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Don’t know what’s wrong with me lately, feel like I’m crawling out of my skin………so tense, so anxious, and can’t put my thoughts together enough to even ‘reply’ to anyone. Try my best to keep up with email………I know everyone needs support, and to those of you who write me and it takes me forever to reply, I’m thinking about you all the time, but I just can’t seem to write. Sitting here listening to Eva sing ‘At Last’……..and remembering Rudy’s ’Crouching Trauma’s’…….and how much they used to cheer me up. Wondering if he’s okay……….wondering too about Bro Vet Dave……..missing everyone so much. Wondering what happened………why I can’t seem to get back to where I was?? Why me eyes are always filled with tears ready to flow? Why I can’t find pleasure in anything anymore? Why I can’t focus enough to read a book, watch a movie……..why I just want to sit still and not move, crawl into bed and not get out……..why I put off getting dressed until it’s too late in the day……….why I don’t get the mail in anymore………. td
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Hi td, Sugar, sounds like some depression going on there in the mix to me… have you got meds to help? A therapist or trusted doctor you can talk to? When I’ve got the blues (nice way to put it) my best line of defense is to put on some music. You know, the kind you can’t help but get up and shake yer bootie to. I don’t listen to the radio because a sad song can come on and bring me down again. So, see if you can find something that will make you feel like puttin’ on your dancing shoes. WE LOVE YOU TINY……… SO SHAKE THAT HINEY!!!!!!!!!!! :-) Z55 tiny dancer <tinydancer…@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:wcwl9.2500$l86.231295@twister.southeast.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Don’t know what’s wrong with me lately, feel like I’m crawling out of my > skin………so tense, so anxious, and can’t put my thoughts together enough > to even ‘reply’ to anyone. Try my best to keep up with email………I know > everyone needs support, and to those of you who write me and it takes me > forever to reply, I’m thinking about you all the time, but I just can’t seem > to write. Sitting here listening to Eva sing ‘At Last’……..and > remembering Rudy’s ’Crouching Trauma’s’…….and how much they used to > cheer me up. Wondering if he’s okay……….wondering too about Bro Vet > Dave……..missing everyone so much. Wondering what happened………why I > can’t seem to get back to where I was?? Why me eyes are always filled with > tears ready to flow? Why I can’t find pleasure in anything anymore? Why I > can’t focus enough to read a book, watch a movie……..why I just want to > sit still and not move, crawl into bed and not get out……..why I put off > getting dressed until it’s too late in the day……….why I don’t get the > mail in anymore………. > td
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"tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:wcwl9.2500$l86.231295@twister.southeast.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Don’t know what’s wrong with me lately, feel like I’m crawling out of my > skin………so tense, so anxious, and can’t put my thoughts together enough > to even ‘reply’ to anyone. Try my best to keep up with email………I know > everyone needs support, and to those of you who write me and it takes me > forever to reply, I’m thinking about you all the time, but I just can’t seem > to write. Sitting here listening to Eva sing ‘At Last’……..and > remembering Rudy’s ’Crouching Trauma’s’…….and how much they used to > cheer me up. Wondering if he’s okay……….wondering too about Bro Vet > Dave……..missing everyone so much. Wondering what happened………why I > can’t seem to get back to where I was?? Why me eyes are always filled with > tears ready to flow? Why I can’t find pleasure in anything anymore? Why I > can’t focus enough to read a book, watch a movie……..why I just want to > sit still and not move, crawl into bed and not get out……..why I put off > getting dressed until it’s too late in the day……….why I don’t get the > mail in anymore………. > td
You have all the hallmarks of clinical depression. I know we talked about the hormone problems, but it doesn’t matter why you’re depressed, really. Can you get yourself to your doctor? Call someone to drive you there? Sometimes, you just need some help. Please, ask for help. —>[transmitting motivational energy]—> {{{{{{td}}}}}} Lar
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"Larry Hoover" <larryhoo…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:t6Xm9.15167$%P2.557496@news20.bellglobal.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message > news:wcwl9.2500$l86.231295@twister.southeast.rr.com… > > Don’t know what’s wrong with me lately, feel like I’m crawling out of my > > skin………so tense, so anxious, and can’t put my thoughts together > enough > > to even ‘reply’ to anyone. Try my best to keep up with email………I > know > > everyone needs support, and to those of you who write me and it takes me > > forever to reply, I’m thinking about you all the time, but I just can’t > seem > > to write. Sitting here listening to Eva sing ‘At Last’……..and > > remembering Rudy’s ’Crouching Trauma’s’…….and how much they used to > > cheer me up. Wondering if he’s okay……….wondering too about Bro Vet > > Dave……..missing everyone so much. Wondering what
happened………why – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I > > can’t seem to get back to where I was?? Why me eyes are always filled > with > > tears ready to flow? Why I can’t find pleasure in anything anymore? Why > I > > can’t focus enough to read a book, watch a movie……..why I just want to > > sit still and not move, crawl into bed and not get out……..why I put > off > > getting dressed until it’s too late in the day……….why I don’t get > the > > mail in anymore………. > > td > You have all the hallmarks of clinical depression. I know we talked about > the hormone problems, but it doesn’t matter why you’re depressed, really. > Can you get yourself to your doctor? Call someone to drive you there? > Sometimes, you just need some help. Please, ask for help. > —>[transmitting motivational energy]—> > {{{{{{td}}}}}} > Lar
My therapist already knows I’m depressed………..He just acts like it’s ‘normal’……. what I mean is he doesn’t suggest anything else. I tried to email you but it came back to me. td – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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"tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Nm8n9.3546$525.184517@twister.southeast.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > You have all the hallmarks of clinical depression. I know we talked about > > the hormone problems, but it doesn’t matter why you’re depressed, really. > > Can you get yourself to your doctor? Call someone to drive you there? > > Sometimes, you just need some help. Please, ask for help. > > —>[transmitting motivational energy]—> > > {{{{{{td}}}}}} > > Lar > My therapist already knows I’m depressed………..He just acts like it’s > ‘normal’……. what I mean is he doesn’t suggest anything else. I tried > to email you but it came back to me. > td
Your therapist writes prescriptions? Anyway, there’s no reason to accept depression as normal. Hugs, eh? larryhoover@(blob)nexicom.net de-blob before using 
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Hi tiny! > > > Don’t know what’s wrong with me lately, feel like I’m crawling out of my > > > skin………so tense, so anxious, and can’t put my thoughts together > > enough > > > to even ‘reply’ to anyone.
