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FUCK NO!!! ALL I SAID IS STOP BITCHIN ABOUT PETTY SHIT, SO WHAT I DEALT WITH MANY THINGS SO HE IS BUMMED AND LOST ABOUT FRENDS GETTING SHOT. MY MOTHER WAS SHOT AND KILLED. I AM A DESERT STORM VET AND SEEN PEOPLE I KNOW BLOW UP BEFORE MY EYES. AND ALL I WAS SAYING IS THAT HE SHOULDNT COMPLAIN ABOUT BE DEPRESSED OVER A FRIEND . HE SHOULD BE SAD FOR HIS PARENTS. INSTEAT HE IS SAD FOR HIMSELF.
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OH YEAH! YOUR NOT SAD FOR MY MOTHER YOU WOULD JUST FEEL GUILTY IF YOU DIDNT SAY " SORRY ABOUT YOUR MOTHER" I KNOW YOUR TYPES
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TOEJAM wrote: > FUCK NO!!! ALL I SAID IS STOP BITCHIN ABOUT PETTY SHIT, SO WHAT I > DEALT WITH MANY THINGS SO HE IS BUMMED AND LOST ABOUT FRENDS GETTING > SHOT. MY MOTHER WAS SHOT AND KILLED. I AM A DESERT STORM VET AND > SEEN PEOPLE I KNOW BLOW UP BEFORE MY EYES. AND ALL I WAS SAYING > IS THAT HE SHOULDNT COMPLAIN ABOUT BE DEPRESSED OVER A FRIEND . > HE SHOULD BE SAD FOR HIS PARENTS. INSTEAT HE IS SAD FOR HIMSELF.
Hi Toejam, Everybody is different don’t you think? I don’t think there are any ‘rules’ about who is in more pain based on the circumstances they’ve experienced. I don’t think there is a chart or standard set anywhere that says you should feel X because Y event happened in your life. Emotional pain is individual and relative. I felt like my world caved in when I had to euthanize a pet yet when my brother died I dealt with it quite easily. Most people looking at my situation would think I’m mixed-up for my reactions but if they saw it from my point of view they would understand the different reactions to my pet vs. my brother dying. Ultrajohn lost his best friend when he was 17. You lost you mother. I lost a pet. They are all different … but one is not more worthy or less worthy of understanding than the other. — Monkey http://pages.hotbot.com/health/sillychickens/ mon…@gilligansisland.net (to email me axe ‘gilligans’) —
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TOEJAM <MATCHBOX…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19929-3772899A-5@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net… > OH YEAH! YOUR NOT SAD FOR MY MOTHER YOU WOULD JUST FEEL GUILTY IF YOU > DIDNT SAY " SORRY ABOUT YOUR MOTHER" I KNOW YOUR TYPES
You are right, we say sorry to free ourselves from guilt. And we accept apologies to free ourselves from anger. That’s the problem with horrific crimes like murder, there is no way anybody can say sorry in a way that makes a difference. But we still need to let go of the anger even though the crime is huge or it will destroy us too. Do you want the bastard who killed your mother to score twice with you? The problem here is not who is the biggest victim but who has the biggest anger. Clearly that is you. You say UJ is just being sad for himself. I have no idea if that is true but he does have something to be sad about just like you. Are you handling it any better than UJ? He doesn’t abuse people but you do. Does it make you feel better? Does the pain go away or does it get worse? This group is full of caring people and we care just as much about you as UJ or anybody else. Everyone has vented here at some time or other but nobody deserves to be abused. Letting go of anger is hard but it can be done. Are you receiving any therapy for this? Regards, Trevor
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Thank you Monkey! Well Said!!! Take Care, mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -monkey wrote: > TOEJAM wrote: > > FUCK NO!!! ALL I SAID IS STOP BITCHIN ABOUT PETTY SHIT, SO WHAT I > > DEALT WITH MANY THINGS SO HE IS BUMMED AND LOST ABOUT FRENDS GETTING > > SHOT. MY MOTHER WAS SHOT AND KILLED. I AM A DESERT STORM VET AND > > SEEN PEOPLE I KNOW BLOW UP BEFORE MY EYES. AND ALL I WAS SAYING > > IS THAT HE SHOULDNT COMPLAIN ABOUT BE DEPRESSED OVER A FRIEND . > > HE SHOULD BE SAD FOR HIS PARENTS. INSTEAT HE IS SAD FOR HIMSELF. > Hi Toejam, > Everybody is different don’t you think? I don’t > think there are any ‘rules’ about who is in more > pain based on the circumstances they’ve > experienced. I don’t think there is a chart or > standard set anywhere that says you should feel X > because Y event happened in your life. Emotional > pain is individual and relative. > I felt like my world caved in when I had to > euthanize a pet yet when my brother died I dealt > with it quite easily. Most people looking at my > situation would think I’m mixed-up for my > reactions but if they saw it from my point of view > they would understand the different reactions to > my pet vs. my brother dying. > Ultrajohn lost his best friend when he was 17. You > lost you mother. I lost a pet. They are all > different … but one is not more worthy or less > worthy of understanding than the other. > — > Monkey > http://pages.hotbot.com/health/sillychickens/ > mon…@gilligansisland.net > (to email me axe ‘gilligans’) > —
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You still don’t get it!!!!! This is a support group…DUH??!! Hello??!! UJ is obviously hurting, where is your support???? Again, I’m very sorry for your losses, but this does not diminish the pain that UJ is feeling. take care, mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -TOEJAM wrote: > FUCK NO!!! ALL I SAID IS STOP BITCHIN ABOUT PETTY SHIT, SO WHAT I > DEALT WITH MANY THINGS SO HE IS BUMMED AND LOST ABOUT FRENDS GETTING > SHOT. MY MOTHER WAS SHOT AND KILLED. I AM A DESERT STORM VET AND > SEEN PEOPLE I KNOW BLOW UP BEFORE MY EYES. AND ALL I WAS SAYING > IS THAT HE SHOULDNT COMPLAIN ABOUT BE DEPRESSED OVER A FRIEND . > HE SHOULD BE SAD FOR HIS PARENTS. INSTEAT HE IS SAD FOR HIMSELF.
