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I have been actively participating on the ASAD NG the same amount of time i have been participating on AST. For those who don’t know it, abuse and trauma victims have the same exact symptoms that are being alleged as the symptoms of ADHd. My question has been, does ADHD ever occur in anyone other than traumatized and or abused children. The only people suggesting it’s a neuro disorder on ASAD are all very abusive people or supporters of outrageous abuse towards other people. Because the only people suggesting aDHd is genetic…are ABUSERS, my conclusion is that children who develop ADHD are children either traumatized by catastrophic medical treatments, their being mistreated by school personnel owing ot have TS or autism, or some disability …or children abused by someone they share territory with in the home or neighboring homes. ADHD = traumatized or abused child.
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"Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message
news:bjkdvb$4ef$0@pita.alt.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been actively participating on the ASAD NG the same amount of time i > have been participating on AST. > For those who don’t know it, abuse and trauma victims have the same exact > symptoms that are being alleged as the symptoms of ADHd. > My question has been, does ADHD ever occur in anyone other than traumatized > and or abused children. > The only people suggesting it’s a neuro disorder on ASAD are all very > abusive people or supporters of outrageous abuse towards other people. > Because the only people suggesting aDHd is genetic…are ABUSERS, my > conclusion is that children who develop ADHD are children either traumatized > by catastrophic medical treatments, their being mistreated by school > personnel owing ot have TS or autism, or some disability …or children > abused by someone they share territory with in the home or neighboring > homes. > ADHD = traumatized or abused child.
This is just categorically untrue, LInda. And I think you know it. I really feel for you and the emotional stress you seem to go through, but blaming others, (some who have tried to support you) is simply unfair and uncalled for. It’s exactly these kinds of statements that cause people to respond to you in ways that you seem to feel are "abusive". Jo
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"Jo Cohen" <joco…@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:TCCdnXmKEZ6PVcCiXTWJhQ@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message > news:bjkdvb$4ef$0@pita.alt.net… > > I have been actively participating on the ASAD NG the same amount of time > i > > have been participating on AST. > > For those who don’t know it, abuse and trauma victims have the same exact > > symptoms that are being alleged as the symptoms of ADHd. > > My question has been, does ADHD ever occur in anyone other than > traumatized > > and or abused children. > > The only people suggesting it’s a neuro disorder on ASAD are all very > > abusive people or supporters of outrageous abuse towards other people. > > Because the only people suggesting aDHd is genetic…are ABUSERS, my > > conclusion is that children who develop ADHD are children either > traumatized > > by catastrophic medical treatments, their being mistreated by school > > personnel owing ot have TS or autism, or some disability …or children > > abused by someone they share territory with in the home or neighboring > > homes. > > ADHD = traumatized or abused child. > This is just categorically untrue,
It’s not untrue. The symptoms of trauma, abuse and ADHD are exactly the same. Parents whose children were traumatized owing to medical problems or mistreated at school with TS or autism all recognize it. Only people ever assert the symptoms are other than trauma or abuse, are abusive people denying they are abusive.
