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first year psychology text book, "Psychology Today", states that sensory deprivation led to hallucinations in many test subjects (usually after only about 48 hours) ….. but almost all test subjects quit after 2 or 3 days, no one lasted longer than a week, so it’s hard to say Professor Schlong Dong <squir…@echelon.alias.net> wrote in message news:7f299ce94bcaed33882fcd34316b69e8@anonymous.poster… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. > No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender. > ——————————————————– > : Can schizophrenia be induced in perfectly normal people > : by repeatedly subjecting them to certain visual and auditory > : stimuli? > A lack of stimuli should be sufficient to induce a temporary psychosis, at > least for the duration of the sensory deprivation. > Well think of "The Matrix." Our reality is simply the sum of our tactile, > olfactory, visual, auditory, and other senses. If schizophrenia is indeed > more psychological than a neurochemical predisposition, then schizophrenia > could indeed be induced in "normal" people. > : Anyone know where I can find existing research on this > : topic? > Well my ideas are not merely stimuli but would probably involve psychedelic > drugs. High dose, long term amphetamines, ketamine, LSD, DMT, would be a possibility. > One thought-provoking question. DMT has apparently caused psychosis in some > people. Is this due to the intense emotions from visual and auditory hallucinations, > or from some neurochemical "damage"? > Why do you ask? Want to be my personal guinea pig? > Professor Schlong Dong
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>first year psychology text book, "Psychology Today", states that sensory >deprivation led to hallucinations in many test subjects (usually after only >about 48 hours) ….. but almost all test subjects quit after 2 or 3 days, >no one lasted longer than a week, so it’s hard to say
Jon Lilly, the dolphin guy, injected himself with special K and went in the float tank (sens dep) and pretty much went insane. Talked to aliens and all that good stuff. He believes to this day that his contacts were the real thing and maybe they were. After a few months of K injections every few hours and lots of time in the tank, most of Lilly’s friends were convinced he had gone completely insane. His connection heard about this and his K shipment slowed to a trickle and he came back to reality. I’d like to combine a float tank with some virtual reality. Maybe leave out the K. Michael
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Can schizophrenia be induced in perfectly normal people by repeatedly subjecting them to certain visual and auditory stimuli? Anyone know where I can find existing research on this topic? Thanks. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! ==—–
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I don’t think it can. But I’ve heard that under the extreme stress of combat, many normal people will become psychotic if exposed too long. US military policy is to get them out for R&R periodically, & most then recover. On the other hand, it is known that identical twins with exactly the same genetics do not always both develop sz when one does. So it is possible that high stress will cause some people with sz genes to develop sz who would not have otherwise developed the disease. High stress is known to be bad for schizophrenics. Walt "Anonymous" <anonym…@anonymous.anonymous> wrote in message
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walt wrote: > I don’t think it can. But I’ve heard that under the extreme stress of > combat, many normal people will become psychotic if exposed too long. US > military policy is to get them out for R&R periodically, & most then > recover.
Can you give me any references to public documents regarding such psychotic behavior and the above mentioned policies? Thanks. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! Check out our new Unlimited Server. No Download or Time Limits! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! ==—–
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In article <3C3D3431.BB029…@optonline.net>, Anonymous <anonym…@anonymous.anonymous> wrote: >walt wrote: >> I don’t think it can. But I’ve heard that under the extreme stress of >> combat, many normal people will become psychotic if exposed too long. US >> military policy is to get them out for R&R periodically, & most then >> recover. >Can you give me any references to public documents >regarding such psychotic behavior and the above mentioned >policies? >Thanks.
Go to the National Library of Medicine gateway at http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/gw/Cmd and search on psychosis AND combat (the AND has to be capitalized). That should get you some stuff to start with. ——————————————- Army Liason to the Office of Naval Contemplation
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Every person on earth carries the capacity for madness within themselves, given the right combination of factors and stresses. These vary from person to person (no two people are the same) but ultimately no one is immune. This isn’t some ‘chemical imbalance’ or ‘genetic predisposition’ we’re talking about here – merely a natural, universal human frailty that no one wants to admit to.
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:47:54 GMT, Phinny <pna…@worldnet.att.REMOVETHIScom> wrote: >it brings up questions of predetermination and if we >really CHOOSE any course of action, and if we can’t really choose what >we course we take, then how can we say we exist??
