Trauma – PTSD

Question:

if someone used to enjoy or not be bothered by riding boats but does now because of panic/anxiety they should work at overcoming the new phobia as part of overall recovery if someone used to enjoy or not be bothered by handling spiders but does now because of panic/anxiety they should work at overcoming the new phobia as part of overall recovery if someone used to enjoy or not be bothered by etc but does now because of panic/anxiety they should work at overcoming the new phobia as part of overall recovery you’re using if p then q logic however figures    lol p   if someone says that for recovery   even though it causes anxiety    you shouldn’t practice going to the grocery store  they must be nutz p   bob says that you shouldn’t go to the grocery store and should avoid it q   therefore bob is nutz simple logic for a simple boob      rofl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So does this mean people should also force themselves to stand on tall buildings, ride in boats, handle spiders, etc just because it makes them anxious. If something makes you anxious and it can reasonably be avoid then avoid it. This goes for grocery shopping as well.

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Thank you Brooke! How I wish this store was open 24 hours.  That would settle it right there. I always wanted to go shopping at 11:00 or midnight back home, but there were robberies and car jackings in the parking lots of two different grocery stores, the ones nearest my house.  Oh well.  Right now all the other stores are too far away, especially to go shopping that late.  I don’t blame you for not wanting to go to Wal-Mart any earlier than that.  I really hate when they’re so crowded!  {{{{{Brooke}}}}} Love, Di – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (((Di)))     I can only go to Wal-Mart at like midnight… good thing it’s 24-hour, because every other time, it’s WAY too crowded… and it takes you three hours to get two items because you run into half the people you know. (And spend the rest of the time avoiding the other half while trying to get out of the store.) Deep breath, you’ll make it. I know! Much Love, Brooke Okay, I mustered up my courage with a little anxiety to go grocery shopping and the store was CLOSED due to a power failure!!  Good thing I have chicken breasts in the freezer.  Now this is going to screw up my whole week. Someone is coming to check the fireplace out tomorrow and someone else coming Fri. to do routine maintenance on the furnace, etc.  Thurs. I go pick up (yeahhhhh!) my new night guard so that day is screwed.  The only thing I can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too overwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Hugs, Di

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I mustered up my courage with a little anxiety to go grocery shopping and the store was CLOSED due to a power failure!!  Good thing I have chicken breasts in the freezer.  Now this is going to screw up my whole week. Someone is coming to check the fireplace out tomorrow and someone else coming Fri. to do routine maintenance on the furnace, etc.  Thurs. I go pick up (yeahhhhh!) my new night guard so that day is screwed.  The only thing I can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too overwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Hugs, Di I just came back from the grocery store.  It is a task that seems to never end, isn’t it?  Just pretend you can only use things out of your cupboards this week, and see how creative you can get.  It might be a good week to have some pizza delivered (grin).  Sending you lots of peaceful feelings for your very busy demanding week. Take care, Liz

LOL  Thank you Liz!  I hope I can get creative enough.  Chinese delivery tonight and I’ll see what I can buy later on.  Might try Grocery Gateway later this week or next week just to see how I like it and what I can buy that I can’t down the street.  You sound like you made out pretty well at the grocery store Liz.  You know why it won’t end?  Because we like to and have to eat, unfortunately.  <bg  {{{{{Liz}}}}} Di

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Okay, I mustered up my courage with a little anxiety to go grocery shopping and the store was CLOSED due to a power failure!!  Good thing I have chicken breasts in the freezer.  Now this is going to screw up my whole week. Someone is coming to check the fireplace out tomorrow and someone else coming Fri. to do routine maintenance on the furnace, etc.  Thurs. I go pick up (yeahhhhh!) my new night guard so that day is screwed.  The only thing I can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too overwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Hugs, Di

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Hi, Di, The store may not have been opened but at least you were able to get out and go – that counts for something… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I mustered up my courage with a little anxiety to go grocery shopping and the store was CLOSED due to a power failure!!  Good thing I have chicken breasts in the freezer.  Now this is going to screw up my whole week. Someone is coming to check the fireplace out tomorrow and someone else coming Fri. to do routine maintenance on the furnace, etc.  Thurs. I go pick up (yeahhhhh!) my new night guard so that day is screwed.  The only thing I can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too overwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Hugs, Di