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"DeChiera" <OperaLo…@att.net> wrote in message
news:8FE7b.136111$3o3.9675762@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "bluemoon" <bluem…@milkyway.com> wrote in message > news:Bjv7b.32563$Mb2.1270424@twister.tampabay.rr.com… > > "Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message > news:bjlvcq$v42$0@pita.alt.net… > >>>>>>> snip <<<<<<< > LMG: I think abusing children is what causes pain, and with it all > manner of pathology of a physical, neuro and emotional nature. > Leah aka: Okay, so what as a parent can you do to help this not happen to > your son. So what as a person, who grew up in a abusive family setting, > can you do to adjust the pathology, so your physical, neuro and emotional > nature are more to your liking? > BMoon: So, are you saying that your son, with TS, is a victim of abuse. > Remember, you are the custodial parent. > Leah aka: To whomever is interested … > LMG has mentioned her son having several operations throughout his lifetime > and purports this as a possible source of trauma for him. I tend to believe > her in this regards. I have always found LMG to be a loving mother, loving > aunt and loving friend of children. I differ on some of her manners of > directions for raising a child to become a success adult in todays society > but do not believe her to have been abusive towards her son. I believe > she has stopped the cycle of abuse from the generation in which we grew up > in as children and is just trying out different theories to account for all > the damage she herself had incurred as a child and how to best go about > healing. > If you are all aghast at the posting style of LMG, I can assure you, it is > nothing IMO compared to what she experienced as a child via the adult in our > family of origin. Her projections/transferences, from my way of thinking, > are more like attacks on the "unnamed" person, she has yet to face, question > and attribute fault to. But she is getting closer everyday …. > Think of this little newsgroup as a parent figure, she needs to rebel > against, some of you have mentioned teenaged children or older. Doesn’t > some of the posts remind you of that adolescent period??? Perhaps some > people are still struggling to grow up, having not had the opportunity to do > so in their family of origin (survival mode full gears). My suggestion is > to treat LMG like an adolescent and what all comes with that, showing her by > example kinder, loving ways to get her needs met. One day at a time, one > post at a time. > Leah aka > ============================================= > "Is not man himself the most unsettled of all the creatures of the earth? > What is this trembling of all the creatures of the earth? What is this > trembling sensation that is intensified with each ascending step in the > natural order?" ~ UBetti
Linda is an adult. While I appreciate what she went thru as a child, NO ONE deserves the abuse she has heaped on everyone. I won’t condone it, I won’t enable it, and I will call her on this garbage. If she is so content with her victim role, I suggest giving her a blankie and a time out.
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"Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message
news:bjn6at$col$0@pita.alt.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "bluemoon" <bluem…@milkyway.com> wrote in message > news:zeE7b.32960$875.1325059@twister.tampabay.rr.com… > > "Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message > > news:bjn2au$546$0@pita.alt.net… > > > It’s pathological pain slut and S & M sexual deviant, Deborah Bentley > of > > > Tampa Bay/Clearwater Florida posting more vicious and hateful delusions > > > about other peoples children. > > By the way, how ’bout them Bucs! > How bout the poor husbands, and terrorized little girls of sicko women like > you? > You did say, that it was the "terror" you saw in your daughters eyes, > while putting on another one of your S & M performances as pain slut, that > finally incited you to let your poor husband move on to a healthy > relationship with a healthy woman, wasn’t it?
No. YOU said that. Btw, you gonna answer that question?
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"bluemoon" <bluem…@milkyway.com> wrote in message
news:zeE7b.32960$875.1325059@twister.tampabay.rr.com… > "Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message > news:bjn2au$546$0@pita.alt.net… > > It’s pathological pain slut and S & M sexual deviant, Deborah Bentley of > > Tampa Bay/Clearwater Florida posting more vicious and hateful delusions > > about other peoples children. > By the way, how ’bout them Bucs!
How bout the poor husbands, and terrorized little girls of sicko women like you? You did say, that it was the "terror" you saw in your daughters eyes, while putting on another one of your S & M performances as pain slut, that finally incited you to let your poor husband move on to a healthy relationship with a healthy woman, wasn’t it?
