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I’ve been tripping over them for years. I’m a lunatic fringe magnet.
Whats the URL to your web page again Liz? ~wd
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Speaking of nuts…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ca-SHEW!!! gesundheit Hey, our nuts are Better! SpiritQuest dry roasted lightly salted message *giggle* They make our nuttier element look pretty tame, don’t they? Dragon yep. sounds like you stumbled across the lunatic fringe of the net. azure X-No-Archive: yes I figured that. I knew right away it wasn’t you. No problem here. Sorry thats happening. Please be careful reading posts supposedly from me. Someone is posting using my name and a different address. Accusations are flying that it’s Bob, but I haven’t checked it out yet. Dragon — "Lord, when we are wrong, make us willing to change. And when we are right, make us easy to live with." Peter Marshall — For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi
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Of course. Nuts are an important part of our daily life. They make excellent toppings. Nuts hold things together around the house. They must always be kept tight. (Though, I think the concept of tightening them with a wrench has a misplaced "r".) Let’s face it, wrenches are described as "open end" and "box end". Obviously, the correct word is "wench". Now, I just have to figure out what "clockwise" is all about. Nuts confuse women. I’ve had a number look me in the eye and say "Your
You need to find women who can spell *g* Or perhaps she was speaking, literally, of your nuts in which case mentioning them rather than accusing you of being one would have been more appropriate. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – but not one has been able to complete the sentence. Alternatively, I’ve heard that phrase while some were gazing at my navel, but I suspect that’s a different thread. Nuts are worthy of attention and understanding. SpiritQuest sprinkle lightly on top if desired I knew you would not be able to resist this one… Hey, our nuts are Better! SpiritQuest dry roasted lightly salted message *giggle* They make our nuttier element look pretty tame, don’t they? Dragon yep. sounds like you stumbled across the lunatic fringe of the net. azure X-No-Archive: yes I figured that. I knew right away it wasn’t you. No problem here. Sorry thats happening. Please be careful reading posts supposedly from me. Someone is posting using my name and a different address. Accusations are flying that it’s Bob, but I haven’t checked it out yet. Dragon — "Lord, when we are wrong, make us willing to change. And when we are right, make us easy to live with." Peter Marshall — For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi
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Nuts confuse women. I’ve had a number look me in the eye and say "Your You need to find women who can spell *g* Or perhaps she was speaking, literally, of your nuts in which case mentioning them rather than accusing you of being one would have been more appropriate.
I never considered spelling a vital quality in a woman. Conjugation, however…. :)} – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – but not one has been able to complete the sentence. Alternatively, I’ve heard that phrase while some were gazing at my navel, but I suspect that’s a different thread. Nuts are worthy of attention and understanding. SpiritQuest sprinkle lightly on top if desired
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Of course. Nuts are an important part of our daily life. They make excellent toppings. Nuts hold things together around the house. They must always be kept tight. (Though, I think the concept of tightening them with a wrench has a misplaced "r".) Let’s face it, wrenches are described as "open end" and "box end". Obviously, the correct word is "wench". Now, I just have to figure out what "clockwise" is all about. Nuts confuse women. I’ve had a number look me in the eye and say "Your Alternatively, I’ve heard that phrase while some were gazing at my navel, but I suspect that’s a different thread. Nuts are worthy of attention and understanding. SpiritQuest sprinkle lightly on top if desired
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I knew you would not be able to resist this one… Hey, our nuts are Better! SpiritQuest dry roasted lightly salted message *giggle* They make our nuttier element look pretty tame, don’t they? Dragon yep. sounds like you stumbled across the lunatic fringe of the net. azure X-No-Archive: yes I figured that. I knew right away it wasn’t you. No problem here. Sorry thats happening. Please be careful reading posts supposedly from me. Someone is posting using my name and a different address. Accusations are flying that it’s Bob, but I haven’t checked it out yet. Dragon — "Lord, when we are wrong, make us willing to change. And when we are right, make us easy to live with." Peter Marshall — For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi
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I knew you would not be able to resist this one… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, our nuts are Better! SpiritQuest dry roasted lightly salted *giggle* They make our nuttier element look pretty tame, don’t they? Dragon yep. sounds like you stumbled across the lunatic fringe of the net. azure X-No-Archive: yes I figured that. I knew right away it wasn’t you. No problem here. Sorry thats happening. Please be careful reading posts supposedly from me. Someone is posting using my name and a different address. Accusations are flying that it’s Bob, but I haven’t checked it out yet. Dragon — "Lord, when we are wrong, make us willing to change. And when we are right, make us easy to live with." Peter Marshall — For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi
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I’ve been tripping over them for years. I’m a lunatic fringe magnet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – yep. sounds like you stumbled across the lunatic fringe of the net. azure X-No-Archive: yes I figured that. I knew right away it wasn’t you. No problem here. Sorry thats happening. Please be careful reading posts supposedly from me. Someone is posting using my name and a different address. Accusations are flying that it’s Bob, but I haven’t checked it out yet. Dragon — "Lord, when we are wrong, make us willing to change. And when we are right, make us easy to live with." Peter Marshall — For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi
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*Laughing…nah. Our nuttier element still looks pretty nutty to me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *giggle* They make our nuttier element look pretty tame, don’t they? Dragon yep. sounds like you stumbled across the lunatic fringe of the net. azure X-No-Archive: yes I figured that. I knew right away it wasn’t you. No problem here. Sorry thats happening. Please be careful reading posts supposedly from me. Someone is posting using my name and a different address. Accusations are flying that it’s Bob, but I haven’t checked it out yet. Dragon — "Lord, when we are wrong, make us willing to change. And when we are right, make us easy to live with." Peter Marshall — For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message Please be careful reading posts supposedly from me. Someone is posting using my name and a different address. I’m really, really new here, as you know, and with all that, it’s *still* patently obvious. First post I saw that wasn’t yours, I immediately checked the headers and said to myself, "Well, I don’t know what’s up here, but someone is posting with Dragon’s name." So don’t worry. If I saw it, this early, it’s patently obvious. Thanks. Accusations are flying that it’s Bob, but I haven’t checked it out yet. Well, I hope it’s not Bob, ’cause I’m already concerned something has gone very wrong with him. But if it is…well….I hope he works out that he really does need some support, and goes to get it. I hate to say it, but something has been wrong with him all along, but there really isn’t much we can do about it. I think the new trolls probably triggered this behavior, if it’s him. I don’t see any posts where he’s posting as himself today. He may have lost his account. I know at least one other person complained, and I suspect that Steve is right about the ones who are dishing it out not being able to take it. I did realize he had some problems, but not that they ran quite so deep. I had thought he was working his way towards rational, for awhile there. Oh well. There are certainly some interesting people on the net, aren’t there? [g] Celia
There certainly are, Celia, but I think Dragon has nothing to fear. Even I, who have not been here that long, can tell the real Dragon from the fake (and nasty) one. Heidi
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I hate to say it, but something has been wrong with him all along, but there really isn’t much we can do about it. I think the new trolls probably triggered this behavior, if it’s him. I don’t see any posts where he’s posting as himself today. He may have lost his account. I know at least one other person complained, and I suspect that Steve is right about the ones who are dishing it out not being able to take it. I did realize he had some problems, but not that they ran quite so deep. I had thought he was working his way towards rational, for awhile there. Oh well. There are certainly some interesting people on the net, aren’t there? [g] Celia
*lol* That’s got to be the understatement of the year! Dragon
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Please be careful reading posts supposedly from me. Someone is posting using my name and a different address. I’m really, really new here, as you know, and with all that, it’s *still* patently obvious. First post I saw that wasn’t yours, I immediately checked the headers and said to myself, "Well, I don’t know what’s up here, but someone is posting with Dragon’s name." So don’t worry. If I saw it, this early, it’s patently obvious.
