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Lotte, I didn’t mean to criticise Katarina’s post, and I’m really sorry if I came through that way. Fine.No problem!!:-) Unfortunately we all do not have the same body/brain chemistry!! helski
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No Problem sis Don’t feel bad, compared to what I have come up against in other ng’s, involving a whole range of topics, I didn’t really see your reply as negative criticism, but rather simply you stating your experience. You commented :- "your post may pose too much responsibility on the victim." I guess so, however the suggestions that I put forward, I don’t necessarily see as mechanisms of responsibility, but rather making life as pleasant as possible. ie music, art, being with people who in-Courage us. Also stepping away from circumstances and people which perpetuate the ‘victim’ thing is a wise choice. While having a good psychotherapist, and medication are necessary and affordable for some, I come from a place where those types of option are not easily affordable and are in other ways undesirable. Like you I also don’t have to prove myself to anyone, that often takes a lot of time and energy which I just don’t have. Knowing one’s own truth and the facts of our own cicumstance is the important thing. If the jig-saw pieces don’t fit, then for me it is best to resolve the piecess that do fit, leave the pieces where there is no sign of resolution and move on to new puzzles that are more easily managed. That is obviously not something I would recommend for everyone but it is a formula that seems to allow me to move on as best I can. Thank you for your replies sis. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"sis" <lowies.pbr…@spray.se> wrote in message <news:T3gd8.11164$O5.25455@nntpserver.swip.net>… > Dear Helena, > I didn’t mean to criticise Katarina’s post, and I’m really sorry if I came > through that way. > > I didn’t take Katerina’s post as being "do it yourself"!1 > > She wrote about things to consider and think about. > > Many of the suggestions were in fact areas notions I ahve discussed in > > therapy over the past 14 years. > > For those of us who do not tolerate the types of drugs available at the > > moment for treatment of PTSD and who are in therapy and use other > therapies > > to compliment psychotherapy ..well i like to hear about and find it most > > valuable how those of us mange on a day to day level. > > Much and most discussion here over the years has been about drug therapy > and > > people’s experiences. > >> Which of course is what I imagine most here respond best to. > >You’re absolutely right, Helena! The thought of not having the help of my > medication is almost enough to give me nightmares, and it must be terrible > to be in that spot. So far, there have been three of us here who can’t take > the med’s: If there’s anyone who really needs our support, it’s you guys. > It shows that it happens, and that you’re not alone. And there just has to > be help for you too! > > >>I don’t have to prove myself to anyone. I’ve been there, done that, and > > the > > jigsaw puzzle. And I know that there are definitely some pieces (i.e. > > hormones) missing in my puzzle, as well as social bits and pieces making > my > > life hard to live. To find them, I need psychotherapy. I don’t really > > understand the point of "doin’ it for yourself". > > Lotte I agree…too hard to do it yourself!! > > >>I have a high IQ, massive creativity, good background and some relevant > > education (studied psychology for 1 1/2 years, anthropology for 1 year at > > university) and I still wasn’t capable of finding out what my own problem > > was, and how to deal with it > >> Seems like you know yourself quite well.:-) > >Well, on rereading, it almost seems like I’m boasting…;-) > > Education about PTSD however cannot be overlooked I find it vital but then > >> that is how *I operate.I must research everything. > >Yup, me too! 
I think that’s a good side effect, don’t you? > Imagine what we could do if we put all our bags together… > > >>I lost many > > years of my life, thinking I was clever enough to deal with this shit on > my > > own. I’d prefer it, if you didn’t have to lose as many years as I have. > > Love, Lotte > > Yes a key point Lotte. > > haven’t we all.?? > > I would not be here now had it not been for my psychiatrist and my journey > > into facing and accepting PTSD . > > Take care > > helski > >You too, dear, > Lotte
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Hi Helen Thanks for being you and speaking your viewpoints here in this thread You are always a bright spot in this ng. 