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"Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message
news:bjn2au$546$0@pita.alt.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "bluemoon" <bluem…@milkyway.com> wrote in message > news:Bjv7b.32563$Mb2.1270424@twister.tampabay.rr.com… > > "Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message > > news:bjlvcq$v42$0@pita.alt.net… > > > "Karen" <krez~56@remove-this-and-the~.earthlink.net> wrote in message > > > news:zVp7b.1872$c35.900@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > > > Leticia wrote: > > > > > "Louis Bouchard" <louisjbouch…@charter.net> wrote in message > > > > >>I thought these days were gone. This statement reminds me of the > days > > > > >>(which were not so long ago) where doctors suggested that autism was > > > > >>caused by "Refridgerator Mothers". > > > > > That theory has never been disproven. > > > > > I personally believe an ASPergers mother/primary caregiver could > > imprint > > > > > aspergers on their child. > > > > This is where I have to step in. Very long-term AST members may > > > > remember me. I have one autistic child and another with ADHD – > > > > inattentive type. Yet another with no dx. I am not autistic or AS, and > > > > only one of my three children is autistic. I am also not ADD, though > > > > my husband has TS and ADD. He is certainly not abusive, and is a very > > > > loving, attentive father. > > > > My child with ADHD is *extremely* social, and the oldest falls within > > > > typical social parameters. If I were imprinting autism/aspergers, > > > > shouldn’t all three of my children show autistic features? My ADHD > > > > child is about as far from autistic as it is possible to be! She has > > > > also never been abused, though she would probably say that my > > > > reluctance to buy her every pair of shoes she wants (just how many > > > > pairs of shoes does a teenager need, anyway?) constitutes abuse 
. > > > > Anyone who knows me and my children will back up that they are not > > > > abused. I know many other children with autism and/or ADD who are not > > > > abused, with or without autism spectrum parents. I also know > > > > autistic/aspergers parents who have typical children. > > > > Your theories will serve only to cause pain and spread misinformation > > > > about parents who really don’t deserve it. > > > > Karen > > > I think abusing children is what causes pain, and with it all manner > of > > > pathology of a physical, neuro and emotional nature. > > So, are you saying that your son, with TS, is a victim of abuse. > Remember, > > you are the custodial parent. > OMG > It’s pathological pain slut and S & M sexual deviant, Deborah Bentley of > Tampa Bay/Clearwater Florida posting more vicious and hateful delusions > about other peoples children. > Don’t you think your choosing to collude with your husband and engage in a S > & M relationship where you played the role of PAIN SLUT and got beaten to a > pulp in plain view of the poor little girls you made a captive audience of > your SICK, patholoogical deviant behavior was two children too many. > What a revolting woman you are to have CHOSEN to have a sick, pathological, > relationship with your poor husband, in front of your two poor little > girls. > How neglectful and abusive of you to put your being an adrenalin junkied and > need for PAIN, in front of the need of those two small girls. > How totally unsurprising it is that one of those little girls reaction to > the terror and trauma you put her through was to follow in Daddy’s footstemp > and become a lesbian rather than a woman like her sicko mother, you. > How many psychotropic drugs you taking these days, to anesthesise yourself > from what you did to your poor husband, and the terror and trauma you put > two defenseless girls through as the captive audience to your pathology, > Deborah Bentley? > Are you still abusing usenet posters from Big Blue, or have you decided to > post your lies, defamation and libel about strangers, just from your home > computer, these day?
But you didn’t answer my question, are we to assume that you abused your son, based on the information YOU have provided?
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"Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message
news:bjn2au$546$0@pita.alt.net… > It’s pathological pain slut and S & M sexual deviant, Deborah Bentley of > Tampa Bay/Clearwater Florida posting more vicious and hateful delusions > about other peoples children.
By the way, how ’bout them Bucs!
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"Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message
news:bjn2au$546$0@pita.alt.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "bluemoon" <bluem…@milkyway.com> wrote in message > news:Bjv7b.32563$Mb2.1270424@twister.tampabay.rr.com… > > "Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message > > news:bjlvcq$v42$0@pita.alt.net… > > > "Karen" <krez~56@remove-this-and-the~.earthlink.net> wrote in message > > > news:zVp7b.1872$c35.900@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > > > Leticia wrote: > > > > > "Louis Bouchard" <louisjbouch…@charter.net> wrote in message > > > > >>I thought these days were gone. This statement reminds me of the > days > > > > >>(which were not so long ago) where doctors suggested that autism was > > > > >>caused by "Refridgerator Mothers". > > > > > That theory has never been disproven. > > > > > I personally believe an ASPergers mother/primary caregiver could > > imprint > > > > > aspergers on their child. > > > > This is where I have to step in. Very long-term AST members may > > > > remember me. I have one autistic child and another with ADHD – > > > > inattentive type. Yet another with no dx. I am not autistic or AS, and > > > > only one of my three children is autistic. I am also not ADD, though > > > > my husband has TS and ADD. He is certainly not abusive, and is a very > > > > loving, attentive father. > > > > My child with ADHD is *extremely* social, and the oldest falls within > > > > typical social parameters. If I were imprinting autism/aspergers, > > > > shouldn’t all three of my children show autistic features? My ADHD > > > > child is about as far from autistic as it is possible to be! She has > > > > also never been abused, though she would probably say that my > > > > reluctance to buy her every pair of shoes she wants (just how many > > > > pairs of shoes does a teenager need, anyway?) constitutes abuse . > > > > Anyone who knows me and my children will back up that they are not > > > > abused. I know many other children with autism and/or ADD who are not > > > > abused, with or without autism spectrum parents. I also know > > > > autistic/aspergers parents who have typical children. > > > > Your theories will serve only to cause pain and spread misinformation > > > > about parents who really don’t deserve it. > > > > Karen > > > I think abusing children is what causes pain, and with it all manner > of > > > pathology of a physical, neuro and emotional nature. > > So, are you saying that your son, with TS, is a victim of abuse. > Remember, > > you are the custodial parent. > OMG > It’s pathological pain slut and S & M sexual deviant, Deborah Bentley of > Tampa Bay/Clearwater Florida posting more vicious and hateful delusions > about other peoples children. > Don’t you think your choosing to collude with your husband and engage in a S > & M relationship where you played the role of PAIN SLUT and got beaten to a > pulp in plain view of the poor little girls you made a captive audience of > your SICK, patholoogical deviant behavior was two children too many.
