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"pugsley" <pugsley_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:B%2rc.3227$2v1.4489@nasal.pacific.net.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:Vg2rc.17129$UH.3885@bignews2.bellsouth.net… > > "Marutchi" <marut…@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:rnbpa0tt9i362cruvbqi7gdsbedjjs83ie@4ax.com… > > > On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:05:45 -0400, "tinydancer" > > > <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote: > > > >"Mickey Maschke" <mickeymasc…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > > >news:JB1rc.15942$zO3.3089@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > > >> I’m sorry to hear of the trouble going on here with trolls. I am > coming > > in > > > >> the middle of this thing. All I can say is that in the support group > > that > > > >> I’ve started there is a ban feature to the group so that I can ban > > people > > > >if > > > >> necessary. I’m not worried that much about that however. For the most > > > >part, > > > >> from what I have seen, thus far, the conversations seem to be going > > okay. > > > >The only reason the conversations here are ‘going okay’ right now, is > > > >because the target of peter and pugsley’s wrath, Peter Lucas, is on > > > >vacation. Peter Lucas, had been a regular here for some time, well > over > > a > > > >year. The other peter and pugsley, along with some of their > ‘associates’ > > > >from alt.ozdebate, decided one day to come here and invade our group > > because > > > >they have a ‘dispute’ with Peter Lucas. They were asked MANY times to > > > >knock it off here, take it elsewhere, leave us out of it, and just > plain > > GO > > > >AWAY. Their only reply to the rest of us was ‘get used to it because > as > > > >long as peter lucas posts here, they will stalk him.’ It didn’t matter > > to > > > >them that they were disrupting a long-standing support group. If you > > want > > > >’em, you can have ‘em, but they won’t come to your group because their > > only > > > >mission is to stalk peter lucas. We too can take our serious > discussions > > to > > > >a private place. We hang around here so that newcomers and lurkers can > > get > > > >the help and support they so desperatly need. But the regulars don’t > > > >interact with the TROLLS, it only feeds them. > > > >best to you, > > > >td > > > Is lying part of your treatment? > > > No one is stalking Lucas. A couple of misguided people may have tried > > > to warn certain members of your group on how Lucas is a trouble maker. > > Ah, another member of the peanut gallery heard from. Just proves my > point, > > when the trolls are told to leave us alone, they go straight to oz to call > > up reinforcements once again. No one even knew ‘oz’ existed before your > > invasion here. You ‘warned’ us that a regular poster we’d never had any > > trouble with here, was a trouble-maker. Sort of ironic, isn’t it, and > quite > > hypocritical to say the least. A whole battalion of TROUBLE MAKERS storm > > into a functioning support group, to warn us against someone *we’d* not > had > > a bit of trouble with. And warned us and warned us and warned us, until > > finally even the lurkers here came out of the shadows to tell you all to > > piss off. > td, don’t you want this encourage membership to this group? > More members means more life stories…..more change to learn. > pugs
Members who come here to cause disruption, NO. We take our ‘talk’ elsewhere when that happens, so you see, all you’ve done is harm to the newcomers and lurkers. I hope they appreciate that and thank you for it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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"pugsley" <pugsley_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:x%2rc.3224$2v1.4479@nasal.pacific.net.au… > "tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:%t0rc.8927$YB6.6231@bignews3.bellsouth.net… > > "Peter" <wav…@the.fans> wrote in message > > news:MPG.1b16e041437d6a1a989833@news-server…
snipped> > – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Nobody asked you troll-boy. In fact, the only thing you *were asked*, > along > > with pugsley, numerous times, was to take argument with Peter Lucas > > elsewhere, of which you refused. You and pugsley EARNED your reputations > > here as TROLLS. > > PETER AND PUGSLEY are from alt.ozdebate and are TROLLS in > > alt.support.trauma-ptsd. The REGULARS here don’t reply to them, ignore > > them, know them for their true purpose here, to DISRUPT this group and > > it’s regular posters. > > td > I’m not going to argue with you td, nor am I going attack your friend > (Lucas) again. > I am not going to try and disrupt this group either. > What I share about myself in here is the truth. > Like I Identify with some of the new members. > As for peter Mackay, I haven’t met him and there is no secret plan between > Mackay and I to disrupt this group. > Besides it would be stupid for me to do that. I have too much to lose. There > are now laws in Australia about cyberspace stalking. > I correspond with peter Mackay in a couple of other groups, that is all > there is to it. > Pugs