Thanks. Accusations are flying that it’s Bob, but I haven’t checked it out yet. Well, I hope it’s not Bob, ’cause I’m already concerned something has gone very wrong with him. But if it is…well….I hope he works out that he really does need some support, and goes to get it.
I hate to say it, but something has been wrong with him all along, but there really isn’t much we can do about it. I think the new trolls probably triggered this behavior, if it’s him. I don’t see any posts where he’s posting as himself today. He may have lost his account. I know at least one other person complained, and I suspect that Steve is right about the ones who are dishing it out not being able to take it. Dragon
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*giggle* They make our nuttier element look pretty tame, don’t they? Dragon
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – yep. sounds like you stumbled across the lunatic fringe of the net. azure X-No-Archive: yes I figured that. I knew right away it wasn’t you. No problem here. Sorry thats happening. Please be careful reading posts supposedly from me. Someone is posting using my name and a different address. Accusations are flying that it’s Bob, but I haven’t checked it out yet. Dragon — "Lord, when we are wrong, make us willing to change. And when we are right, make us easy to live with." Peter Marshall — For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi
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yes. I don’t have a lot of time tonight. but I have had such bad experiences with therapy, I don’t really know where to find one that I will be able to trust – the last therapist I had didn’t let me talk much at all and treated me really weird, almost like my last abusive boyfriend. I did have a true love once, he understood and could see what was right, we even talked about taking legal actions and that dream has stayed with me, of finally having closure and truth. unfortunately we broke up because of a silly misunderstanding, it was our first ‘fight’ – we didn’t fight he just wouldn’t talk about it. When we finally communicated and he wanted to get back together, I said I couldn’t because I was involved with someone else – who turned out to be really abusive jerk, that set me way back. Other circumstances had changed too. So I have a lot of regrets that weigh on my mind too. It just seems harder than ever to find a safe place, and I have been ready a long time just hard to do alone I guess. what you say isn’t wrong! thank you. jules. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve cut out the post although I’ve read it, as I don’t have anything much to say, except Panther is right in what she said. I just wanted to write you here, I don’t know if it’s Ok to interrupt though, but there is a lot of what you’ve said that reminds me of myself, and it’s my thoughts when I read your post. About maybe being insane well you’re not, thats clear. Again I have thought this about myself, I have been told it isn’t true, and it’s the same reason why its not true for you too. Things were said and done I didn’t know why, but it was to make me believe what I was told. I thought there was something wrong with my mind when I didn’t think how I was told to, but it wasn’t. There are people who tell you you’re wrong because they want it to be you and not them. But if you don’t know why you feel its wrong then you can feel it’s you and not them, and that’s what they are aiming to do, make it so you don’t see. Panther is right on this, and all the other people here who have replied to you. Therapy will help you too, it’s a good idea as its a way of grounding yourself and that there’s someone listening who will let you say as much as you want to and can talk you through things, and they can sometimes see bits you’re too close to or that you think about too much so you can’t see them clearly. Try to find someone you are comfortable with talking to, and if you don’t want group then don’t, it needs to be right for you. Talking helps a lot, it helps put thoughts in order. I have tried writing and that helps too as if I don’t want to think something through right then I can come back when I’m ready to and its still laid out for me to try again. If you can write it might help you too, or talking if that’s best, but you should only do as much as you want as it;’s what you feel most comfortable with. It doesn’t help if you’re not sure what’s fact and what’s not. There were times I was deliberately told something that wasn’t true and i believed it, and now can see its not true. I guess you are beginning to see this as well, that’s maybe why you feel this way right now. It was confusing it still is, as you feel there’s nothing solid you can stand on. But you have to trust someone on this and the best one to trust is yourself. When you feel something’s wrong maybe it’s because it *is wrong, and you know what happened better than anyone else who wasn’t there or who wants you to forget what they said or did because they shouldn’t have. You still have choices, and starting to work things out for yourself is a big choice, but we all have to make it some time, and this is your time to do it when you’re ready to. I’m sorry if I say anything you don’t agree with, if I say anything wrong it’s because I thought something that wasn’t there. Best wishes,