How could you say "I don’t exist". Because then there’s no "I". Another one of those paradoxes. In negating your existence, you prove it. Personally, I don’t think we have real freedom. But the imitation is highly amusing and convincing. So we have to live as if we do.
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In alt.support.schizophrenia Anonymous <anonym…@anonymous.anonymous> wrote: : Can schizophrenia be induced in perfectly normal people : by repeatedly subjecting them to certain visual and auditory : stimuli? : Anyone know where I can find existing research on this : topic? : Thanks. =========================================================================== == yes, systematic efforts of harassment by secret service agents and agents working for god can let you have what looks like paranoid schizophrenia only to psychiatrists. tell any psychiatrist that you are being harassed, then he will give the diagnosis of schizophrenia.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Contact One" <Cont…@nowhere.com> wrote in message <news:3XI%7.21629$X87.2876356@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>… > Weird the things that happen in life. > Once I was walking into work and passed a bus stop and a guy standing at the > bus stop looked at me and suddenly started shouting out > "CATCH THE BUS. CATCH THE BUS!!!" > I said, that it was a nice day and I would prefer to walk. > But later down the road when I got to the pedestrian crossing, I was half > way over the crossing when a motorbike came screeching towards me, swerved > to miss me, and there he was splattered all over the road. > If I had caught the bus, then this wouldn’t have happened. > Michelle
Too bad I missed the bus–I could have had both! : ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <damod…@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:18619-3C3F4F23-31@storefull-614.iap.bryant.webtv.net… > > Funny but in a conversation I had with a friend, who I was with in > > Vietnam, many years later we both declared the seeming "unreality" of > > the nam and speculated that maybe the VC had some invisible and > > smellless gas or something like LSD. > > We also speculated on the Jacobs Ladder movie as well. > > Perhaps there was a substance that was supposed to make us psychic or > > something so we would have better chances of survival. But it didn’t > > work right. > > That was one of my recent "answers" to my situation. > > I could see that perhaps the substance didn’t work untl years later. And > > that, perhaps, there was some secret government agency tracking me to > > see what would happen. > > This scanerio is very fertile to my imagination. > > I do have little precognitive flashes and awarenesses at times. > > Last week I kept hearing.."car crash" in my voices. Then I was walkig > > down the street and there was a car crash and I had to help with the > > circumstances there. > > Stuff like that happens……. > > Damo > > http://www.netword.com/Damodara’s.Passage > > http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MyStoryasIseeit
Today’s "fight back" word: "pseudointellectual umbrella," where conspirators who only justify their increasingly-successful hold on intraglobal populace show their capabilities by demonstrating things that require attention alone to recognize, such as some neverending tour of something that "never" goes away despite challenge or ultimatum. The conspiracy does appear capable of disappearing with no words o present, *POOF*! Perhaps, no speculation at that point does better here than there. But, Serial, how can we fight back against something that only appears when convenient for the conspirators? Serial Cabal HQ: "I don’t care, Spock. Just use the blasted phaser!" SCHQ Returns!
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Hi Kurt…. Please consider that those pet scans may be caused by the problem and are not the problem itself. I’ve had chickens. Chickens, depending on the breed can be very mellow or hyper. So….why not some folks are more suscpible to it. That still doesn’t invalidate the suggestion it is a general human frality that is responsible for the "disease". The brain chemistry and all might just be SYMPTOMS of the root cause. Damodara http://www.netword.com/Damodara’s.Passage http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MyStoryasIseeit
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Amphetamines can produce symptoms of Sz in otherwise non-Sz subjects.
