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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking at the PDR: DHE-45 and Imitrex don’t mention interactions with alcohol. Propoxyphene literature warns usage in persons who use "alcohol in excess", and that alcohol adds the CNS depressant effect but it doesn’t state that you should avoid alcohol, just to be aware of its effects. Corgard (Nadolol) literature in the PDR doesn’t mention alcohol at all I’m sorry if I offended you, but I just wanted to get the facts straight. There are so many misconceptions about migraines that it behooves us to be accurate when we can. Your statement was innacurate. Mark, You sure are arrogant! Especially for someone that flies little helicopters in the snow! While imitrex and alcohol may not kill you the alcohol can intensify the effects! The point she was making (and now I am too) is that it is just not to smart about mixing alcohol and any medications…. course in your case if it will soften your tongue I might even say it was a good idea! Karen
Karen,, you insist on trying to provoke me with your ignorance. Is your statement about model aircraft supposed to belittle me? Do you think I’m ashamed of my hobbies, considering that I’ve put the effort to advertise it in my web page? Please enlighten us about these effects of Imitrex that are intensified with alcohol. I would love to see you back up your claims with facts JUST ONCE! Why do you think that it isn’t smart to mix alcohol with any drug? If you want to exchange theory, unconfirmed rumors and/or opinion, please state it as such. It’s not that hard… Preface it with "I think", or "I heard (from source optional)" or "In my opinon". Previously you stated regarding Imigran: It may not be laxative but you can bet that the quality control during the manufacturing may not be as tight as the requirements here in the US.
You said "You can bet" as if it’s a sure thing. You are saying that without a doubt that quality control is lower for non-US Imigran. You come across as an ignorant, uneducated loudmouth who resorts to insults like "Fuck you", and "Bite Me" to cover your lack of intelligence. Remember you are addressing an audience here that would fill a small auditorium. If you are brave and/or crazy enough state "It is not a good idea to mix alcohol with ANY meds", go ahead, but you WILL be asked to prove it. If you were considerate enough to qualify the above statment with "I think" or "I heard", this is fine, it will still undoubtly be discussed as many others KNOW it is not so and don’t want to see misinformation spread. Try to respond to this with a bit of intelligence, and not another hormonal outburst. Better yet, don’t respond at all.
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Oh Joy A migriane and the gospel according to St Mark all in one day I’m soooo excited! Karen,, you insist on trying to provoke me with your ignorance.
it’s not my ignorance that is provoking you rather it seems to be the fact trhat someone (god forbid) should challenge your notions…and Mark they should be challenged. Is your statement about model aircraft supposed to belittle me? Do you think I’m ashamed of my hobbies, considering that I’ve put the effort to advertise it in my web page?
Well I have a web page too…you ought to go there some tim you may just learn something. As for your model aircraft…I can tell you the last thing I want to hear when I have a migraine is one of those little things buzzing around. So Mark….how many migraines do you get…or do you get migraines…or are you just here to cause problems? It’s funny see you mention webpages…I have put my life out for all to see on my webpages…and they have been a great support for many people not only from this newsgroup but many others…and yet on yours….it didn’t mention one word about you suffering from chronic pain on your bio page. Please enlighten us about these effects of Imitrex that are intensified with alcohol. I would love to see you back up your claims with facts JUST ONCE!
Fine here ya go! According to "The Essential Guide To Prescription Drugs" copyright 1998 by James J. Rybacki, Pharm.D. and James W Long M.D on page 902 where they are talking about imitrex it says and I quote: "Alcohol: May cause additive sedation. Alcohol may also be a precipitating factor for migraine" happy now? Now please show me any medication, any one mark, that says ‘DRINK ALCOHOL WITH THIS MEDICATION". Personally, I don’t think you can But hey give it your best shot Why do you think that it isn’t smart to mix alcohol with any drug? If you want to exchange theory, unconfirmed rumors and/or opinion, please state it as such. It’s not that hard… Preface it with "I think", or "I heard (from source optional)" or "In my opinon".
when I am stating my opinions I do try to do that. Whe I am stating my experiences I do that…when I know something to be a fact i.e., depakote can cause liver function abnormalities and weekly liver function tests are recommended by the manufacturer (would you also like me to tell you where I found this? HJow about want to know my sPGOT test result?) I dont’ feel I need to do that. and when it comes to alcohol and meds they just don’t mix! Remember Karen Quinlain???? Previously you stated regarding Imigran: It may not be laxative but you can bet that the quality control during the manufacturing may not be as tight as the requirements here in the US.
see this is where you are wrong…I did not state the imitrex had a quality control problem at all…what I did say was that if you are out "scoring drugs" then you are running a very big risk of the above statement….get yoru facts straight…especially if you want a war with me! You said "You can bet" as if it’s a sure thing. You are saying that without a doubt that quality control is lower for non-US Imigran.