Domestic violence is NOT S&M, but it doesn’t surprise me that you would make that leap. > What a revolting woman you are to have CHOSEN to have a sick, pathological, > relationship with your poor husband, in front of your two poor little > girls. > How neglectful and abusive of you to put your being an adrenalin junkied and > need for PAIN, in front of the need of those two small girls. > How totally unsurprising it is that one of those little girls reaction to > the terror and trauma you put her through was to follow in Daddy’s footstemp > and become a lesbian rather than a woman like her sicko mother, you.
If you were half the woman my daughter is, you would receive support here. > How many psychotropic drugs you taking these days, to anesthesise yourself > from what you did to your poor husband, and the terror and trauma you put > two defenseless girls through as the captive audience to your pathology, > Deborah Bentley?
Hey, Girl, med free! > Are you still abusing usenet posters from Big Blue, or have you decided to > post your lies, defamation and libel about strangers, just from your home > computer, these day?
Why don’t you tell me, you are the one that thinks you are the computer wizard. Got no reason to, I’m not running from anything, what are you running from?
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Sesgardner wrote: > More likely, since IMO, ADHD falls on the autistic spectrum, and it’s genetic, > there are many abusive parents of children with ADHD, since the parents > themselves have genetic problems.
This would seem to imply a relationship between increased rates of abuse among families with members on the autism spectrum … are there some researchers who suggest that to be the case, or any credible data or literature to support that idea? — Tourette Syndrome – Now What? http://tourettenowwhat.tripod.com
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"bluemoon" <bluem…@milkyway.com> wrote in message
news:Bjv7b.32563$Mb2.1270424@twister.tampabay.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message > news:bjlvcq$v42$0@pita.alt.net… > > "Karen" <krez~56@remove-this-and-the~.earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:zVp7b.1872$c35.900@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > > Leticia wrote: > > > > "Louis Bouchard" <louisjbouch…@charter.net> wrote in message > > > >>I thought these days were gone. This statement reminds me of the days > > > >>(which were not so long ago) where doctors suggested that autism was > > > >>caused by "Refridgerator Mothers". > > > > That theory has never been disproven. > > > > I personally believe an ASPergers mother/primary caregiver could > imprint > > > > aspergers on their child. > > > This is where I have to step in. Very long-term AST members may > > > remember me. I have one autistic child and another with ADHD – > > > inattentive type. Yet another with no dx. I am not autistic or AS, and > > > only one of my three children is autistic. I am also not ADD, though > > > my husband has TS and ADD. He is certainly not abusive, and is a very > > > loving, attentive father. > > > My child with ADHD is *extremely* social, and the oldest falls within > > > typical social parameters. If I were imprinting autism/aspergers, > > > shouldn’t all three of my children show autistic features? My ADHD > > > child is about as far from autistic as it is possible to be! She has > > > also never been abused, though she would probably say that my > > > reluctance to buy her every pair of shoes she wants (just how many > > > pairs of shoes does a teenager need, anyway?) constitutes abuse . > > > Anyone who knows me and my children will back up that they are not > > > abused. I know many other children with autism and/or ADD who are not > > > abused, with or without autism spectrum parents. I also know > > > autistic/aspergers parents who have typical children. > > > Your theories will serve only to cause pain and spread misinformation > > > about parents who really don’t deserve it. > > > Karen > > I think abusing children is what causes pain, and with it all manner of > > pathology of a physical, neuro and emotional nature. > So, are you saying that your son, with TS, is a victim of abuse. Remember, > you are the custodial parent.
