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hehe ;-) ) just one remark … we always love the twist of folks being in the "no we are not multiple"-stage. *huge grins* mischa’s chaos Jill schrieb: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-No-Archive: Yes We sidestepped it quite nicely for a long time. My t’pist focusedon the (oops, still drunk so sorry for the typoes I miss:) ptsd stuff at first so the idea that we were many went right over _our_ head. Not his of course… Then it was time to bring it up and he could point to all the ptsd stuff as examples so it was really hard to argue with. And of course we never had to have an official label… [side note, we just ate so now I have to get back into the swing of posting...] My first reaction was, nope not me!, I was ready to accept a label of crazy before mpd! Sure, I had others living in my head but I wasn’t MULTIPLE! So, he backed off and just suggested I talk to them but agreed I wasn’t MULTIPLE. *snicker* I went through my _entire_ t’py experience without ever having to actually say ‘I am multiple’ (should that be ‘we are multiple’?:) I got to slide by with anxiety and dissociation and ptsd and ADD but never actually discussed that I was multiple. Of course I fit like all but one of the criteria for it, but still! Professionally I _knew_ what my label was. It was so obvious. But as a human being I could ignore it completely as long as I did the work. :) I think I finally decided in my head I was multiple about six months before we started blending (not intentionally mind you, we just blended cause it happened as we healed). I never said it aloud. When I moved my new t’pist got it all from the old one. I never talked to him about it :) Rainbow Colors (Jill, NOT MULTIPLE, NOPE!) X-No-Archive: Yes This’ll prolly sound a bit dumb but it’s been bugging me ever since. I know I was really petrified right before, and quite scared for some time prior to, finding myself labeled D*D. But must’ve dissociated from emotions to stay this numb since that t session. Bits of freaking out and some shakes and tears but nothing like I thought would be my reaction. Now that I can sorta get a better handle on things, part of me feels elated that the question’s been answered and we’re at a turning point and another part of me just wants to run in circles, scream and shout. And yet another wants to get on with life and just deal with it. Quite a storm. Guess my question is how’d this event hit ppl here? Sounds like a really st*pid question rereading it but it’d really help if I could know whether these sorts of reactions are common. Yeah, I scare myself far too easily and far too severely, but, hey, I’m getting better…:-) Thanks, Just Pete — Please add "X-No-Archive: yes" to header — For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi

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just wanted to post a link to some info on the internal family systems model.  slighly different perspective than the dissociative model.  the book i read is called ‘the mosaic mind: empowering the tormented selves of child ab*se survivors’.  i think the ifs approach makes more sense *for me*.  feel less resistance anyway.  ymmv *shrug* http://www.selfleadership.org/ifsmodel.shtml

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*hee hee* we went this route for a while until I decided that we were _the_ most dysfunctional family on the planet. :/ The amount of family t’py we would have needed boggles my mind. Rainbow Colors (Jill) just wanted to post a link to some info on the internal family systems model.  slighly different perspective than the dissociative model.  the book i read is called ‘the mosaic mind: empowering the tormented selves of child ab*se survivors’.  i think the ifs approach makes more sense *for me*.  feel less resistance anyway.  ymmv *shrug* http://www.selfleadership.org/ifsmodel.shtml

–      The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing                    we are becoming white light.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – X-No-Archive: Yes just wanted to post a link to some info on the internal family systems model.  slighly different perspective than the dissociative model.  the book i read is called ‘the mosaic mind: empowering the tormented selves of child ab*se survivors’.  i think the ifs approach makes more sense *for me*. feel less resistance anyway.  ymmv *shrug* http://www.selfleadership.org/ifsmodel.shtml I can readily see how this would be more useful to some than the dissociation and ego state concepts. It’s much more friendly, much less depersonalized. So to speak. I suppose if I’d put my internal voices, arguments, and discussions in the context of entities present in my mind’s eye, complete with relational contexts, it’d be a lot easier for me to do. Never having associated them with physical presences however and not having known of their existence prevented internal naming from that perspective, thus no pressing need to build an internal system. And there being no externalized dissociated ego state sufficiently aware as to name itself, there was then no external force to induce me to reexamine what internal system may exist.

*nods*  this is kinda what made it work for me.  if i accept this model…then im not ‘creating something that isnt there’.  i can acknowledge that there *are* ‘parts’ and begin to explore who/what they are.  i dont think ‘physical presence’ and ‘internal naming’ are necessarily prerequisites here.  the book i have goes into more detail about the model. i didnt find the link above until *after* i had read part of the book so its hard for me to judge where the summary may be too vague.  if you have any questions, i can post better explanations from the book. ** please dont think im trying to ’sell’ anybody on this, or that im in anyway minimizing the choices anyone has already made.  im just excited because i finally found something i can let myself work with and thought it might be helpful for anyone else in a similar situation. t – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Myth of Sanity really nailed it down for me — you were right, an excellent book. There are a couple of passages that are virtually exact renditions of my dissociative experience and presentation. Very eerie. Freaked the wife out more than a little bit. Anyway, rambling again. Thanks for the reference, I’ve got the link saved for more study. Tnx, Just Pete — Please add "X-No-Archive: yes" to header — For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi

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