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I have discovered for myself though that behind all my fears and even this one is the fear I can not handle it.
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I have been reading a bit lately, and I have come to the conclusion that panic and anxiety sufferers have only one, underlying fear that all of the other phobias spawn from. Some common fears are of embarrasment or humiliation, illness, or death. Where do all of your fears trace their roots to? What is the common factor in all of your fears?
I am afraid to die, afraid of the nothingness afterward. I can’t believe I wont be here anymore. Lorri http://hometown.aol.com/lorr1/myhomepage4index.html
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– TC3 Cheryl, I have the same fear as you……HOW am I going to die? I am positive no one in their right mind wants to go out in a painful, ugly way.
After some ugly deaths in my profession, I pray it’s just the big one and fast like my step dad. ((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))) about the after part! That shall be the ULTIMATE benzo!!!!!! 
THE ultimate rush…of course, I am a little worried about Judgement day…LOL The after part will be so strange to see your loved ones waiting for you. I can’t wait, I say bring it on Baby! Love you Mush. Cheryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mush! ~Katie Nice post Katie. I am afraid of HOW I am going to die, I hope it’s a peaceful passing but I am absolutely positive about the after part…it will be okay..I am so sure of that…All the posts were nice in this subject. Cheryl — TC3 I have been reading a bit lately, and I have come to the conclusion that panic and anxiety sufferers have only one, underlying fear that all of the other phobias spawn from. Some common fears are of embarrasment or humiliation, illness, or death. Where do all of your fears trace their roots to? What is the common factor in all of your fears? I am discovering more and more that my primary fear is of nothingness. For some time I mistakenly felt that it was a fear of death and dying and for a while I was satisfied to believe that. But what makes death so fearful? Because death is the end of existence. I have trained myself to believe that life, and the nature of the universe begins from nothing and ends in nothing. That there is no god or gods, that the realm of metaphysics is delusional, and that therefore there is no point to life, so why bother? Why continue? I know that I cannot kid myself into believing in any sort of religious belief. I do not believe in any concept of an afterlife or reincarnation, and that when one dies, there is only nothingness. "Ex nihilo nihil fit" – Out of nothing comes nothing. This sounds extra cool because it’s in Latin. – But it is actually dogma steeped in western thought. And so I feel that what I am facing is a spiritual crisis. One from the like I have never had to deal with, mainly because I consciously avoided it. By training myself to be skeptical and assuming that all spiritualty is a mask for religion which is actually an efficient means to control large populations. What it boils down to is that there is a difference between belief and faith. Belief is accepting what you have been told. Faith is accepting things as they are without question, by means of letting go. Andy Andy, You are an incredibly articulate writer! Your post is quite thought- provoking. I have no clue where my anxiety stems from other than my PTSD. My best guess is fear of abandonment. I am a very spiritual person. I hesitate to use the word religious, because religion is VERY different from the personal, spiritual relationship one has with God. (or whomever you believe to be the Higher Power, Supreme Being, etc) "Religion" is an institution created by humans. But spirituality can only be encountered within oneself. Faith is a wonderful thing, and ‘letting go’ is the most liberating of feelings. My deep faith in God has allowed me to let go of much ugliness and concern and replace it with peace. No, I am not perfect. My infirmities are too numerous to count. However, the peace I have found within my relationship with God has done much to alleviate my anxieties……as long as I remember to "LET GO!" Take Care, Andy. Thank you for sharing such deep thoughts! Kindest Regards, Katie — "A word to the wise ain’t necessary. It’s the stupid who need the advice." —Will Rogers Before you buy. — "A word to the wise ain’t necessary. It’s the stupid who need the advice." —Will Rogers Before you buy.
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I’m with you Cheryl. Its the how that concerns me more than the when, or whats next. The how better concern you!! I hope to have a hand in that "how"<VBG. You better pack the bikini underwear, because you are going where it is HOT!!! Jackie ))
Just as long as it ain’t anywhere near you I’ll be fine. 