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"helski" <hel…@idl.net.au> wrote in message <news:1014203086.492411@bigboy>… > Hi Lotte, > >>To some, your post may pose too much responsibility on the victim. I, for > one, feel that this " chin up, you should be able to make it by yourself" > attitude is impossible to live up to. > I know it only made my life worse. > I didn’t take Katerina’s post as being "do it yourself"!1 > She wrote about things to consider and think about. > Many of the suggestions were in fact areas notions I ahve discussed in > therapy over the past 14 years. > For those of us who do not tolerate the types of drugs available at the > moment for treatment of PTSD and who are in therapy and use other therapies > to compliment psychotherapy ..well i like to hear about and find it most > valuable how those of us mange on a day to day level. > Much and most discussion here over the years has been about drug therapy and > people’s experiences. > Which of course is what I imagine most here respond best to. > >>I don’t have to prove myself to anyone. I’ve been there, done that, and > the > jigsaw puzzle. And I know that there are definitely some pieces (i.e. > hormones) missing in my puzzle, as well as social bits and pieces making my > life hard to live. To find them, I need psychotherapy. I don’t really > understand the point of "doin’ it for yourself". > Lotte I agree…too hard to do it yourself!! > >>I have a high IQ, massive creativity, good background and some relevant > education (studied psychology for 1 1/2 years, anthropology for 1 year at > university) and I still wasn’t capable of finding out what my own problem > was, and how to deal with it > Seems like you know yourself quite well.:-) > Education about PTSD however cannot be overlooked I find it vital but then > that is how *I operate.I must research everything. > >>I lost many > years of my life, thinking I was clever enough to deal with this shit on my > own. I’d prefer it, if you didn’t have to lose as many years as I have. > Love, Lotte > Yes a key point Lotte. > haven’t we all.?? > I would not be here now had it not been for my psychiatrist and my journey > into facing and accepting PTSD . > Take care > helski
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Thank you Katarina, that’s how I read your post too. I don’t know, sometimes it seems like my words come through harder than I mean for them to do: At this NG, that’s been particularly clear. It must be confusing for English-speaking people to communicate with someone who, like me, has a lot of words, but maybe not always the fingertip feeling of how they come across. Anyway, I appreciated your post, and I think it’s really hard to realise that so many of us can’t take the medications they should need. I’m sorry it’s that way, it must be really hard. Hugs, Lotte
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Katerina…I’ve always loved that name. Thanks for kind words. You added a nice lift to my day. helski
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Dear Helena, I didn’t mean to criticise Katarina’s post, and I’m really sorry if I came through that way. > I didn’t take Katerina’s post as being "do it yourself"!1 > She wrote about things to consider and think about. > Many of the suggestions were in fact areas notions I ahve discussed in > therapy over the past 14 years. > For those of us who do not tolerate the types of drugs available at the > moment for treatment of PTSD and who are in therapy and use other therapies > to compliment psychotherapy ..well i like to hear about and find it most > valuable how those of us mange on a day to day level. > Much and most discussion here over the years has been about drug therapy and > people’s experiences. >> Which of course is what I imagine most here respond best to. >You’re absolutely right, Helena! The thought of not having the help of my
medication is almost enough to give me nightmares, and it must be terrible to be in that spot. So far, there have been three of us here who can’t take the med’s: If there’s anyone who really needs our support, it’s you guys. It shows that it happens, and that you’re not alone. And there just has to be help for you too! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >>I don’t have to prove myself to anyone. I’ve been there, done that, and > the > jigsaw puzzle. And I know that there are definitely some pieces (i.e. > hormones) missing in my puzzle, as well as social bits and pieces making my > life hard to live. To find them, I need psychotherapy. I don’t really > understand the point of "doin’ it for yourself". > Lotte I agree…too hard to do it yourself!! > >>I have a high IQ, massive creativity, good background and some relevant > education (studied psychology for 1 1/2 years, anthropology for 1 year at > university) and I still wasn’t capable of finding out what my own problem > was, and how to deal with it >> Seems like you know yourself quite well.:-) >Well, on rereading, it almost seems like I’m boasting…;-) > Education about PTSD however cannot be overlooked I find it vital but then >> that is how *I operate.I must research everything. >Yup, me too! I think that’s a good side effect, don’t you?
