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I had the same problem, just they were real. In a Bunker. Rats were bigger than a real Wild Boar I tell ya. Maybe bigger ! I thought the little Green Snakes as pretty….. I think one unnamed person here would make a pet out of one. The little Lime Green ones ? Think I’ll cross post this one as I had it too, but things just seemed to get worse. So I figured what the hell, get over it. Often the snakes in the grass were men with guns who didn’t like me. From: pmartin <pmar…@adelphia.net> Subject: Of no importance Date: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:27 PM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– From: tiny dancer <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: alt.support.trauma-ptsd Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:57 AM Subject: No safety > Awoke this morning after a night filled with horrors of snakes and rats > feeding on my body, invading it, all night long. Been hanging on by a > thread for weeks, just can’t seem to take it anymore with out having a safe > place, safe people, to turn to anymore. Pulled up this ng and saw 84 > posts………..have no safety anymore……. > td
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Oh well.. if you’re cross-posting, I might as well <G> I sort of read through some of this thread today.. Get the sense that… people from the world.. are trying to equate (bad word to use.. that’s not exactly what I mean..) combat-consequent PTSD with.. pretty much anything.. that has happened to any of the regulars in this PTSD group.. maybe the firemen at the WTC.. For a long time, before I even met you any of you.. people – and some Docs (when I would go..) would tell me.. that they could not understand how I survived my life at *all* intact.. that I was.. self-parented.. and lucky in that at a few points in my life there were "some" good people.. but pretty much.. on my own.. and varying levels of trauma.. psychological, sexual.. some sharp force trauma (literally – metal <G>) and dog attacks.. beatings, whippings.. being in planes catching on fire.. shit like that.. Even over the last month, I got a couple of emails asking me if I had PTSD.. all I can think when I get them is.. "I dunno.. do I?".. because I gotta say.. that when I think of some of the shit you guys went through.. in isolated incidents over protracted periods of "nothing" inbetween but expectation of the next "incident".. and then the coming home.. If anybody ever ask me if I have PTSD.. with all my heart.. "NO" and all the rest "is" a whine.. this ptsd group.. I’m not trying to tirviliaze.. I’ve been in more like places similar to them then I care to remember but.. it’s not the same.. not at all.. but I can see the firemen.. the people that were at.. and still are at.. the WTC.. maybe yeah.. critical incident.. extended period of time.. no respite.. and always the possiblity of it happening "again".. what’s the expression.. "gradual erosion".. Nobody in this ptsd group (or me) went thorugh *anything* approaching the levels you guys did.. we just .. "didn’t". Anne On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:53:03 GMT, "pmartin" <pmar…@adelphia.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I had the same problem, just they were real. In a Bunker. >Rats were bigger than a real Wild Boar I tell ya. Maybe >bigger ! I thought the little Green Snakes as pretty….. >I think one unnamed person here would make a pet >out of one. The little Lime Green ones ? >Think I’ll cross post this one as I had it too, but things >just seemed to get worse. So I figured what the hell, get >over it. Often the snakes in the grass were men with >guns who didn’t like me. >From: pmartin <pmar…@adelphia.net> >Subject: Of no importance >Date: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:27 PM >—– Original Message —– >From: tiny dancer <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> >Newsgroups: alt.support.trauma-ptsd >Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:57 AM >Subject: No safety >> Awoke this morning after a night filled with horrors of snakes and rats >> feeding on my body, invading it, all night long. Been hanging on by a >> thread for weeks, just can’t seem to take it anymore with out having a >safe >> place, safe people, to turn to anymore. Pulled up this ng and saw 84 >> posts………..have no safety anymore……. >> td
