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Hey guys, I’ve been in and out of here for two years and I never knew this stuff was being kept in Deja News. How do you get it? Someone please tell me how to get from here to there, OK? Would all my past rantings and squawkings be recorded there? Oh Lord, we drag our bag of garbage around and around so long, we finally just crawl inside the damn thing… or move out exactly right smack in the middle of nowhere and what’s there? A bunch of Post Trauma victims growing vegetables! Bill
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On Wed, 09 Dec 1998 19:25:43 -0600, Bill Trucks wrote: >Hey guys, I’ve been in and out of here for two years and I never knew >this stuff was being kept in Deja News. How do you get it? Someone >please tell me how to get from here to there, OK? Would all my past >rantings and squawkings be recorded there? Oh Lord, we drag our bag of >garbage around and around so long, we finally just crawl inside the damn >thing… or move out exactly right smack in the middle of nowhere and >what’s there? A bunch of Post Trauma victims growing vegetables! >Bill
Bill, I’ve heard it said that people with PTSD are the prophets of our time. In some respects PTSD seems to be contextual. By that I mean that the events which cause a lot of PTSD are experienced apart from the roles and support systems which characterized most of human relations since the dawn of the species. It has only been since urbanization that society has distilled the stresses of normal existence and parceled them out to "professionals" – nurses, police, firefighters, to name a few. To make things worse, few of these people have an extended familiy or similar support systems. In the past the inevitable horrors of life on earth were equally shared by most in a context of rich and extended family. When someone became ill the family did the nursing. If they had to go to a hospital the family went along bringing their own food as well as bandages torn from sheets and anything else they might need. If the person died it was the family who lovingly washed them and dressed them in their best. There are similar examples in other professions. Our current culture has taken the stress of such unpleasant things from most people and assigned it to a few to bear. I think that the experiment is a failure We so readily discount the wisdom of sixty five thousand years of experience in favor of a few hundred years of profligate waste and disorientation. Back to the prophets, I think it makes complete sense to grow vegetables in the middle of the woods. It isn’t a flight from reality, it is a return to the Earth’s embrace. She is immeasurably kinder, even at her worst, than this "culture" could ever hope to be. Before all of this complexity the primary context of our life was our relation with the earth. We still have that connection. More to the point, we still NEED that connection. It takes some getting used to. For the first few years in the woods I would hear hums and buzzes or nonsense songs in the total silence. I would be afraid at night, there are bears and cougar all around. In a shrieking windstorm I would stay up all night with knots in my stomach, certain that the malicious trees would fall and crush my little cabin. As the years have passed I can now hear all of the voices outside of my head as I garden, the birds and frogs, the creek tumbling over stones. I know my acres by heart and can walk through the deep woods in total darkness and with no fear. I put pieces of bark from the huge trees around my place in a medicine bag that I wear about my neck. Now when the winds blow I clutch the bag in my hands and say a prayer to the Standing People before I peacefully fall asleep. Having no teachers or wise relations, I create my own rituals andl relationships, my own spirituality, and Mother Earth is the context. I’m very lucky to have this opportunity and can’t imagine not having this intimate daily connection to nature. There is no substitute! Peace and Joy, Don
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>Hey guys, I’ve been in and out of here for two years and I never knew >this stuff was being kept in Deja News. How do you get it? Someone >please tell me how to get from here to there, OK? Would all my past >rantings and squawkings be recorded there? Oh Lord, we drag our bag of >garbage around and around so long, we finally just crawl inside the damn >thing… or move out exactly right smack in the middle of nowhere and >what’s there? A bunch of Post Trauma victims growing vegetables! >Bill
Start here: http://www.dejanews.com/help/help_index.shtml Good luck So, you love to debate LDS doctrine, but hate the spammers, forgers and idiots? Check out the Mormon Doctrine mailing list by sending e-mail to: MormonDoctrine-subscr…@onelist.com
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In article <366F2317.4B52B…@globaldialog.com>, Bill Trucks <btru…@globaldialog.com> wrote: > Hey guys, I’ve been in and out of here for two years and I never knew > this stuff was being kept in Deja News. How do you get it? Someone
Yes, this stuff is kept in Deja News. You can go to http://www.dejanews.com and you can do a search (I usually use power search) on your email id or the group id or a header that you’re interested in (or partial header). I’m not sure how far they go back, but you can put x-no-archive=yes in the header (I’ve heard, I haven’t used that) and it won’t get archived by dejanews. I don’t mean to upset anyone here, but there are other news servers that might archive posts as well and there’s an archive site that archives basically everything on the web at certain intervals (I think once a month). So, what I’m saying is that anything put on the web (in any form, whether it’s newsgroup, email, or web site) is considered to be "public". You can take steps to hide your identity if you choose. You can sign up for dejanews (it’s free) as long as you have a valid email address (their policy is to not reveal the information you give them) and you will then receive a dejanews email address that you can use for people to reply to (like I do) and you can also then set up a "my dejanews" that will show you the postings only from the groups you’re interested in. Just doing that will mask you well enough for most, but if you’re still not comfortable with that, you can use public proxy server to go through when you’re posting so that the proxy server’s address will show up rather than the IP address assigned to you by your ISP when you sign on (those are usually dynamic, so you may or may not have the same IP address twice from your ISP). There are other ways of masking as well, but those two are the easiest and will provide you with a good level of masking your identity. The posts would still be out there, but if your concern is that someone might use a post against you in the future, masking would be a good way to prevent that or at least drastically reduce the chances of it happening. I hope that helps…If there’s anything I need to clarify for anyone I’d be happy to either here or in e-mail. You should get an automatic message when you email me, that’s intended for spammer scum, so please ignore it. I WILL reply to any and all emails from ya’ll, so please be patient if it takes a day or two 
— "It’s not the years, it’s the mileage." ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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On Wed, 09 Dec 1998 19:25:43 -0600, Bill Trucks wallpa…@pop.service.ohio.state.edu wrote: >Hey guys, I’ve been in and out of here for two years and I never knew >this stuff was being kept in Deja News. How do you get it? Someone >please tell me how to get from here to there, OK? Would all my past >rantings and squawkings be recorded there?
They very well can be but it’s not as easy to dig out your posts as it used to be. Besides doing x-no-archive: yes at the very top of your message body for the future, there is a way to cancel your postings there. deja refers to it as it’s "Nuke" form. Simply fill it out, and follow the directions. Its: <www.dejanews.com/forms/nuke.shtml> When you fill out the for there’s an autosys reply which is to verify you’re the one cancelling.You bounce it back as a reply andthen you’ll get a confirmation including the article numberin question. Good luck, Cindy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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