Ya know what pugs, if you’d come here in peace you would have been accepted just as anyone else who ventures in looking for support is. But you didn’t. Your sole purpose in coming here was to stalk Peter Lucas. But the real telling point was "when you were asked to stop it" "asked by numerous regular posters here" you didn’t. It was pointed out to all of you that this was a SUPPORT GROUP, but that didn’t seem to matter to you and yours. You continued your disruption of the group. You can post here all you want. People come and people go from this group, but there is a core group of posters who’ve been trying to assist newcomers for years now, and I doubt very much they will ever trust anything you have to say here. Many of us have long-standing relationships with each other, email, talk on the phone, have developed true friendships. This group has never been about dissent until your crew arrived. One thing about PTSD survivors, trust is and always has been an issue with us. You not only didn’t earn our trust, you betrayed us and continue to do so. td – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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"tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%t0rc.8927$YB6.6231@bignews3.bellsouth.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Peter" <wav…@the.fans> wrote in message > news:MPG.1b16e041437d6a1a989833@news-server… > > In article <2dWqc.1112$Sc….@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, > > tinydan…@nowhere.com says… > > > So let me see, you claim to suffer from PTSD, yet when you were asked by > > > many posters and even some lurkers here to knock off the crap, told you > were > > > upsetting them, distressing them, that meant absolutely nothing to you. > You > > > continued to post your crap here, unabated, in a group with ’support’ in > the > > > title… > > <snip more in the same vein> > > Uh, td, THIS is a group with "support" in the title, and you are being > > anything but supportive. In fact you aren’t being very sensitive at all, > > because it looks like you are doing exactly what you accuse others of. > > Please take the time to reflect before you post and if you need help and > > support, you have only to ask for it. > Nobody asked you troll-boy. In fact, the only thing you *were asked*, along > with pugsley, numerous times, was to take argument with Peter Lucas > elsewhere, of which you refused. You and pugsley EARNED your reputations > here as TROLLS. > PETER AND PUGSLEY are from alt.ozdebate and are TROLLS in > alt.support.trauma-ptsd. The REGULARS here don’t reply to them, ignore > them, know them for their true purpose here, to DISRUPT this group and > it’s regular posters. > td
I’m not going to argue with you td, nor am I going attack your friend (Lucas) again. I am not going to try and disrupt this group either. What I share about myself in here is the truth. Like I Identify with some of the new members. As for peter Mackay, I haven’t met him and there is no secret plan between Mackay and I to disrupt this group. Besides it would be stupid for me to do that. I have too much to lose. There are now laws in Australia about cyberspace stalking. I correspond with peter Mackay in a couple of other groups, that is all there is to it. Pugs
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"tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Vg2rc.17129$UH.3885@bignews2.bellsouth.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Marutchi" <marut…@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > news:rnbpa0tt9i362cruvbqi7gdsbedjjs83ie@4ax.com… > > On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:05:45 -0400, "tinydancer" > > <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote: > > >"Mickey Maschke" <mickeymasc…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > >news:JB1rc.15942$zO3.3089@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > >> I’m sorry to hear of the trouble going on here with trolls. I am coming > in > > >> the middle of this thing. All I can say is that in the support group > that > > >> I’ve started there is a ban feature to the group so that I can ban > people > > >if > > >> necessary. I’m not worried that much about that however. For the most > > >part, > > >> from what I have seen, thus far, the conversations seem to be going > okay. > > >The only reason the conversations here are ‘going okay’ right now, is > > >because the target of peter and pugsley’s wrath, Peter Lucas, is on > > >vacation. Peter Lucas, had been a regular here for some time, well over > a > > >year. The other peter and pugsley, along with some of their ‘associates’ > > >from alt.ozdebate, decided one day to come here and invade our group > because > > >they have a ‘dispute’ with Peter Lucas. They were asked MANY times to > > >knock it off here, take it elsewhere, leave us out of it, and just plain > GO > > >AWAY. Their only reply to the rest of us was ‘get used to it because as > > >long as peter lucas posts here, they will stalk him.’ It didn’t matter > to > > >them that they were disrupting a long-standing support group. If you > want > > >’em, you can have ‘em, but they won’t come to your group because their > only > > >mission is to stalk peter lucas. We too can take our serious discussions > to > > >a private place. We hang around here so that newcomers and lurkers can > get > > >the help and support they so desperatly need. But the regulars don’t > > >interact with the TROLLS, it only feeds them. > > >best to you, > > >td > > Is lying part of your treatment? > > No one is stalking Lucas. A couple of misguided people may have tried > > to warn certain members of your group on how Lucas is a trouble maker. > Ah, another member of the peanut gallery heard from. Just proves my point, > when the trolls are told to leave us alone, they go straight to oz to call > up reinforcements once again. No one even knew ‘oz’ existed before your > invasion here. You ‘warned’ us that a regular poster we’d never had any > trouble with here, was a trouble-maker. Sort of ironic, isn’t it, and quite > hypocritical to say the least. A whole battalion of TROUBLE MAKERS storm > into a functioning support group, to warn us against someone *we’d* not had > a bit of trouble with. And warned us and warned us and warned us, until > finally even the lurkers here came out of the shadows to tell you all to > piss off.