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You’re a sweetie.  :-)  Thanks Elise!  You are right.  At least I was prepared in case it was open.  bg Hugs, Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Di, The store may not have been opened but at least you were able to get out and go – that counts for something… smiles, Elise Okay, I mustered up my courage with a little anxiety to go grocery shopping and the store was CLOSED due to a power failure!!  Good thing I have chicken breasts in the freezer.  Now this is going to screw up my whole week. Someone is coming to check the fireplace out tomorrow and someone else coming Fri. to do routine maintenance on the furnace, etc.  Thurs. I go pick up (yeahhhhh!) my new night guard so that day is screwed.  The only thing I can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too overwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Hugs, Di

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Yes, this is how I have been taught pretty much also.  I suppose though, with me it is a bit different as my Therapist thinks I also suffer from PTSD after my mother tried to driver herself and me off a wharf when I was seventeen.

After seeing her go through a complete psychotic breakdown and hearing all the doctors tell her, she shouldn’t have pushed herself so much, she should have asked for help earlier etc.  I think this has stuck in my head and I am too afraid to push myself "too" hard for fear of it happening to me.

No wonder you don’t know which way to go.  I wouldn’t either.  I hope you find a happy medium somewhere.   {{{{{Imogen}}}}} – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I suppose this is an individual thing for me when it comes to "pushing myself" as she thinks I don’t do it enough.  I suppose she is right as today I felt like utter shit when I woke up, my anxiety was sky high and I was very depressed.  I didn’t want to do my normal walk etc and thought "oh god, my clonazapam has stopped working and I am going to have to increase it, which means I’m addicted etc etc" you know all the normal bullshit that we feed ourselves when we are really anxious. Well to cut a long story short, I "made" myself go out for my walk and for the first 20 minutes I thought I was going to have to turn around and go home, but I knew if I did it would make it so much harder going out tomorrow.  I did my walk and feel so much better for it. I must admit though I am now confused as to when I should "push myself more" and when I should relent! Thanks Jackie Hugs Imogen

Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :Is my therapist too hard do you think?  Or is it just me that she is trying :to get to push myself more and I am an one and only case that she tells to :keep going back to do something and don’t avoid it – no matter how bad I am :feeling.  Actually she has even said the worse I feel the more I am to push :myself.  (I must admit, the times I can summon up the courage to do these :things, I usually get through it, but it is horrible). Personally, I think your CBT therapist is too hard. Have you seen any improvement by pushing yourself the way she wants you to? Has she taught you any tools in which to use when you are desensitizing yourself? I think forcing yourself to do something when your anxiety is sky high, even if you do manage to do it, is very traumatic because it was a horrid experience. During my last severe setback, week after week I forced myself to go food shopping, I would have nasty pa`s and when it came time for me to go food shopping again, all I could remember was how awful it was the week before, further enforcing my fears. It is easy for your therapist to say you have to push yourself no matter what, but what is she doing to make this process easier for you? The goal of CBT is not to be able to "just" do it, the goal is doing things with less anxiety. Put a gun to my head and I can pretty much do anything, I may shit my pants doing it but I will do it…….what I really want is to be able to do things with less anxiety. When I did CBT I "desensitized" myself to feared situations by using hierarchies, which was a planned "graded" exposure to each situation. I`ll give you an example using food shopping as my feared situation. My psychologist told if I became anxious while desensitizing myself I was to rate my anxiety on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being low anxiety and 10 being panic  When I reached a level three I was to retreat, even if that meant just waliking outside to calm down, or going to the bathroom to splash cold water on my face…. sometimes it meant going home depending on how high my anxiety got. Once my anxiety levels lowered, I was to enter the situation again. The goal was to try to go home on a positive note. I was to use deep breathing, distraction, positive self-talk, etc when feeling anxious. This is how "I" would desensitize myself: Each step is to be done until you feel comfortable, it could take days maybe even weeks depending how severe your phobia is. I know this may seem somewhat drawn out and silly, but it really does help to do things slowly. On a good day you can even skip a few steps if you feel that confidant. My psychologist was also very big on encouraging me to reward myself with something small each time I was successful and to be kind to myself when I wasn`t. The smallest of steps were to be appreciated because they do add up after awhile. 1) Drive to the supermarket, sit in the parking lot for a few minutes then go home. 2) Go to the supermarket, walk up to the door, perhaps stand in front of the store for a few minutes, then go home. 3) Go to the supermarket, enter the store and leave right away. 4) Go to the supermarket, enter the store, walk down 2 aisles. 5) Walk to the farthest point of the store. 6) Go to store at the slowest time of the day, buy a few items, stand in the express line, pay with cash. 7) Go to the store at the slowest time of the day, do a whole food shopping, pay with check. Go to the store at a busy time of the day, buy a few things, pay with cash at the express checkout line. Go to the store at a busy time, do a whole food shopping, pay with cash. So on and so forth ) Jackie ~*~Would you respect my mind more if it bounced gently when I walked~*~

