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"Sesgardner" <sesgard…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040507173700.10421.00001010@mb-m02.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> It’s all a ladder, really, and you are not on the bottom rung. There > >are many, > >> many others on far lower rungs than you. Keep climbing up, and > >appreciate how > >> far your parents climbed themselves. > >> Sara > >Wow, Sara, that’s a great statement! > >jo > Well, thank you, but it apparently alienated Fred. He doesn’t like "my kind of > person" and tells me he has killfiled me. > In case you’re reading, Fred, I’ve blocked you from sending me email, so please > don’t try. > It appears to me that you only like the kind of person who will hold your hand > and say, "poor boy" not the kind who will tell you the truth. > And as for something that seems to bother you oh, so much, me having time on my > hands, here are the facts: > 1) I own my own business, and manage a team of 50+ people. > 2) I own my own home in one of the most expensive areas in the nation. > 3) I am a single mom, supporting myself and my special needs child. > 4) I do volunteer work at school and in the community. > 5) I don’t watch much t.v., maybe that’s where my "free time" is coming from. > Sara > ok, so maybe Jo was right, I am more than ‘just a mom’
Again, I was going to reply about this…about how I don’t buy into the "just a mom" concept because it’s hard work. There is no "just" about it. But to hell with it. "Interesting." bah
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And another thing: I am now elephantless. Hope the same can be said for everyone else here. Pablo
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"NONITPlK" <cyberb…@aol.comNONITPlK> wrote in message
news:20040507181535.26879.00000727@mb-m19.aol.com… > Thanks for the info, Linda…. > As I like to say, anyone can be anything on the Internet…
And you, Brenda, can be something. YOU are an elephant here. Pablo
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HAH! I JUST drafted this post and then looked down the thread, and sure enough, she’s posted another link. I haven’t looked at it yet, so I’ll send this now. "Sesgardner" <sesgard…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040507121126.15763.00001166@mb-m16.aol.com… > >Gourmet Cooks of WEED, > Gourmet Cooks of WEED? > Is this a recipe of the month club or something? > What are you TALKING about, Linda? > I know you mean well, but sometimes I think your points would be better made if > you kept your replies shorter and perhaps more to the point. And made them > easier to understand. Just a thought. I find myself confused by them
sometimes. She is probably referring to a post I made 4 or so years ago in a thread about using marijuana in cooking (less harmful for the lungs). I made this this funny post about "gourmet spaghetti" and the directions were something like 1. take out pasta from package. 2. take a hit from the pipe. 3. take out cooking pot. 4. take a hit from the pipe. 5. put water in the cooking pot. etc. It was supposed to be a funny post. It’s been so long now that I forget if people laughed about it. She’s probably found it and is referring to it or preparing to provide a link to it. And since we’re on the subject, there will probably be another post found. My oldest son, who was much younger then was experimenting with a few things. Unbeknownst to us, he had been experimenting prior to my use. (And here is where people will jump all over me for "influencing my kid" when it was not like that at all. Precautions were taken so as not to expose them to anything.) My son logged onto my computer and posted at least one post as "Pablo," maybe a few. That wasn’t the upsetting thing. It was that he was experimenting. And not telling us. And anger at ourselves for not having seen it. My wife and I had been teens once (amazing but true), and we would have been able to talk to him about it, but he didn’t come to us. In thinking about it, did WE go to OUR parents about it? Nope. I’m sure this post will be found, too, and a link will no doubt be provided. If not, I’ll just let it lay there. He was punished for what he did (and has lived to tell about it). My son was doing what many kids do: experimenting. He did that, and then he did the skater thing, and now he’s in some sort of "straight edge" anti-establishment, anti-"big-everything" phase, with a rather interesting head of hair. I figure he’ll burn himself out in his late 20’s and slowly begin to make the shift to into normal adult pessimism. ;-) Son 2 will be 18 in some months. He eye blinking and used to stutter. (Did I post this before? I forget.) Son 3 just turned 16 and WANTS A CAR. (right) This is not directed at you, Sara, but I hope this post provides folks with lots to chit-chat about. I may be a therapist (and other things), but I am also just a regular middle aged guy who has had to weather the storms of life like anybody else. Pablo currently elephantless
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"Sesgardner" <sesgard…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040507172531.10421.00001009@mb-m02.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >http://www.google.com/groups?selm=8roud5%2433k%241%40slb0.atl.mindspring. > net&oe=ISO-8859-1&output=gplain > That IS quite a recipe, I must agree. I can see how someone could work up a > tremendous appetite using pot in that manner. > And I can see your point, about P perhaps changing his persona to fit the group > he’s posting to. > Interesting. > Sara
You just couldn’t wait, eh? Okay. Pablo.
