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: Shit (yeah, go ahead and curse) That has got to be one of th emost : common shit things to do to your kid. What the F&#*K goes trough : these idiots minds???? nothing, apparently. 
: To sum this all up. How is a kid supposed to feel about his parents : when it seems that they try to drown you??? pretty much the same way i felt with all the other ways they treated me. like it was all my fault. 
at least i don’t believe that, anymore, which gives me a little more space to be ANGRY in. : How is kid gonna feel about water now? i can’t swim in water if i can’t see the bottom. i go into instant panic, and i think it’s because i am expecting to be grabbed. : way? actually, in high school i decided to go take swimming lessons so i could be sure that no matter who did what, i could survive it. i took lifesaving as well, part of which was learning to fend off struggling victims. : GODDAMN THEM!!! times two. silverleaf — "I am a limpet, and you are my rock." – from silverleafs’ silly husband.
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: I’m sorry to hear that, ellie. My Dad "taught" my brother to : swim the same way, or so I’ve heard. my exfather believed in dunking, which included being shoved down under the water and held there. then having to laugh when he finally let me up because ‘ha ha. isn’t it fun to try to drown mary.’ bastards. — "I am a limpet, and you are my rock." – from silverleafs’ silly husband.
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: I’m sorry to hear that, ellie. My Dad "taught" my brother to : swim the same way, or so I’ve heard. my exfather believed in dunking, which included being shoved down under the water and held there. then having to laugh when he finally let me up because ‘ha ha. isn’t it fun to try to drown mary.’ bastards.
Shit (yeah, go ahead and curse) That has got to be one of th emost common shit things to do to your kid. What the F&#*K goes trough these idiots minds???? My old man promised to teach me that way ’cause it workd for my older brother. My grandfather happened to be nearby and told my father not to do that. (Whew) Later in life I nearly drowned when my dad told me it was ok to go deeper water. when I was thrashing around I saw the people just about 20 feet away and they didn’t even notice me. My older brother saved my ass. Yet I still hate hom for other things. About 3 years after the drowning incident, him and a feind were gonna throw me off a pier. I still couldn’t swim and I sink in water. I freaked out real bad. REAL BAD. I went into some kinda panic fight/flight state. (except I have to break away from the grip of my bother and his freind). To sum this all up. How is a kid supposed to feel about his parents when it seems that they try to drown you??? How is kid gonna feel about water now? way? GODDAMN THEM!!!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. Well, this is a tough one … although I don’t think your fear is any weirder than anyone else’s fears. Personally, I’d die if being baptized meant having to hold a spider for even one moment. And I have a couple friends who are completely traumatized if they have to have blood drawn and they usually faint at the sight of the needle. Anyway, at the church I grew up in they baptized people by splashing water over their head also. They didn’t have to be completely dunked in the water. Maybe you could talk to your pastor about that? After all it is a "symbol" of baptism – you don’t have to have your head totally dunked in water for it to work. 
Could he pour water over your head so that it runs down the back and not so much down your face? That’s a way it’s been done, too. It seems kind of harsh to have to let someone dunk your head in water when that’s what you’re so afraid of. (like I said, it’d be like someone asking me to hold a spider – I think I’d faint!). Let me know how it goes! Julia On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, it was written: Hello all, Well, just so everyone knows this is a question about baptisim. Alright. You see, I have wanted to get baptized for a long time. Now I have the oppourtunity with my new church, and I put my name in the box to get more information on it. However i have a problem. I’m scared of water. I’ve never been scared of anything like I am scared of water. No one has any idea why. I’ve been able to swim since I was 3. But I met my rapist at a pool, which is why I think it triggers me. It’s a very scary sensation and I don’t allow water to cover my face. I feel very panicked and I spaz, or flip out. I don’t go swimming any more, unless I can stand on the bottom with my head above water, and if I ever go into a deep area no one can come near me, because I get very nervous. This is very weird. I never really knew I was scared of water, until about 6 months ago. I just haven’t gone swimming since I was raped, unless I’m alone. When we go to Blue Mountain I swim but only if there is no one in the pool. But now I’m supposed to trust someone to dunk me under water with me having no power whatsoever. Well anyway, please write back with some suggestions if you have it. I was thinking about talking to my pastor to see if we could do a practise one to see if I can handle it. I just don’t know what to do. Well anyway, bye for now. rosee’s kid Oh yeah, P.S. Remember, amateurs builts the Ark, it was the experts that built the Titanic. — For more information about this posting service, contact: If you wish to get an anonymous email/posting account, visit our sign-up page: http://asarian-host.org/emailform.html
I agree with what the other poster said, and perhaps because this is a special situation you could talk to the pastor about having it done more in the way of the Presbyterian church which is just to dabble the water on the person being baptized’ head which is just as meaningful. have you ever talked to a counselor about this fear? Perhaps talking it out would help? Maybe it wouldn’t but if you haven’t done this it is something to think about.
