meaning that arises from your own mind.
Response:
>Try and consider what he really meant, or ask him to explain himself in >other words, but don’t condemn him for a meaning that arises from your own >mind.
why hold me to different standards than you hold him? i could pull a larry and say you were only doing it because i am a woman but that’s even more ludicrous than past posts given that this is the internet and you only have my word on whether or not i am a woman.
Response:
"Larry Hoover" <larryhoo…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:%Z1r9.4312$Md7.588628@news20.bellglobal.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Lea15" <le…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:20021015180448.05773.00001682@mb-mm.aol.com… > > well at least i’ll have good company in coldest bitch land because the > same > > thing occurred to me. it’s really too bad you view this as a game. > > another missing piece of the puzzle. > You know what? The problem with the internet has reared its ugly head again. > A simple use of idiom, a casual use of a phrase with multiple possible > meanings, leads to this kind of personal attack? > I’m sorry, but if you had been in the same room with Larry, heard his > inflection, seen his body language, caught the look in his eyes, I’m all too > certain you’d have chosen another meaning altogether for "playing the game". > Try and consider what he really meant, or ask him to explain himself in > other words, but don’t condemn him for a meaning that arises from your own > mind.
Thanks Larry, I understood what he was referring to, but then I’m one of those burdened with empathy and too many ‘feelings’. After all, the ‘game playing’ reference wasn’t brought up by Larry L., it was brought up by others in the first place…………he was merely responding to the accusations of others. td – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Response:
>After all, the ‘game >playing’ reference wasn’t brought up by Larry L.,
the only reference to game playing that i’ve seen has come from larry l. from the first post in the ‘Why I can’t’ thread to the post today. perhaps you got posts that my news server hasn’t delivered to me yet. aol isn’t always timely in delivering posts. empathy and feelings can be a burden especially if you use them to further a double standard. i find it ironic that after the numerous posts in another thread about a perceived double standard that you would support one here. there may be more than one meaning to playing the game but there really isn’t to cold bitch. start there with the personal attacks if you are expecting validity and you value consistency.
Response:
>Thus, if attacking >other peoples posts who make no reference to you is not a game to you, then >what are you here for, it can’t possible be to help people suffering from >PTSD.
i don’t play games larry. life is too short and i’m not going to waste the time. your post may not have referenced me directly but your return post to nancy was totally inappropriate. you made a choice. you could simply have said that’s not what i meant but instead you fly off the handle and rage. you made this personal with your comments and you do that consistently then act surprised when someone calls you on it. i don’t care where you are with your ptsd. i think everyone who has ptsd and is prone to raging should be held accountable for the rages-regardless of ptsd or not. that explaination may work elsewhere in the world but we all have ptsd here and not all of us rage the way you do. if you really don’t use the words game playing very often, i think it is pretty significant that you chose it this time. again, this was your choice of words. you had a plethora of other words to choose from that would have made your meaning clear. i think also it is very interesting that you keep trying to make this all because you are male rather than taking a look at what it is about you personally that could draw the responses you get. it’s kind of funny when you think about it since you have no clue what sex any of us really are. this is the internet. i may say i’m a woman but you have no way of knowing that is true.
Response:
"Lea15" <le…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021015212502.15079.00001528@mb-de.aol.com… > >After all, the ‘game > >playing’ reference wasn’t brought up by Larry L., > the only reference to game playing that i’ve seen has come from larry l. from > the first post in the ‘Why I can’t’ thread to the post today. perhaps you got > posts that my news server hasn’t delivered to me yet. aol isn’t always timely > in delivering posts.
This is a part of a post from the ‘am I alone in this crap’…….and I believe it was the first reference to ‘games’…… If this sounds discordant, I am terrible at games. And I am not real sorry about it either. I want very much to offer real support, and to ask for it when I need it but I cant do the game thing – it isnt in me. I am not responsible for your feelings, guys.> > empathy and feelings can be a burden especially if you use them to further a > double standard. i find it ironic that after the numerous posts in another > thread about a perceived double standard that you would support one here.