———–snip————— > My therapist already knows I’m depressed………..He just acts like it’s > ‘normal’……. what I mean is he doesn’t suggest anything else.
Please, please either get yourself to whomever writes you prescriptions for your depression or to the local ER. You deserve better than this! I know … it’s difficult to go to the ER when I don’t have a broken bone or something that ’shows’. However, ERs do have psych specialists who can help with a ‘fix’ of some sort and your greater than usual depression can be documented by an uninvolved professional. IME you do not usually have ‘pity parties’. Therefore, I suggest that you have an emergency which, if untreated, can become disasterous. This has just been going on for too long IMO. Smile on your way to the ER! Nancy
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Hi Kris, At least I/we all have each other now. I think of last year at this time, I was just beginning to find my way around the computer. I don’t know how I’d even begin to cope without everyone here. I’m so glad I found this spot and that a "special person" encouraged me to join in. Take care, tiny dancer "BaliKris" <balik…@aol.comzipspam> wrote in message
news:20010929030328.08571.00002119@mb-md.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> yup. My brain is swiss fucking cheese. A colander holds more noodles than I’m > carrying. Its the shit with terrorism. I figure it just notches up that fear > inside of us that have experienced terror. I’m either in the pit or pulling > myself out on a steep drop of anxiety. Its messy, but it will pass. It has to, > right? I ain’t giving in to it that’s for damn sure. You’ll make it tiny. > Kristine > If natural energy and impulses are too severely suppressed for too long, they > become violent. It’s natural for something that’s been held under pressure to > become violent in its release…Jim Morrison
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thanks tiny, it’s good to be back. yes, i miss those days too. hugs, kat "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6zmt7.399591$TM5.61852912@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey Kat, > Don’t ‘cha just wanna go back to the days of "Nutville" and feel lighter > again. I was sitting her last night thinking just a month or so ago we were > all enjoying "Crouching Trauma Hidden Stressors and dreaming about Nutville. > I’m so glad you’re back though, Kat. I really miss people when they have to > leave for awhile. Having both you and Bro Vet back are at least two > positives. :-) > tiny dancer > "Kat" <kathi…@frontiernet.net> wrote in message > news:tramb76c1gir33@corp.supernews.com… > > Tiny, > > Don’t feel alone–me too. It’s been awful. Like a free-floating anxiety, > > one minute I’m fine, the next minute my heart’s pounding so hard I can > feel > > it in my temples, my stomach, my feet, feels like it’s going to bounce > right > > out of my chest. Shit, I hate this. > > kat > > "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:Iwct7.34262$0x.13108028@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… > > > Are the rest of you guys having trouble with SEVERE anxiety?? I’m about > > > crawling out of my skin anxious. My heart is racing, can’t seem to > settle > > > down at all. Even my typing is off, I type wrong keys all the time and > > have > > > to go back, which is really unusual for me. I’m a pretty good typist > > > otherwise. My hands shake, feel like I need to scream, and really want > to > > > punch somebody. > > > tiny dancer
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Thanks, Hannah! > Great post, Nancy, thank you. You’ve always got a great way of outlining and > separating things so they make sense and can be absorbed and understood – > and applied! 