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This is very different from the reasons that I am so afraid. I didn’t learn to swim until I was about 6 years old and I didn’t do it very well. But when I was 9 I was playing in the pool, not swimming. My dad thought I couldn’t swim and he threw me into the deep end of the pool. I was so frightened of the deep water that I panicked and nearly drowned. There was no lifeguard so I sank to the bottom and crawled up the bottom of the pool until I could stand again with my head above the water.
I’m sorry to hear that, ellie. My Dad "taught" my brother to swim the same way, or so I’ve heard. Lorraine "~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~" "Learn from the mistakes of others. You can’t live long enough to make them all yourself."
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Hello all, Well, just so everyone knows this is a question about baptisim. Alright. You see, I have wanted to get baptized for a long time. Now I have the oppourtunity with my new church, and I put my name in the box to get more information on it. However i have a problem. I’m scared of water.
Hi Cuteypie… I’m scared of water too. I fight it, but it still frightens me to no end. I’ve never been scared of anything like I am scared of water. No one has any idea why. I’ve been able to swim since I was 3. But I met my rapist at a pool, which is why I think it triggers me. It’s a very scary sensation and I don’t allow water to cover my face. I feel very panicked and I spaz, or flip out. I don’t go swimming any more, unless I can stand on the bottom with my head above water, and if I ever go into a deep area no one can come near me, because I get very nervous. This is very weird. I never really knew I was scared of water, until about 6 months ago. I just haven’t gone swimming since I was raped, unless I’m alone.
This is very different from the reasons that I am so afraid. I didn’t learn to swim until I was about 6 years old and I didn’t do it very well. But when I was 9 I was playing in the pool, not swimming. My dad thought I couldn’t swim and he threw me into the deep end of the pool. I was so frightened of the deep water that I panicked and nearly drowned. There was no lifeguard so I sank to the bottom and crawled up the bottom of the pool until I could stand again with my head above the water. When we go to Blue Mountain I swim but only if there is no one in the pool. But now I’m supposed to trust someone to dunk me under water with me having no power whatsoever. Well anyway, please write back with some suggestions if you have it. I was thinking about talking to my pastor to see if we could do a practise one to see if I can handle it. I just don’t know what to do. Well anyway, bye for now.
That’s a good start. I freaked when it came to the time that I was to be baptized. But one thing that helped was to have someone with me that I trusted fully. I talked to the pastor and he allowed my husband to come in with me. It worked wonders. Maybe your mom would be willing to do the same? Ellie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -rosee’s kid Oh yeah, P.S. Remember, amateurs builts the Ark, it was the experts that built the Titanic. — For more information about this posting service, contact: If you wish to get an anonymous email/posting account, visit our sign-up page: http://asarian-host.org/emailform.html
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Hey Rosie Kid Sounds like a trust issue. You dont trust yourself with water, let alone other people. Have you ever consider talking with the baptister person – all they have to do is wet their hands, pat your head and say the mantra "In the name of da Fadder, and da Sun, and da Holly Ghost" and you are baptisted. This white sheet and putting the person down in the river upside on their head – that is crap and carries over to the KKK and christain nazi’s. If you dont want to do this – dont do it. Hell’s bells you can baptise yourself. You have the power for that. It is in the power of your word. Just go to the sink – wet your hands and do the mantra – poof you be baptised. Another alternative is biofeedback and desensitization or integrative body psychotherapy to get on the winning side of the fear. You have some PTSD issues with the rape and the association you made with water and having power somehow that is all twisted up and needs therapy to sort it out. Mindtalk will never do it, you have to heal this in the body. After all you got hurt in the body. When you have been victimized as a child and then grow up into an adult and pick your other perpatrators in that you are unconscious and no know not what you do – that is just the pain of waking up. So this don’t happen again. Curious that you want to recreate the abuse issues like this in your religion you chose. Maybe you are still picking perpatrators to wake you up the hard way. Ever thought of making other choices ? You have that power and freedom to do that – if you want to take it. SumBuddie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, Well, just so everyone knows this is a question about baptisim. Alright. You see, I have wanted to get baptized for a long time. Now I have the oppourtunity with my new church, and I put my name in the box to get more information on it. However i have a problem. I’m scared of water. I’ve never been scared of anything like I am scared of water. No one has any idea why. I’ve been able to swim since I was 3. But I met my rapist at a pool, which is why I think it triggers me. It’s a very scary sensation and I don’t allow water to cover my face. I feel very panicked and I spaz, or flip out. I don’t go swimming any more, unless I can stand on the bottom with my head above