OMG It’s pathological pain slut and S & M sexual deviant, Deborah Bentley of Tampa Bay/Clearwater Florida posting more vicious and hateful delusions about other peoples children. Don’t you think your choosing to collude with your husband and engage in a S & M relationship where you played the role of PAIN SLUT and got beaten to a pulp in plain view of the poor little girls you made a captive audience of your SICK, patholoogical deviant behavior was two children too many. What a revolting woman you are to have CHOSEN to have a sick, pathological, relationship with your poor husband, in front of your two poor little girls. How neglectful and abusive of you to put your being an adrenalin junkied and need for PAIN, in front of the need of those two small girls. How totally unsurprising it is that one of those little girls reaction to the terror and trauma you put her through was to follow in Daddy’s footstemp and become a lesbian rather than a woman like her sicko mother, you. How many psychotropic drugs you taking these days, to anesthesise yourself from what you did to your poor husband, and the terror and trauma you put two defenseless girls through as the captive audience to your pathology, Deborah Bentley? Are you still abusing usenet posters from Big Blue, or have you decided to post your lies, defamation and libel about strangers, just from your home computer, these day?
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"Joe Parsons" <a…@yankeemedia.n3t> wrote in message
news:tcsslvgfvjr1eqs9vl40v6tcsd5s8ata0f@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:25:18 GMT, "DeChiera" <OperaLo…@att.net> wrote: > [snip] > >> Because the only people suggesting aDHd is genetic…are ABUSERS, my > >> conclusion is that children who develop ADHD are children either > >traumatized > >> by catastrophic medical treatments, their being mistreated by school > >> personnel owing ot have TS or autism, or some disability …or children > >> abused by someone they share territory with in the home or neighboring > >> homes. > >> ADHD = traumatized or abused child. > >Ah, Leticia, and whom may this be …. > Three guesses. > >Let’s say for discussion sake, that your and your son’s ADD problems "do" > >stem from traumatization or abuse as children. > Leah! PLEASE try to keep up! > Linda/Leticia now claims that ADD does not exist: > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:31:09 -0700, "Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote: > >>ADHD doesn’t exist. > >>The symptoms are symptoms of trauma or abuse. > >>The abusiveness of the posters of ASAD is proof positive ADHD is just a big > >>cover up for the traumatizing and abuse of children. > Joe Parsons
Hi Joe, I did see where LMG wrote that ADHD doesn’t exist, but I chose to believe she was just trying out a theory of hers or just trying to get a rise out of people. Linda, IMHO, has invested too much energy into finding a diagnosis which will include all her and her son’s symptoms … but would like the diagnosis to be of a physical nature vs. mental issues. With criterias of diagnosis changing all the time, I’m just questioning her need for a label at one at all. Why not just treat the symptoms. It would seem to me, LMG should realize by this time … that medications, for her at least, have not produced the effects she wants. If I was someone she confided in, I would heavily suggest behavior therapy. It’s a lot of work but each step produces positive results and IMO rewiring of brain action/reactions learnt earlier in life. I, personally, have friends with ADHD and have seen the difference when they take their medications, diet and exercise vs. when they chose not to and strongly believe ADHD/ADD to be a physical abnormality, genetic in nature vs. environmentally brought on. But believe it or not LMG might be headed in a better direction as she researches about abuse/traumatic events in children’s lives that can produce physiological effects for her own solutions. Leah aka ================================================== "Every President reconstructs the Presidency to meet his own psychological needs." ~ AM Schlesinger
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>ubject: Re: ADHD is caused by ABUSE >From: sesgard…@aol.com (Sesgardner) >Date: 9/9/03 9:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <20030910001851.20786.00000…@mb-m21.aol.com> >>Do you participate on any AOL forums? >Yes, the Dachshund forum!! :) >Although I don’t post much, as some of the people there have no tolerance for >children, especially those with any "behavioral" difficulties.
