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>As one who has been very close to PTSD and abuse issues I am glad she has >taken an interest in the subject. I wish more of the public were aware of >this debilitating disorder. >Go for it Lisa and good luck!!
Thanks, I appreciate the positive feedback. This will be my second story about PTSD–the first one, which I wrote for Glamour, focused on survivors of the Oklahoma City bombing and their continuing struggle to recover. Meeting those women and listening to their harrowing stories really made me appreciate how excruciating this disorder can be. Best, Lisa
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Copy of this has been posted to the NG. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ——Original Message—– From: Halsey <hal…@magi.com> Newsgroups: alt.support.trauma-ptsd Date: Monday, October 12, 1998 9:44 PM Subject: Re: Writer’s question about EMDR >What a puritanical society we live in. As a citizen in this society I do not >feel it is my place to judge another (let he who is without sin cast the 1st >stone) unless I am on a jury at a trial. >I believe the request by Lisa was a legitimate one. > >As one who has been very close to PTSD and abuse issues I am glad she has >taken an interest in the subject. I wish more of the public were aware of >this debilitating disorder. >Go for it Lisa and good luck!! There you go Lisa, You have someone to interview who "has been very close to PTSD and abuse issues". I hope all goes well. By the way, I live " very close " to a lake, and that don’t necessarily make me a fish or an authority on them. Close, they say, only counts in playing horseshoes! RG Lowe…..making haste slowly
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Hi Rick! — snip — > Lisa, I, for one, agree with John Bradshaw when he says that the way > we have always raised our children, can only be considered abusive. > Viewing my childhood from a distance, from the outside, it seemed > *normal*. Living it from the inside has left me with PTSD, not from my > military days(drafted in 1969), but from my dear ol’ mom and dear ol’ > dad.
Another 12 Stepper that I know says that children do not become adults unscathed. 
We do have the opportunity with our new knowledge gained from our PTSD experience to stop the cycle of emotional poverty in our families. This may be our most important legacy … to show our children that they have choices emotionally as well as academically, physically etc. Teaching our kids, no matter what their age, to understand a ‘love-based system’ and to replace our ‘fear-based system’ with love may be our generation’s most important gift to the future. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy
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lwcoll…@aol.com wrote: >>I am writing an article for Penthouse magazine on EMDR (Eye Movement >Desensitization and Reprocessing) as a therapy for PTSD and other emotional >disorders. While many of the therapists I’ve interviewed say they’ve…>>
UCKFAY ENTPAY-OUSEHAY ANDHAY ETHEY ORSEHAY ATHEY ODERAY INHAY ONHAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your magazine is for PIGS…do you understand PIG-LATIN? Keep your filth among the filthy.
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Hi Folks! > >>I am writing an article for Penthouse magazine on EMDR (Eye Movement > >Desensitization and Reprocessing) as a therapy for PTSD and other emotional > >disorders. While many of the therapists I’ve interviewed say they’ve…>>
— snip — > Keep your filth among the filthy.
Before we get crazed here … confusing the messenger with the message … let’s consider: 1. Even thought PTSD is a currently trendy or ‘in’ subject, she would not be writing an article if she didn’t have some affiliation/interest/experience with PTSD. Obviously, she cannot share this connection as she would be immediately labelled as ‘biased’, and her articles would NOT be accepted for publication. 2. As she writes for more than one publication (if memory serves, this was at least her 2nd request for input on an article), I doubt that she is employed by any magazine. It appears that she is a free-lance writer, supporting herself (and children?) by writing articles for various magazines. I believe that magazines like PH may pay better and accept more PTSD-oriented articles than Good Housekeeping. The above being said (typed?), I choose to not participate in her article research. However, I do not begrudge her earning a living by writing about PTSD for ANY publication which will pay her. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy
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In article <19981012235010.29038.00000…@ng42.aol.com>, lwcoll…@aol.com (Lwcollier) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >As one who has been very close to PTSD and abuse issues I am glad she has > >taken an interest in the subject. I wish more of the public were aware of > >this debilitating disorder. > >Go for it Lisa and good luck!! > Thanks, I appreciate the positive feedback. This will be my second story about > PTSD–the first one, which I wrote for Glamour, focused on survivors of the > Oklahoma City bombing and their continuing struggle to recover. Meeting those > women and listening to their harrowing stories really made me appreciate how > excruciating this disorder can be. > Best, > Lisa