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Hmmmmm. Hmmmmmm. Stuffed and mounted, I’d be wallnuts? SpiritQuest pecan pecan’t That is the question
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… Is there any real live support groups listings or directory of smart abuse-aware therapists? I am really at a loss to find help. Many thanks, jules Hi Jules … Hi Alan, Go find an ACA or an ACOA 12 step meeting (its Adults who were Children of Abusive or Alcoholic parents) … I will look into that. ACA works on the emotional structure that SUPPORTS acting out behaviours so that the emotional basis for the disease is mitigated. not sure what that means, from what I remember in 12 step groups you can’t respond to each other, just listen. That sort of bothers me. I went to an NA group with a friend once, and one girl talked about how she had been raped and everyone just sat there silent. That doesn’t seem validating to me, but I will try it out. Its good to hang out in person with other people so aware as you are, not the denial crowd who have ‘chemical inbalances’ and drugs for the rest of their lives … sanity is found in a bottle. I have been forced to go to psychiatrists picked by my family as part of my family’s need for control over me, to place me as insane – you know that way none of the bad stuff cannot be known/true. It’s just that I am insane. I’m sure you are not insane 
You were put into insane circumstances. Another common occurrence is to call the "whistle blower"in the family a schizophrenic. I remember talking about this with my therapist early on in recovery process. She said, No you are not schizophrenic, you came from what we call a schizophrenic family. I asked what that was and she said, "it’s a family who, if they could by their behaviors, would turn their child into a schizophrenic. I laughed and to this day I think that description is perfect of many families who hold sexual abuse secret within their families. Go find an MFCC, an LCSW they are real good with this stuff. Especially if they have Rosenberg/Rand Integrative Body Psychotherapy. What is MFCC? LCSW? How do I find one? LCSW is a licenced social worker. The therapist I had was a licenced psyriatric nurse practicioner. btw phychiatrists tend to push meds thereas psychologists tend not to. Well that’s the general rule of thumb but there are exceptions. Also with the HMO’s today, the trend is to push meds not psychological treatment. Many HMO’s would only pay for very short term therapies. writing now even my voice is gone and my thoughts escape me – my sense of self and truth has just about slipped away from me. A lot of it is due to the strange psychiatry I have received. a strange woman, seeming like a witch, babbling about ‘med-i-ca-tions’ and talking to me in the voice of a two year old. I cannot believe things have taken such a bad turn this past year 
When you are ready to talk about things that happened it will tend to flucuate in the beginning. i.e. the desperate need to talk about it vs being overwhelmed by the magnitude of what you are expressing. When you get a therapist you can talk to, take it slow. Rome wasn’t built in a day. For some people journaling helps during this period and for others
thanks Panther, this is all very encouraging. It’s like I did a lot of work to get the courage to say things and then they are brushed off. I cannot believe I was in an abusive relationship (for 8 years) I knew from the beginning it was bad news but all my therapists said I should stay with it, or that I wasn’t ready to leave. I was asking for help. And the guy that sexually abused me when I was young beat it into my head that I always had to explain myself and ‘work things out’ – he sure didn’t let me walk away, he stalked me, harassed me and eventually kept me isolated in a little apartment with no outside contact. Meanwhile my parents thought for some reason that I was a rebellious teenager and just needed ‘to learn to love him more.’ I had a lot of dysfunctional friends and back then I had a lot more hope, all the 12 step & recovery stuff made sense to me, but I wasn’t a drug addict…. I looked up on the web about ACOA, it sounds like just what I need, but I couldn’t find any info about live groups. It will take a lot of courage to try to believe any of it again, although the truth in it is obvious. I am scared of interacting with drug addicts. Why did all the healing I did years ago….why do people abuse people? I don’t feel like I can take it slow anymore, I need radical measures. I don’t see truth anywhere in my world. I doubt anymore that I can make my own decisions anymore. It’s hard to believe anymore. my mind is a blank at journalling and drawing, though years ago it used to help – I have a severe mental block. The more I am my true self, the more my family fights back. It is helping to write here. I participated in this NG a little bit back in 1998/99 but got scared away. I am glad you all are still here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – drawing. It would take me a long while to feel safe anywhere, so I am inclined to think feel so small and insignificant, I feel as if I am doing something terribly wrong to even think my truth, I think I have become terrified of other people. I may have MPD……I think I am just terrified and confused, and mad that I have