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TOEJAM wrote:
FUCK NO!!! ALL I SAID IS STOP BITCHIN ABOUT PETTY SHIT, SO WHAT I DEALT WITH MANY THINGS SO HE IS BUMMED AND LOST ABOUT FRENDS GETTING SHOT. MY MOTHER WAS SHOT AND KILLED. I AM A DESERT STORM VET AND SEEN PEOPLE I KNOW BLOW UP BEFORE MY EYES. AND ALL I WAS SAYING IS THAT HE SHOULDNT COMPLAIN ABOUT BE DEPRESSED OVER A FRIEND . HE SHOULD BE SAD FOR HIS PARENTS. INSTEAT HE IS SAD FOR HIMSELF. So, if YOU think something is petty shit then it should be petty shit for the rest of the world too? And your mother got shot so everybody else has got no right to complain about anything at all? You feel sorry for yourself because your mother got shot and you don’t give a fuck about anybody else’s feelings. You need therapy – one hell of a lot of therapy. Try the PTSD newsgroup – if they will accept people like you. Which I doubt. How many names are you using in this newsgroup anyway – are you trying to piss off as many people as possible? You won’t get away with it for much longer – I will make sure you don’t. Count on it. SG
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mary, no wonder your single, because you piss off all your men so fuck off!!!
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you guys are right i can ttake it anymore. im gona kill myself, my ocd has takin me to lick my ass all day. my ass i red. lol you guys gonna move on … lol emotional bastards
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Hey Toejam, No need to shout. You obviously have your opinion which is fine. I am sorry about your mum, however, grieving for a friend is a natural process for lots of people. What seems like petty shit to you may in fact be of the utmost importance to someone else. Please, please try to be a little more understanding and not so ready to ’sound off’ at something you don’t agree with. Dawn TOEJAM wrote in message <19928-3772893…@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net>…
FUCK NO!!! ALL I SAID IS STOP BITCHIN ABOUT PETTY SHIT, SO WHAT I DEALT WITH MANY THINGS SO HE IS BUMMED AND LOST ABOUT FRENDS GETTING SHOT. MY MOTHER WAS SHOT AND KILLED. I AM A DESERT STORM VET AND SEEN PEOPLE I KNOW BLOW UP BEFORE MY EYES. AND ALL I WAS SAYING IS THAT HE SHOULDNT COMPLAIN ABOUT BE DEPRESSED OVER A FRIEND . HE SHOULD BE SAD FOR HIS PARENTS. INSTEAT HE IS SAD FOR HIMSELF.
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If we are so obviously of ‘that type’ then why are you communicating with us? Give yourself a break. Dawn TOEJAM wrote in message <19929-3772899…@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net>…
OH YEAH! YOUR NOT SAD FOR MY MOTHER YOU WOULD JUST FEEL GUILTY IF YOU DIDNT SAY " SORRY ABOUT YOUR MOTHER" I KNOW YOUR TYPES
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Mary, Don’t listen to that post. It is not true. Dawn squirtsA…@webtv.net wrote in message
<21001-37732FAF-…@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net>… mary, no wonder your single, because you piss off all your men so fuck off!!!
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i love you geaorgie!!!!
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Thanks Dawn! I almost hate to spoil it for him….I’ve been married to the same man for 21 years! HeHeHe!! Take care! mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dawn wrote: > Mary, > Don’t listen to that post. It is not true. > Dawn > squirtsA…@webtv.net wrote in message > <21001-37732FAF-…@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net>… > mary, no wonder your single, because you piss off all your men so > fuck off!!!