LOL Do you, or anyone else on AOL (besides TSNW) know or understand how the moderation on AOL message boards work? Today, a "certain person" posted a horribly hateful and vicious attack on Nonitpic to AOL’s parenting TS message board. The "certain person’s" vicious and hatefilled post was removed sometime tonite, and is no longer available, thank goodness. . But, what good does retromoderation do, if the damage to someone from "somebody’s" hateful and vicious attacks is already done before AOL or the moderator removed the totally uncalled for attack? A certain somebody trolls AOL message boards and forums and makes that experience, for anyone discussing TS, as abusive as they make posting to AST. I fear the only way anyone can talk freely about TS anywhere on the WWW without being viciously and hatefully attacked by a certain somebody is by employing code words, in place of the words TS, tics, tourettes, ADHD, OCD etc.. It was pretty funny in a way, cause I had KILLFILED that certain somebody, again, on usenet…only to find they were trying to stir the pot on AOL message boards. sigh. One of these days I am going to start a MODERATED NG…for neuro disorders (my friends have thriving ones for psych disorders) where people can express their their thoughts, opinions and beliefs about neuro disorders, and treatments of them without being flamed and personally attacked for doing so! MGH is too on topic, and usenet is too off topic. I want something in between. Goldilocks! AKA Linda
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"Joe Parsons" <a…@yankeemedia.n3t> wrote in message
news:tcsslvgfvjr1eqs9vl40v6tcsd5s8ata0f@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:25:18 GMT, "DeChiera" <OperaLo…@att.net> wrote: > [snip] > >> Because the only people suggesting aDHd is genetic…are ABUSERS, my > >> conclusion is that children who develop ADHD are children either > >traumatized > >> by catastrophic medical treatments, their being mistreated by school > >> personnel owing ot have TS or autism, or some disability …or children > >> abused by someone they share territory with in the home or neighboring > >> homes. > >> ADHD = traumatized or abused child. > >Ah, Leticia, and whom may this be …. > Three guesses. > >Let’s say for discussion sake, that your and your son’s ADD problems "do" > >stem from traumatization or abuse as children. > Leah! PLEASE try to keep up! > Linda/Leticia now claims that ADD does not exist: > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:31:09 -0700, "Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote: > >>ADHD doesn’t exist. > >>The symptoms are symptoms of trauma or abuse. > >>The abusiveness of the posters of ASAD is proof positive ADHD is just a big > >>cover up for the traumatizing and abuse of children. > Joe Parsons
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"Karen" <krez~56@remove-this-and-the~.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:zVp7b.1872$c35.900@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Leticia wrote: > > "Louis Bouchard" <louisjbouch…@charter.net> wrote in message > >>I thought these days were gone. This statement reminds me of the days > >>(which were not so long ago) where doctors suggested that autism was > >>caused by "Refridgerator Mothers". > > That theory has never been disproven. > > I personally believe an ASPergers mother/primary caregiver could imprint > > aspergers on their child. > This is where I have to step in. Very long-term AST members may > remember me. I have one autistic child and another with ADHD – > inattentive type. Yet another with no dx. I am not autistic or AS, and > only one of my three children is autistic. I am also not ADD, though > my husband has TS and ADD. He is certainly not abusive, and is a very > loving, attentive father. > My child with ADHD is *extremely* social, and the oldest falls within > typical social parameters. If I were imprinting autism/aspergers, > shouldn’t all three of my children show autistic features? My ADHD > child is about as far from autistic as it is possible to be! She has > also never been abused, though she would probably say that my > reluctance to buy her every pair of shoes she wants (just how many > pairs of shoes does a teenager need, anyway?) constitutes abuse . > Anyone who knows me and my children will back up that they are not > abused. I know many other children with autism and/or ADD who are not > abused, with or without autism spectrum parents. I also know > autistic/aspergers parents who have typical children. > Your theories will serve only to cause pain and spread misinformation > about parents who really don’t deserve it. > Karen
I think abusing children is what causes pain, and with it all manner of pathology of a physical, neuro and emotional nature.