~~~~~ Ian
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Nice post Katie. I am afraid of HOW I am going to die, I hope it’s a peaceful passing but I am absolutely positive about the after part…it will be okay..I am so sure of that…All the posts were nice in this subject. Cheryl
I’m with you Cheryl. Its the how that concerns me more than the when, or whats next. I figure that the whats next is unlikely to be much worse than the here and now, and if its nothing, then that isn’t a problem either. Ian
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I’m with you Cheryl. Its the how that concerns me more than the when, or whats next.
The how better concern you!! I hope to have a hand in that "how"<VBG. You better pack the bikini underwear, because you are going where it is HOT!!! Jackie ))
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and this is the root of my anxiety. I don’t think so-it is the root of ontological angst if one allows this paradigm of nhilism and existential alonness to permeate ones existence in denial of ones free will causal relationships and pragmatizm to have any place in their own psychological schema
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I have to admit that I know of Sarte but I have only read a limited amount of his work. I am just functioning and attempting to reason on the paltry amount of vagaries I have been able to piece together from various sources. Not all of them are philosophical, but historical, literary and artistic. I am finding it very necessary to abandon this point of view that I have outlined, which does smack very much of existentialism. Andy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you sez….. I have been reading a bit lately, and I have come to the conclusion that panic and anxiety sufferers have only one, underlying fear that all of the other phobias spawn from. Some common fears are of embarrasment or humiliation, illness, or death. Where do all of your fears trace their roots to? What is the common factor in all of your fears? I narrowed it down a couple weeks ago to two fears. Death Embarrasment I am discovering more and more that my primary fear is of nothingness. For some time I mistakenly felt that it was a fear of death and dying and for a while I was satisfied to believe that. But what makes death so fearful? Because death is the end of existence. I have trained myself to believe that life, and the nature of the universe begins from nothing and ends in nothing. That there is no god or gods, that the realm of metaphysics is delusional, and that therefore there is no point to life, so why bother? Why continue? I know that I cannot kid myself into believing in any sort of religious belief. I do not believe in any concept of an afterlife or reincarnation, and that when one dies, there is only nothingness. "Ex nihilo nihil fit" – Out of nothing comes nothing. This sounds extra cool because it’s in Latin. – But it is actually dogma steeped in western thought. And so I feel that what I am facing is a spiritual crisis. One from the like I have never had to deal with, mainly because I consciously avoided it. By training myself to be skeptical and assuming that all spiritualty is a mask for religion which is actually an efficient means to control large populations. What it boils down to is that there is a difference between belief and faith. Belief is accepting what you have been told. Faith is accepting things as they are without question, by means of letting go. Andy You been reading Satre or some other existentialist? — "6" "Sorry I’m not your cup ‘o tea,but I don’t mind"
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that you’re tring to excuse your behavior and thought patterns (not YOU personally, but ever
sorry it got sent prematurely a premature ejacusentation an excuse for behavior is different then an explanation-we as humans have a predisposition to think and behave irrationaly and counterproductively it is just another reality it doesn’t excuse us but does indicate that since this is a biological predilection it is inherent within all of us But the kernel of what I am saying is that beyond our life, there is nothing. Out of
ok so now what?this comes a feling of insignificance in the universe. why? how would significance be defined within the construct of a huge universe? what becomes or is significant—-nothing is unless we make it so- Well, most likely, if I never existed, it would hardly make a difference
perhaps in the grand universal schem it wouldn’t but within the confines of your earthly endeavors and relationships it would since the cause and effect of your existance has touched many othersThis is not the kind of place an insecure and anxious little welp like me can fit in.