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Dear Anne, PTSD doesn’t say anything about how you got the symptoms. It only says you have them. Lotte "Anne" <annefaulk…@sprint.ca> skrev i meddelandet news:vo4mutsujiae0a6t95n9jaojugsu550b7d@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh well.. if you’re cross-posting, I might as well <G> > I sort of read through some of this thread today.. Get the sense > that… people from the world.. are trying to equate (bad word to > use.. that’s not exactly what I mean..) combat-consequent PTSD with.. > pretty much anything.. that has happened to any of the regulars in > this PTSD group.. > maybe the firemen at the WTC.. > For a long time, before I even met you any of you.. people – and some > Docs (when I would go..) would tell me.. that they could not > understand how I survived my life at *all* intact.. that I was.. > self-parented.. and lucky in that at a few points in my life there > were "some" good people.. but pretty much.. on my own.. > and varying levels of trauma.. psychological, sexual.. some sharp > force trauma (literally – metal <G>) and dog attacks.. beatings, > whippings.. being in planes catching on fire.. shit like that.. > Even over the last month, I got a couple of emails asking me if I had > PTSD.. all I can think when I get them is.. "I dunno.. do I?".. > because I gotta say.. that when I think of some of the shit you guys > went through.. in isolated incidents over protracted periods of > "nothing" inbetween but expectation of the next "incident".. > and then the coming home.. > If anybody ever ask me if I have PTSD.. with all my heart.. > "NO" > and all the rest "is" a whine.. this ptsd group.. I’m not trying to > tirviliaze.. I’ve been in more like places similar to them then I care > to remember but.. it’s not the same.. not at all.. > but I can see the firemen.. the people that were at.. and still are > at.. the WTC.. maybe yeah.. critical incident.. extended period of > time.. no respite.. and always the possiblity of it happening > "again".. what’s the expression.. > "gradual erosion".. > Nobody in this ptsd group (or me) went thorugh *anything* approaching > the levels you guys did.. we just .. "didn’t". > Anne > On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:53:03 GMT, "pmartin" <pmar…@adelphia.net> > wrote: > >I had the same problem, just they were real. In a Bunker. > >Rats were bigger than a real Wild Boar I tell ya. Maybe > >bigger ! I thought the little Green Snakes as pretty….. > >I think one unnamed person here would make a pet > >out of one. The little Lime Green ones ? > >Think I’ll cross post this one as I had it too, but things > >just seemed to get worse. So I figured what the hell, get > >over it. Often the snakes in the grass were men with > >guns who didn’t like me. > >From: pmartin <pmar…@adelphia.net> > >Subject: Of no importance > >Date: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:27 PM > >—– Original Message —– > >From: tiny dancer <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> > >Newsgroups: alt.support.trauma-ptsd > >Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:57 AM > >Subject: No safety > >> Awoke this morning after a night filled with horrors of snakes and rats > >> feeding on my body, invading it, all night long. Been hanging on by a > >> thread for weeks, just can’t seem to take it anymore with out having a > >safe > >> place, safe people, to turn to anymore. Pulled up this ng and saw 84 > >> posts………..have no safety anymore……. > >> td
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How conveniently narcissistic for you 
Thanks for sharing.. On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 00:35:23 +0100, "sis" <lowies.pbr…@spray.se> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Dear Anne, >PTSD doesn’t say anything about how you got the symptoms. It only says you >have them. >Lotte >"Anne" <annefaulk…@sprint.ca> skrev i meddelandet >news:vo4mutsujiae0a6t95n9jaojugsu550b7d@4ax.com… >> Oh well.. if you’re cross-posting, I might as well <G> >> I sort of read through some of this thread today.. Get the sense >> that… people from the world.. are trying to equate (bad word to >> use.. that’s not exactly what I mean..) combat-consequent PTSD with.. >> pretty much anything.. that has happened to any of the regulars in >> this PTSD group.. >> maybe the firemen at the WTC.. >> For a long time, before I even met you any of you.. people – and some >> Docs (when I would go..) would tell me.. that they could not >> understand how I survived my life at *all* intact.. that I was.. >> self-parented.. and lucky in that at a few points in my life there >> were "some" good people.. but pretty much.. on my own.. >> and varying levels of trauma.. psychological, sexual.. some sharp >> force trauma (literally – metal <G>) and dog attacks.. beatings, >> whippings.. being in planes catching on fire.. shit like that.. >> Even over the last month, I got a couple of emails asking me if I had >> PTSD.. all I can think when I get them is.. "I dunno.. do I?".. >> because I gotta say.. that when I think of some of the shit you guys >> went through.. in isolated incidents over protracted periods of >> "nothing" inbetween but expectation of the next "incident".. >> and then the coming home.. >> If anybody ever ask me if I have PTSD.. with all my heart.. >> "NO" >> and all the rest "is" a whine.. this ptsd group.. I’m not trying to >> tirviliaze.. I’ve been in more like places