Trauma – PTSD

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Therapy that fosters dependence and does not include emotional release is not very healing. "Psychoanalysis addressed these issues only on the intellectual level   not on the emotional healing level. As a result, a person could go to psychoanalysis weekly for twenty years and still be repeating the same behavior patterns." * "Our mental health system not only does not promote healing   it actually blocks the process. The mental health system in this country is designed to get your behavior and emotions under control so that you can fit back into the dysfunctional system. Drugs that are designed to disconnect you from your feelings block the healing process. Mental health professionals who need to have you see them regularly in order to be financially supported, need to have you be dependent upon them, need to keep you a patient in order to survive." This is a lil blurp that I chopped from http://www.silcom.com/~joy2meu/joy_12.htm It was about the grief process…and has been on my mind for a coupla daze along with Bill’s comments on our Medical Establishment. I’m on meds and I’m wondering if I should quit them and just feel the pain and work my way thru it. James

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James,    Wallpaper’s article was right on, I am in total, 100%, absolute, definite, no-doubt-about-it agreement.  (did I stress that well enough, or should I try again? <<<G>>>)     I thank GOD that we live in a world that has meds and resources available to us to use to help us to heal.  I can’t imagine a world without meds.  I don’t want to.     I may not currently be on any psych meds on a regular basis, though I do have lorazepam to use when I need to.  Sometimes I really need to.  I am on several different meds for physiological problems.  I believe some of those physiological problems are psych-related.  I could no more stop taking some of those meds than I would recommend anyone to just stop taking a psych med.  If the alternative is death, I’ll take meds!  And, I find it comforting to know that if I ever need a psych med, they are there for my use.     The choice of meds or no meds is such an individual one.  That’s between you and your P’trist.  Talk it over with him/her before stopping.     Don’t think for one minute that you’ll work faster without meds.  That may not be true for you.  Some people can do it.  Most can’t.  At least not at first.  Maybe later down the path.     Besides, didn’t I read in another post that you were considering returning to work?  (Go for it, by the way)  I learned a long time ago never to make two changes at the same time.  Focus on one or the other, not both.  Sounds like you are worried about your living arrangements, you posted about money running out, I think.  Prioritize your needs.  Then make your choices.     Good luck As always, take what you need and leave the rest.     Take care and GOD bless,         Gay Marie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -wallpa…@pop.service.ohio.state.edu wrote: > Posted and e-mailed. > "James"  wrote: > >Therapy that fosters dependence and does not include emotional release > >is not very healing. > >"Psychoanalysis addressed these issues only on the intellectual level > >not on the emotional healing level. As a result, a person could go to > >psychoanalysis weekly for twenty years and still be repeating the same > >behavior patterns." > >* > >"Our mental health system not only does not promote healing it actually > >blocks the process. The mental health system in this country is designed > >to get your behavior and emotions under control so that you can fit back > >into the dysfunctional system. > >Drugs that are designed to disconnect you from your feelings block the > >healing process. Mental health professionals who need to have you see them > >regularly in order to be financially supported, need to have you be > >dependent upon them, need to keep you a patient in order to survive." > >This is a lil blurp that I chopped from > >http://www.silcom.com/~joy2meu/joy_12.htm > >It was about the grief process…and has been on my mind for a coupla > >daze along with Bill’s comments on our Medical Establishment. > >I’m on meds and I’m wondering if I should quit them and just feel the > >pain and work my way thru it. > >James > I think that depends alot upon whether you feel the meds TOTALLY block > any feeling/emotion or allow you to live a life while you deal with the > extreme emotions that normally follow (or in our case got stuffed) extreme > trauma. I still feel depressed and all the emotions that accompany my > PTSD, but I’m not killing myself or crying every moment or running away > from any public contact. And I certainly FEEL the pain in therapy with > EMDR, but it’s constructive, it makes progress. > I do deal with my emotions, the grief of the abusive family I had, the hurt > and embarrassment of the sexual abuse, the pain of the mental and physical > abuse. The anger, white hot anger over a loss that I have yet to voice to > anyone, even my therapist, because I might cry and not stop. The frustration > of having no family because I had to chose safety over being in contact with > ANY of THEM! The embarrassment of answering the question, esp. at holiday > time, "Don’t you have any family?", with a weakly worded excuse, so I don’t > have to lie.  Wish I could just say "NO!". > Meds don’t take away the feelings, the pain is still there, but they do > keep us going, one moment to the next so we can make it through our healing. > If your meds are making you totally numb, then talk to your doc about the > levels you are taking.  If it interferes with your therapy, and your sure > it’s not the fear/trauma holding you back, then talk to your daoc about > a more therapuetic level and less of a mind numbing level.  But if it gets > you through the day without self harm, if it allows you to talk about your > pain/experience, then stay the course.  This may feel like hell, but w/o > meds I couldn’t get through the flames of the REAL pain to the other side. > >The mental health system in this country is designed to get your behavior > >and emotions under control so that you can fit back into the dysfunctional > >system. > I don’t agree with this in my situation.  My therapist points out the > dysfunction of my past and tells me of a functionality I have never known > but am getting my feet wet in.  We are headed toward a goal, this is not > an open ended, lifetime position for me.  My therapist retires in 2 years. > I plan to be out of therapy by then, in a place where the trauma has been > properly reprocessed into a memory that can’t hurt me where I am and all > the "bad people" are so named and told they can’t mess with me any more. > I never fit into the system before, but I’m planning on being a productive > member of this planet someday.  I don’t think that’s dysfunctinal. > I guess my bottom line here is, don’t drop your meds because of some > article(s) you read.  Your doctor and therapist know you best.  Talk > to them.  If you don’t like the job they are doing, fire them and get > others, but think things through, let time pass. Meds aren’t for nec. > for everyone, but if your trauma brings traumatic reactions out of you, > you may need them until you reprocess some of the crap.  Afterall, you > wouldn’t want someone doing open eart surgery on you w/o some kind of > numbing.  Therapy is often a type of open heart (and mind) surgery, > taking the disasssembled pieces and making sense out of them, sorting > through them and making a new way to feel/think about the past. But, > man, I wish this wasn’t such a LONG surgery! > FWIW-TWYN&TTR, >       wallpaper