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I mustered up my courage with a little anxiety to go grocery shopping and the store was CLOSED due to a power failure!!  Good thing I have chicken breasts in the freezer.  Now this is going to screw up my whole week. Someone is coming to check the fireplace out tomorrow and someone else coming Fri. to do routine maintenance on the furnace, etc.  Thurs. I go pick up (yeahhhhh!) my new night guard so that day is screwed.  The only thing I can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too overwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Hugs, Di Well done for going Diane even if it was closed! I am about to do my grocery shopping online and have it delivered as it is too stressful for me to do it right now with the children on school holidays. The added bonus of doing it this way is that I can keep an eye on what I’m spending as well I hope the night guard helps Diane. I will be watching your posts as I go for my impressions in September. Yuk!! I think we should have a "big word of the day" that we all have to use at least once in a post! (g) I will try to think of one for tomorrow ) Love Carol..x

Thank you Carol!  We have Grocery Gateway here and I think I’m going to buy a few things through them.  Well, maybe not a *few* things because they have a dollar amount you have to spend.  I’d like to buy the things I can’t get down the street.  Yes, I think a BIG word day would be fun!  LOL  Will be thinking of you in September too. Love, Di

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please don’t take this the wrong way, but I am just wondering for all you people like myself that have taken CBT – if Di does get the groceries delievered, instead of going down to get them herself and facing her fears – doesn’t this mean she is "avoiding"? My CBT doc would not let me do this, she would tell me I had to go another day and try again, not get them delievered as this is avoiding and will not be helping my condition. Is my therapist too hard do you think?  Or is it just me that she is trying to get to push myself more and I am an one and only case that she tells to keep going back to do something and don’t avoid it – no matter how bad I am feeling.  Actually she has even said the worse I feel the more I am to push myself.  (I must admit, the times I can summon up the courage to do these things, I usually get through it, but it is horrible). Please don’t think that I am saying Di is a coward or anything like that. I can’t even go to the grocery store without be driven down there and knowing I have someone waiting outside for me (if I only need a few things) and if I have a whole lot of groceries to do, I go with a friend when she does hers – so I am just as bad or even worse!!! I just thought the whole thing with CBT is not to "avoid". Hope I haven’t offended anyone, I just would like to here what your Therapists have taught you guys when it comes to situations like this. Take care Imogen If food delivery had been an option when I started CBT I would have taken it.  Thankfully it was not an option then and I had to go out and buy food, the first few weeks crawling on hands and knees.  I am over most but not all my agoraphobia now.

Glad you’re over most of it now.  :-)  I think a lot of people have a hard time going grocery shopping or just standing in line. ‘avoiding’?  Probably yes.  Di, if you can do the dentist you can do the grocer.

Thank you {{{{{Simon}}}}}! Simon

Di

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:The only thing I :can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. :I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too verwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try :not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Dear Di, Somehow this will all work out Does the grocery store deliver? If they do it would come in quite handy during this busy week of yours, might want to look into it.

