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People talk about "too much adrenoline" but that seems to oversimplify the situation. If it is adrenoline, how does that interacact to cause the physical symptoms? The symptoms of a PA CAN be explained biologically. Basically the limbic system is in control during a PA, so you are on a kind of "auto pilot." Your body is preparing for "danger."
*piggybacking on Julie* Basically it IS the adrenaline that causes the physical symptoms. Once they set in the mind can’t help be react to the terror reaction with no outside cause/reason – like a reason to flee or fight. Gwen
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I think you misunderstood. i wasn’t talking about trying to classify a panic attack as physical or psycholgical. i was talking about the SYMPTOMS of a panic attack, namely the physical symptoms, and what the physical basis for the physical symptoms (twitching, diziness, whatever) is. People talk about "too much adrenoline" but that seems to oversimplify the situation. If it is adrenoline, how does that interacact to cause the physical symptoms?
The symptoms of a PA CAN be explained biologically. Basically the limbic system is in control during a PA, so you are on a kind of "auto pilot." Your body is preparing for "danger." I’m not sure how to explain the twitching, but the dizziness is usually caused by an increased flow of blood towards the internal organs in the trunk of your body. This is for many different reasons – one of which is to and cushion those vital organs. Also to decrease blood flow to your extremities in case of wounds to those areas. Also, there is an increase in heart rate in order to move the oxygen enriched blood around. Your muscles do tighten in preparation for "flight" and this might explain your "twitching." Julie
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: : As for twitching I don’t know what causes that in your case but it may : be quite independent of any anxiety disorder. Twitching, muscular ticks and tremors, are common in severe anxiety cases (panic and PTSD). This might have something to do with CCK since it is an anxiogenic neurotansmitter and vasoconstrictor hormone (reason why people turn white with fear). Best Wishes, Arthur
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The attempt to describe problems like panic disorder as only physical or only psychological are bound to fail since it is both physical and psychological.
I think you misunderstood. i wasn’t talking about trying to classify a panic attack as physical or psycholgical. i was talking about the SYMPTOMS of a panic attack, namely the physical symptoms, and what the physical basis for the physical symptoms (twitching, diziness, whatever) is. People talk about "too much adrenoline" but that seems to oversimplify the situation. If it is adrenoline, how does that interacact to cause the physical symptoms? Your question about hyperventilation and symptoms is a little confusing. Hyperventilation means over berating so oxygen levels are not low at all. Carbon dioxide levels are too low when people hyperventilate. The dizziness that often occurs is not due to reduced oxygen.
Actually, it is due to reduced ioxygen. Hyperventilation occurs when you TAKE IN too much oxygen and take in too little carbon dioxide. The lack of carbod dioxide changes the pH level of the blood to basic (alkalosis), which causes trouble with the body for absorbing the oxygen that is in the blood. Even though the body is then filled with oxygen, it is actually being starved of oxygen because it cannot absorb it. This triggers a feeling of breathlessness (your body’s way of dealing with "low" oxygen is to breathe more), which then causes a downward spiral. Most of the symptoms (dizziness, twitching, fear) that go along with the hyperventilation are caused by this pH value/lack of oxygen (which also makes it difficult for the body to take in other nutrients from the blood, including calcium and magnesium – which causes twiches, spasms, etc.). As for twitching I don’t know what causes that in your case but it may be quite independent of any anxiety disorder.
Well, my twitching is clearly linke to stress. I guess the question is whether twitching that is linked to stress automatcally has to be linked to hyperventilation, or if there is some other way that stress can induce twitching. If these is some other way, what is it?
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Hi. I was wondering if there is always a biological (non-mental) reason for the physical symptoms that accompany anxiety. For example, for many when they star to panic they hyperventilate or alter their breathing in other ways, thus causing a shortage of oxygen in the blood, thus causing dizziness, twitching, etc. Is this always the case that the physical sumptoms are "cause" by a measurable physical response? Also, how can twitching in response to stress if its not caused by lack of oxygenation of the blood. I’ve been having major twitching but my blood tests all show adeuqate oxygenation.
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The attempt to describe problems like panic disorder as only physical or only psychological are bound to fail since it is both physical and psychological. Your question about hyperventilation and symptoms is a little confusing. Hyperventilation means over berating so oxygen levels are not low at all. Carbon dioxide levels are too low when people hyperventilate. The dizziness that often occurs is not due to reduced oxygen. As for twitching I don’t know what causes that in your case but it may be quite independent of any anxiety disorder. Hi. I was wondering if there is always a biological (non-mental) reason for the physical symptoms that accompany anxiety. For example, for many when they star to panic they hyperventilate or alter their breathing in other ways, thus causing a shortage of oxygen in the blood, thus causing dizziness, twitching, etc. Is this always the case that the physical sumptoms are "cause" by a measurable physical response? Also, how can twitching in response to stress if its not caused by lack of oxygenation of the blood. I’ve been having major twitching but my blood tests all show adeuqate oxygenation.
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