My therapist taught me to do it … one of the miracles of dissociation is the ability to separate my emotions from my thoughts. Sometimes, it’s a good thing. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy
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td, it makes me feel good that you feel that this is a safe place and that our "family" is a safe place to talk about your fears. I haven’t allowed myself feel anything about the passengers and the people in the WTC yet. We deal with what we can at the moment and that is the way, I think, it’s supposed to work. Take care. Larry L. "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:v8nt7.399598$TM5.61879411@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Larry & Nancy, > Thank you for your suggestions. I don’t really feel "fear" yet, or at least > it isn’t coming out that way. I’m still stuck in the horror of it all. I > can’t seem to get past passenger airplanes, full of innocent people, not > soldiers in a battle or anything, but people totally unaware when they > boarded that plane that they’d become "human bombs", splatting into > buildings full of innocent people. Not people who "knew" they were at war > with anybody that day, just people who got up in the morning and went to > work as usual. You know, when an accident like that happens its horrible, > but to see something like this happening on purpose is just indescribable. > And the numbers keep horrifying me……..over 6000 people in those trade > center buildings. That number is just stuck in my mind. Like the > earthquake in Oakland, all those highways coming down, but it was a natural > disaster. I just can’t comprehend 6000 people. It’s like when you read > about or see on the news an earthquake in a third world country and the > numbers of missing are staggering, but you just don’t "see" those things in > the middle of New York city. That’s in Peru or India, not New York. > So I think right now I’m still stuck in the pain and sadness of so many > people…….I haven’t really crossed over into the fear yet….at least > usually it doesn’t register that way in my mind, although it might be there > and I’m just not aware of it because besides my depression strengthening my > stress and anxiety is over the top. Usually that doesn’t happen when I’m in > the depths of depression. > Well Larry, you said we had to talk about it, so I hope I didn’t talk too > much or upset anybody, but this is what’s mostly in my mind right now. > tiny dancer
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Yeah I know Tiny sometimes I forget how to get a little grounded if I am in the thick of it. Try and be kind with yourself Tiny.Lots of love. I like Nancy’s gratitude list too. Here is the link but I haven’t updated any song yet .Will do soon. http://helski.itgo.com/ Helski
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sounds like you’re having a helluva rough time – how about a karaoke nite for ya? here’s a suzanne vega tune that describes things I think I’d like to help you doctor Yes I really really would But the din in my head It’s too much and it’s no good I’m standing in a windy tunnel Shouting through the roar And I’d like to give the information You’re asking for But blood makes noise It’s a ringing in my ear Blood makes noise And I can’t really hear you In the thickening of fear I think that you might want to know The details and the facts But there’s something in my blood Denies the memory of the acts So just forget it Doc. I think it’s really Cool that you’re concerned But we’ll have to try again After the silence has returned Cause blood makes noise It’s a ringing in my ear Blood makes noise And I can’t really hear you In the thickening of fear Blood makes noise… — RB A lot of people ask me if I were shipwrecked, and could only have one book, what would it be? I always say ‘How to Build a Boat.’ "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Iwct7.34262$0x.13108028@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Are the rest of you guys having trouble with SEVERE anxiety?? I’m about > crawling out of my skin anxious. My heart is racing, can’t seem to settle > down at all. Even my typing is off, I type wrong keys all the time and have > to go back, which is really unusual for me. I’m a pretty good typist > otherwise. My hands shake, feel like I need to scream, and really want to > punch somebody. > tiny dancer
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Thanks Rudy, That song was a pretty good fit. I sure do miss our karaoke’s and Crouching Trauma’s. I hardly even have a song in me lately. 
You know what’s been running through my mind and I can’t even remember the song or who sings it but it goes like…….. These eyes have seen alot of love but their never gonna see another one like you….. These eyes have cried…….la da da la da da The hurtin’s on me…… So many sad songs, as Elton would say….Sad songs say so much. tiny dancer "Rudolph Berthold" <rberth…@canada.com> wrote in message
news:%ttt7.33863$Z2.488897@nnrp1.uunet.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> sounds like you’re having a helluva rough time – how about a karaoke nite > for ya? > here’s a suzanne vega tune that describes things I think > I’d like to help you doctor > Yes I really really would > But the din in my head > It’s too much and it’s no good > I’m standing in a windy tunnel > Shouting through the roar > And I’d like to give the information > You’re asking for > But blood makes noise > It’s a ringing in my ear > Blood makes noise > And I can’t really hear you > In the thickening of fear > I think that you might want to know > The details and the facts > But there’s something in my blood > Denies the memory of the acts > So just forget it Doc. > I think it’s really > Cool that you’re concerned > But we’ll have to try again > After the silence has returned > Cause blood makes noise > It’s a ringing in my ear > Blood makes noise > And I can’t really hear you > In the thickening of fear > Blood makes noise… > — > RB > A lot of people ask me if I were shipwrecked, and could > only have one book, what would it be? > I always say ‘How to Build a Boat.’ > "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:Iwct7.34262$0x.13108028@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… > > Are the rest of you guys having trouble with SEVERE anxiety?? I’m about > > crawling out of my skin anxious. My heart is racing, can’t seem to settle > > down at all. Even my typing is off, I type wrong keys all the time and > have > > to go back, which is really unusual for me. I’m a pretty good typist > > otherwise. My hands shake, feel like I need to scream, and really want to > > punch somebody. > > tiny dancer