Thank you Jackie!  I may try to go down to the store later on, but I will ask for future reference.  Otherwise, we have Grocery Gateway here, but it is slightly expensive.  In a pinch, I could use it though. I so hope that your mouth guard will help decrease the amount of migraines you get. I hate to see you suffer so much, one migraine is one too many and you seem to have them all the time.

{{{{{Jackie}}}}}  Thank you!  I think it will help a lot.  I have to go back tomorrow to have another impression taken which means it’s not ready yet. I’m disappointed about that, but what can you do. Take care! {{{{{Di}}}}} Jackie

Di

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(((Di)))     I can only go to Wal-Mart at like midnight… good thing it’s 24-hour, because every other time, it’s WAY too crowded… and it takes you three hours to get two items because you run into half the people you know. (And spend the rest of the time avoiding the other half while trying to get out of the store.) Deep breath, you’ll make it. I know! Much Love, Brooke

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I mustered up my courage with a little anxiety to go grocery shopping and the store was CLOSED due to a power failure!!  Good thing I have chicken breasts in the freezer.  Now this is going to screw up my whole week. Someone is coming to check the fireplace out tomorrow and someone else coming Fri. to do routine maintenance on the furnace, etc.  Thurs. I go pick up (yeahhhhh!) my new night guard so that day is screwed.  The only thing I can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too overwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Hugs, Di

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I mustered up my courage with a little anxiety to go grocery shopping and the store was CLOSED due to a power failure!!  Good thing I have chicken breasts in the freezer.  Now this is going to screw up my whole week. Someone is coming to check the fireplace out tomorrow and someone else coming Fri. to do routine maintenance on the furnace, etc.  Thurs. I go pick up (yeahhhhh!) my new night guard so that day is screwed.  The only thing I can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too overwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Hugs, Di

I just came back from the grocery store.  It is a task that seems to never end, isn’t it?  Just pretend you can only use things out of your cupboards this week, and see how creative you can get.  It might be a good week to have some pizza delivered (grin).  Sending you lots of peaceful feelings for your very busy demanding week. Take care, Liz