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wallpa…@pop.service.ohio.state.edu wrote in message … >Posted and e-mailed. >I think that depends alot upon whether you feel the meds TOTALLY block >any feeling/emotion or allow you to live a life while you deal with the >extreme emotions that normally follow (or in our case got stuffed) extreme >trauma. I still feel depressed and all the emotions that accompany my >PTSD, but I’m not killing myself or crying every moment or running away >from any public contact. And I certainly FEEL the pain in therapy with >EMDR, but it’s constructive, it makes progress.

Hey WP NOPE….the meds don’t TOTALLY block the feelings……I did manage to cry about six weeks ago….nope 8….I did about six tears…it actually surprised me that there was so few….I believe their is a FEW more. II’m glad your EMDR is progressing…..I can’t afford mine….today. >I do deal with my emotions, the grief of the abusive family I had, the hurt >and embarrassment of the sexual abuse, the pain of the mental and physical >abuse. The anger, white hot anger over a loss that I have yet to voice to >anyone,

THAT"S COOL…..I haven’t voiced all my shit either…..but been thinkin bout it, got a coupla years…..hehehe.  even my therapist, because I might cry and not stop. The frustration… YUP…I feel that might be a key….CRY….until you DO stop……..then your done with it……….this time round anyhoo…..it’s thick. >of having no family because I had to chose safety over being in contact with >ANY of THEM! The embarrassment of answering the question, esp. at holiday >time, "Don’t you have any family?", with a weakly worded excuse, so I don’t >have to lie.  Wish I could just say "NO!".

NO…is the most powerful word in he english language >Meds don’t take away the feelings, the pain is still there, but they do >keep us going, one moment to the next so we can make it through our healing. >If your meds are making you totally numb, then talk to your doc about the >levels you are taking.

I’m not totally numb….I just wanna fast track tha healin and get on with it….. this has just always been my way……caused by the beast no doubt. >  If it interferes with your therapy,

Can’t afford it.. >>The mental health system in this country is designed to get your behavior >>and emotions under control so that you can fit back into the dysfunctional >>system. >I don’t agree with this in my situation.  My therapist points out the >dysfunction of my past and tells me of a functionality I have never known >but am getting my feet wet in.

I am glad to hear this….I have always been a renegade. >I never fit into the system before, but I’m planning on being a productive >member of this planet someday.  I don’t think that’s dysfunctinal.

I think you can not fit into the system and still be productive. Thanks WP….good response James "You will never be given a challenge you can not conquer."

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