who says so? Besides you-what emperical data do you have that states 1. you should fit in and you must fit in and you don’t."happens around us" but it just happens, and it would just as easily happen without us
it also happens within us with us and in spite of us-the universe is indifferent to us indeed but we don’t have to be indifferent to itand this is the root of my anxiety. I don’t think so-it is the root of ontological angst if one allows this paradigm of nhilism and existential alonness to permeate ones existence in denial of ones free will causal relationships and pragmatizm to have any place in their own psychological schema fear of death is natural for everyone,
the desire to live is greater-one can be afraid of death as an unknown state of permanence but being actively fearful of ones demise doesn’t have to rule regulate or affect ones life unless if one chooses it to. Death has many faces and permutations some find honor or life in it some have a mystical or religious connotation to it some don’t. I have a will to live and prefer life to death but I have no fear of death I accept it as a part of life-I am not happy excuberant or willfully embracing my death but I do not fear it-I may however be concerned with how I die and how much pain and discomfort I may feel so I will do whatever I can to regulate this and deal with it in my life so that unnecessary pain is not endured. But what is to happen to us after we die
an unknown answer to a question is the only answer we have-no one has come back and told us-and for the most part it doesn’t matter-the choice is spending your life dwelling on things you cannot change (your death) or living a life well lived. This is another aspect of free will-choice. have yet to find a way to extricate myslef from it.
who says you have to-why must you extricate yourself from death-just the focus on it since that detracts from life. I am growing old and as I do can’t do things of youth any more come closer to my death and certainly become more frail-so what. If I choose not to accept this reality I will only be denying it and making myself sick over something that is beyond my control. Why bother. I think just getting to the root of this has been quite liberating.
because of what you are telling yourself about this mode of thinking-you are defining this liberation as liberating-it is only what it is-a system of thinking a belief a philosophy-if your ultimate conclusion is acceptance then that will be liberating since non acceptance is a demand for some holy purpose in the grand scheme of things and that ended in either the old or new testament depending upon your inclination grim tone
no no grimness at all endings are sad but what was lost has had much gain by being so this sadness is just confirmation that the life that was indeed was important even just to the liver of the life.. LM
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This is an age of anxiety,
all ages are the age of anxiety it is all relative to the age or period our anxiety has to do with being sensitive.
partlybecause we are too sensitive to begin with or it is because the anxiety makes us hypersensitive.
both-one is not exclusive but a derivitive of the other Well, the primitive part of my brain thinks this so I must believe it,
our brain is composed of several layers of structure relativelt speaking one is reptilian one is mamalian and one is of higher reasoning and language-abstract thinking-the wiring of these structures all goes through the portions of our brain that regulate and control emotions therefore our brains function on several levels simultaneously and one level being more primitive or elementary is just a reality-however we are not primitive nor are we apes and we do not have to indulge in any primitive or animalistic urges whatever they are-(sniffing a tree and peeing on it?) I feel that this is a big cop
most philosophies are as well and many brands of psychotherapy are philosophies.
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This is an age of anxiety, there is no doubt about that. And it is true that our anxiety has to do with being sensitive. But I can’t decide whether it is because we are too sensitive to begin with or it is because the anxiety makes us hypersensitive. To say that this is primitive is like saying, "Well, the primitive part of my brain thinks this so I must believe it, after all I am just a primitive ape with animal urges that I can’t deny." – I feel that this is a big cop-out and that you’re tring to excuse your behavior and thought patterns (not YOU personally, but everyone). But the kernel of what I am saying is that beyond our life, there is nothing. Out of this comes a feling of insignificance in the universe. In the grand schema of things, where do I fit in? Well, most likely, if I never existed, it would hardly make a difference. This is not the kind of place an insecure and anxious little welp like me can fit in. The world, nay the entire universe and all that we know to exist not only "happens around us" but it just happens, and it would just as easily happen without us. This is simply how I feel about it, and this is the root of my anxiety. You are right, fear of death is natural for everyone, but for us it is exaggerated. But what is to happen to us after we die? And to think that this not only happens to us but to all of our friends and loved ones as well. I am convinced, through pessimism, through skepticism, circular reasoning, etc. that death is an end to existence, and I, despite my ability to place myslef in such an elegantly complex mess, have yet to find a way to extricate myslef from it. That is not to say that after coming to this conclusion, and after I have scrawled this all out for everyone on ASAP to see that I don’t feel better about it. I think just getting to the root of this has been quite liberating. I have felt better this week than I have in a long time. I applogize for the overall grim tone, though. And I appologize if it has brought anybody down as a result. Andy
Sorry, I didn’t finish my first message. Those of us who are so deeply in tune with that primitive nature are especially sensitive to the fast- paced, hi-tech society that is going on around us. Do any of you feel that the world is just "happening around you"? I guess you might say that we are deep thinkers, looking beyond the shallowness of our society. But the status quo says to conform. We don’t feel comfortable with it. Not that we are resistant to change and progression, but in our minds there is a need to connect to something spiritually. It’s hard to be spiritual in this day and age.