similar to them then I care >> to remember but.. it’s not the same.. not at all.. >> but I can see the firemen.. the people that were at.. and still are >> at.. the WTC.. maybe yeah.. critical incident.. extended period of >> time.. no respite.. and always the possiblity of it happening >> "again".. what’s the expression.. >> "gradual erosion".. >> Nobody in this ptsd group (or me) went thorugh *anything* approaching >> the levels you guys did.. we just .. "didn’t". >> Anne >> On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:53:03 GMT, "pmartin" <pmar…@adelphia.net> >> wrote: >> >I had the same problem, just they were real. In a Bunker. >> >Rats were bigger than a real Wild Boar I tell ya. Maybe >> >bigger ! I thought the little Green Snakes as pretty….. >> >I think one unnamed person here would make a pet >> >out of one. The little Lime Green ones ? >> >Think I’ll cross post this one as I had it too, but things >> >just seemed to get worse. So I figured what the hell, get >> >over it. Often the snakes in the grass were men with >> >guns who didn’t like me. >> >From: pmartin <pmar…@adelphia.net> >> >Subject: Of no importance >> >Date: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:27 PM >> >—– Original Message —– >> >From: tiny dancer <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> >> >Newsgroups: alt.support.trauma-ptsd >> >Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:57 AM >> >Subject: No safety >> >> Awoke this morning after a night filled with horrors of snakes and rats >> >> feeding on my body, invading it, all night long. Been hanging on by a >> >> thread for weeks, just can’t seem to take it anymore with out having a >> >safe >> >> place, safe people, to turn to anymore. Pulled up this ng and saw 84 >> >> posts………..have no safety anymore……. >> >> td
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Ah but, in true Hannibal Lector style ever been politely asked to Din-Din by a smiling Bru ? Of course it was just Water Buffalo..right? Is Buffalo a stringy type meat ? Oh of course it is, isn’t it …I seemed to like dark corners suddenly afterwards, chew on wood……some wimmin call me a dirty good for nothing Rat too. No its Buffalo, just after the Newbys ate we told them, ‘you like Rat ?’ Then they got a funny look on their face. Rat is one thing that doesn’t taste like Chicken. Just needs LOTS of salt. Someone in SF must of wrote a, ‘ Your Guide to Gourmet Rat.’ by" RT Rodent." Dak Pek Publishing Co. P.T.Hughes <p.t.hug…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:k82mut0t3c19v3kmjf621l2lvvoenq5qdl@4ax.com… > On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:53:03 GMT, "pmartin" <pmar…@adelphia.net> > wrote: > She wants a rat story, send her to this one. This is a war story > that nobody remembers. I’ll give her a trigger all right.
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/history/marshall/military/vietnam… nh.txt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As for Kraits, it was the bogey man hiding in the closet. 1-2-3 steps > and your dead.
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I know you all do not need my help. I was very violent person and did drink one too many. I found the meds for a bad body helped. PTSD does also come from Physical problems as the VA says. I don’t really think so, as I did it my way. Group therapy will only hurt you. Then say like Anne I too love art. Do one simple thing. then work up and do the best job you can. Try to refinish a chair, then a table and then a room to and then a home. Its self pride. Hard work will tire you then you can sleep well. Or course the* experts* will deny it, I’m just saying try it and see. Concentrate on something to get your mind off this stuff. Full fill your life. Only one life is passed out to you. Some of us got hot on Larry. You must understand this is no Mr. Nice guy NG. Roll with the punches. Ball breakers here use 18 Lb. Sledge hammers. Face it. If you can take our shit you can handle anything. Your hanging out in that ptsd NG is un healthy. I’d drop it and unsubscribe. Do that and you won half the Battle. sis <lowies.pbr…@spray.se> wrote in message
news:oOEG7.2586$y02.8987@nntpserver.swip.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dear Anne, > PTSD doesn’t say anything about how you got the symptoms. It only says you > have them. > Lotte > "Anne" <annefaulk…@sprint.ca> skrev i meddelandet > news:vo4mutsujiae0a6t95n9jaojugsu550b7d@4ax.com… > > Oh well.. if you’re cross-posting, I might as well <G> > > I sort of read through some of this thread today.. Get the sense > > that… people from the world.. are trying to equate (bad word to > > use.. that’s not exactly what I mean..) combat-consequent PTSD with.. > > pretty much anything.. that has happened to any of the regulars in > > this PTSD group.. > > maybe the firemen at the WTC.. > > For a long time, before I even met you any of you.. people – and some > > Docs (when I