While I hate posr, and believe that penthouse is very much into that, and therfore shouldn’t be supported in any means, this might be an opportunity, Lisa… If they’r going to be so "brash" as to do an artical which is helpfull in difussing obsessions on the pain caused by peoples sexual addiction/ past abuse, ect, (of which I feel porn aften leads to) you, Lisa, I think should try to point out that it only makes sense that an artical outlining the danger points of viewing porn (ie, if you could like, put the difference between viewing occasionally in drugstore to actively renting videos, ect to ted bundy (powerful view of a life disruppted/ transformed and entrapped) thn maybe penthouse would run it. payoffs.> gets you another artical if they like yu previos one it gets you more of a profile for your potofolio (although I realize this might get you a job writing fot them which I wouldn’t want any woman to do) but also, some peoples attitudes towards penthouse might cange, if they see PH is open to see both sides of their industry…… and open to doing somthing to prevent misuse of thier material. I havent done any formal emdr, but after reading a book o n it, and concentrating, for a day or two after, I was able to notice "comforting" switches/ blink patterns during the cousres of my "eye blinking" It helped a bit to decrease panic…. I guess i’d say that it should be done with other techniques in the background as well…. like, it’s good if the panic/ bad feeling is decreased, but you don’t want to lose any healing/ deep lessons that can be gained from remembering somthing and putting the confusion in context (ie history of abuse) emma it’s an important tool to decrease sucide during emotional crisis times. ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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Seeking info an effects of paroxetine (an antidepreseent/ SSRI) , but first a bit on my situatiuon. Hi, I’v been daling with all sorts of sleeplessness to deep sleep (nightmares), and also, after my grandma’s funeral last month it intensified the memories of other deaths related to abuse, and of my own childhood abuse. i usually have a hard time from July to mid october, but this time I can’t shake the images that come to mind, and (maybe) it’s being prolonged by me having a hard time with grieving my grandmothers death….. you know… being "stuck" in freeze frame staring at the past in the midst of the present "trauma" (my oma was 97 and had a peacefull death…. still hard though, b/c she was a refuge in my life). Now, I’m in the process of looking for work (actually probabley have a job for 1/2 of the week giving out food (meat, dipping sauces, ect) at a grocery accros town. I’v never worked in a retail enviroment before, and hope to continue (at some time) working in a children’s center. (the study is conducted by a Prarie hopital clinic on anxiety, is focused on treatment on PSTD well supervised, and voluntary participation (ie, I can withdraw at any time without withdrawal of thier support) OKAY, now here’s the various questions, How, sleepy does P. make you? How long till the side effects go away? Does this mean that my creativity will leave for the 16 weeks that I’m on it? the side effects include tremors/ and nausea (will this feel like fainting?) I guess I’m concerened about starting this new job and how the side effects will affect it… will the medication’s side effects act like "triggers" on me?????? kind of silly question but I wanna know….. Will I simply gradually just "feel" happier, more able to ntice the great things that make me laugh/ and realize the context of the deaths, the truths/ and saftey that I’v realized? or is it going to be like I can’t access that part of things (in other words a minor "dissasociation" of sorts)? I guess that just about sums it up… thanks for any info that you can give, including typical followup/ chances of meds beign continued after the study (In canada, so i am under medicare) danke, merci, and thankyou very much, emma ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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Hi Emma! Earlier this week my son was given a prescription for a SRI. The psychiatrist said that there are at least 15 different SRI medications on the market in the USA. While it may be different number of SRI medications in Canada, the concept is still the same IMO. If you have any side effects which make you uncomfortable on a SRI, immediately contact the medication prescriber, and tell her/him about them. The psychiatrist is in a much better position to decide if/when the SRI needs to be changed … we, the patients, can only give them feedback. Individual reactions to SRIs are based upon our body’s chemistry which comes from our genetic backgrounds. My son’s psychiatrist was interested in which SRI etc. I was taking to help him in selecting a SRI for my son. We are not on the same one, tho 
I do not believe that you will be kept on a counter-productive SRI in a human study. They let the guinea pigs die in animal studies, but the protocols are different in human studies. You might wish to double-check this with your psychiatrist _before_ you start your part in the human trials. The answer might make you feel safer in your part of the studies. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Seeking info an effects of paroxetine (an antidepreseent/ SSRI) , but first > a bit on my situatiuon. > Hi, I’v been daling with all sorts of sleeplessness to deep sleep > (nightmares), and also, after my grandma’s funeral last month it intensified > the memories of other deaths related to abuse, and of my own childhood > abuse. i usually have a hard time from July to mid october, but this time I > can’t shake the images that come to mind, and (maybe) it’s being prolonged by > me having a hard time with grieving my grandmothers death….. you know… > being "stuck" in freeze frame staring at the past in the midst of the present > "trauma" (my oma was 97 and had a peacefull death…. still hard though, b/c > she was a refuge in my life). > Now, I’m in the process of looking for work (actually probabley have a job > for 1/2 of the week giving out food (meat, dipping sauces, ect) at a grocery > accros town. > I’v never worked in a retail enviroment before, and hope to continue (at some > time) working in a children’s center. > (the study is conducted by a Prarie hopital clinic on anxiety, is focused on > treatment on PSTD well supervised, and voluntary participation (ie, I can > withdraw at any time without withdrawal of thier support) > OKAY, now here’s the various questions, > How, sleepy does P. make you? How long till the side effects go away? > Does this mean that my creativity will leave for the 16 weeks that I’m on it? > the side effects include tremors/ and nausea (will this feel like fainting?) > I guess I’m concerened about starting this new job and how the side effects > will affect it… > will the medication’s side effects act like "triggers" on me?????? kind of > silly question but I wanna know….. > Will I simply gradually just "feel" happier, more able to ntice the great > things that make me laugh/ and realize the context of the deaths, the truths/ > and saftey that I’v realized? or is it going to be like I can’t access that > part of things (in other words a minor "dissasociation" of sorts)? > I guess that just about sums it up… thanks for any info that you can give, > including typical followup/ chances of meds beign continued after the study > (In canada, so i am under medicare) > danke, merci, and thankyou very much, emma
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At first, I thought the same thing: "What the hell?!? Can’t these spammer’s just leave us alone!" But then, I reconsidered. I think Lisa is right, we can’t turn away someone who is trying to offer advise to those who have experienced trauma just because we don’t agree of the content of the rest of the medium. Look at it this way, by putting articles in magazines such as playboy and penthouse, you are able to reach a section of human society that was previously unattainable. Someone is not a bad person just because they read playboy or penthouse or any other pornography. That’s just like condemning someone for masturbating in the privacy of their own home, which IMHO is a greater predicator of sexually abusive behavior becaue of the repressed tension and guilt it causes. Everything in society has it’s place, including pornography. It may seem strange to some, but the people in those magazies like to do it, it’s completely voluntary! I see it as it being a catharsis for sexual tension and if it’s part of someone’s masturbation routine, who am I to critize. I’m in no way invalidating "wallpaper’s" feelings, I fully understand the situation and it’s natural to think that way. One thing you always have to remember is that people are ultimately responsible for their own actions, and if you need someone to hate, hate those who have directly wounded you… sometimes it’s good to be angry, it takes the pain away so you can figure out what to do next. Dave K — People in pain seldom think rationally, such is the human response.
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> Hi, I’v been daling with all sorts of sleeplessness to deep sleep >(nightmares), and also, after my grandma’s funeral last month it intensified >the memories of other deaths related to abuse, and of my own childhood >abuse. i usually have a hard time from July to mid october, but this time I >can’t shake the images that come to mind, and (maybe) it’s being prolonged by >me having a hard time with grieving my grandmothers death….. you know… >being "stuck" in freeze frame staring at the past in the midst of the present >"trauma" (my oma was 97 and had a peacefull death…. still hard though, b/c >she was a refuge in my life).
hi emma, so sorry to hear of your omas death, must have been tough but remember things will get better. >How, sleepy does P. make you? How long till the side effects go away?
well i guess that depends on the prsn, i think it generally ‘promotes’ sleep so it wont knock you out cold, and you should feel pretty normal (whats normal?) when you wake up. the side effects (if any) should go away in a few days after you have been on the correct dose. your doc will increase the dose slowly so as not to bring on side effects and to let your body adjust. >Does this mean that my creativity will leave for the 16 weeks that I’m on
it? nope, this aint a miricle drug (hope i didnt burst your bubble) your personality wont change, the changes are very little but just enough for it to make a difference. like say, one day you might think back on your day and realise that you had a tiny period that you felt ‘ok.’ these periods should increase until you have a general feeling of ‘okness’ or well being. >the side effects include tremors/ and nausea (will this feel like
fainting?) i didnt get these, but i am on lithium and i get a tremor which is a very slight shake in my hands, but it is hardly noticeable, only to me cos i know its there! >I guess I’m concerened about starting this new job and how the side effects >will affect it…
really, it will be okay, i dont think your doc would put you on anything that was going to effect your life negatively. and if you arent happy w/ paroxitine there will be another drug out there that will help you im sure. >will the medication’s side effects act like "triggers" on me?????? kind of >silly question but I wanna know…..