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Hey Kat, Do you still have that thing you wrote when Bro Vet was gone about Rex the Wonder Dog?? You know, sniffin him out?? That was so cute but I didn’t save it, or was that Rex sniffin out Rudy?? Anyway, I’d love to read it again if you’ve still got it. I could really use a laugh. tiny dancer "Kat" <kathi…@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:trc287ikjvqe90@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> thanks tiny, it’s good to be back. yes, i miss those days too. > hugs, > kat > "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:6zmt7.399591$TM5.61852912@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… > > Hey Kat, > > Don’t ‘cha just wanna go back to the days of "Nutville" and feel lighter > > again. I was sitting her last night thinking just a month or so ago we > were > > all enjoying "Crouching Trauma Hidden Stressors and dreaming about > Nutville. > > I’m so glad you’re back though, Kat. I really miss people when they have > to > > leave for awhile. Having both you and Bro Vet back are at least two > > positives. :-) > > tiny dancer > > "Kat" <kathi…@frontiernet.net> wrote in message > > news:tramb76c1gir33@corp.supernews.com… > > > Tiny, > > > Don’t feel alone–me too. It’s been awful. Like a free-floating > anxiety, > > > one minute I’m fine, the next minute my heart’s pounding so hard I can > > feel > > > it in my temples, my stomach, my feet, feels like it’s going to bounce > > right > > > out of my chest. Shit, I hate this. > > > kat > > > "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:Iwct7.34262$0x.13108028@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… > > > > Are the rest of you guys having trouble with SEVERE anxiety?? I’m > about > > > > crawling out of my skin anxious. My heart is racing, can’t seem to > > settle > > > > down at all. Even my typing is off, I type wrong keys all the time > and > > > have > > > > to go back, which is really unusual for me. I’m a pretty good typist > > > > otherwise. My hands shake, feel like I need to scream, and really > want > > to > > > > punch somebody. > > > > tiny dancer
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it’s ‘these eyes’ by the guess who These eyes cry every night for you these arms long to hold you again The hurtin’s on me, yeah but I will never be free, no, my baby no, no you gave a promise to me yeah you broke it, you broke it These eyes watched you bring my world to an end this heart could not accept and pretend The hurtin’s on me yeah but I will never be free, no, no, no You took a vow with me yeah you spoke it, you spoke it (baby…) These eyes aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare cryinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg these eyes have seen a lot of love but their never gonna see another one like I had with you These eyes cry every night for you these arms long to hold you again These eyes are crying these eyes have seen a lot of love but their never gonna see another one like I had with you but their never gonna see another one like I had with you but their never gonna see another one like I had with youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu u uuuuuuuuuu*gasp!* — RB A lot of people ask me if I were shipwrecked, and could only have one book, what would it be? I always say ‘How to Build a Boat.’ "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cAwt7.400504$TM5.62259147@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks Rudy, > That song was a pretty good fit. I sure do miss our karaoke’s and Crouching > Trauma’s. I hardly even have a song in me lately. You know what’s been > running through my mind and I can’t even remember the song or who sings it > but it goes like…….. > These eyes have seen alot of love but their never gonna see another one like > you….. > These eyes have cried…….la da da la da da > The hurtin’s on me…… > So many sad songs, as Elton would say….Sad songs say so much. > tiny dancer > "Rudolph Berthold" <rberth…@canada.com> wrote in message > news:%ttt7.33863$Z2.488897@nnrp1.uunet.ca… > > sounds like you’re having a helluva rough time – how about a karaoke nite > > for ya? > > here’s a suzanne vega tune that describes things I think > > I’d like to help you doctor > > Yes I really really would > > But the din in my head > > It’s too much and it’s no good > > I’m standing in a windy tunnel > > Shouting through the roar > > And I’d like to give the information > > You’re asking for > > But blood makes noise > > It’s a ringing in my ear > > Blood makes noise > > And I can’t really hear you > > In the thickening of fear > > I think that you might want to know > > The details and the facts > > But there’s something in my blood > > Denies the memory of the acts > > So just forget it Doc. > > I think it’s really > > Cool that you’re concerned > > But we’ll have to try again > > After the silence has returned > > Cause blood makes noise > > It’s a ringing in my ear > > Blood makes noise > > And I can’t really hear you > > In the thickening of fear > > Blood makes noise… > > — > > RB > > A lot of people ask me if I were shipwrecked, and could > > only have one book, what would it be? > > I always say ‘How to Build a Boat.’ > > "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:Iwct7.34262$0x.13108028@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… > > > Are the rest of you guys having trouble with SEVERE anxiety?? I’m about > > > crawling out of my skin anxious. My heart is racing, can’t seem to > settle > > > down at all. Even my typing is off, I type wrong keys all the time and > > have > > > to go back, which is really unusual for me. I’m a pretty good typist > > > otherwise. My hands shake, feel like I need to scream, and really want > to > > > punch somebody. > > > tiny dancer
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Hey, tiny – I think the song you have playing in your mind is "These Eyes" by the Guess Who, written by Burton Cummings and Randy Bachman. It’s one of my favorites. Take care, okay? Hannah These Eyes These eyes cry every night for you. These arms long to hold you again. The hurtin’s on me yeah, But I will never be free no my baby, no no. You gave a promise to me yeah and you broke it, you broke it. Oh, no. These eyes watched you bring my world to an end. This heart could not accept and pretend. The hurtin’s on me yeah, But I will never be free no no no. You took the vow with me yeah. You spoke it, you spoke it, babe. These eyes are cryin’ These eyes have seen a lot of loves But they’re never gonna see another one like I had with you. These eyes are cryin’ These eyes have seen a lot of loves But they’re never gonna see another one like I had with you. These eyes are cryin’ These eyes have seen a lot of loves But they’re never gonna see another one like I had with you. These eyes cry every night for you. These arms, these arms long to hold you, hold you again. These eyes are cryin’ These eyes have seen a lot of loves But they’re never gonna see another one like I had with you. These eyes are cryin’ These eyes have seen a lot of loves But they’re never gonna see another one like I had with you. These eyes are cryin’ These eyes have seen a lot of loves But they’re never gonna see another one like I had with you. These eyes are cryin’ These eyes have seen a lot of loves But they’re never gonna see another one like I had with you. Baby, baby, baby, baby.