would go..) would tell me.. that they could not > > understand how I survived my life at *all* intact.. that I was.. > > self-parented.. and lucky in that at a few points in my life there > > were "some" good people.. but pretty much.. on my own.. > > and varying levels of trauma.. psychological, sexual.. some sharp > > force trauma (literally – metal <G>) and dog attacks.. beatings, > > whippings.. being in planes catching on fire.. shit like that.. > > Even over the last month, I got a couple of emails asking me if I had > > PTSD.. all I can think when I get them is.. "I dunno.. do I?".. > > because I gotta say.. that when I think of some of the shit you guys > > went through.. in isolated incidents over protracted periods of > > "nothing" inbetween but expectation of the next "incident".. > > and then the coming home.. > > If anybody ever ask me if I have PTSD.. with all my heart.. > > "NO" > > and all the rest "is" a whine.. this ptsd group.. I’m not trying to > > tirviliaze.. I’ve been in more like places similar to them then I care > > to remember but.. it’s not the same.. not at all.. > > but I can see the firemen.. the people that were at.. and still are > > at.. the WTC.. maybe yeah.. critical incident.. extended period of > > time.. no respite.. and always the possiblity of it happening > > "again".. what’s the expression.. > > "gradual erosion".. > > Nobody in this ptsd group (or me) went thorugh *anything* approaching > > the levels you guys did.. we just .. "didn’t". > > Anne > > On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:53:03 GMT, "pmartin" <pmar…@adelphia.net> > > wrote: > > >I had the same problem, just they were real. In a Bunker. > > >Rats were bigger than a real Wild Boar I tell ya. Maybe > > >bigger ! I thought the little Green Snakes as pretty….. > > >I think one unnamed person here would make a pet > > >out of one. The little Lime Green ones ? > > >Think I’ll cross post this one as I had it too, but things > > >just seemed to get worse. So I figured what the hell, get > > >over it. Often the snakes in the grass were men with > > >guns who didn’t like me. > > >From: pmartin <pmar…@adelphia.net> > > >Subject: Of no importance > > >Date: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:27 PM > > >—– Original Message —– > > >From: tiny dancer <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> > > >Newsgroups: alt.support.trauma-ptsd > > >Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:57 AM > > >Subject: No safety > > >> Awoke this morning after a night filled with horrors of snakes and rats > > >> feeding on my body, invading it, all night long. Been hanging on by a > > >> thread for weeks, just can’t seem to take it anymore with out having a > > >safe > > >> place, safe people, to turn to anymore. Pulled up this ng and saw 84 > > >> posts………..have no safety anymore……. > > >> td
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I get CBC.Beats the US goof news.. Sorry I missed it Thanks Anne, I’ll keep an eye out. Its also in the TV section of my Newspaper. We get all the Canadian News, Movies and Radio stations. One is only a mile and a half from me. ( Bridge St) The Movies made in Canada are getting better than Hollywood. I like the Molson Commercials also. The guy in the Gorge landing area, looks at the US and waves his hand to here, ‘ That Place’ in a somewhat disdain matter.As he grins holding a Molson. One I never seen here is the one on ‘Gacy’ Brian Dennevy<sic> He was in top form on that one. Brian made one very, very scary and sicko Gacy. I dislike the war movies of say 1812 or French and Indian wars. They never use the Real Forts here. Makes it a bit phony. Little censorship of movies, I do not recognize some after Hollywood cuts the hell out of them. Anne <annefaulk…@sprint.ca> wrote in message
news:2vnmutc3m9s0287ar8gflnncft81fmveav@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> JP.. > All this talk about ptsd.. Remember awhile back a bunch of people (me > endlesly) and Joe Doc did as well (better than me..) talked about a > movie.. Regeneration (Behind the Lines in the US).. > If you get CBC.. it’s made it to television.. it’s on right now.. > Joe Doc was right.. it’s the best movie on ptsd I’ve ever seen.. > It’s gorgeous, beautiful.. intelligent.. and here I go on the > accolades again <G> > and you’re right too.. > Anne > On Fri, 09 Nov 2001 03:00:24 GMT, "pmartin" <pmar…@adelphia.net> > wrote: > >I know you all do not need my help. > >I was very violent person and did drink one too many. > >I found the meds for a bad body helped. > >PTSD does also come from Physical problems > >as the VA says. I don’t really think so, as I did it > >my way. Group therapy will only hurt you. > >Then say like Anne I too love art. Do one simple > >thing. then work up and do the best job you can. > >Try to refinish a chair, then a table and then a room to > >and then a home. Its self pride. Hard work will tire you > >then