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"Sesgardner" <sesgard…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040507020123.29731.00000934@mb-m05.aol.com… > >I used marijuana medically back in 2000 for a brief period. Stupid? Maybe. > >It’s 2004. I no longer use it, but I am a supporter of the medical > >marijuana movement. > I wouldn’t call it stupid. It sounds like it was a decent decision at the time. > If you say you were not smoking while counseling, I believe you. > As I said, I am not against smoking pot. And I am certainly for telling the > truth. Thanks for sharing and killing that elephant. Anything else someone > might dig up for us whilst googling that you’d like to share ahead of
time? 
I just did, and I was going to reply nicely to the above, but I don’t think I’ll address anything above because you fell for her bait. Look at the posting times. Pablo
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"Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040507122050.09103.00000050@mb-m17.aol.com… > >Fred, are you saying that if you only had excellent health coverage like the > >Bush Family, then you wouldn’t have the problems you do with TS? > >Just wondering. > >Sara > George Bush got a quick diagnosis. Early diagnosis to TS is an important key > factor as how to get medical relief, further education, and some success.
As it turns out, I apparently had a low grade case of Graves for a good part of my life. My mom remembers me taking a shower, getting ready to go to school, and being so sweaty afterwards that she’d think, "He needs another shower!" Over the years, my eyes started to slowly protrude…so slowly that it went virtually unnoticeable. I also always had a very slight tremor, which many people have. Thought nothing of it, really. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It does not mean that I would not have any challenges with my TS. I can just > state that if the TS is diagnosed early enough, certain precautionary measures > can be put in place to help a person live with the disorder much easier than > having to see almost 40 doctors between my TS and allergy symptoms and make > positive steps toward a brighter future. Kids are now being Dx’ed at age 7 and > sometimes earlier. It also helps when you have educated parents – the type > that would tune in to AST and turn to TSA. Tourette information was almost > non-existant before 1972. My mild TS may never have been Dx’ed had I had some > good parental help with English and Math at home. It is my responsibility to > go on with my life at this point. Early medical intervention is key to be able > to keep a person productive and mainstreamed. I do know of another person with > Graves disease who when through a lot of turmoil in his life. If the disorder > is not caught in its early stages, a person can loose his marriage, home, job, > dignity, etc. The same goes with those with mild TS. I know because I have > been there.
Thanks for understanding just how devastating Graves Disease can be. I was told that if my case would have been left untreated, I may very well have died from cardiac arrest (so I was on beta blockers) or gone blind from the swelling of the muscles behind my eyes pressing against my optic nerve. It was hard to eat. The tremor got so bad that I couldn’t keep food on a spoon or fork. I couldn’t walk across a room carrying a beverage because it would spill. If I would go for a walk, I would have to stop every 10 minutes or so to rest. The Graves’-related "eye surgery" I ended up having was called an orbital decompression (the removal of bone behind the eyeballs, making the sockets deeper). We started wondering if it was Parkinson’s. One whisper from others was cancer. Some of our friends didn’t quite know what to say when they’d see me. We found out who our true friends were during that period. After I finally got better, I had to deal with wondering, for example, if I dropped something…"Is it back?" Almost a PTSD-like symptom. I’m sure people can relate to this. I know that one of my sons can. Pablo
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> It’s all a ladder, really, and you are not on the bottom rung. There are many, > many others on far lower rungs than you. Keep climbing up, and appreciate how > far your parents climbed themselves. > Sara
Wow, Sara, that’s a great statement! jo
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The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity. -Ayn Rand The rung of a ladder was never meant to rest upon, but only to hold a man’s foot long enough to enable him to put the other somewhat higher. -Thomas H. Huxley A wise man lowers a ladder before he jumps into a pit. -Anonymous You cannot push anyone up the ladder unless he is willing to climb. -Andrew Carnegie As we ascend the social ladder, viciousness wears a thicker mask. -Erich Fromm Success is a ladder that cannot be climbed with your hands in your pocket. -Anonymous
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>http://www.google.com/groups?selm=8roud5%2433k%241%40slb0.atl.mindspring.