Nope didn’t say that said that you can bet "scroed drugs" certainly do. Course now you have twisted and cut and snipped to your little hearts delight to arrange things to sound like something I didn’t say… like I care You come across as an ignorant, uneducated loudmouth who resorts to insults like "Fuck you", and "Bite Me" to cover your lack of intelligence.
well I haven’t said fuck you yet…and I am absolutely positive to you I wouldn’t say such a thing…the idea simply makes my skin crawl! Bite me…yep I said that…. Remember you are addressing an audience here that would fill a small auditorium. If you are brave and/or crazy enough state "It is not a good idea to mix alcohol with ANY meds", go ahead, but you WILL be asked to prove it.
Well I’m brave enough and I will stand by that! I quit drinking completely because of what my medications state, what my doctor stated, and what my pharmacist told me…if YOU choose to not ask, not listen, or not follow their advice that’s your problem. And you asked me to back it up I did…and now you want to call me crazy? Oh I dont’ think so. Depressed sometimes, I live with PTSD, and panic-anxiety attacks…but crazy i am not! You know what I am mark…I am a survivor and I can promise you that if I had been mixing my medications with alcohol at this point I wouldn’t be! If you were considerate enough to qualify the above statment with "I think" or "I heard", this is fine, it will still undoubtly be discussed as many others KNOW it is not so and don’t want to see misinformation spread.
prove it…show me that medication that says take alcohol with me! Try to respond to this with a bit of intelligence, and not another hormonal outburst. Better yet, don’t respond at all.
hormonal outburst???? noooo wrong time of the month can you imagine what a bitch I am when it is hormonal??? amd as far as intelligence mark…prior to my getting sick I was a straight A premed student … can you say the same? and take your own dvice Mark…dont’ respond Karen http://www.softcom.net/users/wavsrus/karen.html
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Mark….I fail to see what harm it would cause to say "It is not a good idea to mix alcohol with ANY meds". You think you found where it says it is okay to mix the two with a few. I say big deal. Why mix alcohol with pills, whether it is "okay" or not? If alcohol gives someone a headache, me for one, why drink? Unless one does not mind having a headache. AND, I do not recall Karen ever saying "fuck you" to anyone on this support group. If she did say it to you in email, then keep it in email. ~Lisa
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My understanding is that the PDR is just a compilation of the information which the pharmaceutical companies have provided about their products. Not an unbiased collection. T’ain’t the Word of God. Priscilla
Got that right Priscilla it can’t be the word of God….St. Mark didn’t write it! Karen
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: Secondly, there have been reports of errors and omissions in the PDR. Just : because it doesn’t list "Do not mix with alcolhol" doesn’t mean it’s a good : idea. These reports are in discussions in this newsgroup and can be found in : dejanews. : If you called the publishers of the PDR, and asked them if they can guarantee : that if it’s not listed, you can drink alcohol with the med, do you really : think they will say yes? My understanding is that the PDR is just a compilation of the information which the pharmaceutical companies have provided about their products. Not an unbiased collection. T’ain’t the Word of God. Priscilla
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mark if you know somthing about mixing alcohol and medications why not share some of that info along with your sarcasim? ~Lisa OK. Looking at the PDR: DHE-45 and Imitrex don’t mention interactions with alcohol. Propoxyphene literature warns usage in persons who use "alcohol in excess", and that alcohol adds the CNS depressant effect but it doesn’t state that you should avoid alcohol, just to be aware of its effects. Corgard (Nadolol) literature in the PDR doesn’t mention alcohol at all I’m sorry if I offended you, but I just wanted to get the facts straight. There are so many misconceptions about migraines that it behooves us to be accurate when we can. Your statement was innacurate.
Mark, You sure are arrogant! Especially for someone that flies little helicopters in the snow! While imitrex and alcohol may not kill you the alcohol can intensify the effects! The point she was making (and now I am too) is that it is just not to smart about mixing alcohol and any medications…. course in your case if it will soften your tongue I might even say it was a good idea! Karen
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Thanks Mark…I was not offended. I will try not to be so vague in future posts. I should have said "many" meds not ANY meds. I, too, am sorry. ~Lisa
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writes: OK. Looking at the PDR: DHE-45 and Imitrex don’t mention interactions with alcohol.