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Mary wrote: > Thanks Dawn! > I almost hate to spoil it for him….I’ve been married > to the same man for 21 years! HeHeHe!! > Take care! > mary
Mary, Excellent!!! Kim M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dawn wrote: > > Mary, > > Don’t listen to that post. It is not true. > > Dawn > > squirtsA…@webtv.net wrote in message > > <21001-37732FAF-…@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net>… > > mary, no wonder your single, because you piss off all your men so > > fuck off!!!
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OK, now I can’t sleep…. I’m sorry squirtsalot. What I said to you was cruel. I have always said if you can’t say something nice (or be supportive), don’t say anything. I was offended by your response to uj; I felt that you were not not being very sensitive to him. You owe him an apology! I also feel your comment to the woman who is wanting to get pregnant was also very insensitive. You owe her an apology also! This is a support group…if you can’t be supportive to someone’s post just don’t respond. I am very sorry about your mother! peace, mary
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I want to apologize to all of the ‘innocent’ parties who found themselves annoyed by my ‘profanity’ the other day. In my defense, I felt provoked and completely misunderstood and I then felt attacked. In addition to OCD I have BPII and am a rapid cycler, meaning my moods are all over the place. My medication is not yet regulated. I have an incredible amount of anger and rage that is sometimes misdirected or out of proportion. I’m not offering any excuses but rather simple explanation. I have a compulsion to respond to any post that even remotely involves me. That is part of my OCD. The anger rage and defensiveness has more to do with my BP and alot of unresolved grief. I used to have alot of friends on this ng. I am not a member of any posse here and in fact get along with people on both ’sides’ as it were. For example – Scott and Lars are both my friends … as are Grindo and Tom … and many many others … I’m fairly newly diagnosed and have yet to accept the implications of my illness. I’m learning to deal with it and the stigma of the symptoms of this illness. I apologize to anyone I upset, not for the points I was trying to make in my own defense but certainly for the juvenile manner in which I attempted to make them … Monica
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:36:18 -0400, "Monica" <M…@execulink.com> wrote:
Hi Mon.. I dont really think there is a need for you to apologize – fights go on here almost every day and few apoligizes. We all have a right to be down and let it out – we DID take it to far however and for that i am sorry too. Everybody had an eqaul amount of responsibility for what happend the other day. Personally i had had a bad day and somehow you annoyed the shit out of me. I should have walked away sooner thoug and had i realized that you feel so compelled to answer any posts to you i would have let the matter rest earlier – sorry for that. Its hard to know however who people are and why they behave like they do if the dont let it out in the open. I appreciate your honesty. Whats BPII? >I’m fairly newly diagnosed and have yet to accept the implications of my >illness. I’m learning to deal with it and the stigma of the symptoms of this >illness.
Thats was the hardest part for me too. Accepting this thing about myself. Accepting the term mentally ill. I immediatly picture dangerous locked up people when i hear that term and i had to rearrange my conception of the word before i got to terms with it. I hope you feel better today and that you have a great weekend.. Kind regards Sussan
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:05:41 -0400, "Z" <M…@execulink.com> wrote:
Hi again Mon.. It seems that your posts are appering twice with different names.. Why is that? Kind regards Sussan
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thanks Sussan … once I get a chance to stand back and look at things reasonable and calmly … I feel a need to apologize for what I know are my over reactions … however at the time it’s happening … I seem to have little control … so I end up apologizing alot in my life … not so much for my intention as my delivery … oddly enough … I am a very good and loyal friend too … there is a flip side to rage … BPII is bipolar II … manic depression … I take a mood stabilizer which doesn’t always work … this is the more difficult diagnosis of the 2 … together it can get really nuts … rapid cycling and obsessing at the same time is exhausting … and there is always a crash … I am starting to be able to tell when I am spinning out of control … I guess that is progress … anyway … thanks again for your kind words … I hope we can turn the page and start over … we’ve never really spoken before this have we? … I’ve been on here for several months now … most of my friends and greatest support are people I’ve initially been in flame wars with … but we got past that and on to some mutually beneficial support … I hope that can happen for you and I … Monica – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ladybug wrote in message … >On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:36:18 -0400, "Monica" <M…@execulink.com> wrote: >Hi Mon.. >I dont really think there is a need for you to apologize – fights go >on here almost every day and few apoligizes. We all have a right to be >down and let it out – we DID take it to far however and for that i am >sorry too. Everybody had an eqaul amount of responsibility for what >happend the other day. Personally i had had a bad day and somehow you >annoyed the shit out of me. I should have walked away sooner thoug and >had i realized that you feel so compelled to answer any posts to you i >would have let the matter rest earlier – sorry for that. Its hard to >know however who people are and why they behave like they do if the >dont let it out in the open. I appreciate your honesty. >Whats BPII? >>I’m fairly newly diagnosed and have yet to accept the implications of my >>illness. I’m learning to deal with it and the stigma of the symptoms of this >>illness. >Thats was the hardest part for me too. Accepting this thing about >myself. Accepting the term mentally ill. I immediatly picture >dangerous locked up people when i hear that term and i had to >rearrange my conception of the word before i got to terms with it. >I hope you feel better today and that you have a great weekend.. >Kind regards >Sussan