td, don’t you want this encourage membership to this group? More members means more life stories…..more change to learn. pugs
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I’m sorry td for the troubles that you went through in finding a good therapist. I’m glad that you finally found one. Good on you for that. A good marriage is one that takes a lot of work. You have been together a long time. That’s great. My wife and I have been together now for ten years and counting. We’re really happy. I wish you and your husband well as I do to Mike. I hope you all find peace and happiness in the new year. — Take care and be well always … Mickey Maschke The Moon List: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/themoonlist/ My Personal Web Site: http://windgate.info/ "tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%eTqc.5816$l%4.4989@bignews4.bellsouth.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Mike" <morrison_…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:a1da2831.0405191455.7099a8a7@posting.google.com… > > It totally destroyed my marriage. We were together over 20 > > years, married for twelve. She just didn’t understand my > > symptoms – hypervigilance, insomnia, deep depression. anxiety. > > Either did I. Poor – very poor – treatment didn’t help either. > > It didn’t help that when I was at my worst she didn’t > > come with me to the dr. > > We are separated and I am always sad. > > This was after an auto accident where I was broadsided by some careless > > asshole who ran a red light. > > m > Sorry to hear that Mike. A good therapist is a must. The first one I had > nearly caused us a divorce. The few times my husband went with me to a > session, we came out so hostile to each other, it’s amazing we made it. > Finally my husband told me "I’m not going back to see this guy again, if you > want to see him, that’s your choice, but I don’t want to talk to him again. > I think if we keeping talking to him, we’ll either divorce or kill each > other." Everything this therapist said and did was so counter-productive to > our well-being as a couple. I quit therapy for a year, my condition > deteriorated significantly. I finally realized ‘yes I needed therapy, but I > needed a different therapist to try with again.’ I was surprised my husband > agreed to see the ‘new guy’ with me, after I’d been seeing him for awhile. > I told dh, ‘this guy is way different from the last one.’ So he came to a > session with me. And when ever we go together now, we always come out arm > in arm. We have a long time commitment to each other, dh and I. We’ve been > married since I was 18 yrs. old. > Is there any chance the separation can be worked on Mike? I hope you are > recovered from you physical injuries due to the accident? Would it be > possible to talk with your wife, now that you’ve found our group? Perhaps > discussing how common marital problems are with PTSD, and how helpful and > important it is to have some couples sessions? > best, > td > > richardj…@hotmail.com (jgd1128) wrote in message > <news:171daf58.0405180918.199177dd@posting.google.com>… > > > Happy Tuesday all 
> > > How do spouses fit into the mix of healing? My husband and I are > > > having a terrible time coping. The closeness has died. My doctor says > > > it’s because of the PTSD. How long does it take to get over this and > > > how did you overcome it. > > > Any advice would help > > > thanks > > > rj
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"Mickey Maschke" <mickeymasc…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:JB1rc.15942$zO3.3089@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… > I’m sorry to hear of the trouble going on here with trolls. I am coming in > the middle of this thing. All I can say is that in the support group that > I’ve started there is a ban feature to the group so that I can ban people if > necessary. I’m not worried that much about that however. For the most part, > from what I have seen, thus far, the conversations seem to be going okay.
The only reason the conversations here are ‘going okay’ right now, is because the target of peter and pugsley’s wrath, Peter Lucas, is on vacation. Peter Lucas, had been a regular here for some time, well over a year. The other peter and pugsley, along with some of their ‘associates’ from alt.ozdebate, decided one day to come here and invade our group because they have a ‘dispute’ with Peter Lucas. They were asked MANY times to knock it off here, take it elsewhere, leave us out of it, and just plain GO AWAY. Their only reply to the rest of us was ‘get used to it because as long as peter lucas posts here, they will stalk him.’ It didn’t matter to them that they were disrupting a long-standing support group. If you want ‘em, you can have ‘em, but they won’t come to your group because their only mission is to stalk peter lucas. We too can take our serious discussions to a private place. We hang around here so that newcomers and lurkers can get the help and support they so desperatly need. But the regulars don’t interact with the TROLLS, it only feeds them. best to you, td – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m sorry for the dispute that is going on, and I’m sorry if I had any part > in causing it. > And anyone who wants to join The Moon List can join it. It’s open to the > public. > — > Take care and be well always … > Mickey Maschke > The Moon List: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/themoonlist/ > My Personal Web Site: http://windgate.info/ > "tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:%t0rc.8927$YB6.6231@bignews3.bellsouth.net… > > "Peter" <wav…@the.fans> wrote in message > > news:MPG.1b16e041437d6a1a989833@news-server… > > > In article <2dWqc.1112$Sc….@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, > > > tinydan…@nowhere.com says… > > > > So let me see, you claim to suffer from PTSD, yet when you were asked > by > > > > many posters and even some lurkers here to knock off the crap, told > you > > were > > > > upsetting them, distressing them, that meant absolutely nothing to > you. > > You > > > > continued to post your crap here, unabated, in a group with ’support’ > in > > the > > > > title… > > > <snip more in the same vein> > > > Uh, td, THIS is a group with "support" in the title, and you are being > > > anything but supportive. In fact you aren’t being very sensitive at all, > > > because it looks like you are doing exactly what you accuse others of. > > > Please take the time to reflect before you post and if you need help and > > > support, you have only to ask for it. > > Nobody asked you troll-boy. In fact, the only thing you *were asked*, > along > > with pugsley, numerous times, was to take argument with Peter Lucas > > elsewhere, of which you refused. You and pugsley EARNED your reputations > > here as TROLLS. > > PETER AND PUGSLEY are from alt.ozdebate and are TROLLS in > > alt.support.trauma-ptsd. The REGULARS here don’t reply to them, ignore > > them, know them for their true purpose here, to DISRUPT this group and > > it’s regular posters. > > td