Imagine what we could do if we put all our bags together… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >>I lost many > years of my life, thinking I was clever enough to deal with this shit on my > own. I’d prefer it, if you didn’t have to lose as many years as I have. > Love, Lotte > Yes a key point Lotte. > haven’t we all.?? > I would not be here now had it not been for my psychiatrist and my journey > into facing and accepting PTSD . > Take care > helski >You too, dear,
Lotte
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Dear Katarina, Wendy and Helena, the advices you posted are strong and valuable. For anyone strong enough to follow them, they’re great. For the rest of us, the help of a "good witness", i.e. psychotherapist, and of medication are necessary. To some, your post may pose too much responsibility on the victim. I, for one, feel that this " chin up, you should be able to make it by yourself" attitude is impossible to live up to. I know it only made my life worse. I don’t have to prove myself to anyone. I’ve been there, done that, and the jigsaw puzzle. And I know that there are definitely some pieces (i.e. hormones) missing in my puzzle, as well as social bits and pieces making my life hard to live. To find them, I need psychotherapy. I don’t really understand the point of "doin’ it for yourself". I have a high IQ, massive creativity, good background and some relevant education (studied psychology for 1 1/2 years, anthropology for 1 year at university) and I still wasn’t capable of finding out what my own problem was, and how to deal with it. It takes a professional, IMHO. I lost many years of my life, thinking I was clever enough to deal with this shit on my own. I’d prefer it, if you didn’t have to lose as many years as I have. Love, Lotte "helski" <hel…@idl.net.au> skrev i meddelandet news:1014094462.2717@bigboy… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Katerina just wondering how long you have been trying to make it drug free? > Were anti-depress. ever an option you took? > Thanx > helski
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Hi Lotte, >>To some, your post may pose too much responsibility on the victim. I, for
one, feel that this " chin up, you should be able to make it by yourself" attitude is impossible to live up to. I know it only made my life worse. I didn’t take Katerina’s post as being "do it yourself"!1 She wrote about things to consider and think about. Many of the suggestions were in fact areas notions I ahve discussed in therapy over the past 14 years. For those of us who do not tolerate the types of drugs available at the moment for treatment of PTSD and who are in therapy and use other therapies to compliment psychotherapy ..well i like to hear about and find it most valuable how those of us mange on a day to day level. Much and most discussion here over the years has been about drug therapy and people’s experiences. Which of course is what I imagine most here respond best to. >>I don’t have to prove myself to anyone. I’ve been there, done that, and
the jigsaw puzzle. And I know that there are definitely some pieces (i.e. hormones) missing in my puzzle, as well as social bits and pieces making my life hard to live. To find them, I need psychotherapy. I don’t really understand the point of "doin’ it for yourself". Lotte I agree…too hard to do it yourself!! >>I have a high IQ, massive creativity, good background and some relevant
education (studied psychology for 1 1/2 years, anthropology for 1 year at university) and I still wasn’t capable of finding out what my own problem was, and how to deal with it Seems like you know yourself quite well.:-) Education about PTSD however cannot be overlooked I find it vital but then that is how *I operate.I must research everything. >>I lost many
years of my life, thinking I was clever enough to deal with this shit on my own. I’d prefer it, if you didn’t have to lose as many years as I have. Love, Lotte Yes a key point Lotte. haven’t we all.?? I would not be here now had it not been for my psychiatrist and my journey into facing and accepting PTSD . Take care helski
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Somehow my message got tagged onto the end of an old thread. What’s up with that? Let’s try it again… I’m curious if anyone has ever successfully gotten off of zoloft AND recovered from their PTSD drug free. I’m in the position right now to decide to give zoloft a try or attempt to make it through to the "other side" without it. I’m not a big fan of drugs but I’m really struggling with the anxiety, pain, anger and depression and I feel resigned to easing it by taking drugs, but not forever. Also, does the pain EVER go away?
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>I’m in the position right now to >decide to give zoloft a try or attempt to make it through to the >"other side" without it. I’m not a big fan of drugs but I’m really >struggling with the anxiety, pain, anger and depression and I feel >resigned to easing it by taking drugs, but not forever.
You don’t have to take the meds. It’s like having dental surgery without pain meds. It won’t kill you, but you’re going to be in a lot more pain than is necessary. It’s always your choice. I couldn’t do it without meds. Depression was sinking me and I couldn’t get anywhere until I got that more under control. Now that it is, I’m amazed at how much better my life has become. >Also, does the >pain EVER go away?
That’s only something you can figure out for yourself. Mine did/has/does. Risa My cats only let me live here because I pay the rent.