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Shannon, I wonder if the guy who complained and the employer were in the anti-war protests that have been going on. I’m sad for this man and for you. We all say things at times that are a product of stress. The Moslems in this country should be thankful that we’ve progressed past the WWII way of thinking. If we hadn’t they would all be in the process of being rounded up and put in camps. Tell him to take his situation to the Press. I don’t particularly like the press but they at times can expose stupid people for what they are, stupid. Larry L. "LyonLass" <lyonl…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010930012238.15523.00002692@mb-mv.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Old friend showed up at my door this morning. He was at work about a week ago > and people where hanging around the lunchroom talking about the attacks and he > made a very stupid, racist comment. He immediatly apologized, said he was > stressed, didn’t know why he blurted that out. Someone complained and he is now > on unpaid suspension until further investigation. This is a guy who survived > childhood polio, runs a theraputic horseback riding program for disabled kids, > would give anyone the shirt off his back, and in the 22 years I’ve known him > has never uttered a negative, let alone racist comment. I just keep thinking > what enormous stress he must have been under, to let the ugliness of the > attacks make him say ugly things. > I went to bed early, woke up a little while ago just crying. It has come down > to just feeling like I am useless. All those people who died, listening to the > stories of their lifes, the families missing them. They where successful, > productive, driven, happy, social. The rescuers brave, unyeilding. Everything > I am never going to be, because I am fucked up with ptsd. > I feel guilty. Wish I could bargain for them. > Shannon
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Thanks Larry, For some reason that was the absolute first thing that hit me, the people. Maybe it was actually seeing that second plane in "real time" not later, that did it for me, I don’t know. But I just can’t seem to get past that part of it. I wish I could, I feel like a stuck record. tiny dancer "Lawrence Lusk" <lelvn…@charter.net> wrote in message
news:trcdh0krjmcjdb@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> td, it makes me feel good that you feel that this is a safe place and that > our "family" is a safe place to talk about your fears. I haven’t allowed > myself feel anything about the passengers and the people in the WTC yet. We > deal with what we can at the moment and that is the way, I think, it’s > supposed to work. Take care. > Larry L. > "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:v8nt7.399598$TM5.61879411@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… > > Hi Larry & Nancy, > > Thank you for your suggestions. I don’t really feel "fear" yet, or at > least > > it isn’t coming out that way. I’m still stuck in the horror of it all. I > > can’t seem to get past passenger airplanes, full of innocent people, not > > soldiers in a battle or anything, but people totally unaware when they > > boarded that plane that they’d become "human bombs", splatting into > > buildings full of innocent people. Not people who "knew" they were at war > > with anybody that day, just people who got up in the morning and went to > > work as usual. You know, when an accident like that happens its horrible, > > but to see something like this happening on purpose is just indescribable. > > And the numbers keep horrifying me……..over 6000 people in those trade > > center buildings. That number is just stuck in my mind. Like the > > earthquake in Oakland, all those highways coming down, but it was a > natural > > disaster. I just can’t comprehend 6000 people. It’s like when you read > > about or see on the news an earthquake in a third world country and the > > numbers of missing are staggering, but you just don’t "see" those things > in > > the middle of New York city. That’s in Peru or India, not New York. > > So I think right now I’m still stuck in the pain and sadness of so many > > people…….I haven’t really crossed over into the fear yet….at least > > usually it doesn’t register that way in my mind, although it might be > there > > and I’m just not aware of it because besides my depression strengthening > my > > stress and anxiety is over the top. Usually that doesn’t happen when I’m > in > > the depths of depression. > > Well Larry, you said we had to talk about it, so I hope I didn’t talk too > > much or upset anybody, but this is what’s mostly in my mind right now. > > tiny dancer
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Hang in there Hannah, it will work out, I promise. Good Luck. tiny "Hannah." <blha…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:B7DB47B7.22BF%blhage8@hotmail.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Tiny and Nancy – > > Hi Tiny! > >> Are the rest of you guys having trouble with SEVERE anxiety?? I’m about > >> crawling out of my skin anxious. My heart is racing, can’t seem to settle > >> down at all. Even my typing is off, I type wrong keys all the time and > > have > >> to go back, which is really unusual for me. I’m a pretty good typist > >> otherwise. My hands shake, feel like I need to scream, and really want to > >> punch somebody. > I’m much the same here. And geez, as you can see from several of my recent > posts, my head’s not all here either. ( > > So, what can I do for > > myself to be more comfortable with the changes since Sep 11? > > 1. An attitude of gratitude: my son and I are as safe as we were before the > > attacks. > > 2. A reality check: folks all over the planet have been struggling with > > terrorist attacks from militant fundamentalists of all persuasions for eons. > > There was really nothing personal against me in the attack. > > 3. Another reality check: my therapy has involved being authentic. If I am > > authentic with myself, I can acknowledge that the only difference of before > > Sep 11 and after is that those airplanes not only went ’splat’ against > > buildings, they went ’splat’ against my mind and emotions. This ’splat’ was > > bigger than the Beirut Marine barracks bombing, the bombings in Saudi etc > > etc because I saw it in ‘real time’ and because it was on U.S. soil. We > > thought that we were immune to ’splats’ as we are ’safely behind two > > oceans’; our hubris caught up with