net&oe=ISO-8859-1&output=gplain That IS quite a recipe, I must agree. I can see how someone could work up a tremendous appetite using pot in that manner. And I can see your point, about P perhaps changing his persona to fit the group he’s posting to. Interesting. Sara
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>> It’s all a ladder, really, and you are not on the bottom rung. There >are many, >> many others on far lower rungs than you. Keep climbing up, and >appreciate how >> far your parents climbed themselves. >> Sara >Wow, Sara, that’s a great statement! >jo
Well, thank you, but it apparently alienated Fred. He doesn’t like "my kind of person" and tells me he has killfiled me. In case you’re reading, Fred, I’ve blocked you from sending me email, so please don’t try. It appears to me that you only like the kind of person who will hold your hand and say, "poor boy" not the kind who will tell you the truth. And as for something that seems to bother you oh, so much, me having time on my hands, here are the facts: 1) I own my own business, and manage a team of 50+ people. 2) I own my own home in one of the most expensive areas in the nation. 3) I am a single mom, supporting myself and my special needs child. 4) I do volunteer work at school and in the community. 5) I don’t watch much t.v., maybe that’s where my "free time" is coming from. Sara ok, so maybe Jo was right, I am more than ‘just a mom’
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Thanks for the info, Linda…. As I like to say, anyone can be anything on the Internet…
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"Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040507100258.03927.00000888@mb-m01.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There is a medical use for many of the drugs that this country has made > "illegal". > Marijuana helps chemo patients keep their food down. Heroine is one of the > best pain killers. > People can make a lot of jugdements. I can only say that they should not > comment until they have walked a mile in your shoes. FYI, both Barbara and > George Bush Sr. had Graves disease. Because of their excellent health care > benefits, they lost little time and were able to resume with their duties very > quickly – unlike myself who spent most of my life trying to figure out why I > make funny noises. > Fred in denver
I agree with you, Fred. Health "care" in America is in shambles. Granted, there are some excellent doctors out there. But many do not have/cannot afford adequate health care. Our older people are losing their hard earned savings to outrageous med costs. My experience with Graves Disease taught me to be more proactive with medical care providers. I started asking lots more questions. I insisted on being included in what was going on. Did my own research. I had regular company insurance, not any Bush fancy stuff. Thank goodness I at least had insurance. I also had a family that stood by me (who am I kidding? they uplifted me.) I am also scrappy. ;-) Thanks for your post. Pablo
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>I can just >state that if the TS is diagnosed early enough, certain precautionary >measures >can be put in place to help a person live with the disorder much easier
<snip> >It also helps when you have educated parents – the type >that would tune in to AST and turn to TSA.
Tourette information was almost >non-existant before 1972.
If TS info was almost non-existant then I don’t see how your parents education or income level could have helped? They couldn’t exactly have tuned into something that didn’t exist? >My mild TS may never have been Dx’ed had I had some >good parental help with English and Math at home.
So it’s a good thing you got dx’d or a bad thing? I’m not sure I follow. Earlier in this post you said early dx is important, but now you’re saying you may never have been dx’d at all had it not been for poor parental help. Fred, maybe I’m just not understanding some gaps in what you’re saying, I have a problem with fill-in-the-blank conversations. But it seems to me that you are bitter that some people seem to have an easier time of it in this world while others struggle, you being one of the strugglers. It’s all a ladder, really, and you are not on the bottom rung. There are many, many others on far lower rungs than you. Keep climbing up, and appreciate how far your parents climbed themselves. Sara
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On 07 May 2004 14:02:58 GMT, fen…@aol.com (Fenisz) wrote: >People can make a lot of jugdements. I can only say that they should not >comment until they have walked a mile in your shoes.
I have lived with thyroid disease for a quarter of a century. No matter how many secondary conditions it has caused me, including carpal tunnel, arthritic pain, FM, GERD, something akin to MS, even TMJ where my jaw locked down for a rather considerable period of time, and the only nourishment I could take is that which I could get through a friggen straw, I never once even thought to self-medicat with ANY illegal substance. Neither has one single person whom I compared notes with about thyroid disease in the 25 years I have been comparing notes with people who have thyroid disease— Fortunately, his rationalizations for his illegal drug use are neither here nor there. the elephant is Pablo’s arrogance and manic grandiosity that laws are only intended for other people, not Pablo the elephant is pablo’s DECEPTION, betrayal of employers trust, taking taxpayers hard earned money while flaunting public laws. the elephant is Pablo’s being a liar, and corrupt and a corrupting influence on everyone who associates with him and assimilates his bankrupt value system. You believe Pablo’s cock and bull story—even where the story is one where Pablo admits having deceived employers, betrayed their trust, took public money while flaunting public laws? AS if Pablo would be more honest with strangers then he was to his employer!