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Weird the things that happen in life. Once I was walking into work and passed a bus stop and a guy standing at the bus stop looked at me and suddenly started shouting out "CATCH THE BUS. CATCH THE BUS!!!" I said, that it was a nice day and I would prefer to walk. But later down the road when I got to the pedestrian crossing, I was half way over the crossing when a motorbike came screeching towards me, swerved to miss me, and there he was splattered all over the road. If I had caught the bus, then this wouldn’t have happened. Michelle <damod…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:18619-3C3F4F23-31@storefull-614.iap.bryant.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Funny but in a conversation I had with a friend, who I was with in > Vietnam, many years later we both declared the seeming "unreality" of > the nam and speculated that maybe the VC had some invisible and > smellless gas or something like LSD. > We also speculated on the Jacobs Ladder movie as well. > Perhaps there was a substance that was supposed to make us psychic or > something so we would have better chances of survival. But it didn’t > work right. > That was one of my recent "answers" to my situation. > I could see that perhaps the substance didn’t work untl years later. And > that, perhaps, there was some secret government agency tracking me to > see what would happen. > This scanerio is very fertile to my imagination. > I do have little precognitive flashes and awarenesses at times. > Last week I kept hearing.."car crash" in my voices. Then I was walkig > down the street and there was a car crash and I had to help with the > circumstances there. > Stuff like that happens……. > Damo > http://www.netword.com/Damodara’s.Passage > http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MyStoryasIseeit
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Funny but in a conversation I had with a friend, who I was with in Vietnam, many years later we both declared the seeming "unreality" of the nam and speculated that maybe the VC had some invisible and smellless gas or something like LSD. We also speculated on the Jacobs Ladder movie as well. Perhaps there was a substance that was supposed to make us psychic or something so we would have better chances of survival. But it didn’t work right. That was one of my recent "answers" to my situation. I could see that perhaps the substance didn’t work untl years later. And that, perhaps, there was some secret government agency tracking me to see what would happen. This scanerio is very fertile to my imagination. I do have little precognitive flashes and awarenesses at times. Last week I kept hearing.."car crash" in my voices. Then I was walkig down the street and there was a car crash and I had to help with the circumstances there. Stuff like that happens……. Damo http://www.netword.com/Damodara’s.Passage http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MyStoryasIseeit
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kurtull…@yahoo.com (Kurt Ullman) expounded shrilly and self-righteously in news:KmE%7.21956$Vz3.2286378@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net: > could ask you the same thing. I was here first (about 6 years now…) > if we are discussing sci.med.
Hurray for you. I didn’t know you were there until you started meddling again. I feel like I’m being stalked or something. — ‘Madness is the channel by which we receive the greatest blessings’ – Socrates Please reply to the newsgroups only
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In article <Xns919351F3DE685nos…@142.77.1.194>, n…@spam.here wrote: >kurtull…@yahoo.com (Kurt Ullman) expounded shrilly and self-righteously >in news:eoA%7.21559$Vz3.2242011@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net: >> Gee, all those PET scans that show functional differences in the >> brains of schizophrenics, depressed people and generalized anxiety >> disorders don’t really exist. >Jesus, is there any place on the ‘net that you don’t haunt?
I could ask you the same thing. I was here first (about 6 years now…) if we are discussing sci.med. >Yes, these things ‘exist’, but since these ‘tests’ are being performed (for >the most part) on individuals who have been bombarded with neuroleptics or >other psychotropics for years (said drugs having been proven to cause brain >damage) how the hell can you expect the results to be reliable?
Well first of all most of the newer ones are on "medication naive" (one of my personal favorite euphamisms btw). >I’m sure these tests (if viewed honestly) would also find functional >differences between the brains of any two ‘normal’ perople as well – no two >people are the same, so what makes you think any two peoples’ _brains_ are >going to function exactly the same?
But not the same differences and not consistently. After all, the true studies ALWAYS have "normal" brains for controls. >BTW, do you think _you_ would be immune to ‘cracking up’ if the right set >of circumstances were to come into play in your own life? Gimme a break, >Kurt. Superman you ain’t.
Never said otherwise. BTW yourself… why is it that some people are so afraid that mental illness might be a real illness. You ignored that question (along with the genetic stuff). A little selective in your replies. ——————————————- Army Liason to the Office of Naval Contemplation
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kurtull…@yahoo.com (Kurt Ullman) expounded shrilly and self-righteously in news:eoA%7.21559$Vz3.2242011@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net: > Gee, all those PET scans that show functional differences in the > brains of schizophrenics, depressed people and generalized anxiety > disorders don’t really exist.