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Yes, this is how I have been taught pretty much also.  I suppose though, with me it is a bit different as my Therapist thinks I also suffer from PTSD after my mother tried to driver herself and me off a wharf when I was seventeen. After seeing her go through a complete psychotic breakdown and hearing all the doctors tell her, she shouldn’t have pushed herself so much, she should have asked for help earlier etc.  I think this has stuck in my head and I am too afraid to push myself "too" hard for fear of it happening to me. I suppose this is an individual thing for me when it comes to "pushing myself" as she thinks I don’t do it enough.  I suppose she is right as today I felt like utter shit when I woke up, my anxiety was sky high and I was very depressed.  I didn’t want to do my normal walk etc and thought "oh god, my clonazapam has stopped working and I am going to have to increase it, which means I’m addicted etc etc" you know all the normal bullshit that we feed ourselves when we are really anxious. Well to cut a long story short, I "made" myself go out for my walk and for the first 20 minutes I thought I was going to have to turn around and go home, but I knew if I did it would make it so much harder going out tomorrow.  I did my walk and feel so much better for it. I must admit though I am now confused as to when I should "push myself more" and when I should relent! Thanks Jackie Hugs Imogen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :Is my therapist too hard do you think?  Or is it just me that she is trying :to get to push myself more and I am an one and only case that she tells to :keep going back to do something and don’t avoid it – no matter how bad I am :feeling.  Actually she has even said the worse I feel the more I am to push :myself.  (I must admit, the times I can summon up the courage to do these :things, I usually get through it, but it is horrible). Personally, I think your CBT therapist is too hard. Have you seen any improvement by pushing yourself the way she wants you to? Has she taught you any tools in which to use when you are desensitizing yourself? I think forcing yourself to do something when your anxiety is sky high, even if you do manage to do it, is very traumatic because it was a horrid experience. During my last severe setback, week after week I forced myself to go food shopping, I would have nasty pa`s and when it came time for me to go food shopping again, all I could remember was how awful it was the week before, further enforcing my fears. It is easy for your therapist to say you have to push yourself no matter what, but what is she doing to make this process easier for you? The goal of CBT is not to be able to "just" do it, the goal is doing things with less anxiety. Put a gun to my head and I can pretty much do anything, I may shit my pants doing it but I will do it…….what I really want is to be able to do things with less anxiety. When I did CBT I "desensitized" myself to feared situations by using hierarchies, which was a planned "graded" exposure to each situation. I`ll give you an example using food shopping as my feared situation. My psychologist told if I became anxious while desensitizing myself I was to rate my anxiety on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being low anxiety and 10 being panic  When I reached a level three I was to retreat, even if that meant just waliking outside to calm down, or going to the bathroom to splash cold water on my face…. sometimes it meant going home depending on how high my anxiety got. Once my anxiety levels lowered, I was to enter the situation again. The goal was to try to go home on a positive note. I was to use deep breathing, distraction, positive self-talk, etc when feeling anxious. This is how "I" would desensitize myself: Each step is to be done until you feel comfortable, it could take days maybe even weeks depending how severe your phobia is. I know this may seem somewhat drawn out and silly, but it really does help to do things slowly. On a good day you can even skip a few steps if you feel that confidant. My psychologist was also very big on encouraging me to reward myself with something small each time I was successful and to be kind to myself when I wasn`t. The smallest of steps were to be appreciated because they do add up after awhile. 1) Drive to the supermarket, sit in the parking lot for a few minutes then go home. 2) Go to the supermarket, walk up to the door, perhaps stand in front of the store for a few minutes, then go home. 3) Go to the supermarket, enter the store and leave right away. 4) Go to the supermarket, enter the store, walk down 2 aisles. 5) Walk to the farthest point of the store. 6) Go to store at the slowest time of the day, buy a few items, stand in the express line, pay with cash. 7) Go to the store at the slowest time of the day, do a whole food shopping, pay with check. Go to the store at a busy time of the day, buy a few things, pay with cash at the express checkout line. Go to the store at a busy time, do a whole food shopping, pay with cash. So on and so forth ) Jackie ~*~Would you respect my mind more if it bounced gently when I walked~*~

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:Is my therapist too hard do you think?  Or is it just me that she is trying :to get to push myself more and I am an one and only case that she tells to :keep going back to do something and don’t avoid it – no matter how bad I am :feeling.  Actually she has even said the worse I feel the more I am to push :myself.  (I must admit, the times I can summon up the courage to do these :things, I usually get through it, but it is horrible). Personally, I think your CBT therapist is too hard. Have you seen any improvement by pushing yourself the way she wants you to? Has she taught you any tools in which to use when you are desensitizing yourself? I think forcing yourself to do something when your anxiety is sky high, even if you do manage to do it, is very traumatic because it was a horrid experience. During my last severe setback, week after week I forced myself to go food shopping, I would have nasty pa`s and when it came time for me to go food shopping again, all I could remember was how awful it was the week before, further enforcing my fears. It is easy for your therapist to say you have to push yourself no matter what, but what is she doing to make this process easier for you? The goal of CBT is not to be able to "just" do it, the goal is doing things with less anxiety. Put a gun to my head and I can pretty much do anything, I may shit my pants doing it but I will do it…….what I really want is to be able to do things with less anxiety. When I did CBT I "desensitized" myself to feared situations by using hierarchies, which was a planned "graded" exposure to each situation. I`ll give you an example using food shopping as my feared situation. My psychologist told if I became anxious while desensitizing myself I was to rate my anxiety on a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being low anxiety and 10 being panic  When I reached a level three I was to retreat, even if that meant just waliking outside to calm down, or going to the bathroom to splash cold water on my face…. sometimes it meant going home depending on how high my anxiety got. Once my anxiety levels lowered, I was to enter the situation again. The goal was to try to go home on a positive note. I was to use deep breathing, distraction, positive self-talk, etc when feeling anxious. This is how "I" would desensitize myself: Each step is to be done until you feel comfortable, it could take days maybe even weeks depending how severe your phobia is. I know this may seem somewhat drawn out and silly, but it really does help to do things slowly. On a good day you can even skip a few steps if you feel that confidant. My psychologist was also very big on encouraging me to reward myself with something small each time I was successful and to be kind to myself when I wasn`t. The smallest of steps were to be appreciated because they do add up after awhile. 1) Drive to the supermarket, sit in the parking lot for a few minutes then go home. 2) Go to the supermarket, walk up to the door, perhaps stand in front of the store for a few minutes, then go home. 3) Go to the supermarket, enter the store and leave right away. 4) Go to the supermarket, enter the store, walk down 2 aisles. 5) Walk to the farthest point of the store. 6) Go to store at the slowest time of the day, buy a few items, stand in the express line, pay with cash. 7) Go to the store at the slowest time of the day, do a whole food shopping, pay with check. Go to the store at a busy time of the day, buy a few things, pay with cash at the express checkout line. Go to the store at a busy time, do a whole food shopping, pay with cash. So on and so forth ) Jackie ~*~Would you respect my mind more if it bounced gently when I walked~*~