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>Gourmet Cooks of WEED,
Gourmet Cooks of WEED? Is this a recipe of the month club or something? What are you TALKING about, Linda? I know you mean well, but sometimes I think your points would be better made if you kept your replies shorter and perhaps more to the point. And made them easier to understand. Just a thought. I find myself confused by them sometimes. Sara
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>Fred, are you saying that if you only had excellent health coverage like the >Bush Family, then you wouldn’t have the problems you do with TS? >Just wondering. >Sara
George Bush got a quick diagnosis. Early diagnosis to TS is an important key factor as how to get medical relief, further education, and some success. It does not mean that I would not have any challenges with my TS. I can just state that if the TS is diagnosed early enough, certain precautionary measures can be put in place to help a person live with the disorder much easier than having to see almost 40 doctors between my TS and allergy symptoms and make positive steps toward a brighter future. Kids are now being Dx’ed at age 7 and sometimes earlier. It also helps when you have educated parents – the type that would tune in to AST and turn to TSA. Tourette information was almost non-existant before 1972. My mild TS may never have been Dx’ed had I had some good parental help with English and Math at home. It is my responsibility to go on with my life at this point. Early medical intervention is key to be able to keep a person productive and mainstreamed. I do know of another person with Graves disease who when through a lot of turmoil in his life. If the disorder is not caught in its early stages, a person can loose his marriage, home, job, dignity, etc. The same goes with those with mild TS. I know because I have been there. Fred
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"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea: massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." In"Gene Spafford’s Departure (from USENET.)"
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>Because of their excellent health care >benefits, they lost little time and were able to resume with their duties >very >quickly – unlike myself who spent most of my life trying to figure out why I >make funny noises. >Fred in denver
Fred, are you saying that if you only had excellent health coverage like the Bush Family, then you wouldn’t have the problems you do with TS? Just wondering. Sara
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On 07 May 2004 06:01:23 GMT, sesgard…@aol.com (Sesgardner) wrote: > And I am certainly for telling the truth.
The truth is one thing one will NEVER hear from those on the Merry Go Round called DENIAL. All one can expect to hear from those on the Merry Go Round called DENIAL is their bullshit rationalizations, justifications and excuses for those in DENIAL doing whatever they want, whenever they want to, where ever they want to, because they WANT to, and because they can. Denial their grandiosity incites them to believe the laws apply to other people; while they themselves are above the law. Denial deceiving employers and betraying the trust they misplaced in them is corrupt. Denial it’s obscene of those taking the public’s hard earned money to flaunt the publics law. Denial the "elephant" is the arrogance and manic grandiosity of those who see themselves as friggen DEITIES empowered not only to self servingly decide which laws are to be obeyed, and disobeyed, but whose voice will be heard on public unmoderated NG’s. Denial their manic grandiosity incites them to believe the ENDS, justify the means—their deceit is justified, their twisting and distorting the truth beyond recognition to incite netnoia and solicit aggression against others whose opinion about Gourmet Cooks of WEED, or grandiose psychoT’s trolling usenet displeases them. DENIAL they are corrupt and a corrupting influence on anyone who associates with them and assimilate their self serving and grandiose and bankrupt value system.
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"Fenisz" <fen…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040507100258.03927.00000888@mb-m01.aol.com… > People can make a lot of jugdements. I can only say that they should not > comment until they have walked a mile in your shoes.
I agree
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:YAWN "Linda" <Li…@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:bf1n90lruk6bbq4l6cnkp6ghp35vllhkel@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The truth is one thing one will NEVER hear from those on the Merry Go > Round called DENIAL. > All one can expect to hear from those on the Merry Go Round called > DENIAL is their bullshit rationalizations, justifications and excuses > for those in DENIAL doing whatever they want, whenever they want to, > where ever they want to, because they WANT to, and because they can. > Denial their grandiosity incites them to believe the laws apply to > other people; while they themselves are above the law. > Denial deceiving employers and betraying the trust they misplaced in > them is corrupt. > Denial it’s obscene of those taking the public’s hard earned money > to flaunt the publics law. > Denial the "elephant" is the arrogance and manic grandiosity of those > who see themselves as friggen DEITIES empowered not only to self > servingly decide which laws are to be obeyed, and disobeyed, but > whose voice will be heard on public unmoderated NG’s. > Denial their manic grandiosity incites them to believe the ENDS, > justify the means—their deceit is justified, their twisting and > distorting the truth beyond recognition to incite netnoia and solicit > aggression against others whose opinion about Gourmet Cooks of WEED, > or grandiose psychoT’s trolling usenet displeases them. > DENIAL they are corrupt and a corrupting influence on anyone who > associates with them and assimilate their self serving and grandiose > and bankrupt value system.
