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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Hi, I am responding to silver fox, I hope you will not get mad. I guess I should say I don’t care (because that is not worrying) I can tell you this much what is social anxiety? It is a fear of people right? That is the bottom line! I am talking strictly about SA quit being afraid of people and it will go away that is the bottom line for SA there are many other techniques that go with recovery but ultimately that is what will make it go away, I can’t see it being any different for anybody with strictly SA, maybe you can enlighten me? I am not trying to be fesecious I am always very open minded but if you can prove to me that SA is anything other than a fear of people I am all ears. Thanks for responding to my post, Jerry Hi Jeff, Social anxiety is much more complex than *just* being afraid of other people. I am an agoraphobic, when my disorder is really bad I have a hard time going to stores, banks……really anywhere. You will hear agoraphobics say *I am afraid of going to the supermarket*, they really aren`t afraid of the store, they fear an anxiety or panic reaction while they are at the store. It really is fear of fear. Social phobics fear humilation or embarrassment in social situations, they feel they are scruntinized by others. Then they have to deal with very uncomfortable physical symptoms. With most anxiety and panic disorders, the fear is not due to anything external in our enviroment( exceptions with PTSD ), most of our fears are internally based. ~*~Social phobia, also called social anxiety, is a disorder characterized by overwhelming anxiety and excessive self-consciousness in everyday social situations. People with social phobia have a persistent, intense, and chronic fear of being watched and judged by others and of being embarrassed or humiliated by their own actions. Their fear may be so severe that it interferes with work or school – and other ordinary activities. While many people with social phobia recognize that their fear of being around people may be excessive or unreasonable, they are unable to overcome it. They often worry for days or weeks in advance of a dreaded situation~*~ http://panicdisorder.about.com/library/weekly/aa980218.htm I feel you are being quite arrogant when you say *quit being afraid of people and it will go away*. I suggest you go to the social anxiety newsgroup and make that suggestion there, I can quarantee they won`t appreciate it. Getting over any anxiety disorder is not as simple as you imply.  And if we could all stop being afraid then there would be no anxiety and panic disorders. The question is how to stop being so fearful, and the answer isn`t just *stop*. When you imply that is all you have to do, you minimize everyones disorder and it gives them a sense of *I must be doing something wrong*. I don`t see any compassion on your part, just annoyance that people didn`t flock to your intial post with open arms and then telling us that it really is so easy to stop being afraid.  Maybe you need to educate yourself on anxiety and panic disorder, I don`t say that out of anger, it just seems you are a little naive about certain aspects of anxiety and panic. Jackie

hi jerry, jackie is right.  its a little more complex than you make it sound. donny

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Hi, I am responding to silver fox, I hope you will not get mad. I guess I should say I don’t care (because that is not worrying) I can tell you this much what is social anxiety? It is a fear of people right? That is the bottom line! I am talking strictly about SA quit being afraid of people and it will go away that is the bottom line for SA there are many other techniques that go with recovery but ultimately that is what will make it go away, I can’t see it being any different for anybody with strictly SA, maybe you can enlighten me? I am not trying to be fesecious I am always very open minded but if you can prove to me that SA is anything other than a fear of people I am all ears. Thanks for responding to my post, Jerry

Hi Jeff, Social anxiety is much more complex than *just* being afraid of other people. I am an agoraphobic, when my disorder is really bad I have a hard time going to stores, banks……really anywhere. You will hear agoraphobics say *I am afraid of going to the supermarket*, they really aren`t afraid of the store, they fear an anxiety or panic reaction while they are at the store. It really is fear of fear. Social phobics fear humilation or embarrassment in social situations, they feel they are scruntinized by others. Then they have to deal with very uncomfortable physical symptoms. With most anxiety and panic disorders, the fear is not due to anything external in our enviroment( exceptions with PTSD ), most of our fears are internally based. ~*~Social phobia, also called social anxiety, is a disorder characterized by overwhelming anxiety and excessive self-consciousness in everyday social situations. People with social phobia have a persistent, intense, and chronic fear of being watched and judged by others and of being embarrassed or humiliated by their own actions. Their fear may be so severe that it interferes with work or school – and other ordinary activities. While many people with social phobia recognize that their fear of being around people may be excessive or unreasonable, they are unable to overcome it. They often worry for days or weeks in advance of a dreaded situation~*~ http://panicdisorder.about.com/library/weekly/aa980218.htm I feel you are being quite arrogant when you say *quit being afraid of people and it will go away*. I suggest you go to the social anxiety newsgroup and make that suggestion there, I can quarantee they won`t appreciate it. Getting over any anxiety disorder is not as simple as you imply.  And if we could all stop being afraid then there would be no anxiety and panic disorders. The question is how to stop being so fearful, and the answer isn`t just *stop*. When you imply that is all you have to do, you minimize everyones disorder and it gives them a sense of *I must be doing something wrong*. I don`t see any compassion on your part, just annoyance that people didn`t flock to your intial post with open arms and then telling us that it really is so easy to stop being afraid.  Maybe you need to educate yourself on anxiety and panic disorder, I don`t say that out of anger, it just seems you are a little naive about certain aspects of anxiety and panic. Jackie Before you buy.