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Sorry, I didn’t finish my first message. Those of us who are so deeply in tune with that primitive nature are especially sensitive to the fast- paced, hi-tech society that is going on around us. Do any of you feel that the world is just "happening around you"? I guess you might say that we are deep thinkers, looking beyond the shallowness of our society. But the status quo says to conform. We don’t feel comfortable with it. Not that we are resistant to change and progression, but in our minds there is a need to connect to something spiritually. It’s hard to be spiritual in this day and age.
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"I hope I die like my father, quietly and in his sleep, not screaming in agony like his passengers" – Jack Handy
this quite elegantly says it all LM
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I believe that fear of death is an instinct as deeply rooted in us as survival. Those are our animalistic traits that have survived the evolution of mankind. We don’t necessarily need those anymore, but some of us are much more deeply in tune with our primitive nature. I think that is where panic disorder stems from. Our sensitivity. We are basically more sensitive than others.
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"I hope I die like my father, quietly and in his sleep, not screaming in agony like his passengers" – Jack Handy
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Cheryl, I have the same fear as you……HOW am I going to die? I am positive no one in their right mind wants to go out in a painful, ugly way. ((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))) about the after part! That shall be the ULTIMATE benzo!!!!!! Mush! ~Katie Nice post Katie. I am afraid of HOW I am going to die, I hope it’s a peaceful passing but I am absolutely positive about the after part…it will be okay..I am so sure of that…All the posts were nice in this subject. Cheryl — TC3
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been reading a bit lately, and I have come to the conclusion that panic and anxiety sufferers have only one, underlying fear that all of the other phobias spawn from. Some common fears are of embarrasment or humiliation, illness, or death. Where do all of your fears trace their roots to? What is the common factor in all of your fears? I am discovering more and more that my primary fear is of nothingness. For some time I mistakenly felt that it was a fear of death and dying and for a while I was satisfied to believe that. But what makes death so fearful? Because death is the end of existence. I have trained myself to believe that life, and the nature of the universe begins from nothing and ends in nothing. That there is no god or gods, that the realm of metaphysics is delusional, and that therefore there is no point to life, so why bother? Why continue? I know that I cannot kid myself into believing in any sort of religious belief. I do not believe in any concept of an afterlife or reincarnation, and that when one dies, there is only nothingness. "Ex nihilo nihil fit" – Out of nothing comes nothing. This sounds extra cool because it’s in Latin. – But it is actually dogma steeped in western thought. And so I feel that what I am facing is a spiritual crisis. One from the like I have never had to deal with, mainly because I consciously avoided it. By training myself to be skeptical and assuming that all spiritualty is a mask for religion which is actually an efficient means to control large populations. What it boils down to is that there is a difference between belief and faith. Belief is accepting what you have been told. Faith is accepting things as they are without question, by means of letting go. Andy Andy, You are an incredibly articulate writer! Your post is quite thought- provoking. I have no clue where my anxiety stems from other than my PTSD. My best guess is fear of abandonment. I am a very spiritual person. I hesitate to use the word religious, because religion is VERY different from the personal, spiritual relationship one has with God. (or whomever you believe to be the Higher Power, Supreme Being, etc) "Religion" is an institution created by humans. But spirituality can only be encountered within oneself. Faith is a wonderful thing, and ‘letting go’ is the most liberating of feelings. My deep faith in God has allowed me to let go of much ugliness and concern and replace it with peace. No, I am not perfect. My infirmities are too numerous to count. However, the peace I have found within my relationship with God has done much to alleviate my anxieties……as long as I remember to "LET GO!" Take Care, Andy. Thank you for sharing such deep thoughts! Kindest Regards, Katie — "A word to the wise ain’t necessary. It’s the stupid who need the advice." —Will Rogers Before you buy.