I don’t support a double standard………I just see when someone is hurting and having a real problem and I don’t care to aggrivate that problem by antagonizing………. I remember other people here going on rants from time to time…….granted they were all women, but why can’t we give Larry the same benefit of doubt and rather than poke and prod…….try to listen and understand. I don’t think he posts stuff here for any other reason than he’s hurting about something…….and looking for a place to express that hurt……for someone to acknowlege it and try to help. He might go about it differently than most, but personally I’ve always found him to be quite caring when someone is hurting…….but if you begin ‘poking him with a stick’ he gets angry. (by the way, when I used the term ‘you’ there, I didn’t mean you personally, I was just using it as a term). ………so why ‘poke him with a stick’? Why not just leave him to those who understand where he’s coming from? The people here who have responded to him in a caring fashion haven’t received any hostility back…… I just hate to see these mean-spirited barbs flinging back and forth. He’s a man, lot’s of times men respond in anger…..just as lots of times women respond by closing off and hiding…….we all react differently……..but when we gang up on somebody we are just acting like bullies…….. In real life if someone we know is angry about something…do we try to calm them down, maybe leave them alone for awhile………or do we just keep egging them on? We train these men to get angry enough to kill in combat……but then when they show some anger afterwards we condemn them for it. I don’t know, my mind is clouding up again, I wanted to write something else……but I can’t remember it anymore. td
Response:
Hi td! > This is a part of a post from the ‘am I alone in this crap’…….and I > believe it was the first reference to ‘games’…… > If this sounds discordant, I am terrible at games. And I am not real > sorry about it either. I want very much to offer real support, and to > ask for it when I need it but I cant do the game thing – it isnt in me. > I am not responsible for your feelings, guys.>
and, it was from Rose. Larry is the one who wants to not play the game today because someone he doesn’t know bought the farm from the DC sniper. If each one of us plays games on this newsgroup (except when some piece of the national or local news upsets us), then we can have a real chaotic situation. And, we will do so because that is our tendancy, anyway. In a previous life I would have stuck out my chest and taken the blows of his anger directly, mistakenly believing that I had caused his anger. Today, his opinions are not valuable to me, because he chooses to try to place the responsibility for his anger upon me. > We train these men to get angry enough to kill in combat……but then when > they show some anger afterwards we condemn them for it.
Tiny, the military does not train anyone ‘to get angry enough to kill in combat’. Killing in combat is a job that requires a calm and clear mind. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy
Response:
>This is a part of a post from the ‘am I alone in this crap’…….and I >believe it was the first reference to ‘games’……
you’re probably right. i didn’t scroll completely through all the different threads to see where the term game playing came in. >I don’t support a double standard………I just see when someone is hurting >and having a real problem and I don’t care to aggrivate that problem by >antagonizing……….
i don’t support inappropriate responses in which someone goes off on a rant calling someone else here a bitch or anything of the sort regardless of the circumstances. i think it is making excuses for the other person and enabling them to continue the inappropriate behavior-male or female. you might consider it poking and prodding; i don’t. i think you put a lot of thought into what you post. i know how hard it is when you are switching like crazy to even be able to string a sentence together. i do the same thing and i don’t play games. i don’t support playing games and i pretty much put it out there. the reason i said you were supporting a double standard is that you are excusing his posts and personal attacks yet saying that we caused it. no one here causes outbursts like his. i don’t have the energy to try to figure out what rules i’m supposed to be held to that larry doesn’t and vice versa. i don’t think it is fair to any of us to excuse it or try to explain it by being male or female. i would confront anyone posting as he did.
Response:
>PTSDers dont get a free ride for bad >behavior in real life and AFAIAC not here either.
bingo. my point exactly.
Response:
"Nancy" <ki…@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vo4r9.135131$IL6.6853458@news2.east.cox.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi td! > > This is a part of a post from the ‘am I alone in this crap’…….and I > > believe it was the first reference to ‘games’…… > > If this sounds discordant, I am terrible at games. And I am not real > > sorry about it either. I want very much to offer real support, and to > > ask for it when I need it but I cant do the game thing – it isnt in me. > > I am not responsible for your feelings, guys.> > and, it was from Rose. > Larry is the one who wants to not play the game today because someone he > doesn’t know bought the farm from the DC sniper. > If each one of us plays games on this newsgroup (except when some piece of > the national or local news upsets us), then we can have a real chaotic > situation. And, we will do so because that is our tendancy, anyway. > In a previous life I would have stuck out my chest and taken the blows of > his anger directly, mistakenly believing that I had caused his anger. > Today, his opinions are not valuable to me, because he chooses to try to > place the responsibility for his anger upon me. > > We train these men to get angry enough to kill in combat……but then > when > > they show some anger afterwards we condemn them for it. > Tiny, the military does not train anyone ‘to get angry enough to kill in > combat’. Killing in combat is a job that requires a calm and clear mind.