become so terrified….. strong forces even within me working against me, to be honest I can’t even keep a schedule, my sleep patterns are so whack and not making it to appointments becomes costly. In the beginning I could not tolerate the thought of a group. It took me almost a year of learning to trust my therapist before attempting a women’s group. The woman’s group turned out to be very validating and I continued with both individual and group therapies. Always remember though that different groups "click" differently and if the first doesn’t feel right, give it two or three sessions and if not comfortable bow out. As far as MPD goes bear in mind that when you are first dealing with your memories it is easy to go into varying stages of "flashbacks" and these can sometimes "feel" like you are MPD. As far as missing appts etc, you are right now going through a very emotional time and that is _extremely_ stressful and tiring. It is easy to be forgetful and lose your train of thought. This will get easier with time. It is important to allow yourself to get as much rest as you can. When you are overtired it will be very very easy to be overwhelmed. Terrified is "normal" Bummer uh? But this too gets better.
It will only get better if I can know where I am going, that I am on the right track, and somehow change things for the better, I have been trying to do that all my life, I had success for a while. But as one NA friend said to me "you must not have done it right". It is hard to swallow all the effort my family has gone to to keep me dependent. I feel like I used to have choices. ….. Remind yourself that although you are thinking about (or talking about) some of the instances that what you do have now is "time". Decisions do not have to be made immediately as it did back then to survive. Remember that you now are older and have choices. Choices to go ahead at whatever pace is instinctively "right" for you, choices to step back and let it rest, choices to say yes or no and above all choices to say, "I haven’t decided yet and I’ll let you know when I do."
that’s the thing, it’s even hard to listen to my own instincts anymore. thank you for listening You’ll get through this jules, and your life will be better than you ever imagined
Panther, thank you for the encouragement, it means a lot. Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Best, Panther thanks, jules jules Biofeedback and Traditional Accupuncture are real good for this recovery stuff also to get the bitter salty tears out of the brain … of historical emotional trauma (PTSD issues). Help is out there – competent and learned help. Go talk to people who have more experience, more time in recovery under their belt in your neighborhood … and network with them. Go to some weekend seminars, hang out in therapy groups get to know the therapists before you jump into therapy with them … that way. Interview them before you committ to therapy. Takes about 2 years once you start … the first 6 months I did IBP therapy – and this was after 14 years of recovery I cried every day before I got on the winning side of it. I had a few decades of tears to get out … sumbuddie did dis and so can you. :*) —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– — Free Anonymous Email Accounts & WebHosting for sexual abuse survivors http://www.asarian-intl.org http://www.asar-intl.com http://www.asarian-intl.org/inpsyte
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ca-SHEW!!! gesundheit
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, our nuts are Better! SpiritQuest dry roasted lightly salted *giggle* They make our nuttier element look pretty tame, don’t they? Dragon yep. sounds like you stumbled across the lunatic fringe of the net. azure X-No-Archive: yes I figured that. I knew right away it wasn’t you. No problem here. Sorry thats happening. Please be careful reading posts supposedly from me. Someone is posting using my name and a different address. Accusations are flying that it’s Bob, but I haven’t checked it out yet. Dragon — "Lord, when we are wrong, make us willing to change. And when we are right, make us easy to live with." Peter Marshall — For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message Please be careful reading posts supposedly from me. Someone is posting using my name and a different address. I’m really, really new here, as you know, and with all that, it’s *still* patently obvious. First post I saw that wasn’t yours, I immediately checked the headers and said to myself, "Well, I don’t know what’s up here, but someone is posting with Dragon’s name." So don’t worry. If I saw it, this early, it’s patently obvious. Thanks. Accusations are flying that it’s Bob, but I haven’t checked it out yet. Well, I hope it’s not Bob, ’cause I’m already concerned something has gone very wrong with him. But if it is…well….I hope he works out that he really does need some support, and goes to get it. I hate to say it, but something has been wrong with him all along, but there really isn’t much we can do about it. I think the new trolls probably triggered this behavior, if it’s him. I don’t see any posts where he’s posting as himself today. He may have lost his account. I know at least one other person complained, and I suspect that Steve is right about the ones who are dishing it out not being able to take it.
