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Grrr wrote: >upon review, i just realized it is so full of holes and horrendous >mistakes that might make my explanation of these filters seem >contradictory.

Well, thank goodness you said so, I was wondering!! Sara

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>From: Grrr grr…@AMpost.com

Thank you very much for taking all that time to construct this detailed explanation. I DO appreciate it and printed all 8 pages for future reference. Have to go to a college open house for child #3. I am having a minor heart attack with the thought of all 3 in college at the same time $$$$$. Jan

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Jan wrote: > >From: Grrr grr…@AMpost.com > Thank you very much for taking all that time to construct this detailed > explanation. I

Me, too post. > DO appreciate it and printed all 8 pages for future reference.

Me too again, but since I haven’t yet read it, I don’t know how much of it applies to those who are not using Agent?  Netscape has a pretty lousy filtering system (in fact, even AOL’s is better):  it doesn’t appear to let me filter an entire domain from the path line, which I think is the only way to get rid of all Altopia posts? > Have to go to a college open house for child #3. I am having a minor heart > attack with the thought of all 3 in college at the same time $$$$$. Jan

You mentioned Hofstra once — I have been meaning to ask you about it for a very long time, and just keep forgetting.  They are supposed to have a fairly decent theatre program — do you have any knowledge?  How is it stacking up compared to the other colleges you know? — Misleading info about TS published by Jankovic in NEJM http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com/JankovicNEJM.htm

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On 06 Oct 2002 05:58:48 GMT, sesgard…@aol.com (Sesgardner) wrote: >Grrr wrote: >>upon review, i just realized it is so full of holes and horrendous >>mistakes that might make my explanation of these filters seem >>contradictory. >Well, thank goodness you said so, I was wondering!!

it’s hard to manage a big train of thought like that by yourself while keeping it relevant without making a whole cacophony of errors and screwing up a fundamental things here and there and everywhere. human nature. go figure. different if i was writing a book or something more permanent on the subject, but i was just initiating something that will no doubt get lost in the google machine a month from now, but it needed to be presented, cos i’ve been around Usenet and the forums some have reaped a lot of info. in the process and have pursued the many aspects of filtering to extract what i want out of it better. So i was just sharing that some. There is a bunch more i could say re filtering, but some other time perhaps. — If a pervert exposes himself in a forest and noone is around to see it, is it still rude behavior?

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On 06 Oct 2002 14:18:20 GMT, greensp…@aol.com (Jan) wrote: >>From: Grrr grr…@AMpost.com >Thank you very much for taking all that time to construct this detailed >explanation. I DO appreciate it and printed all 8 pages for future reference. >Have to go to a college open house for child #3. I am having a minor heart >attack with the thought of all 3 in college at the same time $$$$$. Jan

well understood. — If a pervert exposes himself in a forest and noone is around to see it, is it still rude behavior?

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>From: TSNW t…@optonline.net >You mentioned Hofstra once — I have been meaning to ask you about it >for a very long time, and just keep forgetting.  They are supposed to >have a fairly decent theatre program — do you have any knowledge?  How >is it stacking up compared to the other colleges you know?

I don’t really have any knowledge about the theatre program. Sorry. My son is liberal arts/undeclared, at the moment. He is having a tough adjustment period, though. He stayed for the first full weekend this past weekend. He likes it better at home, he says. Oh well, hopefully, he’ll do well academically, which is the main purpose. We only live about 90 miles away, but that Belt Parkway is the worst! An hour and 1/2 trip takes over 3 hours on a Friday.

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Jan wrote: > I don’t really have any knowledge about the theatre program. Sorry. My son is > liberal arts/undeclared, at the moment. > He is having a tough adjustment period, though.

Thanks, Jan … I hope things settle down for him.  Since you have other children, I imagine you’ve already read the book, "Letting Go," about adapting to sending them off to college? — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com

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>From: TSNW t…@optonline.net >I imagine you’ve already read the book, "Letting Go," >about adapting to sending them off to college?