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Thank you Mickey, I wish the same for you and your wife. PTSD, or any mental disorder, can be very hard on those around us. I think it takes a special commitment, a special bond, to keep you together. It involves a lot of work and understanding on the part of your partner and yourself. But once you attain that level, life at home becomes much easier because the two of you are working together, rather than at odds with each other. We here are at all levels of treatment/recovery, and most posters have commented that ‘it’s good to hear there is hope at the end of the long dark tunnel’ of recovery. It’s good to hear from folks who’ve ‘been there, done that’ and truly understand. I too take medication to treat my Major Depression/PTSD/DID diagnosis and have found that, for me, sleep medication has been a great help with the nightmares and night terrors. It’s hard enough to go through the days and nights, but trying to do it without any rest was so much harder. I’m on zoloft, xanax, and ambien. The combination works for me. But it was a long road to find the right combinations of medication in the proper dosages. I wish you and your wife the very best, glad to see you’ve found a life-partner. td "Mickey Maschke" <mickeymasc…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:5F1rc.15947$zO3.3454@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m sorry td for the troubles that you went through in finding a good > therapist. I’m glad that you finally found one. Good on you for that. A good > marriage is one that takes a lot of work. You have been together a long > time. That’s great. My wife and I have been together now for ten years and > counting. We’re really happy. I wish you and your husband well as I do to > Mike. I hope you all find peace and happiness in the new year. > — > Take care and be well always … > Mickey Maschke > The Moon List: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/themoonlist/ > My Personal Web Site: http://windgate.info/ > "tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:%eTqc.5816$l%4.4989@bignews4.bellsouth.net… > > "Mike" <morrison_…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:a1da2831.0405191455.7099a8a7@posting.google.com… > > > It totally destroyed my marriage. We were together over 20 > > > years, married for twelve. She just didn’t understand my > > > symptoms – hypervigilance, insomnia, deep depression. anxiety. > > > Either did I. Poor – very poor – treatment didn’t help either. > > > It didn’t help that when I was at my worst she didn’t > > > come with me to the dr. > > > We are separated and I am always sad. > > > This was after an auto accident where I was broadsided by some careless > > > asshole who ran a red light. > > > m > > Sorry to hear that Mike. A good therapist is a must. The first one I had > > nearly caused us a divorce. The few times my husband went with me to a > > session, we came out so hostile to each other, it’s amazing we made it. > > Finally my husband told me "I’m not going back to see this guy again, if > you > > want to see him, that’s your choice, but I don’t want to talk to him > again. > > I think if we keeping talking to him, we’ll either divorce or kill each > > other." Everything this therapist said and did was so counter-productive > to > > our well-being as a couple. I quit therapy for a year, my condition > > deteriorated significantly. I finally realized ‘yes I needed therapy, but > I > > needed a different therapist to try with again.’ I was surprised my > husband > > agreed to see the ‘new guy’ with me, after I’d been seeing him for awhile. > > I told dh, ‘this guy is way different from the last one.’ So he came to a > > session with me. And when ever we go together now, we always come out arm > > in arm. We have a long time commitment to each other, dh and I. We’ve > been > > married since I was 18 yrs. old. > > Is there any chance the separation can be worked on Mike? I hope you are > > recovered from you physical injuries due to the accident? Would it be > > possible to talk with your wife, now that you’ve found our group? Perhaps > > discussing how common marital problems are with PTSD, and how helpful and > > important it is to have some couples sessions? > > best, > > td > > > richardj…@hotmail.com (jgd1128) wrote in message > > <news:171daf58.0405180918.199177dd@posting.google.com>… > > > > Happy Tuesday all > > > > How do spouses fit into the mix of healing? My husband and I are > > > > having a terrible time coping. The closeness has died. My doctor says > > > > it’s because of the PTSD. How long does it take to get over this and > > > > how did you overcome it. > > > > Any advice would help > > > > thanks > > > > rj
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"Marutchi" <marut…@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rnbpa0tt9i362cruvbqi7gdsbedjjs83ie@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:05:45 -0400, "tinydancer" > <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote: > >"Mickey Maschke" <mickeymasc…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > >news:JB1rc.15942$zO3.3089@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… > >> I’m sorry to hear of the trouble going on here with trolls. I am coming in > >> the middle of this thing. All I can say is that in the support group that > >> I’ve started there is a ban feature to the group so that I can ban people > >if > >> necessary. I’m not worried that much about that however. For the most > >part, > >> from what I have seen, thus far, the conversations seem to be going okay. > >The only reason the conversations here are ‘going okay’ right now, is > >because the target of peter and pugsley’s wrath, Peter Lucas, is on > >vacation. Peter Lucas, had been a regular here for some time, well over a > >year. The other peter and pugsley, along with some of their ‘associates’ > >from alt.ozdebate, decided one day to come here and invade our group because > >they have a ‘dispute’ with Peter Lucas. They were asked MANY times to > >knock it off here, take it elsewhere, leave us out of it, and just plain GO > >AWAY. Their only reply to the rest of us was ‘get used to it because as > >long as peter lucas posts here, they will stalk him.’ It didn’t matter to > >them that they were disrupting a long-standing support group. If you want > >’em, you can have ‘em, but they won’t come to your group because their only > >mission is to stalk peter lucas. We too can take our serious discussions to > >a private place. We hang around here so that newcomers and lurkers can get > >the help and support they so desperatly need. But the regulars don’t > >interact with the TROLLS, it only feeds them. > >best to you, > >td > Is lying part of your treatment? > No one is stalking Lucas. A couple of misguided people may have tried > to warn certain members of your group on how Lucas is a trouble maker.