you can sleep well. > >Or course the* experts* will deny it, I’m just saying try it > >and see. > >Concentrate on something to get your mind off this stuff. > >Full fill your life. Only one life is passed out to you. > >Some of us got hot on Larry. You must understand this is > >no Mr. Nice guy NG. Roll with the punches. Ball breakers > >here use 18 Lb. Sledge hammers. > >Face it. If you can take our shit you can handle anything. > >Your hanging out in that ptsd NG is un healthy. > >I’d drop it and unsubscribe. Do that and you won half > >the Battle. > >sis <lowies.pbr…@spray.se> wrote in message > >news:oOEG7.2586$y02.8987@nntpserver.swip.net… > >> Dear Anne, > >> PTSD doesn’t say anything about how you got the symptoms. It only says you > >> have them. > >> Lotte > >> "Anne" <annefaulk…@sprint.ca> skrev i meddelandet > >> news:vo4mutsujiae0a6t95n9jaojugsu550b7d@4ax.com… > >> > Oh well.. if you’re cross-posting, I might as well <G> > >> > I sort of read through some of this thread today.. Get the sense > >> > that… people from the world.. are trying to equate (bad word to > >> > use.. that’s not exactly what I mean..) combat-consequent PTSD with.. > >> > pretty much anything.. that has happened to any of the regulars in > >> > this PTSD group.. > >> > maybe the firemen at the WTC.. > >> > For a long time, before I even met you any of you.. people – and some > >> > Docs (when I would go..) would tell me.. that they could not > >> > understand how I survived my life at *all* intact.. that I was.. > >> > self-parented.. and lucky in that at a few points in my life there > >> > were "some" good people.. but pretty much.. on my own.. > >> > and varying levels of trauma.. psychological, sexual.. some sharp > >> > force trauma (literally – metal <G>) and dog attacks.. beatings, > >> > whippings.. being in planes catching on fire.. shit like that.. > >> > Even over the last month, I got a couple of emails asking me if I had > >> > PTSD.. all I can think when I get them is.. "I dunno.. do I?".. > >> > because I gotta say.. that when I think of some of the shit you guys > >> > went through.. in isolated incidents over protracted periods of > >> > "nothing" inbetween but expectation of the next "incident".. > >> > and then the coming home.. > >> > If anybody ever ask me if I have PTSD.. with all my heart.. > >> > "NO" > >> > and all the rest "is" a whine.. this ptsd group.. I’m not trying to > >> > tirviliaze.. I’ve been in more like places similar to them then I care > >> > to remember but.. it’s not the same.. not at all.. > >> > but I can see the firemen.. the people that were at.. and still are > >> > at.. the WTC.. maybe yeah.. critical incident.. extended period of > >> > time.. no respite.. and always the possiblity of it happening > >> > "again".. what’s the expression.. > >> > "gradual erosion".. > >> > Nobody in this ptsd group (or me) went thorugh *anything* approaching > >> > the levels you guys did.. we just .. "didn’t". > >> > Anne > >> > On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:53:03 GMT, "pmartin" <pmar…@adelphia.net> > >> > wrote: > >> > >I had the same problem, just they were real. In a Bunker. > >> > >Rats were bigger than a real Wild Boar I tell ya. Maybe > >> > >bigger ! I thought the little Green Snakes as pretty….. > >> > >I think one unnamed person here would make a pet > >> > >out of one. The little Lime Green ones ? > >> > >Think I’ll cross post this one as I had it too, but things > >> > >just seemed to get worse. So I figured what the hell, get > >> > >over it. Often the snakes in the grass were men with > >> > >guns who didn’t like me. > >> > >From: pmartin <pmar…@adelphia.net> > >> > >Subject: Of no importance > >> > >Date: Thursday, November 08, 2001 4:27 PM > >> > >—– Original Message —– > >> > >From: tiny dancer <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> > >> > >Newsgroups: alt.support.trauma-ptsd > >> > >Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:57 AM > >> > >Subject: No safety > >> > >> Awoke this morning after a night filled with horrors of snakes and > >rats > >> > >> feeding on my body, invading it, all night long. Been hanging on by > >a > >> > >> thread for weeks, just can’t seem to take it anymore with out having > >a > >> > >safe > >> > >> place, safe people, to turn to anymore. Pulled up this ng and saw 84 > >> > >> posts………..have no safety anymore……. > >> > >> td
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2001 03:00:24 GMT, "pmartin" <pmar…@adelphia.net> wrote: SNIP >Then say like Anne I too love art. Do one simple >thing. then work up and do the best job you can. >Try to refinish a chair, then a table and then a room to >and then a home. Its self pride. Hard work will tire you >then you can sleep well. >Or course the* experts* will deny it, I’m just saying try it >and see. >Concentrate on something to get your mind off this stuff. >Full fill your life. Only one life is passed out to you.