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"Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message
news:bjlvcq$v42$0@pita.alt.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Karen" <krez~56@remove-this-and-the~.earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:zVp7b.1872$c35.900@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > Leticia wrote: > > > "Louis Bouchard" <louisjbouch…@charter.net> wrote in message > > >>I thought these days were gone. This statement reminds me of the days > > >>(which were not so long ago) where doctors suggested that autism was > > >>caused by "Refridgerator Mothers". > > > That theory has never been disproven. > > > I personally believe an ASPergers mother/primary caregiver could imprint > > > aspergers on their child. > > This is where I have to step in. Very long-term AST members may > > remember me. I have one autistic child and another with ADHD – > > inattentive type. Yet another with no dx. I am not autistic or AS, and > > only one of my three children is autistic. I am also not ADD, though > > my husband has TS and ADD. He is certainly not abusive, and is a very > > loving, attentive father. > > My child with ADHD is *extremely* social, and the oldest falls within > > typical social parameters. If I were imprinting autism/aspergers, > > shouldn’t all three of my children show autistic features? My ADHD > > child is about as far from autistic as it is possible to be! She has > > also never been abused, though she would probably say that my > > reluctance to buy her every pair of shoes she wants (just how many > > pairs of shoes does a teenager need, anyway?) constitutes abuse . > > Anyone who knows me and my children will back up that they are not > > abused. I know many other children with autism and/or ADD who are not > > abused, with or without autism spectrum parents. I also know > > autistic/aspergers parents who have typical children. > > Your theories will serve only to cause pain and spread misinformation > > about parents who really don’t deserve it. > > Karen > I think abusing children is what causes pain, and with it all manner of > pathology of a physical, neuro and emotional nature.
So, are you saying that your son, with TS, is a victim of abuse. Remember, you are the custodial parent.
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"Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote in message
news:bjkdvb$4ef$0@pita.alt.net… > I have been actively participating on the ASAD NG the same amount of time
snip > ADHD = traumatized or abused child.
But Linda, since your child has symptoms of ADD, by your claim, I guess we can assume that you abused him. Why did you abuse him?
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Leticia wrote: > That theory has never been disproven. > I personally believe an ASPergers mother/primary caregiver could imprint > aspergers on their child. > Not because they are cold, but because they have aspergers and can’t > imprint the necessary non-verbal language.
Based on this what you have said, then I should not have any children because you would consider me to be abusive to them (accused before I could even have a chance to commit the act). — Louis Bouchard de KC2FNN Rochester MN USA louisjbouch…@charter.net "I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them." —————————– Issac Asimov
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>Do you participate on any AOL forums?
Yes, the Dachshund forum!! :) Although I don’t post much, as some of the people there have no tolerance for children, especially those with any "behavioral" difficulties. Sara
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sesgardner wrote: >>ADHD = traumatized or abused child. > While symptoms of PTSD and ADHD may be similar, I don’t buy it that ADHD is > caused by abuse. > More likely, since IMO, ADHD falls on the autistic spectrum, and it’s genetic, > there are many abusive parents of children with ADHD, since the parents > themselves have genetic problems. > It’s kind of a which came first, the chicken or the egg argument. > My therapist attributed my symptoms of ADD to abuse. Until I started learning > more about my son’s difficulties (ADD is NOT one of them) and I soon realized > that what I was dealing with was a genetic disorder, not something caused by > abuse. > Yes, the abuse made it more difficult. Yes, the abuse probably happened because > of the genetic component, but no, my symptoms were not caused by abuse. > Sara
I thought these days were gone. This statement reminds me of the days (which were not so long ago) where doctors suggested that autism was caused by "Refridgerator Mothers". — Louis Bouchard de KC2FNN Rochester MN USA louisjbouch…@charter.net "I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them." —————————– Issac Asimov
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"Louis Bouchard" <louisjbouch…@charter.net> wrote in message
news:vlrpjln5cbcb98@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sesgardner wrote: > >>ADHD = traumatized or abused child. > > While symptoms of PTSD and ADHD may be similar, I don’t buy it that ADHD is > > caused by abuse. > > More likely, since IMO, ADHD falls on the autistic spectrum, and it’s genetic, > > there are many abusive parents of children with ADHD, since the parents > > themselves have genetic problems. > > It’s kind of a which came first, the chicken or the egg argument. > > My therapist attributed my symptoms of ADD to abuse. Until I started learning > > more about my son’s difficulties (ADD is NOT one of them) and I soon realized > > that what I was dealing with was a genetic disorder, not something caused by > > abuse. > > Yes, the abuse made it more difficult. Yes, the abuse probably happened because > > of the genetic component, but no, my symptoms were not caused by abuse. > > Sara > I thought these days were gone. This statement reminds me of the days > (which were not so long ago) where doctors suggested that autism was > caused by "Refridgerator Mothers".