Ah, another member of the peanut gallery heard from. Just proves my point, when the trolls are told to leave us alone, they go straight to oz to call up reinforcements once again. No one even knew ‘oz’ existed before your invasion here. You ‘warned’ us that a regular poster we’d never had any trouble with here, was a trouble-maker. Sort of ironic, isn’t it, and quite hypocritical to say the least. A whole battalion of TROUBLE MAKERS storm into a functioning support group, to warn us against someone *we’d* not had a bit of trouble with. And warned us and warned us and warned us, until finally even the lurkers here came out of the shadows to tell you all to piss off.
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"Peter" <wav…@the.fans> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b16e041437d6a1a989833@news-server… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <2dWqc.1112$Sc….@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, > tinydan…@nowhere.com says… > > So let me see, you claim to suffer from PTSD, yet when you were asked by > > many posters and even some lurkers here to knock off the crap, told you were > > upsetting them, distressing them, that meant absolutely nothing to you. You > > continued to post your crap here, unabated, in a group with ’support’ in the > > title… > <snip more in the same vein> > Uh, td, THIS is a group with "support" in the title, and you are being > anything but supportive. In fact you aren’t being very sensitive at all, > because it looks like you are doing exactly what you accuse others of. > Please take the time to reflect before you post and if you need help and > support, you have only to ask for it.
Nobody asked you troll-boy. In fact, the only thing you *were asked*, along with pugsley, numerous times, was to take argument with Peter Lucas elsewhere, of which you refused. You and pugsley EARNED your reputations here as TROLLS. PETER AND PUGSLEY are from alt.ozdebate and are TROLLS in alt.support.trauma-ptsd. The REGULARS here don’t reply to them, ignore them, know them for their true purpose here, to DISRUPT this group and it’s regular posters. td
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Right. I get daymares, nightmares, death dreams, and all sorts of stuff popping everyday. I know what you mean. I take three meds to control my PTSD and other illnesses, and then I take one med for my cholesterol, and something for my breathing problem. I never thought I would end up being this dependent on meds in my life. But here I am. LOL. — Take care and be well always … Mickey Maschke The Moon List: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/themoonlist/ My Personal Web Site: http://windgate.info/ "pugsley" <pugsley_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:caWqc.2474$2v1.3901@nasal.pacific.net.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:Y2Tqc.5600$YB6.1538@bignews3.bellsouth.net… > > "Mickey Maschke" <mickeymasc…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:zUSqc.21792$KE6.5191@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > snipped>:L > > . If you need a friend, I’m learning that this group is a good place to > > > be. > > Just so long as you don’t feed the trolls. If you feed ‘em, ya gotta take > > ‘em home. Once their ‘prey’ gets back from his holiday, you’ll see what I > > mean. > > td > > Troll list: > > Peter > > pugsley aka ‘pugs’ > I have to admit I was outraged when I read in here that Peter Lucas claimed > to suffer from PSTD. > Although I still believe he has an ulterior motive for claiming to have > PSTD, I have dismissed him from my mind. > However I reinstate that I’m glad he blazed the trail to here. > You see before posting here I was under the impression that only battle > fatigued soldiers suffered PTSD. > As I was in an almost constant state of panic for twenty years I abused > alcohol, tranquilizers, and hoping to escape panic attacks, I went to work > in remote places. > I have to say, though it doesn’t really matter now, through this group I > found that I had suffered PTSD. > Although my life has turned around, I still experience some of the symptoms, > like nightmares & flashbacks. > pugs
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I’m sorry to hear of the trouble going on here with trolls. I am coming in the middle of this thing. All I can say is that in the support group that I’ve started there is a ban feature to the group so that I can ban people if necessary. I’m not worried that much about that however. For the most part, from what I have seen, thus far, the conversations seem to be going okay. I’m sorry for the dispute that is going on, and I’m sorry if I had any part in causing it. And anyone who wants to join The Moon List can join it. It’s open to the public. — Take care and be well always … Mickey Maschke The Moon List: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/themoonlist/ My Personal Web Site: http://windgate.info/ "tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%t0rc.8927$YB6.6231@bignews3.bellsouth.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Peter" <wav…@the.fans> wrote in message > news:MPG.1b16e041437d6a1a989833@news-server… > > In article <2dWqc.1112$Sc….@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, > > tinydan…@nowhere.com says… > > > So let me see, you claim to suffer from PTSD, yet when you were asked by > > > many posters and even some lurkers here to knock off the crap, told you > were > > > upsetting them, distressing them, that meant absolutely nothing to you. > You > > > continued to post your crap here, unabated, in a group with ’support’ in > the > > > title… > > <snip more in the same vein> > > Uh, td, THIS is a group with "support" in the title, and you are being > > anything but supportive. In fact you aren’t being very sensitive at all, > > because it looks like you are doing exactly what you accuse others of. > > Please take the time to reflect before you post and if you need help and > > support, you have only to ask for it. > Nobody asked you troll-boy. In fact, the only thing you *were asked*, along > with pugsley, numerous times, was to take argument with Peter Lucas > elsewhere, of which you refused. You and pugsley EARNED your reputations > here as TROLLS. > PETER AND PUGSLEY are from alt.ozdebate and are TROLLS in > alt.support.trauma-ptsd. The REGULARS here don’t reply to them, ignore > them, know them for their true purpose here, to DISRUPT this group and > it’s regular posters. > td