Propoxyphene literature warns usage in persons who use "alcohol in
excess", and that alcohol adds the CNS depressant effect but it doesn’t state that you should avoid alcohol, just to be aware of its
effects. Corgard (Nadolol) literature in the PDR doesn’t mention alcohol at
all I’m sorry if I offended you, but I just wanted to get the facts
straight. There are so many misconceptions about migraines that it
behooves us to be accurate when we can. Your statement was innacurate. Mark, First of all, this is Lisa’s statement: "Denny wrote everytime I drink beer So if you get a headache from beer, why drink it? It is not such a good idea to mix any meds with alcohol. ~Lisa" What part is inaccurate? Are you saying, as a blanket statement, that it IS good to mix alcohol with any meds? Hmmmm. Wonder if the surgeon General would concur? Which *ONE* exactly, do you think is good to mix. I would like to know. Maybe there is a new treatment plan you can suggest. Lets see, is it *good* to mix alcohol and say….Orange Juice (vitamin C). I know it tastes good, but are you saying it is *good* for you? Can you site any studies? I know there are studies that a little wine every day does have some good effects on health. Exactly which medication should we mix with that to make it a *good* or better combination? Secondly, there have been reports of errors and omissions in the PDR. Just because it doesn’t list "Do not mix with alcolhol" doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. These reports are in discussions in this newsgroup and can be found in dejanews. If you called the publishers of the PDR, and asked them if they can guarantee that if it’s not listed, you can drink alcohol with the med, do you really think they will say yes? Sorry, I’m not going to call them. I drink, but I quit trying to convince myself that it was *good* for me when I was about 16 years old. Happy New Year!!!! Bob
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Mark if you know somthing about mixing alcohol and medications why not share some of that info along with your sarcasim? ~Lisa
OK. Looking at the PDR: DHE-45 and Imitrex don’t mention interactions with alcohol. Propoxyphene literature warns usage in persons who use "alcohol in excess", and that alcohol adds the CNS depressant effect but it doesn’t state that you should avoid alcohol, just to be aware of its effects. Corgard (Nadolol) literature in the PDR doesn’t mention alcohol at all I’m sorry if I offended you, but I just wanted to get the facts straight. There are so many misconceptions about migraines that it behooves us to be accurate when we can. Your statement was innacurate.
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Mark if you know somthing about mixing alcohol and medications why not share some of that info along with your sarcasim? ~Lisa
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So if you get a headache from beer, why drink it? It is not such a good idea to mix any meds with alcohol. Really? ANY medicines?
Really! Mainly the ones that say "AVOID ALCOHOL" – they mean it. This is pretty much any painkiller, most propylactics, anything from the antidepressant and mood-stabiliser families (prozac included, I think), ANY sleeping pill, and in fact, just about anything that might count as Useful… sigh… (But beta blockers don’t interact with alcohol, if I understand right) I’ve never managed to get a straight answer when I’ve asked, but I’d hope that for most medications that interaction wears off at about the same rate as the primary effect. My strategy for going down t’ pub for a quiet one[1] is to take painkillers so far in advance that I’m really looking for the pk effect the two/three hours before, and use that time to rest so’s the HA has as little to feed it as possible, if that makes sense. This is complicated massively if you’re on longer-active daily medication (say, the tricyclics) – in which case, if you -really- want a drink, it might be advisable to ask your dr/pharmacist what to do. Answers might be along the lines of "don’t" or "how many days do you want to be off your medication?" … A local hacker I’ve otherwise nothing but respect for posted a while back his favourite party mix is a handful of the painkiller I’m and a steady flow of spirits. DAMMIT, that’s the sort of thing that makes it harder for those of us who NEED them to get ‘em prescribed — DON’T. Other mixes are fatal. Not potentially. Are. hth, butting (who -really- doesn’t want to see anyone do anything dumb) [1] Guinness. Good for you. It also gets drunk very slowly (a pint can last a long time!), which helps. — Bryce Utting http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~butting the cross before me, the world behind me no turning back
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Denny wrote everytime I drink beer So if you get a headache from beer, why drink it? It is not such a good idea to mix any meds with alcohol. ~Lisa
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Denny wrote everytime I drink beer So if you get a headache from beer, why drink it? It is not such a good idea to mix any meds with alcohol. ~Lisa
Really? ANY medicines?