SNIP *************************************************** Speaking from experience I have to agree with you. The Redhead has done more for me about PTSD than the VA ever did. I had never heard of PTSD until a counselor in Los Angeles, hearing about some of my experiences asked if I was seeing anyone at the VA about that. Later, meeting the Redhead, first, she would not take too much crap. Suggested work —in my case, yardwork; as I can not run, then walking; finally, finding an opportunity to help others at a Food Kitchen for the homeless once a week or so. My sleep pattern may be distorted from normal but, with her help, I have been able to rest, to sleep much, much more. —Mac
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On 09 Nov 2001 11:07:45 GMT, ah…@aol.com (Ahote) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<snip> >>> "Anne" said >>people from the world.. are trying to equate (bad word to >>> > use.. that’s not exactly what I mean..) combat-consequent PTSD with.. >>> > pretty much anything.. that has happened to any of the regulars in >>> > this PTSD group.. >You are trying to say that. >Your argument is not with us but with the DSMV. >> lucky in that at a few points in my life there >>> > were "some" good people.. >Hallelujah! >Maybe you could sponser me while I run through the ecstasy trials. >>> because I gotta say.. that when I think of some of the shit you guys >>> > went through.. in isolated incidents over protracted periods of >>> > "nothing" inbetween but expectation of the next "incident".. >>> > and then the coming home.. >I thought that was why you of all would understand. >>I’ve been in more like places similar to them then I care >>> > to remember but.. it’s not the same.. not at all.. >You are not the judge. >Soon enough and the clock ticks on.
Granted I am on the first coffee but it appears to me that you are selectively quoting me.. ah well.. or maybe it’s the quotation marks that have got messed up.. anyway.. the only point I’m trying to make.. is that.. people here ("in the world" fo lack of a better phrase.. and I include myself.. as opposed to combat-acquired PTSD.. there is just no frame of reference beyond the "words of the descriptions".. I was talking to someone about this last nght.. and what I said was.. No matter has happened to me.. I have "not" gone through the Pacific War, I was not a Normandy, I was not at Khe Sanh, I was not Laos, Cambodia, VietNam, Burma WW2.. I have not gone through "that".. and this really is no comparison.. and, for me.. compared to that that.. "everything" is a whine (and I whine myself on occasion.. but I never thnk it’s .. the "same" as what they went through.. it just "isn’t").. It is certainly not the same in effect/degree for so many.. not in my experience with people I’ve known.. civilians and vets.. I don’t know where you are.. but you really see that movie I was talking to JP about.. Regeneration (Canada/UK) released as "Behind the Lines" in the US.. and then.. like JP says.. get on with your life…. and stop wallowing in it.. becuase it won’t help.. you just go round and round in circles.. that lead nowhere.. That’s all Anne
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and by the way.. of course they (the vets) understand.. that’s why they are saying.. stop whining about it and get on with your life.. JP is absolutely right.. He gave you some of the best advice you’ll ever get.. On Fri, 09 Nov 2001 07:35:51 -0500, Anne <annefaulk…@sprint.ca> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->On 09 Nov 2001 11:07:45 GMT, ah…@aol.com (Ahote) wrote: ><snip> >>>> "Anne" said >>>people from the world.. are trying to equate (bad word to >>>> > use.. that’s not exactly what I mean..) combat-consequent PTSD with.. >>>> > pretty much anything.. that has happened to any of the regulars in >>>> > this PTSD group.. >>You are trying to say that. >>Your argument is not with us but with the DSMV. >>> lucky in that at a few points in my life there >>>> > were "some" good people.. >>Hallelujah! >>Maybe you could sponser me while I run through the ecstasy trials. >>>> because I gotta say.. that when I think of some of the shit you guys >>>> > went through.. in isolated incidents over protracted periods of >>>> > "nothing" inbetween but expectation