not too sure what you mean by that? >Will I simply gradually just "feel" happier, more able to ntice the great >things that make me laugh/ and realize the context of the deaths, the truths/ >and saftey that I’v realized? or is it going to be like I can’t access that >part of things (in other words a minor "dissasociation" of sorts)?
oops i think i answered that one alread 
) but yep, you got it. these drugs wont ‘numb’ you, you will still be able to feel but the feelings and emotions will be less intense or overwhelming and more healthy and appropriate. >I guess that just about sums it up… thanks for any info that you can give, >including typical followup/ chances of meds beign continued after the study >(In canada, so i am under medicare)
hope these things helped, just another’s view ) take care emma, annie. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->danke, merci, and thankyou very much, emma >———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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Wallpaper wrote: >>Magazines such as yours contribute to the demeaning of women AND men & >>probably contribute to the reason many people have been abused, have PTSD, >>and need therapy/EMDR. Your magazine and "Playboy" were a primer for my >>sexually abusive brothers. >:-< Lwcollier wrote in message <19981012001341.18949.00009…@ng86.aol.com>… >Your story is tragic and I sympathize with your suffering. Why would you
deny anyone who has suffered trauma a possible >pathway to recover? >Lisa
Why would you not be willing to have it all dragged through the mud, in public; or are you trying to deprive Lisa of a fat paycheck just because you think that part your life should remain private? When Penthouse becomes a "pathway to recovery", then," mine eye hath offended me..and I shall pluck it out". Please give us all a break! Just out of curiosity….what are the demographics on how many sex-trauma victims actually read Penthouse for info on therapy? RG Lowe…..making haste……..slowly
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>Just out of curiosity….what are the demographics on how many sex-trauma >victims actually read Penthouse for info on therapy?
I think there’s some confusion here. I never mentioned sexual trauma as the focus of my story for Penthouse. The article will actually talk about EMDR and how it’s used for a wide range of emotional disorders that some of the four or five million readers might well suffer from. For example, quite a few veterans read the magazine and may well have combat related PTSD, or others may have been victims of violent crimes, serious car accidents or any number of other traumas. I have already interviewed a police officer who is suffering from terrible PTSD due to numerous horrifying incidents he witnessed in the line of duty; and a breast cancer survivor who found EMDR beneficial in her emotional recovery from a devastating medical diagnosis. Lisa
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Lwcollier wrote in message <19981011162716.08091.00010…@ng110.aol.com>… >I am writing an article for Penthouse magazine on EMDR (Eye Movement >Desensitization and Reprocessing) as a therapy for PTSD and other emotional
___________________________________________________ "First of all, I would never give ANYTHING to a "Penthouse" but a bonfire. Magazines such as yours contribute to the demeaning of women AND men & probably contribute to the reason many people have been abused, have PTSD" ____________________________________________________ What a puritanical society we live in. As a citizen in this society I do not feel it is my place to judge another (let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone) unless I am on a jury at a trial. I believe the request by Lisa was a legitimate one. Whether she is working for Penthouse or as a freelance journalist for Penthouse in my opinion is irrelevant. She he is entitled to ask what she asked of the newsgroup without fear of being flamed for trying to do her job. Question? How did Kinsey get his information for his books. By talking to and questioning people about their sex lives, books read etc. But at that time he did not have the internet to utilize for his studies. As one who has been very close to PTSD and abuse issues I am glad she has taken an interest in the subject. I wish more of the public were aware of this debilitating disorder. Go for it Lisa and good luck!!
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I am writing an article for Penthouse magazine on EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) as a therapy for PTSD and other emotional disorders. While many of the therapists I’ve interviewed say they’ve had outstanding results with this treatment, others feel it’s not any more effective than other types of psychotherapy. To investigate this a bit further, I’d be interested in hearing from anyone who has actually tried it as to whether or it was successful. Lisa
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>Magazines such as yours contribute to the demeaning of women AND men & >probably contribute to the reason many people have been abused, have PTSD, >and need therapy/EMDR. Your magazine and "Playboy" were a primer for my >sexually abusive brothers. >:-<
Your story is tragic and I sympathize with your suffering, but have to disagree with your contention that Penthouse, Playboy or any other magazine is responsible. I further see nothing wrong with my desire to tell the men and women who read this magazine about a potentially useful therapy for PTSD and other problems. Why would you deny anyone who has suffered trauma a possible pathway to recover? Lisa
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