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"tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Y2Tqc.5600$YB6.1538@bignews3.bellsouth.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Mickey Maschke" <mickeymasc…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:zUSqc.21792$KE6.5191@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net… > snipped>:L > . If you need a friend, I’m learning that this group is a good place to > > be. > Just so long as you don’t feed the trolls. If you feed ‘em, ya gotta take > ‘em home. Once their ‘prey’ gets back from his holiday, you’ll see what I > mean. > td > Troll list: > Peter > pugsley aka ‘pugs’
I have to admit I was outraged when I read in here that Peter Lucas claimed to suffer from PSTD. Although I still believe he has an ulterior motive for claiming to have PSTD, I have dismissed him from my mind. However I reinstate that I’m glad he blazed the trail to here. You see before posting here I was under the impression that only battle fatigued soldiers suffered PTSD. As I was in an almost constant state of panic for twenty years I abused alcohol, tranquilizers, and hoping to escape panic attacks, I went to work in remote places. I have to say, though it doesn’t really matter now, through this group I found that I had suffered PTSD. Although my life has turned around, I still experience some of the symptoms, like nightmares & flashbacks. pugs
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"pugsley" <pugsley_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:caWqc.2474$2v1.3901@nasal.pacific.net.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:Y2Tqc.5600$YB6.1538@bignews3.bellsouth.net… > > "Mickey Maschke" <mickeymasc…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:zUSqc.21792$KE6.5191@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > snipped>:L > > . If you need a friend, I’m learning that this group is a good place to > > > be. > > Just so long as you don’t feed the trolls. If you feed ‘em, ya gotta take > > ‘em home. Once their ‘prey’ gets back from his holiday, you’ll see what I > > mean. > > td > > Troll list: > > Peter > > pugsley aka ‘pugs’ > I have to admit I was outraged when I read in here that Peter Lucas claimed > to suffer from PSTD. > Although I still believe he has an ulterior motive for claiming to have > PSTD, I have dismissed him from my mind. > However I reinstate that I’m glad he blazed the trail to here. > You see before posting here I was under the impression that only battle > fatigued soldiers suffered PTSD. > As I was in an almost constant state of panic for twenty years I abused > alcohol, tranquilizers, and hoping to escape panic attacks, I went to work > in remote places. > I have to say, though it doesn’t really matter now, through this group I > found that I had suffered PTSD. > Although my life has turned around, I still experience some of the symptoms, > like nightmares & flashbacks. > pugs
So let me see, you claim to suffer from PTSD, yet when you were asked by many posters and even some lurkers here to knock off the crap, told you were upsetting them, distressing them, that meant absolutely nothing to you. You continued to post your crap here, unabated, in a group with ’support’ in the title, and besides that, you took posts over to oz, made snide remarks about us there. Yeah, you’re a real PTSD sufferer alright. Did you also happen to notice that when you or your buddy post here, nobody else, none of the other regulars post? You are like the plague. Tell ya what, go on over to Mickey’s group and join up. Let them listen to your lies. Disrupt their lives for awhile. Stir up shit with their PTSD group. See how much they like you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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In article <2dWqc.1112$Sc….@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, tinydan…@nowhere.com says… > So let me see, you claim to suffer from PTSD, yet when you were asked by > many posters and even some lurkers here to knock off the crap, told you were > upsetting them, distressing them, that meant absolutely nothing to you. You > continued to post your crap here, unabated, in a group with ’support’ in the > title…
<snip more in the same vein> Uh, td, THIS is a group with "support" in the title, and you are being anything but supportive. In fact you aren’t being very sensitive at all, because it looks like you are doing exactly what you accuse others of. Please take the time to reflect before you post and if you need help and support, you have only to ask for it.
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I’m sorry M. I’m really sorry that things didn’t work out for you. It sounds like you really need a good woman to stand by you. That’s what I found. But what I haven’t said is that it took me five marriages to find my wife, and it took me years and years of searching. We’ve been married now for ten years, and are happy. You will find someone. We all do at some point in our lives. If you need a friend, I’m learning that this group is a good place to be. — Take care and be well always … Mickey Maschke The Moon List: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/themoonlist/ My Personal Web Site: http://windgate.info/ "Mike" <morrison_…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a1da2831.0405191455.7099a8a7@posting.google.com… > It totally destroyed my marriage. We were together over 20 > years, married for twelve. She just didn’t understand my > symptoms – hypervigilance, insomnia, deep depression. anxiety. > Either did I. Poor – very poor – treatment didn’t help either. > It didn’t help that when I was at my worst she didn’t > come with me to the dr. > We are separated and I am always sad. > This was after an auto accident where I was broadsided by some careless > asshole who ran a red light. > m > richardj…@hotmail.com (jgd1128) wrote in message
<news:171daf58.0405180918.199177dd@posting.google.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Happy Tuesday all > > How do spouses fit into the mix of healing? My husband and I are > > having a terrible time coping. The closeness has died. My doctor says > > it’s because of the PTSD. How long does it take to get over this and > > how did you overcome it. > > Any advice would help > > thanks > > rj
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"Mickey Maschke" <mickeymasc…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:zUSqc.21792$KE6.5191@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net… snipped>:L . If you need a friend, I’m learning that this group is a good place to > be.