of the next "incident".. >>>> > and then the coming home.. >>I thought that was why you of all would understand. >>>I’ve been in more like places similar to them then I care >>>> > to remember but.. it’s not the same.. not at all.. >>You are not the judge. >>Soon enough and the clock ticks on. >Granted I am on the first coffee but it appears to me that you are >selectively quoting me.. ah well.. >or maybe it’s the quotation marks that have got messed up.. >anyway.. the only point I’m trying to make.. is that.. people here >("in the world" fo lack of a better phrase.. and I include myself.. as >opposed to combat-acquired PTSD.. there is just no frame of reference >beyond the "words of the descriptions".. >I was talking to someone about this last nght.. and what I said was.. >No matter has happened to me.. I have "not" gone through the Pacific >War, I was not a Normandy, I was not at Khe Sanh, I was not Laos, >Cambodia, VietNam, Burma WW2.. I have not gone through "that".. and >this really is no comparison.. and, for me.. compared to that that.. >"everything" is a whine (and I whine myself on occasion.. but I never >thnk it’s .. the "same" as what they went through.. it just "isn’t").. >It is certainly not the same in effect/degree for so many.. not in my >experience with people I’ve known.. civilians and vets.. >I don’t know where you are.. but you really see that movie I was >talking to JP about.. Regeneration (Canada/UK) released as "Behind the >Lines" in the US.. >and then.. like JP says.. get on with your life…. and stop wallowing >in it.. becuase it won’t help.. you just go round and round in >circles.. that lead nowhere.. >That’s all >Anne
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Hi Anne! > and by the way.. of course they (the vets) understand.. that’s why > they are saying.. stop whining about it and get on with your life..
Actually, here is one vet who does not understand you … at all. It seems to me that you are more like a ‘groupie’ for the vets than anything else. > JP is absolutely right.. He gave you some of the best advice you’ll > ever get..
Advice is ’shoulds’. We in PTSD recovery do NOT deal well with ’shoulds’, ‘what ifs’ and the like. You might keep this in mind. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy
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On 09 Nov 2001 22:02:34 GMT, "Nancy" <ki…@cris.com> wrote: >Hi Anne! >> and by the way.. of course they (the vets) understand.. that’s why >> they are saying.. stop whining about it and get on with your life.. >Actually, here is one vet who does not understand you … at all. > It seems >to me that you are more like a ‘groupie’ for the vets than anything else.
Groupie LOLOL I can any one of a number of people that this is.. and "Nancy" is the perfect alias LMAO <snip> the bullshit.. >Nancy
have a nice day "Nancy" boy LMAO
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Anne, Your crossposting has been widespread ahsn’t it and for days.<G> >Nobody in this ptsd group (or me) went thorugh *anything* approaching
the levels you guys did.. we just .. "didn’t". Anne You have no right nor do you have the qualifications to judge who will suffer ptsd psychiatric illness. My parents were captured and tortured, mother raped by German soldiers and plenty of other atrocities. She/they do not have ptsd. Those firefighters at the WTC are brilliant but not all if any will suffer ptsd syndrome. Post trauma care and counselling has improved with the research that has been done about ptsd. FYI.:-) Helski
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Actually, here is one vet who does not understand you … at all. It seems to me that you are more like a ‘groupie’ for the vets than anything else. Yes with one view- ptsd can only be acquired from war or war like situations.A wee bit of denial here. Helski
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Anne You said:quote: It is not a pissing contest.!!! Ever heard repect should be earned………….think about it you dullard. Your competitiveness is SO f*kin boring. Ho hum helski
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Anne prattles on: Helski wrote: >My parents were captured and tortured, mother raped by German soldiers and >plenty of other atrocities. >She/they do not have ptsd.