That theory has never been disproven. I personally believe an ASPergers mother/primary caregiver could imprint aspergers on their child. Not because they are cold, but because they have aspergers and can’t imprint the necessary non-verbal language. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Louis Bouchard > de KC2FNN > Rochester MN USA > louisjbouch…@charter.net > "I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them." > —————————– > Issac Asimov
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Leticia wrote: > "Louis Bouchard" <louisjbouch…@charter.net> wrote in message >>I thought these days were gone. This statement reminds me of the days >>(which were not so long ago) where doctors suggested that autism was >>caused by "Refridgerator Mothers". > That theory has never been disproven. > I personally believe an ASPergers mother/primary caregiver could imprint > aspergers on their child.
This is where I have to step in. Very long-term AST members may remember me. I have one autistic child and another with ADHD – inattentive type. Yet another with no dx. I am not autistic or AS, and only one of my three children is autistic. I am also not ADD, though my husband has TS and ADD. He is certainly not abusive, and is a very loving, attentive father. My child with ADHD is *extremely* social, and the oldest falls within typical social parameters. If I were imprinting autism/aspergers, shouldn’t all three of my children show autistic features? My ADHD child is about as far from autistic as it is possible to be! She has also never been abused, though she would probably say that my reluctance to buy her every pair of shoes she wants (just how many pairs of shoes does a teenager need, anyway?) constitutes abuse . Anyone who knows me and my children will back up that they are not abused. I know many other children with autism and/or ADD who are not abused, with or without autism spectrum parents. I also know autistic/aspergers parents who have typical children. Your theories will serve only to cause pain and spread misinformation about parents who really don’t deserve it. Karen
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:25:18 GMT, "DeChiera" <OperaLo…@att.net> wrote:
[snip] >> Because the only people suggesting aDHd is genetic…are ABUSERS, my >> conclusion is that children who develop ADHD are children either >traumatized >> by catastrophic medical treatments, their being mistreated by school >> personnel owing ot have TS or autism, or some disability …or children >> abused by someone they share territory with in the home or neighboring >> homes. >> ADHD = traumatized or abused child. >Ah, Leticia, and whom may this be ….
Three guesses. >Let’s say for discussion sake, that your and your son’s ADD problems "do" >stem from traumatization or abuse as children.
Leah! PLEASE try to keep up! Linda/Leticia now claims that ADD does not exist: On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:31:09 -0700, "Leticia" <Leti…@nozpam.com> wrote: >>ADHD doesn’t exist. >>The symptoms are symptoms of trauma or abuse. >>The abusiveness of the posters of ASAD is proof positive ADHD is just a big >>cover up for the traumatizing and abuse of children.
Joe Parsons
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>ADHD = traumatized or abused child.
While symptoms of PTSD and ADHD may be similar, I don’t buy it that ADHD is caused by abuse. More likely, since IMO, ADHD falls on the autistic spectrum, and it’s genetic, there are many abusive parents of children with ADHD, since the parents themselves have genetic problems. It’s kind of a which came first, the chicken or the egg argument. My therapist attributed my symptoms of ADD to abuse. Until I started learning more about my son’s difficulties (ADD is NOT one of them) and I soon realized that what I was dealing with was a genetic disorder, not something caused by abuse. Yes, the abuse made it more difficult. Yes, the abuse probably happened because of the genetic component, but no, my symptoms were not caused by abuse. Sara
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