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Speaking of beer–When I first found out that alcoholic beverages were a trigger (as well as components in pizza) my husband and I were at Pizza Hut about 15 years ago eating pizza and sharing a pitcher of beer when I was suddenly struck with a blinding migraine. For several years after that, just one sip of champagne at New Year’s brought on a headache, so now, I know never to touch anything with alcohol or I will suffer the consequences! Barbara — Barbara Lemmond
Denny wrote everytime I drink beer So if you get a headache from beer, why drink it? It is not such a good idea to mix any meds with alcohol. ~Lisa
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hey i consider myself some of an oldie to the group. i have seen people like mark come and go… and guess who is still here…. the caring people not the ones who who come on the group spout off get people riled up and then go.. if you want support we are here for you if you want to think you know it all you dont… no one EVER stops learning. ronnie queen of hugs
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mark if you know somthing about mixing alcohol and medications why not share some of that info along with your sarcasim? ~Lisa OK. Looking at the PDR: DHE-45 and Imitrex don’t mention interactions with alcohol. Propoxyphene literature warns usage in persons who use "alcohol in excess", and that alcohol adds the CNS depressant effect but it doesn’t state that you should avoid alcohol, just to be aware of its effects. Corgard (Nadolol) literature in the PDR doesn’t mention alcohol at all I’m sorry if I offended you, but I just wanted to get the facts straight. There are so many misconceptions about migraines that it behooves us to be accurate when we can. Your statement was innacurate.
If I had been here longer, I’d say "bullshit," but I have not yet earned that right. Her statement was a generalization which could never hurt anyone if taken literally. Had you just wanted to get the facts straight, you’d have done so. You didn’t. You chose to be cynical. Even your PDR quote above serves no medical purpose, nor does it advance your battle against misconceptions about migraine. Can you spell self-aggrandizement? -bp
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Mark….I fail to see what harm it would cause to say "It is not a good idea to mix alcohol with ANY meds". You think you found where it says it is okay to mix the two with a few. I say big deal. Why mix alcohol with pills, whether it is "okay" or not? If alcohol gives someone a headache, me for one, why drink? Unless one does not mind having a headache. AND, I do not recall Karen ever saying "fuck you" to anyone on this support group. If she did say it to you in email, then keep it in email. ~Lisa
ummm Lisa, I do remember saying that a few times on the newsgroup in the last few years but not in this thread…st Mark just likes to cut and paste and make things say what is convenient for him… he’s really not getting to me…he’s just another one out there trolling for to cause problems on the newsgroup. and I have never emailed him nor do I plan to unless he emailas ame s I requested a few posts ago…but I he hasn’t..he doesn’t seem to have the guts to take it one on one with me… now as far as the alcohol in his case I might make an exception and offer it to him with his imitrex just to mellow his behind out a little thanks for the support Karen
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Well Karen I guess I have not been aroung long enough to see you say or hear you write " F.U." to anyone. 
And before you invite him to bite you again, check his shot records!!! Seems he may be a bit over due on his distemper vaccine! ~Lisa
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F.U." to anyone. before you invite him to bite you again, check his shot
records!!! Seems he may be a bit over due on his distemper vaccine! ~Lisa Oh Lisa, you just have my mind racing! Warn Karen about rabies, parvo, and uhggggg parasites! (Listening Karen?) This whole thing could be far more than just a pain in the head! Sage
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Keep Harley in a safe place Karen! We don’t want *anybody* biting him either! Sage
Harley stays safe under the desk when I am at the computer no one or nothing can get to him Karen
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – F.U." to anyone. before you invite him to bite you again, check his shot records!!! Seems he may be a bit over due on his distemper vaccine! ~Lisa Oh Lisa, you just have my mind racing! Warn Karen about rabies, parvo, and uhggggg parasites! (Listening Karen?) This whole thing could be far more than just a pain in the head! Sage ewwww worms! my dog don’t even have them! Karen
Keep Harley in a safe place Karen! We don’t want *anybody* biting him either! Sage
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F.U." to anyone. before you invite him to bite you again, check his shot records!!! Seems he may be a bit over due on his distemper vaccine! ~Lisa Oh Lisa, you just have my mind racing! Warn Karen about rabies, parvo, and uhggggg parasites! (Listening Karen?) This whole thing could be far more than just a pain in the head! Sage
ewwww worms! my dog don’t even have them! Karen
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