Anne: Some people who went through that do.. This isn’t a pissing contest and I have absolutely no reason to respect you enough to talk to you.. Some people went thru that and do……that is a given . Thanks for informing me of that!!!! f*ck* You are talking to someone who has complex ptsd and vets for friends and a large family who live in Bosnia and Croatia. My cousin’s husband was shot dead aged 26 at the beginning of that war. My aunty lives in a shack with cardboard wall lining- walks for miles for containers of fresh water every second day and has no electicity…..I won’t go on. Your narrow views do not interest me You are a waste of my energy…………* plonk* Helski
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Anne: it’s Nov 11th on Sunday.. and I’m going to kill-file ‘em all.. there’s things that "really" matter.. Best decision you have made dear!Try sticking to it. helski
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I thought the same thing actually – or at least a sock puppet because what woman in todays world would compare her suffering to a vet’s as if she were invalidated somehow this isn’t a contest to see who has suffered the most – I wonder if any nam vet suffered as much as these people http://www.pathfinder.com/photo/essay/mylai/mylai08.htm — RB gli angeli sono caduto da cielo come pioggia "Anne" <annefaulk…@sprint.ca> wrote in message
news:t4noutk9vm8lu75686pdg8sfc58hfdvadl@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On 09 Nov 2001 22:02:34 GMT, "Nancy" <ki…@cris.com> wrote: > >Hi Anne! > >> and by the way.. of course they (the vets) understand.. that’s why > >> they are saying.. stop whining about it and get on with your life.. > >Actually, here is one vet who does not understand you … at all. > > It seems > >to me that you are more like a ‘groupie’ for the vets than anything else. > Groupie LOLOL > I can any one of a number of people that this is.. and "Nancy" is the > perfect alias LMAO > <snip> the bullshit.. > >Nancy > have a nice day "Nancy" boy LMAO
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Rudi, I had a look at that site…………. Devastating. 
Helski
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In article <ngjnut8p039elh9rh27qsga1ks3vn1c…@4ax.com>, Anne says… >and by the way.. of course they (the vets) understand.. that’s why >they are saying.. stop whining about it and get on with your life..
I’ve been seeing alot of this "stop whining and get over it" lately and I have to ask one question. A person with PTSD suffers from symptoms such as – headaches, fatique, nightmares, severe anxiety, lack of concentration, lack of appetite, insomnia – very physical symptoms that a person suffering from, say, cancer may have — is a person with leukemia "whining" when they complain about their fatique?? So, how do you "stop whining" and "get on with your life"? Do I stop telling people in this "support group" that I’ve been having a rash of nightmares? Do I stop telling my doctor that my fatique is so bad that for a week I couldn’t leave my home? Should I not talk about the anxiety or concentration and how it affects my daily life? Why should talking about what has gone on in my life in this "support group" be considered "whining"? Please tell me – where do you expect us to go in order to "get on with our lives?" Is there a job out there that will hire someone who doesn’t have the energy or concentration to maintain an eight hour shift — much like a cancer patient. But like a cancer patient….one day these symptoms will be subside to the point that we can cope with them and won’t need to "whine" about them quite as much. But just as a person who has just been diagnosed with cancer needs to look for people to talk to, to "whine" to – a person who is going through a difficult period of time with PTSD needs the support just as much. Is the fact that our condition is a "head" condition that is less understood make us any less sick than someone with leukemia? Heck, there was a time when leprosy was not understood. Would anyone here go to a cancer support group and tell anyone there to "stop whining and get on with life"? I doubt it. I am a vet and with all due respect to the macho soldiers who think we can ‘get on with life’, some of us can’t right now – THAT is why we are here, now. .
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hard to tell who you’re talking to helski – they have more sock puppets than sesame street — RB gli angeli sono caduto da cielo come pioggia "helski" <hel…@idl.net.au> wrote in message
news:1005366147.531863@bigboy… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Anne prattles on: > Helski wrote: > >My parents were captured and tortured, mother raped by German soldiers and > >plenty of other atrocities. > >She/they do not have ptsd. > Anne: > Some people who went through that do.. This isn’t a pissing contest > and I have absolutely no reason to respect you enough to talk to you.. > Some people went thru that and do……that is a given . > Thanks for informing me of that!!!! f*ck* > You are talking to someone who has complex ptsd and vets for friends and a > large family who live in Bosnia and Croatia. > My cousin’s husband was shot dead aged 26 at the beginning of that war. > My aunty lives in a shack with cardboard wall lining- walks for miles for > containers of fresh water every second day and has no electicity…..I won’t > go on. > Your narrow views do not interest me > You are a waste of my energy…………* plonk* > Helski
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Yea rudi i figured as much. H
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