Just so long as you don’t feed the trolls. If you feed ‘em, ya gotta take ‘em home. Once their ‘prey’ gets back from his holiday, you’ll see what I mean. td Troll list: Peter pugsley aka ‘pugs’
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"Mike" <morrison_…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a1da2831.0405191455.7099a8a7@posting.google.com… > It totally destroyed my marriage. We were together over 20 > years, married for twelve. She just didn’t understand my > symptoms – hypervigilance, insomnia, deep depression. anxiety. > Either did I. Poor – very poor – treatment didn’t help either. > It didn’t help that when I was at my worst she didn’t > come with me to the dr. > We are separated and I am always sad. > This was after an auto accident where I was broadsided by some careless > asshole who ran a red light. > m
Sorry to hear that Mike. A good therapist is a must. The first one I had nearly caused us a divorce. The few times my husband went with me to a session, we came out so hostile to each other, it’s amazing we made it. Finally my husband told me "I’m not going back to see this guy again, if you want to see him, that’s your choice, but I don’t want to talk to him again. I think if we keeping talking to him, we’ll either divorce or kill each other." Everything this therapist said and did was so counter-productive to our well-being as a couple. I quit therapy for a year, my condition deteriorated significantly. I finally realized ‘yes I needed therapy, but I needed a different therapist to try with again.’ I was surprised my husband agreed to see the ‘new guy’ with me, after I’d been seeing him for awhile. I told dh, ‘this guy is way different from the last one.’ So he came to a session with me. And when ever we go together now, we always come out arm in arm. We have a long time commitment to each other, dh and I. We’ve been married since I was 18 yrs. old. Is there any chance the separation can be worked on Mike? I hope you are recovered from you physical injuries due to the accident? Would it be possible to talk with your wife, now that you’ve found our group? Perhaps discussing how common marital problems are with PTSD, and how helpful and important it is to have some couples sessions? best, td > richardj…@hotmail.com (jgd1128) wrote in message
<news:171daf58.0405180918.199177dd@posting.google.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Happy Tuesday all > > How do spouses fit into the mix of healing? My husband and I are > > having a terrible time coping. The closeness has died. My doctor says > > it’s because of the PTSD. How long does it take to get over this and > > how did you overcome it. > > Any advice would help > > thanks > > rj
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"jgd1128" <richardj…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:171daf58.0405180918.199177dd@posting.google.com… > Happy Tuesday all > How do spouses fit into the mix of healing? My husband and I are > having a terrible time coping. The closeness has died. My doctor says > it’s because of the PTSD. How long does it take to get over this and > how did you overcome it. > Any advice would help > thanks > rj
It helped a great deal for my husband to attend some of my therapy sessions with me. My therapist is very good at helping dh to understand what’s going on with me, and giving him advice, tips, etc., on what to say, how to help, and that it’s not up to dh to ‘fix me’. And that sometimes it’s best to just listen to me, a sort of validation, and then hold me close. Once we began ‘working together’ on this, dh and me, things improved quite dramatically. When ever I hit a spot where therapist or I think it might be a good idea once again, I take dh in for a ‘tune up’ session. ;-) It works for us, and we’ve been happily married for well over 30 years now. Our sex life is quite good. :) td
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Glad to hear that. My wife does somewhat the same thing. She feeds information to my therapist and that helps him know better how to handle me and what’s going on with me. But I’m the one that’s in therapy, she just puts in her perspective. We still have sex, just not quite as often. We’ve been happily married though for 10 years and counting. Take care and be well always … Mickey "tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:i6sqc.1126$YB6.139@bignews3.bellsouth.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "jgd1128" <richardj…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:171daf58.0405180918.199177dd@posting.google.com… > > Happy Tuesday all > > How do spouses fit into the mix of healing? My husband and I are > > having a terrible time coping. The closeness has died. My doctor says > > it’s because of the PTSD. How long does it take to get over this and > > how did you overcome it. > > Any advice would help > > thanks > > rj > It helped a great deal for my husband to attend some of my therapy sessions > with me. My therapist is very good at helping dh to understand what’s going > on with me, and giving him advice, tips, etc., on what to say, how to help, > and that it’s not up to dh to ‘fix me’. And that sometimes it’s best to > just listen to me, a sort of validation, and then hold me close. Once we > began ‘working together’ on this, dh and me, things improved quite > dramatically. When ever I hit a spot where therapist or I think it might be > a good idea once again, I take dh in for a ‘tune up’ session. ;-) It > works for us, and we’ve been happily married for well over 30 years now. > Our sex life is quite good. :) > td
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"jgd1128" <richardj…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:171daf58.0405180918.199177dd@posting.google.com… > Happy Tuesday all > How do spouses fit into the mix of healing? My husband and I are > having a terrible time coping. The closeness has died. My doctor says > it’s because of the PTSD. How long does it take to get over this and > how did you overcome it. > Any advice would help > thanks > rj