water, and if I ever go into a deep area no one can come near me, because I get very nervous. This is very weird. I never really knew I was scared of water, until about 6 months ago. I just haven’t gone swimming since I was raped, unless I’m alone. When we go to Blue Mountain I swim but only if there is no one in the pool. But now I’m supposed to trust someone to dunk me under water with me having no power whatsoever. Well anyway, please write back with some suggestions if you have it. I was thinking about talking to my pastor to see if we could do a practise one to see if I can handle it. I just don’t know what to do. Well anyway, bye for now. rosee’s kid Oh yeah, P.S. Remember, amateurs builts the Ark, it was the experts that built the Titanic. — For more information about this posting service, contact: If you wish to get an anonymous email/posting account, visit our sign-up page: http://asarian-host.org/emailform.html
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Hi. Well, this is a tough one … although I don’t think your fear is any weirder than anyone else’s fears. Personally, I’d die if being baptized meant having to hold a spider for even one moment. And I have a couple friends who are completely traumatized if they have to have blood drawn and they usually faint at the sight of the needle. Anyway, at the church I grew up in they baptized people by splashing water over their head also. They didn’t have to be completely dunked in the water. Maybe you could talk to your pastor about that? After all it is a "symbol" of baptism – you don’t have to have your head totally dunked in water for it to work. Could he pour water over your head so that it runs down the back and not so much down your face? That’s a way it’s been done, too. It seems kind of harsh to have to let someone dunk your head in water when that’s what you’re so afraid of. (like I said, it’d be like someone asking me to hold a spider – I think I’d faint!). Let me know how it goes! Julia On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, it was written: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, Well, just so everyone knows this is a question about baptisim. Alright. You see, I have wanted to get baptized for a long time. Now I have the oppourtunity with my new church, and I put my name in the box to get more information on it. However i have a problem. I’m scared of water. I’ve never been scared of anything like I am scared of water. No one has any idea why. I’ve been able to swim since I was 3. But I met my rapist at a pool, which is why I think it triggers me. It’s a very scary sensation and I don’t allow water to cover my face. I feel very panicked and I spaz, or flip out. I don’t go swimming any more, unless I can stand on the bottom with my head above water, and if I ever go into a deep area no one can come near me, because I get very nervous. This is very weird. I never really knew I was scared of water, until about 6 months ago. I just haven’t gone swimming since I was raped, unless I’m alone. When we go to Blue Mountain I swim but only if there is no one in the pool. But now I’m supposed to trust someone to dunk me under water with me having no power whatsoever. Well anyway, please write back with some suggestions if you have it. I was thinking about talking to my pastor to see if we could do a practise one to see if I can handle it. I just don’t know what to do. Well anyway, bye for now. rosee’s kid Oh yeah, P.S. Remember, amateurs builts the Ark, it was the experts that built the Titanic. — For more information about this posting service, contact: If you wish to get an anonymous email/posting account, visit our sign-up page: http://asarian-host.org/emailform.html
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I think it’s a good idea to talk to your paster. Does it have to be a "dunking" in your church? Maybe he would agree to a "sprinkle" in your circumstance. BTW, the most beautiful baptism I ever saw was of two pregnant women. There were four people baptized that day! Lorraine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, Well, just so everyone knows this is a question about baptisim. Alright. You see, I have wanted to get baptized for a long time. Now I have the oppourtunity with my new church, and I put my name in the box to get more information on it. However i have a problem. I’m scared of water. I’ve never been scared of anything like I am scared of water. No one has any idea why. I’ve been able to swim since I was 3. But I met my rapist at a pool, which is why I think it triggers me. It’s a very scary sensation and I don’t allow water to cover my face. I feel very panicked and I spaz, or flip out. I don’t go swimming any more, unless I can stand on the bottom with my head above water, and if I ever go into a deep area no one can come near me, because I get very nervous. This is very weird. I never really knew I was scared of water, until about 6 months ago. I just haven’t gone swimming since I was raped, unless I’m alone. When we go to Blue Mountain I swim but only if there is no one in the pool. But now I’m supposed to trust someone to dunk me under water with me having no power whatsoever. Well anyway, please write back with some suggestions if you have it. I was thinking about talking to my pastor to see if we could do a practise one to see if I can handle it. I just don’t know what to do. Well anyway, bye for now. rosee’s kid Oh yeah, P.S. Remember, amateurs builts the Ark, it was the experts that built the Titanic. — For more information about this posting service, contact: If you wish to get an anonymous email/posting account, visit our sign-up page: http://asarian-host.org/emailform.html
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