I did realize he had some problems, but not that they ran quite so deep. I had thought he was working his way towards rational, for awhile there. Oh well. There are certainly some interesting people on the net, aren’t there? [g] Celia
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Hey, our nuts are Better! SpiritQuest dry roasted lightly salted
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *giggle* They make our nuttier element look pretty tame, don’t they? Dragon yep. sounds like you stumbled across the lunatic fringe of the net. azure X-No-Archive: yes I figured that. I knew right away it wasn’t you. No problem here. Sorry thats happening. Please be careful reading posts supposedly from me. Someone is posting using my name and a different address. Accusations are flying that it’s Bob, but I haven’t checked it out yet. Dragon — "Lord, when we are wrong, make us willing to change. And when we are right, make us easy to live with." Peter Marshall — For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi
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says… I’m sure you are not insane You were put into insane circumstances. Another common occurrence is to call the "whistle blower" in the family a schizophrenic. I remember talking about this with my therapist early on in recovery process. She said, No you are not schizophrenic, you came from what we call a schizophrenic family. I asked what that was and she said, "it’s a family who, if they could by their behaviors, would turn their child into a schizophrenic.
heh. i’ll never forget my mom slipping up and calling me by a pet name of "schizophrenia." they need to focus on the Family Problem, the scapegoat, and convince him/her that he/she is "crazy" so they can make sense out of their own world and not have to look too deeply into themselves. if they truly dealt with the real family problem, it might be too scary. that’s what i’ve found, anyway. and continue to find. it’s a lonely, terrifying role, being the little child who perceives that the emperor is naked. i believe it is not always necessary nor is it always wise to tell others, especially unsafe abusive others, of the emperor’s nakedness. But it’s crucial that one honor one’s own perceptions. when one has been trained to believe one is "crazy" it’s a temptation to "see" clothes on that emperor. azure
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yep. sounds like you stumbled across the lunatic fringe of the net. azure
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Is there any real live support groups listings or directory of smart abuse-aware therapists? I am really at a loss to find help. Many thanks, jules Hi Jules …
Hi Alan, Go find an ACA or an ACOA 12 step meeting (its Adults who were Children of Abusive or Alcoholic parents) …
I will look into that. ACA works on the emotional structure that SUPPORTS acting out behaviours so that the emotional basis for the disease is mitigated.
not sure what that means, from what I remember in 12 step groups you can’t respond to each other, just listen. That sort of bothers me. I went to an NA group with a friend once, and one girl talked about how she had been raped and everyone just sat there silent. That doesn’t seem validating to me, but I will try it out. Its good to hang out in person with other people so aware as you are, not the denial crowd who have ‘chemical inbalances’ and drugs for the rest of their lives … sanity is found in a bottle.
I have been forced to go to psychiatrists picked by my family as part of my family’s need for control over me, to place me as insane – you know that way none of the bad stuff cannot be known/true. It’s just that I am insane. Go find an MFCC, an LCSW they are real good with this stuff. Especially if they have Rosenberg/Rand Integrative Body Psychotherapy.