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Dear Jerry, I know you mean it with all good intentions, but the truth is nobody really "knows" how to recover from this disorder…meaning no one has the answer for everyone.  I am in recovery, but what worked for me may not work for you for many reasons.  We are all different and we respect that each one has different ways they have chosen to deal with PD/AD.  I have all of Weekes’ books, but they were written many years ago and there have been tremendous strides made in treatment of our disorder.  Thank you for bringing her to our attention, but to say you have "the" answer is in poor taste.  If what you suggest  doesn’t work for some one who is in the pits, can you not see how discouraging it would be for them?  If you really want to help, respond to the posts, tell what works for you, but please, do not say you have the answer for everyone. Rita – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Hi everyone I am new to ths board and have not recieved but two responses to my posts? I know how to recover from this horrible disorder and I can explain it step by step, I am wandering why No one is interested? I would have to believe that someone who has recovered could be very helpful to others with this disorder! I am doing this because I am a fixer (so I have been told) also because I know the horror you are all going through!!Does anyone here really want to recover posts?????? I am ere to help and to learn but I am about to leave, I am not a spammer, I would not leave my e-mail addy here if I don’t know if it apply’s to everyone here but I have to feel it does, you are afraid of what people will think of wht you say or your actions, today when I was at work mybosses little girl was following me around, it made me nervous and then I got to thinking so what she is a kid, anyways it is all the way you percieve what people think of you and well I have to go I have company I REALLY want to help you people because I know what you are going thru but if I do not recievesome input I wil Disappear, Jerry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Jerry, I know you mean it with all good intentions, but the truth is nobody really "knows" how to recover from this disorder…meaning no one has the answer for everyone.  I am in recovery, but what worked for me may not work for you for many reasons.  We are all different and we respect that each one has different ways they have chosen to deal with PD/AD.  I have all of Weekes’ books, but they were written many years ago and there have been tremendous strides made in treatment of our disorder.  Thank you for bringing her to our attention, but to say you have "the" answer is in poor taste.  If what you suggest  doesn’t work for some one who is in the pits, can you not see how discouraging it would be for them?  If you really want to help, respond to the posts, tell what works for you, but please, do not say you have the answer for everyone. Rita   Hi everyone I am new to ths board and have not recieved but two responses to my posts? I know how to recover from this horrible disorder and I can explain it step by step, I am wandering why No one is interested? I would have to believe that someone who has recovered could be very helpful to others with this disorder! I am doing this because I am a fixer (so I have been told) also because I know the horror you are all going through!!Does anyone here really want to recover posts?????? I am ere to help and to learn but I am about to leave, I am not a spammer, I would not leave my e-mail addy here if I don’t know if it apply’s to everyone here but I have to feel it does, you are afraid of what people will think of wht you say or your actions, today when I was at work mybosses little girl was following me around, it made me nervous and then I got to thinking so what she is a kid, anyways it is all the way you percieve what people think of you and well I have to go I have company I REALLY want to help you people because I know what you are going thru but if I do not recievesome input I wil Disappear, Jerry nobody has the correct answers for everybody.  I have read about 10 books on

panic and they basically same pretty much the same thing.  I read those books because my doctors didnt really talk about donny freaking in walmart.  the books helped me understand what was happenning to me.  you cant fear panic you have to face it.  what do you say JERRY? donny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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o.k….desperate need of help. what do i do?

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: Dear Jerry, I know you mean it with all good intentions, but the truth : is nobody really "knows" how to recover from this disorder…meaning no : one has the answer for everyone.  I am in recovery, but what worked for : me may not work for you for many reasons.  We are all different and we : respect that each one has different ways they have chosen to deal with : PD/AD.  I have all of Weekes’ books, but they were written many years : ago and there have been tremendous strides made in treatment of our : disorder.  Thank you for bringing her to our attention, but to say you : have "the" answer is in poor taste.  If what you suggest  doesn’t work : for some one who is in the pits, can you not see how discouraging it : would be for them?  If you really want to help, respond to the posts, : tell what works for you, but please, do not say you have the answer for : everyone. : : Rita Well said Rita. Best Wishes, Arthur

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 Hi, I am responding to silver fox, I hope you will not get mad. I guess I should say I don’t care (because that is not worrying) I can tell you this much what is social anxiety? It is a fear of people right? That is the bottom line! I am talking strictly about SA quit being afraid of people and it will go away that is the bottom line for SA there are many other techniques that go with recovery but ultimately that is what will make it go away, I can’t see it being any different for anybody with strictly SA, maybe you can enlighten me? I am not trying to be fesecious I am always very open minded but if you can prove to me that SA is anything other than a fear of people I am all ears. Thanks for responding to my post, Jerry

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Jerry,   Not everyone can get your post, some have to go through Deja or another server and it is difficult sorting through a ton of posts per day as this group has many.  Don’t take it personally. I am sure if you stick around and also post support to others, you will get responses.  Cheryl — TC3