us. :/ > > Thus, when I can get some perspective on what has changed ‘inside my mind’, > > I can go back to the tools of living I’ve learned from therapy: > > 1. taking care of myself physically: sleep, food and exercise > > 2. calming my emotional self with guided imagery meditation, nature walks > > 3. calming my physical body with long tub soaks, candles, aromatherapy (and > > percosets > > 4. knowing that I do not decide when I will ‘buy the farm’ so there is no > > point in fearing that day … it is beyond my control. > > 5. remembering that the best way to deal with an abuser is to refuse to let > > the abuser and his actions control my actions and reactions. That applies > > not only to folks around me but also folks far away. > > YMMV > > Smile and there will be something to smile about! > > Nancy > Great post, Nancy, thank you. You’ve always got a great way of outlining and > separating things so they make sense and can be absorbed and understood – > and applied! > Hannah > Hannah
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Hey Kat, Don’t ‘cha just wanna go back to the days of "Nutville" and feel lighter again. I was sitting her last night thinking just a month or so ago we were all enjoying "Crouching Trauma Hidden Stressors and dreaming about Nutville. I’m so glad you’re back though, Kat. I really miss people when they have to leave for awhile. Having both you and Bro Vet back are at least two positives. :-) tiny dancer "Kat" <kathi…@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:tramb76c1gir33@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Tiny, > Don’t feel alone–me too. It’s been awful. Like a free-floating anxiety, > one minute I’m fine, the next minute my heart’s pounding so hard I can feel > it in my temples, my stomach, my feet, feels like it’s going to bounce right > out of my chest. Shit, I hate this. > kat > "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:Iwct7.34262$0x.13108028@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… > > Are the rest of you guys having trouble with SEVERE anxiety?? I’m about > > crawling out of my skin anxious. My heart is racing, can’t seem to settle > > down at all. Even my typing is off, I type wrong keys all the time and > have > > to go back, which is really unusual for me. I’m a pretty good typist > > otherwise. My hands shake, feel like I need to scream, and really want to > > punch somebody. > > tiny dancer
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Thanks Helski, for all your "grounding" suggestions. You know, sometimes when "one is in the thick of it" one just can’t "remember" those things oneself. I have hardly even listened to music lately. And though my xanax is prescribed 3 times daily, morning, afternoon, and evening, I have long ago gotten into the habit of "skipping" my afternoon dose. I think now would probably be a good time to get myself back into the habit of taking it again. I have been "dipping into" my stock of comfort M&M’s more lately , and you’re right. A couple good funny movies would really help me. Hubby took Mr. Bush’s recommendation a few weeks ago and spent our "tax refund" on a DVD player. Trouble is, the only really good funny movies I know of are old ones. It seems lately I haven’t found any really great comedies to rent. We got some free rentals with the thing but I haven’t used any yet. Any suggestions would be appreciated?? Have been getting a few extra cuddles from my grandbaby and grandpuppies, guess I’ll have to "get hubby" involved here too ! :-) Thanks for all your thoughtful help, with you feeling so badly yourself. I have been looking forward to hearing the rest of "Time After Time" and whatever songs you post on your site. Could you give me the address again? I think I forgot to mark it one of my favorites and I want to be able to get back there for more music when it’s available. You take care too, of yourself and Tess, and hang in there with daughter. Best, tiny dancer "Helsk" <hel…@idl.net.au> wrote in message
news:1001741024.418503@bigboy… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Tiny sounds as though you are experiencing a onslaught of symptoms. > I have to take the benzos for three days to try and knock the palps I am > experiencing off. > In the past the racing heart was the predecessor of palps. > Do you take any sedative type meds or can you go see your pysch or an MD > about it. > What about meditation.Maybe do not watch any news or do not listen for a > while. > Play your fave.records-Queen-Elton? > Burn some oils-get some really yummy food and indulge. > Hire some comedy videos. > Get some extra sleep/naps. > Extra cuddles maybe? > Take the phone off the hook. > Surf the net. > Go and sit by a large body of water or take a walk out amongst the trees > and hills. > Close the doors and scream and swear to your hearts ….*** > These are some of my strategies……some help sometimes.:-(…..:-) > I know you know about all of these. > In an answer to your question yes I feel similar.Although the benzos are > kicking in. > Helski
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Hi Larry & Nancy, Thank you for your suggestions. I don’t really feel "fear" yet, or at least it isn’t coming out that way. I’m still stuck in the horror of it all. I can’t seem to get past passenger airplanes, full of innocent people, not soldiers in a battle or anything, but people totally unaware when they boarded that plane that they’d become "human bombs", splatting into buildings full of innocent people. Not people who "knew" they were at war with anybody that day, just people who got up in the morning and went to work as usual. You know, when an accident like that happens its horrible, but to see something like this happening on purpose is just indescribable. And the numbers keep horrifying me……..over 6000 people in those trade center buildings. That number is just stuck in my mind. Like the earthquake in Oakland, all those highways coming down, but it was a natural disaster. I just can’t comprehend 6000 people. It’s like when you read about or see on the news an earthquake in a third world country and the numbers of missing are staggering, but you just don’t "see" those things in the middle of New York city. That’s in Peru or India, not New York. So I think right now I’m still stuck in the pain and sadness of so many people…….I haven’t really crossed over into the fear yet….at least usually it doesn’t register that way in my mind, although it might be there and I’m just not aware of it because besides my depression strengthening my stress and anxiety is over the top. Usually that doesn’t happen when I’m in the depths of depression. Well Larry, you said we had to talk about it, so I hope I didn’t talk too much or upset anybody, but this is what’s mostly in my mind right now. tiny dancer "Nancy" <ki…@cris.com> wrote in message