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I have been reading a bit lately, and I have come to the conclusion that panic and anxiety sufferers have only one, underlying fear that all of the other phobias spawn from. Some common fears are of embarrasment or humiliation, illness, or death. Where do all of your fears trace their roots to? What is the common factor in all of your fears? I am discovering more and more that my primary fear is of nothingness. For some time I mistakenly felt that it was a fear of death and dying and for a while I was satisfied to believe that. But what makes death so fearful? Because death is the end of existence. I have trained myself to believe that life, and the nature of the universe begins from nothing and ends in nothing. That there is no god or gods, that the realm of metaphysics is delusional, and that therefore there is no point to life, so why bother? Why continue? I know that I cannot kid myself into believing in any sort of religious belief. I do not believe in any concept of an afterlife or reincarnation, and that when one dies, there is only nothingness. "Ex nihilo nihil fit" – Out of nothing comes nothing. This sounds extra cool because it’s in Latin. – But it is actually dogma steeped in western thought. And so I feel that what I am facing is a spiritual crisis. One from the like I have never had to deal with, mainly because I consciously avoided it. By training myself to be skeptical and assuming that all spiritualty is a mask for religion which is actually an efficient means to control large populations. What it boils down to is that there is a difference between belief and faith. Belief is accepting what you have been told. Faith is accepting things as they are without question, by means of letting go. Andy —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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Hi Andy, The part I fear about death is the unknown. I’m not afraid of dying but I’m afraid of what comes after. Like you but I’m more afraid of the unknown about it then the feeling of nothingness. I have had that feeling. Like a big VIOD a sense of a black hole. You described it well. When I think of it the way you described I become afraid of my "being" also. Its the worst part of fear that I’ve known. I have discovered for myself though that behind all my fears and even this one is the fear I can not handle it. Charla
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been reading a bit lately, and I have come to the conclusion that panic and anxiety sufferers have only one, underlying fear that all of the other phobias spawn from. Some common fears are of embarrasment or humiliation, illness, or death. Where do all of your fears trace their roots to? What is the common factor in all of your fears? I am discovering more and more that my primary fear is of nothingness. For some time I mistakenly felt that it was a fear of death and dying and for a while I was satisfied to believe that. But what makes death so fearful? Because death is the end of existence. I have trained myself to believe that life, and the nature of the universe begins from nothing and ends in nothing. That there is no god or gods, that the realm of metaphysics is delusional, and that therefore there is no point to life, so why bother? Why continue? I know that I cannot kid myself into believing in any sort of religious belief. I do not believe in any concept of an afterlife or reincarnation, and that when one dies, there is only nothingness. "Ex nihilo nihil fit" – Out of nothing comes nothing. This sounds extra cool because it’s in Latin. – But it is actually dogma steeped in western thought. And so I feel that what I am facing is a spiritual crisis. One from the like I have never had to deal with, mainly because I consciously avoided it. By training myself to be skeptical and assuming that all spiritualty is a mask for religion which is actually an efficient means to control large populations. What it boils down to is that there is a difference between belief and faith. Belief is accepting what you have been told. Faith is accepting things as they are without question, by means of letting go. Andy —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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I realize that I am just at the tip of thei ceberg in terms of finding my own philosophical calculations. And I understand what you mean about having to compartmentalize things and how impossible that is. I definitely have a tendency to do that, and get especially frustrated when things will not fit into only two compartments. I have been reading The Wisdom of Insecurity by Alan Watts (just started this book the other day) and he describes it as trying to put