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:Hi Jackie, oes grinding your teeth cause migraines? I had a blinder of one today and :seeing as I haven’t had one for months I’m now wondering if it’s the teeth :grinding that caused it? :Love Carol..x Dear Carol, I`m pretty sure teeth grinding can cause a migraine. There are many other triggers for migraines, mine are hormones, MSG, weather changes, perfumes, chemicals, certain foods, etc. Sorry your head hurts, hope it feels better soon! {{{{{Carol}}}}} Jackie ~*~Would you respect my mind more if it bounced gently when I walked~*~

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:if Di does get the groceries :delievered, instead of going down to get them herself and facing her fears – :doesn’t this mean she is "avoiding"? Dear Imogen, I only suggested Di getting her groceries delivered being she tried going food shopping today and the store was closed due to a power outage and the rest of the week is busy for her. That isn`t avoidance behaviour, just Avoidance would be if she didn`t go food shopping because she was anxious or was afraid of having a anxiety reaction in the store. I do understand exactly what you are saying and agree, avoidance leads to more avoidance and most of the time we need to push ourselves. My psychologist also told me there are times when retreating is okay other wise you can really reinforce your fears that way. Take care Jackie ~*~Would you respect my mind more if it bounced gently when I walked~*~

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Hi, Carol, When I grind my teeth badly I usually get a lot of tension in my facial muscles and sometimes I do get a headache. smiles, Elise

Thanks Elise, This could explain the migraine that came out of the blue today. I have an appointment with my doc on Monday so I will mention it to her. I’ve even started grinding a lot during the day as well. It might be that I will have to lower the dose of Cipramil. That’s not something that I look forward to though. Love Carol..x – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :The only thing I :can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. :I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too verwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try :not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Dear Di, Somehow this will all work out Does the grocery store deliver? If they do it would come in quite handy during this busy week of yours, might want to look into it. I so hope that your mouth guard will help decrease the amount of migraines you get. I hate to see you suffer so much, one migraine is one too many and you seem to have them all the time. Take care! {{{{{Di}}}}} Jackie ~*~Would you respect my mind more if it bounced gently when I walked~*~ Hi Jackie, Does grinding your teeth cause migraines? I had a blinder of one today and seeing as I haven’t had one for months I’m now wondering if it’s the teeth grinding that caused it? Love Carol..x