news:9p4eid$oah@dispatch.concentric.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Tiny! > > Are the rest of you guys having trouble with SEVERE anxiety?? I’m about > > crawling out of my skin anxious. My heart is racing, can’t seem to settle > > down at all. Even my typing is off, I type wrong keys all the time and > have > > to go back, which is really unusual for me. I’m a pretty good typist > > otherwise. My hands shake, feel like I need to scream, and really want to > > punch somebody. > Well, since last night I am loaded to the gills with percosets (dental > surgery yesterday to keep my teeth in my head, including some kind of bone > graft material), so if the following makes no sense, please excuse my > thought process. > If we accept that our anxiety comes from our fears, then we need to address > our fears to lessen our anxiety. That means, to me, that I have to go into > ‘rational Nancy’ and figure out what I am fearful about. > My fears usually are about uncontrollable changes around me. When I am > working on this, I need to remember that ‘controlled change’ is an illusion; > no one really can control change, least of all me. So, what can I do for > myself to be more comfortable with the changes since Sep 11? > 1. An attitude of gratitude: my son and I are as safe as we were before the > attacks. > 2. A reality check: folks all over the planet have been struggling with > terrorist attacks from militant fundamentalists of all persuasions for eons. > There was really nothing personal against me in the attack. > 3. Another reality check: my therapy has involved being authentic. If I am > authentic with myself, I can acknowledge that the only difference of before > Sep 11 and after is that those airplanes not only went ’splat’ against > buildings, they went ’splat’ against my mind and emotions. This ’splat’ was > bigger than the Beirut Marine barracks bombing, the bombings in Saudi etc > etc because I saw it in ‘real time’ and because it was on U.S. soil. We > thought that we were immune to ’splats’ as we are ’safely behind two > oceans’; our hubris caught up with us. :/ > Thus, when I can get some perspective on what has changed ‘inside my mind’, > I can go back to the tools of living I’ve learned from therapy: > 1. taking care of myself physically: sleep, food and exercise > 2. calming my emotional self with guided imagery meditation, nature walks > 3. calming my physical body with long tub soaks, candles, aromatherapy (and > percosets > 4. knowing that I do not decide when I will ‘buy the farm’ so there is no > point in fearing that day … it is beyond my control. > 5. remembering that the best way to deal with an abuser is to refuse to let > the abuser and his actions control my actions and reactions. That applies > not only to folks around me but also folks far away. > YMMV > Smile and there will be something to smile about! > Nancy
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Tiny sounds as though you are experiencing a onslaught of symptoms. I have to take the benzos for three days to try and knock the palps I am experiencing off. In the past the racing heart was the predecessor of palps. Do you take any sedative type meds or can you go see your pysch or an MD about it. What about meditation.Maybe do not watch any news or do not listen for a while. Play your fave.records-Queen-Elton? Burn some oils-get some really yummy food and indulge. Hire some comedy videos. Get some extra sleep/naps. Extra cuddles maybe? Take the phone off the hook. Surf the net. Go and sit by a large body of water or take a walk out amongst the trees and hills. Close the doors and scream and swear to your hearts ….*** These are some of my strategies……some help sometimes.:-(…..:-) I know you know about all of these. In an answer to your question yes I feel similar.Although the benzos are kicking in. Helski
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yup. My brain is swiss fucking cheese. A colander holds more noodles than I’m carrying. Its the shit with terrorism. I figure it just notches up that fear inside of us that have experienced terror. I’m either in the pit or pulling myself out on a steep drop of anxiety. Its messy, but it will pass. It has to, right? I ain’t giving in to it that’s for damn sure. You’ll make it tiny. Kristine If natural energy and impulses are too severely suppressed for too long, they become violent. It’s natural for something that’s been held under pressure to become violent in its release…Jim Morrison
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Hang in there td, and everyone else also. I’ve been having trouble too, more so because I know to an extent what our soldiers are going to face (and what the people where the fighting is going to take place are feeling). I find that talking about it with people you feel safe with helps a lot. Wish I could blame my hitting the wrong keys while typing on this (but I might anyway, old war wounds are getting to be an old excuse). At least our PTSD gives us some perspective on what other people are now going through. This will pass eventually but in the mean time lets be there for each other. Larry L. "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Iwct7.34262$0x.13108028@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Are the rest of you guys having trouble with SEVERE anxiety?? I’m about > crawling out of my skin anxious. My heart is racing, can’t seem to settle > down at all. Even my typing is off, I type wrong keys all the time and have > to go back, which is really unusual for me. I’m a pretty good typist > otherwise. My hands shake, feel like I need to scream, and really want to > punch somebody. > tiny dancer
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Well said Larry.:-) helski
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Hi Tiny! > Are the rest of you guys having trouble with SEVERE anxiety?? I’m about > crawling out of my skin anxious. My heart is racing, can’t seem to settle > down at all. Even my typing is off, I type wrong keys all the time and have > to go back, which is really unusual for me. I’m a pretty good typist > otherwise. My hands shake, feel like I need to scream, and really want to > punch somebody.