water into boxes. How does one capture water in a box like shape for long enough to package it? Or trying to capture a flowing river in a bucket; once it is in a bucket it stops flowing. I am just trying to undo the type of skepticism and existentialism that I was once so interested in and clung to for security. I think that the hardcore belief that I once had in existntialism has failed me in a profound way because of its nature of nothingness. You are right about needing to have things concluded in a concrete and perfect way, and that this quest is a driving force; and I thank you very much for pointing this out. I had not considered this despite the fact that I have this tendency. But I think that it can’t get any worse for me in this regard. Thanks for the great dialog! Andy
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I am discovering more and more that my primary fear is of nothingness. By training myself to be skeptical and assuming that all spiritualty is a mask for religion which is actually What it boils down to is that there is a difference between belief and faith.
andy I don’t want to get into a long winded philosophical discussion although it would be interesting and perhaps enlightening on an intellectual level it may bore many here and take mucho space- you are engaging in non sequiteous conclusions and treaties here-you are involving yourself in asking specificaly vague questions about man (women) meaning in life and then jumping into whole new concepts that do not follow in a rational progression-you are doing this not because you do not have the intellectual acumen to not do this but because you are cognating through a depression and hence your conclusions are being filtered through a depressives brain belief is based upon many facets of epistemology whereas religion is based upon a divine epistemology that is not based upon empirical methodologies or the gathering of data and repeatable evidence rather in ones ability to have beliefs in mystical concepts and facts or purported facts-by asking these ontologicaly activating questions at this juncture you may be doing yourself a disservice simply because you are trying to find your place in this puzzle-where does andy fit into this cosmic schema-unfortunatly by seeking this info particularly in a definitively concrete and guaranteed or perfect way and almost making the quest of this knowledege your driving force you will almost always fail at procuring it frustrate yourself by not being able to get a perfectly compartmentalized objectively rational perspective and will no doubt make yourslef feel that life is that more futile and worthless since in the end is only emptyness and nothingness-even if this were true and irrefutable it by no means makes any difference in having an enjoyable fulfilling life that is rich with passion reasonably healthy and goal oriented disturbance is largely not completely a function of our beliefs our perceptions our evaluations of those perceptions and beliefs and our value system-by perpetuating a belief in nothingness ala sartre camus nietzhe et al: unless one has mucho ego strength will eventualy lead one into despair and depression-so until you are a bit less anxious perhaps this type of existential philosophising could be put on hold LM ps I would have enjoyed a fear of nothingness over a fear of fear since nothingness is the absence of anything whereas fear is a real contextual sensation
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been reading a bit lately, and I have come to the conclusion that panic and anxiety sufferers have only one, underlying fear that all of the other phobias spawn from. Some common fears are of embarrasment or humiliation, illness, or death. Where do all of your fears trace their roots to? What is the common factor in all of your fears? I am discovering more and more that my primary fear is of nothingness. For some time I mistakenly felt that it was a fear of death and dying and for a while I was satisfied to believe that. But what makes death so fearful? Because death is the end of existence. I have trained myself to believe that life, and the nature of the universe begins from nothing and ends in nothing. That there is no god or gods, that the realm of metaphysics is delusional, and that therefore there is no point to life, so why bother? Why continue? I know that I cannot kid myself into believing in any sort of religious belief. I do not believe in any concept of an afterlife or reincarnation, and that when one dies, there is only nothingness. "Ex nihilo nihil fit" – Out of nothing comes nothing. This sounds extra cool because it’s in Latin. – But it is actually dogma steeped in western thought. And so I feel that what I am facing is a spiritual crisis. One from the like I have never had to deal with, mainly because I consciously avoided it. By training myself to be skeptical and assuming that all spiritualty is a mask for religion which is actually an efficient means to control large populations. What it boils down to is that there is a difference between belief and faith. Belief is accepting what you have been told. Faith is accepting things as they are without question, by means of letting go. Andy