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Please don’t take this the wrong way, but I am just wondering for all you people like myself that have taken CBT – if Di does get the groceries delievered, instead of going down to get them herself and facing her fears – doesn’t this mean she is "avoiding"? My CBT doc would not let me do this, she would tell me I had to go another day and try again, not get them delievered as this is avoiding and will not be helping my condition. Is my therapist too hard do you think?  Or is it just me that she is trying to get to push myself more and I am an one and only case that she tells to keep going back to do something and don’t avoid it – no matter how bad I am feeling.  Actually she has even said the worse I feel the more I am to push myself.  (I must admit, the times I can summon up the courage to do these things, I usually get through it, but it is horrible). Please don’t think that I am saying Di is a coward or anything like that.  I can’t even go to the grocery store without be driven down there and knowing I have someone waiting outside for me (if I only need a few things) and if I have a whole lot of groceries to do, I go with a friend when she does hers – so I am just as bad or even worse!!! I just thought the whole thing with CBT is not to "avoid". Hope I haven’t offended anyone, I just would like to here what your Therapists have taught you guys when it comes to situations like this. Take care Imogen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :The only thing I :can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. :I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too verwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try :not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Dear Di, Somehow this will all work out Does the grocery store deliver? If they do it would come in quite handy during this busy week of yours, might want to look into it. I so hope that your mouth guard will help decrease the amount of migraines you get. I hate to see you suffer so much, one migraine is one too many and you seem to have them all the time. Take care! {{{{{Di}}}}} Jackie ~*~Would you respect my mind more if it bounced gently when I walked~*~ Hi Jackie, Does grinding your teeth cause migraines? I had a blinder of one today and seeing as I haven’t had one for months I’m now wondering if it’s the teeth grinding that caused it? Love Carol..x

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Hi, Carol, When I grind my teeth badly I usually get a lot of tension in my facial muscles and sometimes I do get a headache. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :The only thing I :can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. :I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too verwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try :not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Dear Di, Somehow this will all work out Does the grocery store deliver? If they do it would come in quite handy during this busy week of yours, might want to look into it. I so hope that your mouth guard will help decrease the amount of migraines you get. I hate to see you suffer so much, one migraine is one too many and you seem to have them all the time. Take care! {{{{{Di}}}}} Jackie ~*~Would you respect my mind more if it bounced gently when I walked~*~ Hi Jackie, Does grinding your teeth cause migraines? I had a blinder of one today and seeing as I haven’t had one for months I’m now wondering if it’s the teeth grinding that caused it? Love Carol..x

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, I mustered up my courage with a little anxiety to go grocery shopping and the store was CLOSED due to a power failure!!  Good thing I have chicken breasts in the freezer.  Now this is going to screw up my whole week. Someone is coming to check the fireplace out tomorrow and someone else coming Fri. to do routine maintenance on the furnace, etc.  Thurs. I go pick up (yeahhhhh!) my new night guard so that day is screwed.  The only thing I can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too overwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Hugs, Di

Well done for going Diane even if it was closed! I am about to do my grocery shopping online and have it delivered as it is too stressful for me to do it right now with the children on school holidays. The added bonus of doing it this way is that I can keep an eye on what I’m spending as well I hope the night guard helps Diane. I will be watching your posts as I go for my impressions in September. Yuk!! I think we should have a "big word of the day" that we all have to use at least once in a post! (g) I will try to think of one for tomorrow ) Love Carol..x

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :The only thing I :can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. :I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too verwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try :not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Dear Di, Somehow this will all work out Does the grocery store deliver? If they do it would come in quite handy during this busy week of yours, might want to look into it. I so hope that your mouth guard will help decrease the amount of migraines you get. I hate to see you suffer so much, one migraine is one too many and you seem to have them all the time. Take care! {{{{{Di}}}}} Jackie ~*~Would you respect my mind more if it bounced gently when I walked~*~

Hi Jackie, Does grinding your teeth cause migraines? I had a blinder of one today and seeing as I haven’t had one for months I’m now wondering if it’s the teeth grinding that caused it? Love Carol..x

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:The only thing I :can do is wait to see when the guy leaves tomorrow or the other guy on Fri. :I can only go shopping certain times of the day because the store is too verwhelmingly crowded.  (That’s a big word! <g)  Oh well.  Going to try :not to worry about this.  I’ll get there sometime I guess. Dear Di, Somehow this will all work out Does the grocery store deliver? If they do it would come in quite handy during this busy week of yours, might want to look into it. I so hope that your mouth guard will help decrease the amount of migraines you get. I hate to see you suffer so much, one migraine is one too many and you seem to have them all the time. Take care! {{{{{Di}}}}} Jackie ~*~Would you respect my mind more if it bounced gently when I walked~*~

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