Well, since last night I am loaded to the gills with percosets (dental surgery yesterday to keep my teeth in my head, including some kind of bone graft material), so if the following makes no sense, please excuse my thought process. If we accept that our anxiety comes from our fears, then we need to address our fears to lessen our anxiety. That means, to me, that I have to go into ‘rational Nancy’ and figure out what I am fearful about. My fears usually are about uncontrollable changes around me. When I am working on this, I need to remember that ‘controlled change’ is an illusion; no one really can control change, least of all me. So, what can I do for myself to be more comfortable with the changes since Sep 11? 1. An attitude of gratitude: my son and I are as safe as we were before the attacks. 2. A reality check: folks all over the planet have been struggling with terrorist attacks from militant fundamentalists of all persuasions for eons. There was really nothing personal against me in the attack. 3. Another reality check: my therapy has involved being authentic. If I am authentic with myself, I can acknowledge that the only difference of before Sep 11 and after is that those airplanes not only went ’splat’ against buildings, they went ’splat’ against my mind and emotions. This ’splat’ was bigger than the Beirut Marine barracks bombing, the bombings in Saudi etc etc because I saw it in ‘real time’ and because it was on U.S. soil. We thought that we were immune to ’splats’ as we are ’safely behind two oceans’; our hubris caught up with us. :/ Thus, when I can get some perspective on what has changed ‘inside my mind’, I can go back to the tools of living I’ve learned from therapy: 1. taking care of myself physically: sleep, food and exercise 2. calming my emotional self with guided imagery meditation, nature walks 3. calming my physical body with long tub soaks, candles, aromatherapy (and percosets 4. knowing that I do not decide when I will ‘buy the farm’ so there is no point in fearing that day … it is beyond my control. 5. remembering that the best way to deal with an abuser is to refuse to let the abuser and his actions control my actions and reactions. That applies not only to folks around me but also folks far away. YMMV Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy
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Hi Tiny and Nancy – > Hi Tiny! >> Are the rest of you guys having trouble with SEVERE anxiety?? I’m about >> crawling out of my skin anxious. My heart is racing, can’t seem to settle >> down at all. Even my typing is off, I type wrong keys all the time and > have >> to go back, which is really unusual for me. I’m a pretty good typist >> otherwise. My hands shake, feel like I need to scream, and really want to >> punch somebody.
I’m much the same here. And geez, as you can see from several of my recent posts, my head’s not all here either. ( – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So, what can I do for > myself to be more comfortable with the changes since Sep 11? > 1. An attitude of gratitude: my son and I are as safe as we were before the > attacks. > 2. A reality check: folks all over the planet have been struggling with > terrorist attacks from militant fundamentalists of all persuasions for eons. > There was really nothing personal against me in the attack. > 3. Another reality check: my therapy has involved being authentic. If I am > authentic with myself, I can acknowledge that the only difference of before > Sep 11 and after is that those airplanes not only went ’splat’ against > buildings, they went ’splat’ against my mind and emotions. This ’splat’ was > bigger than the Beirut Marine barracks bombing, the bombings in Saudi etc > etc because I saw it in ‘real time’ and because it was on U.S. soil. We > thought that we were immune to ’splats’ as we are ’safely behind two > oceans’; our hubris caught up with us. :/ > Thus, when I can get some perspective on what has changed ‘inside my mind’, > I can go back to the tools of living I’ve learned from therapy: > 1. taking care of myself physically: sleep, food and exercise > 2. calming my emotional self with guided imagery meditation, nature walks > 3. calming my physical body with long tub soaks, candles, aromatherapy (and > percosets > 4. knowing that I do not decide when I will ‘buy the farm’ so there is no > point in fearing that day … it is beyond my control. > 5. remembering that the best way to deal with an abuser is to refuse to let > the abuser and his actions control my actions and reactions. That applies > not only to folks around me but also folks far away. > YMMV > Smile and there will be something to smile about! > Nancy
Great post, Nancy, thank you. You’ve always got a great way of outlining and separating things so they make sense and can be absorbed and understood – and applied! Hannah Hannah
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Are the rest of you guys having trouble with SEVERE anxiety?? I’m about crawling out of my skin anxious. My heart is racing, can’t seem to settle down at all. Even my typing is off, I type wrong keys all the time and have to go back, which is really unusual for me. I’m a pretty good typist otherwise. My hands shake, feel like I need to scream, and really want to punch somebody. tiny dancer
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Tiny, Don’t feel alone–me too. It’s been awful. Like a free-floating anxiety, one minute I’m fine, the next minute my heart’s pounding so hard I can feel it in my temples, my stomach, my feet, feels like it’s going to bounce right out of my chest. Shit, I hate this. kat "tiny dancer" <tinydancer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Iwct7.34262$0x.13108028@typhoon.southeast.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Are the rest of you guys having trouble with SEVERE anxiety?? I’m about > crawling out of my skin anxious. My heart is racing, can’t seem to settle > down at all. Even my typing is off, I type wrong keys all the time and have > to go back, which is really unusual for me. I’m a pretty good typist > otherwise. My hands shake, feel like I need to scream, and really want to > punch somebody. > tiny dancer
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