Andy, You are an incredibly articulate writer! Your post is quite thought- provoking. I have no clue where my anxiety stems from other than my PTSD. My best guess is fear of abandonment. I am a very spiritual person. I hesitate to use the word religious, because religion is VERY different from the personal, spiritual relationship one has with God. (or whomever you believe to be the Higher Power, Supreme Being, etc) "Religion" is an institution created by humans. But spirituality can only be encountered within oneself. Faith is a wonderful thing, and ‘letting go’ is the most liberating of feelings. My deep faith in God has allowed me to let go of much ugliness and concern and replace it with peace. No, I am not perfect. My infirmities are too numerous to count. However, the peace I have found within my relationship with God has done much to alleviate my anxieties……as long as I remember to "LET GO!" Take Care, Andy. Thank you for sharing such deep thoughts! Kindest Regards, Katie — "A word to the wise ain’t necessary. It’s the stupid who need the advice." —Will Rogers Before you buy.
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Nice post Katie. I am afraid of HOW I am going to die, I hope it’s a peaceful passing but I am absolutely positive about the after part…it will be okay..I am so sure of that…All the posts were nice in this subject. Cheryl — TC3 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been reading a bit lately, and I have come to the conclusion that panic and anxiety sufferers have only one, underlying fear that all of the other phobias spawn from. Some common fears are of embarrasment or humiliation, illness, or death. Where do all of your fears trace their roots to? What is the common factor in all of your fears? I am discovering more and more that my primary fear is of nothingness. For some time I mistakenly felt that it was a fear of death and dying and for a while I was satisfied to believe that. But what makes death so fearful? Because death is the end of existence. I have trained myself to believe that life, and the nature of the universe begins from nothing and ends in nothing. That there is no god or gods, that the realm of metaphysics is delusional, and that therefore there is no point to life, so why bother? Why continue? I know that I cannot kid myself into believing in any sort of religious belief. I do not believe in any concept of an afterlife or reincarnation, and that when one dies, there is only nothingness. "Ex nihilo nihil fit" – Out of nothing comes nothing. This sounds extra cool because it’s in Latin. – But it is actually dogma steeped in western thought. And so I feel that what I am facing is a spiritual crisis. One from the like I have never had to deal with, mainly because I consciously avoided it. By training myself to be skeptical and assuming that all spiritualty is a mask for religion which is actually an efficient means to control large populations. What it boils down to is that there is a difference between belief and faith. Belief is accepting what you have been told. Faith is accepting things as they are without question, by means of letting go. Andy Andy, You are an incredibly articulate writer! Your post is quite thought- provoking. I have no clue where my anxiety stems from other than my PTSD. My best guess is fear of abandonment. I am a very spiritual person. I hesitate to use the word religious, because religion is VERY different from the personal, spiritual relationship one has with God. (or whomever you believe to be the Higher Power, Supreme Being, etc) "Religion" is an institution created by humans. But spirituality can only be encountered within oneself. Faith is a wonderful thing, and ‘letting go’ is the most liberating of feelings. My deep faith in God has allowed me to let go of much ugliness and concern and replace it with peace. No, I am not perfect. My infirmities are too numerous to count. However, the peace I have found within my relationship with God has done much to alleviate my anxieties……as long as I remember to "LET GO!" Take Care, Andy. Thank you for sharing such deep thoughts! Kindest Regards, Katie — "A word to the wise ain’t necessary. It’s the stupid who need the advice." —Will Rogers Before you buy.
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