Nope, but will look for it. Thanks. One more to send off after this one. Jan

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I constructed this very hastily. and i don’t have all day. (the mold is taking over my kitchen) so, upon review, i just realized it is so full of holes and horrendous mistakes that might make my explanation of these filters seem contradictory. But i meant for it to initiate some questions that might be much more circumstantial. It’s hard to construct complex filters that are too hypothetical. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Sun, 06 Oct 2002 05:15:13 GMT, Grrr <grr…@AMpost.com> wrote: >i’ll just do this in great detail the once for all you dumb folk (like >i once was) >despite the subject, first i’ll go through and explain the headers >fields i detail and enlighten you some on what (i think) it all means. >so i right click a message i have opened and select "show all headers >fields" in the pop up menu. >>Path: news.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.g iganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn12feed!wn11feed!wn7feed!worldnet.att.net!12 8.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsgate.netvigator.com!imsp212.netvigat or.com!not-for-mail >each of these are the headers is giving details about the computer >settings concerning the messages’ origin. >this one says that the message can be traced back to the server >>imsp212.netvigator.com >then it had to be passed onwards to each of these Network news >transfer (NNTP) hubs; >>newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp .giganews.com!wn12feed!wn11feed!wn7feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!ne ws.maxwell.syr.edu!newsgate.netvigator.com >before it could reach; >>news.easynews.com >the news server which i downloaded it from >but this doesn’t account for the fact that i might download through an >anon NNTP proxy, use an anon remailer, or that someone wasn’t >telneting to an open news server via a proxy chain onto which the >message was deposited and sent >>From: xnt…@relax.cm >this is the from address (duh) >now the above is just a conventional field, built into the design of >the your newsreader program. so it is only pointing to a field in the >software you are using, not at all where the message is coming from or >how it has arrived. >an anon remailer will strip something like this from a message >or you could use a program like ghost mailer(i think it is called) and >telnet to an news host and deliver it into the news feed. >or you could use any number of UNIX or Linux progs. and design your >own fields; the realm of hacker stuff; etc. >but the from field in your settings (in contrast to the "reply to" >field) may conveniently be quoted by a newsreader, >so we might anti-SPAM it, in case any folk out there are running a >-bot program that scans through newsgroups and compiles just a raw >list of E-Addresses, then selling these lists to the advertisers, >thusly: >>From: SPxnt…@AMrelax.cm >this means that if the "relax.com" were a valid server, rather than >forcing this server to process all the SPAM messages that are being >sent to this null address upon that server, like this example would; >>From: SPAMxnt…@relax.cm >we are giving an invalid server address, plus i feel that someone need >only put a routine in these bot to take this convention of inserting >SPAM into a message and write a simple routine that removes the word >"SPAM" or "NO SPAM" or maybe even capital letters from the address. >It’s up to you, but that’s just my $.02 >>Newsgroups: alt.support.tinnitus,alt.support.tourette,alt.support.trauma-ptsd >the list of newsgroups the message is being posted across. >if you want to reply to a message, so that the replies to your message >only go to say; >>Newsgroups: alt.support.tinnitus,alt.support.tourette >except for in the more dumbed down news readers which do not have this >function, you might insert; >>alt.support.tinnitus,alt.support.tourette >into the followup-to: field, whose field and other fields, when you’re >compiling a post, can be accesses by "CTRL+D" >Sometimes i’ve put the follow up as; >>alt.support,tinnitus,alt.support.tourette >changing the full stop into a comma to trip people up who might not >think to look at the  header field and only notice that the newsgroups >field has changed. >as there is no such group as just alt.support or tinnitus >>Subject: Executive Chair with LIFETIME WARRANTY !! >all newsreader i gather can filter the subject. (more on filtering >below) >when you retrieve just the headers of a group, before retrieving the >whole message body, there are actually two types of accepted ways a >news server will allow you to do this; >one is to retrieve just the XHDR (headers) >which is must faster, and is for retrieving simply, a massage count >(of the message ID numbers) and may include just a few specific >headers. i.e. the from and subject lines. >the other method is XOVER (a message overview) retrieval >which will retrieve all the basic conventional header fields; >>subject >>author >>date >>message-id >>references >>byte count >>line count. >which allows programs which use a more advanced filtering method to >filter out the headers in messages, en masse, short of having to >retrieve whole message bodies. >agent uses only the XHDR method, then you download the massage bodies. >>Date: 2 Oct 2002 10:21:53 GMT >also included in the XHDR >>Organization: IMS Netvigator >just another user optional field (allowing for any small text message) >>Lines: 23 >the line of text in the body of each message >though i am thinking this might depend on the margin settings of the >news reader program) – (another reader dependent thing) >>Message-ID: <anehc1$7sn3…@imsp212.netvigator.com> >the major source of reference to a post. >for searching for messages on google. >for tracking a post within a server’s logs >and to refer to when complaining to a provider about a particular >message >>NNTP-Posting-Host: pcd701099.netvigator.com >the server location you have logged onto. >this address tells your location on navigator.com, which is how a >hacker wanting to intrude into your system might trace where you are >plugged into the network and might tell from any logs when you are >online. >It’s one of the fields a server can choose to add and to publicly >inform or not, for good and for bad, in which case some of these >headers are not included in messages being posted from different folk >at different locations. >>Xref: newsfeed1.easynews.com alt.support.tinnitus:66679 alt.support.tourette:83678 alt.support.trauma-ptsd:35530 >the message number for a particular message concerning each group it >was posted into, for sorting out whether you already have downloaded >that message or not. >>X-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 03:26:38 MST (news.easynews.com) >the time and date that the newsfeed for my news provider pulled in >this message. >*start of message body* >************************ >>qmncbgonqdgmptvhrkuigdsousjmrlduddlbfrqwmrfwtfuqvcezwerltbpcwyjmyxbblzkn >Garbled message ID from the SPAMers personal bot program. >meaning it was posted from a program that sends out messages en masse, >for good or for bad, to these sorts of message boards. >allowing the user to keep record of their countless messages. >info about the type of message encoding used (thus, how to decode it) >>begin 644 d:AdvertisementLink Share AffiliatesRelaxTheBack.html >M/"%$3T-465!%(&AT;6P@4%5"3$E#("(M+R]7,T,O+T141"!(5$U,(#0N,#$@ >M5′)A;G-I=&EO;F%L+R]%3B(^#0H:’1M;#X-"CQH96%D/@T*("`=&ET;&4^ >M4F5L87A4:&5"86-K/"]T:71L93X-"B`@("`@("`@("`@("`-"B`@/&UE=&$@ >M:’1T<"UE<75I=CTB8V]N=&5N="UT>7!E(B!C;VYT96YT/2)T97AT+VAT;6P[ >M(&-H87)S970]0FEG-2(^#0H+VAE860^#0H8F]D>3X-"B`@(`T*/&1I=B!A >M;&EG;CTB8V5N=&5R(CX@/&$-"B!H<F5F/2)H=’1P.BO8VQI8VLN;&EN:W-Y >M;F5R9WDN8V]M+V9S+6)I;B]S=&%T/VED/6MU=WA:<&<R531G)F%M<#MO9F9E >M<FED/30S,S<X)F%M<#MT>7!E/3,F86UP.W-U8FED/3`B/B`-"CQI;6<@=VED >M=&@](C$V,"(@:&5I9VAT/2(V,#`B(&%L=#TB0F%N;F5R(#<B(&)O<F1E<CTB >M,"(-"B!S<F,](FAT=’`Z+R]W=W<N<F5L87AT:&5B86-K+F-O;2]L:6YK<VAA >M<F4O4E1"15A%0S$V,’@V,#`N9VEF(CX-"B`+V$^(#QI;6<@8F]R9&5R/2(P >M(B!W:61T:#TB,2(@:&5I9VAT/2(Q(@T*(‘-R8STB:’1T<#HO+V%D+FQI;FMS >M>6YE<F=Y+F-O;2]F<RUB:6XO<VAO=S]I9#UK=7=X6G!G,E4T9R9A;7`[8FED >M<STT,S,W."XQ,#`P,#`P-R9A;7`[='EP93TT)F%M<#MS=6)I9#TP(CX-"B`@ >F/&)R/@T*(#PO9&EV/@T*("`@#0H+V)O9'D^#0H+VAT;6P^#0HP >` >>end >****************************** >any questions about the above? >If you have agent, which has several filtering and other misc. >limitations (when the new version comes out [which was proposed to be >released as the 2000 version] that is supposed to be the same old >agent but which has been totally overhauled, that forteinc has been >working on and keep putting off, the changes will be interesting), so >i don’t recommend it whole heartily over all other readers in all >cases. >but it can filter using a language, called ‘regular expressions’ >these are a complex arrangement of filter arguments, and constructing >a complex filter is an art all in itself. >but the thing with agent, is that the fields it allows one to filter >is very limiting, which makes the filter not all that practical. >no doubt, in the new version these advanced filtering methods is >something they will clearly have to rectify. >at the moment, you can filter based on; >repeating posts: this is when a message from one forum is cross >posted, so that if you read another forum with the same message, you >can choose to have that message marked read or deleted. Nearly all my >filters are mark simply read, in case i need to view the read messages >and see the nature of the original post which initiated a certain >reply or replies. this cross checking can be done via message-id or by >other few simple header fields (just go through the settings) >you can also (in the settings, not as a filter per se) choose not to >retrieve messages that are being posted across a certain number of >groups or more. >Though i don’t think you can filter based on particular groups that >the message is being posted into. >as you’re viewing a

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