Well I guess we must have ‘run with a different crowd’ back in the late ’60’s……..cause I noticed a real difference in ‘meanness’ after basic training and jungle warfare training or whatever they called it…….preparation for Nam……..in the guy I was going with at the time. td – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Smile and there will be something to smile about! > Nancy
Response:
>Tiny, the military does not train anyone ‘to get angry enough to kill in >combat’. Killing in combat is a job that requires a calm and clear mind.
that’s very true. my oldest brother is a sniper in the army and my youngest is an army ranger. i don’t get worried when they are angry and loud. i get worried when they get really quiet and intense.
Response:
Lea that’s a lot of crap "i don’t play games", everyone plays games. The game that you have involved yourself in NOW is a very serious one. You are bright but not bright enough to stay out and still retain some respect for yourself and what others think of you. I don’t believe your "stories" about your PTSD and how it came about and I don’t, at least now give a spit in the ocean if anyone believes me. Let me ask you a question that I’m sure you will not cut and paste in your reply. Why do you dislike men in general so much and Nam vets in particular. I know why Nancy hates men and Nam vets (from her own email to me long ago), but you are somewhat of an enigma. You are very slick in your set up, much better at it than Nancy. That indicates to me at least that your hatred must be intense and your set-up routine suggests that no "knee jerk" reaction is involved. How many of your male patients that died by something deliberately caused by you? Did you "just by mistake" miss something important or was more involved? Scared to tell the truth? Could it be that because the males that have visited this NG told the truth and shamed you into helping to drive them away. Your defense is lame and a bit silly up to this point. I’m waiting to see your next joke. What’s the use, no matter what is posted next, anyone who doesn’t come to your defense will become an "enemy" to be set up in the future and anyone that gives me any support will soon be attacked by one of you or some character that will have a fake address and scream obscenities. Well Nancy I hope you are proud of yourself again since you have gotten another one back at your ex (like he cares). And I am sorry to the few of you that don’t understand what has been taking place lately. It’s most likely best if you don’t ask and don’t get involved. This is no longer a game. bye "Lea15" <le…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021015214901.15079.00001534@mb-de.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Thus, if attacking > >other peoples posts who make no reference to you is not a game to you, then > >what are you here for, it can’t possible be to help people suffering from > >PTSD. > i don’t play games larry. life is too short and i’m not going to waste the > time. > your post may not have referenced me directly but your return post to nancy > was totally inappropriate. you made a choice. you could simply have said > that’s not what i meant but instead you fly off the handle and rage. you made > this personal with your comments and you do that consistently then act > surprised when someone calls you on it. > i don’t care where you are with your ptsd. i think everyone who has ptsd and > is prone to raging should be held accountable for the rages-regardless of ptsd > or not. that explaination may work elsewhere in the world but we all have ptsd > here and not all of us rage the way you do. > if you really don’t use the words game playing very often, i think it is pretty > significant that you chose it this time. again, this was your choice of words. > you had a plethora of other words to choose from that would have made your > meaning clear. > i think also it is very interesting that you keep trying to make this all > because you are male rather than taking a look at what it is about you > personally that could draw the responses you get. it’s kind of funny when you > think about it since you have no clue what sex any of us really are. this is > the internet. i may say i’m a woman but you have no way of knowing that is > true.