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because some people that I need to apologize to have me kill-filed … I thought this might get around that … I can be annoying and inventive … a bad combination … (joke) … Monica – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ladybug wrote in message … >On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:05:41 -0400, "Z" <M…@execulink.com> wrote: >Hi again Mon.. >It seems that your posts are appering twice with different names.. >Why is that? >Kind regards >Sussan
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>once I get a chance to stand back and look at things >reasonable and calmly
I am the same way. >time it’s happening … I seem to have >little control
Yep thats the luxory of having OCD and BP, I have both as well. I get the depression that goes along with bi polar and never really get to go ‘high’ like most do…. uggh so I understand Well I understand that its hard to not respond with that rage and fire back at people. I really do. Please let me know when you start having the urges to respond to people so I can be supportive and not be a negative aspect in your OCD recovery. If there is anything I can do to assist you let me know. I never was looking for an argument though, I honestly wanted to help and still do. "Hearts will never be practical until they can be made unbreakable" Tin Man-Wizard of Oz http://www.SarahMatheson.com http://hometown.aol.com/saracuty22/
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thanks Sarah … I am more depressive than manic as well … hypomania has become more of a problem in the last 2 years … the crash following that lands me right in bed … but I come out of it far more balanced then before … I’m not sure how my OCD tendencies interact with either the mania or the depression … I don’t even know what normal is anymore … Drama Queen … I don’t know who coined that phrase … but it does sum things up nicely these days … thanks again for your kind words … I guess my plan to get around your kill-file worked … I’m glad … I needed to apologize to you … Monica Sarah Matheson wrote in message
<20000415152538.25541.00000…@ng-cc1.aol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>once I get a chance to stand back and look at things >>reasonable and calmly >I am the same way. >>time it’s happening … I seem to have >>little control >Yep thats the luxory of having OCD and BP, I have both as well. I get the >depression that goes along with bi polar and never really get to go ‘high’ like >most do…. uggh so I understand >Well I understand that its hard to not respond with that rage and fire back at >people. I really do. Please let me know when you start having the urges to >respond to people so I can be supportive and not be a negative aspect in your >OCD recovery. If there is anything I can do to assist you let me know. I never >was looking for an argument though, I honestly wanted to help and still do. >"Hearts will never be practical >until they can be made unbreakable" >Tin Man-Wizard of Oz >http://www.SarahMatheson.com >http://hometown.aol.com/saracuty22/
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 15:17:14 -0400, "Monica" <M…@execulink.com> wrote: >thanks Sussan … once I get a chance to stand back and look at things >reasonable and calmly … I feel a need to apologize for what I know are my >over reactions … however at the time it’s happening … I seem to have >little control … so I end up apologizing alot in my life … not so much >for my intention as my delivery … oddly enough … I am a very good and >loyal friend too … there is a flip side to rage …
Hmm… somehow it sounds like me. I have rages where i cant see that i am way off before after. A real bad temper.. >anyway … thanks again for your kind words … I hope we can turn the page >and start over … we’ve never really spoken before this have we? … I’ve >been on here for several months now … most of my friends and greatest >support are people I’ve initially been in flame wars with … but we got >past that and on to some mutually beneficial support … I hope that can >happen for you and I …
Your welcome..I hope we can be friends too.. Kind regards Sussan
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I want to apologize to all of the ‘innocent’ parties who found themselves annoyed by my ‘profanity’ the other day. In my defense, I felt provoked and completely misunderstood and I then felt attacked. In addition to OCD I have BPII and am a rapid cycler, meaning my moods are all over the place. My medication is not yet regulated. I have an incredible amount of anger and rage that is sometimes misdirected or out of proportion. I’m not offering any excuses but rather simple explanation. I have a compulsion to respond to any post that even remotely involves me. That is part of my OCD. The anger rage and defensiveness has more to do with my BP and alot of unresolved grief. I used to have alot of friends on this ng. I am not a member of any posse here and in fact get along with people on both ’sides’ as it were. For example – Scott and Lars are both my friends … as are Grindo and Tom … and many many others … I’m fairly newly diagnosed and have yet to accept the implications of my illness. I’m learning to deal with it and the stigma of the symptoms of this illness. I apologize to anyone I upset, not for the points I was trying to make in my own defense but certainly for the juvenile manner in which I attempted to make them … Monica
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