What is MFCC? LCSW? How do I find one? writing now even my voice is gone and my thoughts escape me – my sense of self and truth has just about slipped away from me. A lot of it is due to the strange psychiatry I have received. a strange woman, seeming like a witch, babbling about ‘med-i-ca-tions’ and talking to me in the voice of a two year old. I cannot believe things have taken such a bad turn this past year It would take me a long while to feel safe anywhere, so I am inclined to think feel so small and insignificant, I feel as if I am doing something terribly wrong to even think my truth, I think I have become terrified of other people. I may have MPD……I think I am just terrified and confused, and mad that I have become so terrified….. strong forces even within me working against me, to be honest I can’t even keep a schedule, my sleep patterns are so whack and not making it to appointments becomes costly. thanks, jules jules – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Biofeedback and Traditional Accupuncture are real good for this recovery stuff also to get the bitter salty tears out of the brain … of historical emotional trauma (PTSD issues). Help is out there – competent and learned help. Go talk to people who have more experience, more time in recovery under their belt in your neighborhood … and network with them. Go to some weekend seminars, hang out in therapy groups get to know the therapists before you jump into therapy with them … that way. Interview them before you committ to therapy. Takes about 2 years once you start … the first 6 months I did IBP therapy – and this was after 14 years of recovery I cried every day before I got on the winning side of it. I had a few decades of tears to get out … sumbuddie did dis and so can you. :*) —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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Is there any real live support groups listings or directory of smart abuse-aware therapists? I am really at a loss to find help. Many thanks, jules
Hi Jules … Go find an ACA or an ACOA 12 step meeting (its Adults who were Children of Abusive or Alcoholic parents) … ACA works on the emotional structure that SUPPORTS acting out behaviours so that the emotional basis for the disease is mitigated. Its good to hang out in person with other people so aware as you are, not the denial crowd who have ‘chemical inbalances’ and drugs for the rest of their lives … sanity is found in a bottle. Go find an MFCC, an LCSW they are real good with this stuff. Especially if they have Rosenberg/Rand Integrative Body Psychotherapy. Biofeedback and Traditional Accupuncture are real good for this recovery stuff also to get the bitter salty tears out of the brain … of historical emotional trauma (PTSD issues). Help is out there – competent and learned help. Go talk to people who have more experience, more time in recovery under their belt in your neighborhood … and network with them. Go to some weekend seminars, hang out in therapy groups get to know the therapists before you jump into therapy with them … that way. Interview them before you committ to therapy. Takes about 2 years once you start … the first 6 months I did IBP therapy – and this was after 14 years of recovery I cried every day before I got on the winning side of it. I had a few decades of tears to get out … sumbuddie did dis and so can you. :*) —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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How would I find a therapist that understands abuse issues? – i.e. not belittling or trying to smooth over how we were damaged – I have a real need to finally talk about and sort out all the stuff I have been through, stuff it is very hard for me to even talk about most of the time, but most therapists just want to give me drugs and tell me I am acting childish if I cry. I want to finally be able to talk about how I was treated without being socially incorrect, with some validation and understanding. I believe that psych ‘illness’ is rooted in what I have been through, not only some chemical imbalance. I have also been what I consider ‘tortured’ by psychiatrists when I was a young teenager. I have been working on feeling safe and healing, but the people around me, family, psychiatrists, all seem to be working against that. Is there any real live support groups listings or directory of smart abuse-aware therapists? I am really at a loss to find help. Many thanks, jules
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I hope anybody that knows me will know that. I think it’s pretty obvious. 
But triggered people don’t always stop and consider, you know? Dragon
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Please be careful reading posts supposedly from me. Someone is posting using my name and a different address. Accusations are flying that it’s Bob, but I haven’t checked it out yet. Dragon — "Lord, when we are wrong, make us willing to change. And when we are right, make us easy to live with." Peter Marshall
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