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Hi everyone I am new to ths board and have not recieved but two responses to my posts? I know how to recover from this horrible disorder and I can explain it step by step, I am wandering why No one is interested? I would have to believe that someone who has recovered could be very helpful to others with this disorder! I am doing this because I am a fixer (so I have been told) also because I know the horror you are all going through!!Does anyone here really want to recover I am ere to help and to learn but I am about to leave, I am not a spammer, I would not leave my e-mail addy here if I don’t know if it apply’s to everyone here but I have to feel it does, you are afraid of what people will think of wht you say or your actions, today when I was at work mybosses little girl was following me around, it made me nervous and then I got to thinking so what she is a kid, anyways it is all the way you percieve what people think of you and well I have to go I have company I REALLY want to help you people because I know what you are going thru but if I do not recievesome input I wil Disappear, Jerry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone I am new to ths board and have not recieved but two responses to my posts? I know how to recover from this horrible disorder and I can explain it step by step, I am wandering why No one is interested? I would have to believe that someone who has recovered could be very helpful to others with this disorder! I am doing this because I am a fixer (so I have been told) also because I know the horror you are all going through!!Does anyone here really want to recover I am ere to help and to learn but I am about to leave, I am not a spammer, I would not leave my e-mail addy here if I don’t know if it apply’s to everyone here but I have to feel it does, you are afraid of what people will think of wht you say or your actions, today when I was at work mybosses little girl was following me around, it made me nervous and then I got to thinking so what she is a kid, anyways it is all the way you percieve what people think of you and well I have to go I have company I REALLY want to help you people because I know what you are going thru but if I do not recievesome input I wil Disappear, Jerry

Dear Jerry, Welcome to ASAP!! I read your first post from the other day and I can only explain why I didn`t reply and that was because I have done a few of the things you have suggested and I still have an anxiety disorder. One of the first books I ever read on anxiety disorders was a Claire Weeks book, I have read all of them a matter of fact, many times over. While I got a great amount of comfort from her books, I can`t say that they made a big impact on my recovery. However, I don`t discount that many people have been greatly helped by her books and that is what counts. There is no one way of treating this disorder that will help "everybody". Some people need to be on meds, others do well with CBT, and then others do well with a combination of both. I am very happy for you that you are doing so well, I wish you continued success in your recovery. Please don`t leave, if you feel you can help someone, then reply to a post of theirs and offer support and tell of your experiences with this disorder. Take care Jackie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone I am new to ths board and have not recieved but two responses to my posts? I know how to recover from this horrible disorder and I can explain it step by step, I am wandering why No one is interested? I would have to believe that someone who has recovered could be very helpful to others with this disorder! I am doing this because I am a fixer (so I have been told) also because I know the horror you are all going through!!Does anyone here really want to recover I am ere to help and to learn but I am about to leave, I am not a spammer, I would not leave my e-mail addy here if I don’t know if it apply’s to everyone here but I have to feel it does, you are afraid of what people will think of wht you say or your actions, today when I was at work mybosses little girl was following me around, it made me nervous and then I got to thinking so what she is a kid, anyways it is all the way you percieve what people think of you and well I have to go I have company I REALLY want to help you people because I know what you are going thru but if I do not recievesome input I wil Disappear, Jerry Dear Jerry, Welcome to ASAP!! I read your first post from the other day and I can only explain why I didn`t reply and that was because I have done a few of the things you have suggested and I still have an anxiety disorder. One of the first books I ever read on anxiety disorders was a Claire Weeks book, I have read all of them a matter of fact, many times over. While I got a great amount of comfort from her books, I can`t say that they made a big impact on my recovery. However, I don`t discount that many people have been greatly helped by her books and that is what counts. There is no one way of treating this disorder that will help "everybody". Some people need to be on meds, others do well with CBT, and then others do well with a combination of both. I am very happy for you that you are doing so well, I wish you continued success in your recovery. Please don`t leave, if you feel you can help someone, then reply to a post of theirs and offer support and tell of your experiences with this disorder. Take care Jackie for me it was a combo of both.  the meds and CBT DONNY

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  Hi everyone I am new to ths board and have not recieved but two responses to my posts? I know how to recover from this horrible disorder and I can explain it step by step, I am wandering why No one is interested? I would have to believe that someone who has recovered could be very helpful to others with this disorder! I am doing this because I am a fixer (so I have been told) also because I know the horror you are all going through!!Does anyone here really want to recover I am ere to help and to learn but I am about to leave, I am not a spammer, I would not leave my e-mail addy here if I don’t know if it apply’s to everyone here but I have to feel it does, you are afraid of what people will think of wht you say or your actions, today when I was at work mybosses little girl was following me around, it made me nervous and then I got to thinking so what she is a kid, anyways it is all the way you percieve what people think of you and well I have to go I have company I REALLY want to help you people because I know what you are going thru but if I do not recievesome input I wil Disappear, Jerry

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