Jesus, is there any place on the ‘net that you don’t haunt? Yes, these things ‘exist’, but since these ‘tests’ are being performed (for the most part) on individuals who have been bombarded with neuroleptics or other psychotropics for years (said drugs having been proven to cause brain damage) how the hell can you expect the results to be reliable? I’m sure these tests (if viewed honestly) would also find functional differences between the brains of any two ‘normal’ perople as well – no two people are the same, so what makes you think any two peoples’ _brains_ are going to function exactly the same? BTW, do you think _you_ would be immune to ‘cracking up’ if the right set of circumstances were to come into play in your own life? Gimme a break, Kurt. Superman you ain’t. — ‘Madness is the channel by which we receive the greatest blessings’ – Socrates Please reply to the newsgroups only
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In article <Xns9193205F234A2nos…@142.77.1.194>, n…@spam.here wrote: >troubled…@iwon.com (Albanburger) wrote in >news:e31ebf5b.0201092219.1f0acc8a@posting.google.com: >> I doubt if full blown schizo can be created. >Every person on earth carries the capacity for madness within themselves, >given the right combination of factors and stresses. These vary from person >to person (no two people are the same) but ultimately no one is immune. >This isn’t some ‘chemical imbalance’ or ‘genetic predisposition’ we’re >talking about here – merely a natural, universal human frailty that no one >wants to admit to.
Gee, all those PET scans that show functional differences in the brains of schizophrenics, depressed people and generalized anxiety disorders don’t really exist. Why are the same genetic measures that show genetic predisposition in diabetes, Huntington’s Chorea and other illnesses all of a sudden not applicable to mental illnesses? Why are some people so afraid of mental illness as an illness? ——————————————- Army Liason to the Office of Naval Contemplation
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troubled…@iwon.com (Albanburger) wrote in news:e31ebf5b.0201092219.1f0acc8a@posting.google.com: > I doubt if full blown schizo can be created.
Every person on earth carries the capacity for madness within themselves, given the right combination of factors and stresses. These vary from person to person (no two people are the same) but ultimately no one is immune. This isn’t some ‘chemical imbalance’ or ‘genetic predisposition’ we’re talking about here – merely a natural, universal human frailty that no one wants to admit to. — ‘Madness is the channel by which we receive the greatest blessings’ – Socrates Please reply to the newsgroups only
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In article <3C3D3431.BB029…@optonline.net>, Anonymous <anonym…@anonymous.anonymous> wrote: > walt wrote: > > I don’t think it can. But I’ve heard that under the extreme stress of > > combat, many normal people will become psychotic if exposed too long. US > > military policy is to get them out for R&R periodically, & most then > > recover. > Can you give me any references to public documents > regarding such psychotic behavior and the above mentioned > policies? > Thanks.
Do Speed for a few months and you get something very similar to Schizophrenia. Of course it goes away when you are Speed free for a while. Speed spychosis is very real, I’ve had it, and I’m also SZ so I know they are pretty similar. SP
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Hi…… I believe my sz symptoms are directly related to my experiances in Vietnam. And in some of my readings I have noted a very close similarity to delayed stress symptoms..PTSD….and schizophrenia. And I come complete with "visitors" and voices and long standing "dillusions" and seeing messages in some very mundane circumstances. I also have all the negative symptoms as well. I’ve got all the "Bells and Whistles". So……….. However you cut the mustard I believe whatever it is it was riggered by my Vietnam experiances. I also must hasten to add that my "phenomena" (symptoms) is not smptomologically connected to war. I rarely dream of it, and do not have chronic relives of my war experiances(anymore, as much). But I do believe it has all evolved out of the originating experiances of "high stress"(PTSD) during the war. My symptoms are also very drug resistant I might add. And…..flux…..alot of changes in symptoms. I note that some here seem to be stuck with the same symptomology. Mine appears to vary more, to be more dynamic. At least according to the posts. I think something happened to my awareness and there’s no changing it back. Can’t make a cucumber out of a pickle ya know. And my acceptance of my "variance" is high. For which I am very thankful. Damo http://www.netword.com/Damodara’s.Passage http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MyStoryasIseeit
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In article <3nhr3u0vo27l1bl9ki1iau73dloakj4…@4ax.com>, nos…@nospam.com wrote: >Why, you trying to drive someone mad?
Short trip in some cases… ——————————————- Army Liason to the Office of Naval Contemplation
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