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>I used marijuana medically back in 2000 for a brief period. Stupid? Maybe. >It’s 2004. I no longer use it, but I am a supporter of the medical >marijuana movement.
I wouldn’t call it stupid. It sounds like it was a decent decision at the time. If you say you were not smoking while counseling, I believe you. As I said, I am not against smoking pot. And I am certainly for telling the truth. Thanks for sharing and killing that elephant. Anything else someone might dig up for us whilst googling that you’d like to share ahead of time? Sara
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There is a medical use for many of the drugs that this country has made "illegal". Marijuana helps chemo patients keep their food down. Heroine is one of the best pain killers. People can make a lot of jugdements. I can only say that they should not comment until they have walked a mile in your shoes. FYI, both Barbara and George Bush Sr. had Graves disease. Because of their excellent health care benefits, they lost little time and were able to resume with their duties very quickly – unlike myself who spent most of my life trying to figure out why I make funny noises. Fred in denver
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For the sake of clarity about a recent issue that has arisen: I had chicken pox when I was about 10… Fast forward… Married…kids…dogs… Fast forward… Back in 1999, I was diagnosed with Graves Hyperthyroidism after months of non/misdiagnosis. That fall, I had my first dose of radiation to "kill" my over-active thyroid. The condition had become so severe that my entire body experienced tremor, severe weight loss (people "joked" that I looked like a skeleton…meaner people whispered that I had cancer), heat sensitivity, and extreme fatigue. As I have explained to people in the past, imagine a car sitting in Park, and you have your foot on the gas pedal, flooring it. The car starts overheating, shaking. That is what the body does when thyroxine tells every cell in the body to keep working 24-7. This is how my body spent much of 1999 and 2000. I lost body fat, muscle, and bone, as my body literally started eating itself because it could not keep up with the energy demand. During that time, I was working in a corporate capacity, doing some training. I was NOT treating adolescents or any clients, for that matter (so THAT error can be put to rest). It became more and more difficult for me to work. In consultation with a wholistic practitioner, I tried using marijuana medically to increase my appetite and to help me sleep at night (my cells were still active during "sleep" so it wasn’t really sleep at all). A conundrum: do I try this approach and risk violating a corporate policy, or do I just keep letting my body waste away? All my doctors knew I was doing this, endorsed it, but said they could not prescribe it. A check of my thyroid found that the radiation had little effect. I needed more radiation in 2000. So I took the risk. And as luck would have it, I was called in for a random urine test. I tested postive. I was told that I would be discharged if I tested positive again. And so I stupidly bought some silly product, which worked amazingly after a second test. Shortly after that, I went out on short-term disability to fully heal from my thyroid disease. Once I had my medication stabilized, I was able to have the eye surgery I needed from my thyroid nightmare. In short (and to dumb things down), they enlarged my eye sockets in 2000. After that, I found a new job and continued the joy/struggle of living. The cannabis? It may have helped a bit. But it was the second dose of radiation that finally killed my thyroid, which sent my weight skyrocketing. After being put on Synthroid, and finding the right dosage, my weight has returned to relatively normal (the way I was before I got sick). Now I just take one little Synthroid pill every morning (125 mcg. Oh, and I drink coffee. I’ll take some alcohol on occasion, but it generally makes me drowsy (I’m not a "happy hour" person. I’d be asleep by 9). I used marijuana medically back in 2000 for a brief period. Stupid? Maybe. It’s 2004. I no longer use it, but I am a supporter of the medical marijuana movement. It is beneficial for people with a variety of immune disorders, cancers, etc. Fortunately, more and more states are understanding the truth behind the corporate and governmental propaganda. I also have nothing against the occasional adult use of marijuana on a recreational basis. It is much safer than alcohol, on the whole. And I will not apologize for what I did. While it was not the best course of action to take, I did it to keep working and feeding my family. If you have never been in a similar situation, just maybe you would not be able to relate. I fully expect some people to judge, spin, twist, crosspost (greetings, friends!), and/or otherwise misuse the above words. Let them "post it it down the lane" with their mock outrage. They love doing it. My grandmother used to call it hen-cackling. Just remember that the above came directly from the source: from the person who lived it. Truth kills elephants. I will not be replying to questions about any of the above unless I deem them to be in good faith. Pablo
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