My wife is the very rational. She understands physical illnesses more than mental illnesses. Like she thinks that something physical has to cause mental illnesses. e.g. she understands schizophrenia because it is a physical change in the brain. As for PTSD, she doesn’t understand it at all. She is incapable of understanding how events can affect the mind. Her view is, ‘be strong and get over it.’ We will have been married for thirty years in October and I have come to understand that she is incapable of understanding mental illness. Although I love her dearly sometimes I feel very alone with my feelings. But she has not had it easy with me either. I spent long periods of time working away from home in isolated places—-I send money back, but I guess it isn’t the same. Now we are both in a transitional period. She is also a Nurse and works four nights. I work afternoons and nights. Hopefully we will come out of this wiser and stronger. I have recently found that I fear being alone at nights. I don’t mind being alone if someone is close by. Oh don’t get me wrong, my wife isn’t a hard person, in fact she is very loving and is a great mother to our adult kids and granddaughter. We have entirely different personalities—–as the old saying goes, opposites are attracted to each other. pugs
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"Mickey Maschke" <mickeymasc…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:MQrqc.13847$zO3.3627@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I are very close. We just aren’t that close sexually anymore. > I’m 53 and she’s 52. She’s going through the life change for her. And with > me, it’s the meds that I’m on that interferes with my activity. But my wife > and I cope really very well. We have arguments every now and then, but our > love is stronger than our arguments. So it’s not a problem. We’re going to > be together for the rest of our lives. You just have to decide that for > yourself. Once you do, the rest is easy. If I can be of any help, please let > me know. I have PTSD and have had it now for 20 years, plus some other stuff > going on. > Take care and be well always… > Mickey Maschke > http://windgate.info
[snip] I reckon its natural for couples to become less sexually active as they get older. Making love is more than just sex isn’t it. I’m 55 and my wife is 52. pugs
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That’s right. We snuggle a lot of the time, which is just as good as sex. We’re both slowing down a bit. And I know that I’m fighting the meds that I take to get any sex drive at all. But I have to take the meds or I’ll lose it. LOL. It’s just one of those catch 22’s. But we love each other so very much, and that’s what really counts. All I want is to die in her arms. If I get that, then I’ll be happy. — Take care and be well always … Mickey Maschke The Moon List: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/themoonlist/ ".pugsley." <pugsley_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:TvHqc.1726$2v1.3244@nasal.pacific.net.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Mickey Maschke" <mickeymasc…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:MQrqc.13847$zO3.3627@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > My wife and I are very close. We just aren’t that close sexually anymore. > > I’m 53 and she’s 52. She’s going through the life change for her. And with > > me, it’s the meds that I’m on that interferes with my activity. But my > wife > > and I cope really very well. We have arguments every now and then, but our > > love is stronger than our arguments. So it’s not a problem. We’re going to > > be together for the rest of our lives. You just have to decide that for > > yourself. Once you do, the rest is easy. If I can be of any help, please > let > > me know. I have PTSD and have had it now for 20 years, plus some other > stuff > > going on. > > Take care and be well always… > > Mickey Maschke > > http://windgate.info > [snip] > I reckon its natural for couples to become less sexually active as they get > older. > Making love is more than just sex isn’t it. > I’m 55 and my wife is 52. > pugs
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It totally destroyed my marriage. We were together over 20 years, married for twelve. She just didn’t understand my symptoms – hypervigilance, insomnia, deep depression. anxiety. Either did I. Poor – very poor – treatment didn’t help either. It didn’t help that when I was at my worst she didn’t come with me to the dr. We are separated and I am always sad. This was after an auto accident where I was broadsided by some careless asshole who ran a red light. m – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -richardj…@hotmail.com (jgd1128) wrote in message <news:171daf58.0405180918.199177dd@posting.google.com>… > Happy Tuesday all > How do spouses fit into the mix of healing? My husband and I are > having a terrible time coping. The closeness has died. My doctor says > it’s because of the PTSD. How long does it take to get over this and > how did you overcome it. > Any advice would help > thanks > rj
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Happy Tuesday all How do spouses fit into the mix of healing? My husband and I are having a terrible time coping. The closeness has died. My doctor says it’s because of the PTSD. How long does it take to get over this and how did you overcome it. Any advice would help thanks rj
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My wife and I are very close. We just aren’t that close sexually anymore. I’m 53 and she’s 52. She’s going through the life change for her. And with me, it’s the meds that I’m on that interferes with my activity. But my wife and I cope really very well. We have arguments every now and then, but our love is stronger than our arguments. So it’s not a problem. We’re going to be together for the rest of our lives. You just have to decide that for yourself. Once you do, the rest is easy. If I can be of any help, please let me know. I have PTSD and have had it now for 20 years, plus some other stuff going on. Take care and be well always… Mickey Maschke http://windgate.info "jgd1128" <richardj…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:171daf58.0405180918.199177dd@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Happy Tuesday all > How do spouses fit into the mix of healing? My husband and I are > having a terrible time coping. The closeness has died. My doctor says > it’s because of the PTSD. How long does it take to get over this and > how did you overcome it. > Any advice would help > thanks > rj
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