Response:
Different people react differently to various levels of training, as well as outside threats to their self, and others in their charge. I’ve seen ‘quiet’ killers, as well as ones that scream all the way. EVERY one is different in nature, as well as response. Also, we NEVER know how we’ll react, until we are fighting for our survival. I do speak from personal experience. No matter how hard we train, and how hard we try to have a certain mind set, things just don’t go the way we plan. One of Murphy’s Laws of Combat, is that NO plan survives the first encounter. That is true. Not to excuse anyone’s ‘bad’ behavior, but all of us handle things differently than ‘text book’ responses. I would suppose that is one of the insidious things about PTSD people, and their affliction. I’ve read all of this thread, and wish other words were chosen by certain people, but they weren’t. Maybe a little more understanding might be in order— course, I’m a newbie at this, so maybe I just don’t realize what is going on around here. J. David
Response:
"J David Phillips" <flmf…@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:Sp5r9.134049$O8.3293373@twister.tampabay.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Different people react differently to various levels of training, as > well as outside threats to their self, and others in their charge. I’ve > seen ‘quiet’ killers, as well as ones that scream all the way. EVERY one is > different in nature, as well as response. Also, we NEVER know how we’ll > react, until we are fighting for our survival. I do speak from personal > experience. No matter how hard we train, and how hard we try to have a > certain mind set, things just don’t go the way we plan. One of Murphy’s > Laws of Combat, is that NO plan survives the first encounter. That is true. > Not to excuse anyone’s ‘bad’ behavior, but all of us handle things > differently than ‘text book’ responses. I would suppose that is one of the > insidious things about PTSD people, and their affliction. > I’ve read all of this thread, and wish other words were chosen by certain > people, but they weren’t. Maybe a little more understanding might be in > order— course, I’m a newbie at this, so maybe I just don’t realize what is > going on around here. > J. David
Welcome newbie, hope you decide to stay around…….. td – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Response:
"Lea15" <le…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021015202212.05684.00001770@mb-mm.aol.com… > >Try and consider what he really meant, or ask him to explain himself in > >other words, but don’t condemn him for a meaning that arises from your own > >mind. > why hold me to different standards than you hold him? > i could pull a larry and say you were only doing it because i am a woman but > that’s even more ludicrous than past posts given that this is the internet and > you only have my word on whether or not i am a woman.
I honestly don’t think I have a double standard. I’ll give it more thought, though. There is no need to perpetuate a dispute that is not germain to the essence of the original message, IMHO. Larry spoke of his grief at finding out about the death of a member of his battalion, at the hands of the Virginia sniper. That’s the theme, as far as I can tell. Taking a brief introductory objective phrase out of its context (he was revealing his state of mind), is disrespectful. That’s my opinion. And making it the sole topic of reply is insulting. That’s my opinion. I doubt semantics were very high on his list of priorities. Larry and Nancy have a history, only part of which I am privy to. I’m not going there. It gets nasty sometimes. And if Larry has a rant, I don’t have to reply. I pause, think about possible answers, write one if I still feel I must, and set it aside if I remain in anger, so I can look at it when I’m calmed down, and determine if it’s still relevant. I did that in your case, Lea. I’d say much the same things to you again. Reading something into somebody else’s words is like graffiti on a building, to my manner of perception.
Response:
"Larry Hoover" <larryhoo…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:br5r9.4$Sn6.5531@news20.bellglobal.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Lea15" <le…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:20021015202212.05684.00001770@mb-mm.aol.com… > > >Try and consider what he really meant, or ask him to explain himself in > > >other words, but don’t condemn him for a meaning that arises from your > own > > >mind. > > why hold me to different standards than you hold him? > > i could pull a larry and say you were only doing it because i am a woman > but > > that’s even more ludicrous than past posts given that this is the internet > and > > you only have my word on whether or not i am a woman. > I honestly don’t think I have a double standard. I’ll give it more thought, > though. > There is no need to perpetuate a dispute that is not germain to the essence > of the original message, IMHO. Larry spoke of his grief at finding out about > the death of a member of his battalion, at the hands of the Virginia sniper. > That’s the theme, as far as I can tell. Taking a brief introductory > objective phrase out of its context (he was revealing his state of mind), is > disrespectful. That’s my opinion. And making it the sole topic of reply is > insulting. That’s my opinion. I doubt semantics were very high on his list > of priorities. > Larry and Nancy have a history, only part of which I am privy to. I’m not > going there. It gets nasty sometimes. > And if Larry has a rant, I don’t have to reply. I pause, think about > possible answers, write one if I still feel I must, and set it aside if I > remain in anger, so I can look at it when I’m calmed down, and determine if > it’s still relevant. I did that in your case, Lea. I’d say much the same > things to you again. Reading something into somebody else’s words is like > graffiti on a building, to my manner of perception.
Very well stated Larry, certainly wish I could write half as good as you…….. td – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Response:
Ms Dancer; Thank you for the welcome. Think I’ll stay awhile. Can’t sleep anyway 
J. David
Response:
"J David Phillips" <flmf…@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:TM5r9.134145$O8.3297482@twister.tampabay.rr.com… > Ms Dancer; > Thank you for the welcome. Think I’ll stay awhile. Can’t sleep
anyway Ah…….an unusual symptom for ptsd’er’s……. ;-) another member of the afterdark crowd I see. td – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > J. David
If you like this post and would like to receive updates from this blog, please subscribe our feed.