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livef…@utah-inter.net (Wendy) wrote in message <news:321faf6c.0202141910.3520fea6@posting.google.com>… > Somehow my message got tagged onto the end of an old thread. What’s up > with that? Let’s try it again…
That’s just the way Google works if the subject name has been used before – don’t worry – those of us that use Google know to go straight to the end of the thread when the first message is dated sometime in 1997 Check back there for my response…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m curious if anyone has ever successfully gotten off of zoloft AND > recovered from their PTSD drug free. I’m in the position right now to > decide to give zoloft a try or attempt to make it through to the > "other side" without it. I’m not a big fan of drugs but I’m really > struggling with the anxiety, pain, anger and depression and I feel > resigned to easing it by taking drugs, but not forever. Also, does the > pain EVER go away?
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Dear Wendy, I’ve been away for sometime, but if you check up your earlier post, there’s a fair range of "things one could say about Zoloft" there. I’ll add that although I’m sceptic to "drugs" as such, I look on these more as insulin for diabetics. They lack a hormone, and so do we. There’s nothing "drug"like whatsoever in the effect of Zoloft. Lotte
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Yes Wendy I am making it and drug free, it is possible and can be done I doubt there is complete recovery from PTSD. Some days are not so successful in terms of lacking focus and being pre-occupied. However I would rather cope with those days, using whatever mechanisms are available to me without having to resort to drugs. Some of the following ways of looking at the world can be helpful along with positive afirmations where ever you might find them, music and dance is also wonderful, physically, mentally and spiritually. maybe a lifestyle change of some sort may help, even if it is a small change, like even a new hair style or colour. Always remember you are important !!! your life is important !! You are important and special to those around you comfort and care for yourself, always insure your personal safety, look into learning about emotional self-care and avoid others who may have negative impact upon you. Understand what it is to have a strong spirit, look for people, events and activities that you enjoy which will build on your spirit. When you are hurting badly draw on behaviors and activities that make you feel better. Once again, music, art poetry can be helpful Stop and take stock. What is and isn’t working for you? What stresses you and what do you enjoy? attend to what you’d like to see more of in your life and what you’d like to accomplish or experience. Think about how want to be today and things you’d really like to do today? focus on some of your achievements Check if there is anything that’s stopping you from feeling safe and enjoying life. Above all search out that which will help you remain positive Try keep positive perspective and remember your successes, the times you attempted something new and survived. Look for people who en-COURAGE you try not to over commit yourself Many Blessings Wendy ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -livef…@utah-inter.net (Wendy) wrote in message <news:321faf6c.0202141910.3520fea6@posting.google.com>… > Somehow my message got tagged onto the end of an old thread. What’s up > with that? Let’s try it again… > I’m curious if anyone has ever successfully gotten off of zoloft AND > recovered from their PTSD drug free. I’m in the position right now to > decide to give zoloft a try or attempt to make it through to the > "other side" without it. I’m not a big fan of drugs but I’m really > struggling with the anxiety, pain, anger and depression and I feel > resigned to easing it by taking drugs, but not forever. Also, does the > pain EVER go away?
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A very good post katerina! I am no good with drugs either er well ones used for PTSD so far. I practise alot of what you wrote but as you say some days are harder than others. Stress is the hugest problem.. for me ….b/c I still try to work for financial reasons life is quite difficult 5 days out of seven. I am trying at present to cut some dead wood off .This comes in the form of being able to say no to others. take care Helski
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Katerina just wondering how long you have been trying to make it drug free? Were anti-depress. ever an option you took? Thanx helski
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"helski" <hel…@idl.net.au> wrote in message <news:1014094462.2717@bigboy>… > Katerina just wondering how long you have been trying to make it drug free?
drugs are not an option there are too many, often unkown, impacts on the physiology > Were anti-depress. ever an option you took?
never I never usually watch Oprah but I happened to be near a TV when she did did a show about post natal depression, which may be similar in many ways to PTSD. After all childbirth could certainly be considered traumatic. One of the guests talked about her post partum depression, she commented that the drugs she was prescribed made her condition worse. If there have ever been times when I have wondered whether prescription drugs may be of any personal value, then it is feedback such as that and what I have heard word of mouth which reinforces my belief that drugs are not for me. > Thanx
and thanks for replying Helski I have lurked here for a while, your comments are always welcomed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> helski
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