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If her family can afford to put her in a "good" hospital, then they should be able to afford someone to be with her 24/7 until the meds kick in. Are there family and other friends who can take shifts in looking after her? You have a good heart celeste, ((((((hugs)))))) Margaret celeste <celes…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3A1110D2.147BEB41@bellsouth.net… > The last few years of PTSD and depression have been an
absolute living hell. I > can totally relate with her as far as the suicide and
depression goes. Even in > my most closest moment to ending it all, I still was
contantly worried of > those who I love. In the last couple days different
doctors told her she was > bipolar, borderline, had PTSD Or Panic. I don’t even know what she has > anymore, except ovbiosly depression. I thought it was PTSD but I think it > might be mixed in with borderline. I love her with all my heart. We’ve had > alot of suicides in my family. I can’t lose her to this disease. I was in a > mental hopital when I was baker acted. It was for people without money or > insurance. It was horrible, and the stupid doctor was
worse. But monet isn’t > an issue for her or her parents. They can put her in
somewhere real nice that > has good help. She’s only 24 years old. She can work with this and live a > great life with help. She’s only been going thru this for like 5 months, but > it hit her real hard, so I know 5 months can seem like as eternity. I can’t > let go, I love my family too much to ever give up and
watch her slip away into > the depths of hell and depression, and then ultimately suicide. Mental > hospitals may be horrid, But it might help her. Ofcourse I don’t want too make > her do something she doesn’t want to…but she’s an
absolut mess right now. > The past 7 months, whether it’s been remission or that I’m better, I’m very > thankfful that I’m still alive. I thank god for the
strength I had not to have > committed suicide, even thougth it seemed so beautiful then too imagine > eternal peace. I just am hoping she has a chance to
survive this and get – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> better, and be happy. Thank you for your thoughts, and for listening to me > celeste > bronsing wrote: > > Hmmm…I think that this is something very personal and difficult to > > give anyone advice on. For myself, I believe that people have a right to > > decide what to do with their lives. Nobody asks to be born, and if the > > live you’re living is nothing but a taste of hell why should you go out > > of your way to preserve it? On the other hand, I say this because when I > > wanted to end my life, people were thinking of putting my in a mental > > institution. I think that’s wrong. On the other hand, if it is some-one > > you love its difficult ifnot impossible to just let it go. For me, I > > hope I have the courage to let it go, but I don’t know. > > Sometimes, people can’t be helped. Sometimes, suicide does seem like a > > feasible option. Not everyone who decides to end his or her life is > > incapable to make their own decisions. But again, this is just my > > opinion. Hope it helpes, sorry if it doesn’t. > > Take care > > celeste wrote: > > > Does any one personally think that anyone who has just attempted suicide > > > is in the right mental state to decide if they should get treatment or > > > not? Or should the survivor be forced into a treatment center? Should > > > you try so see what the survivor wants to do iff they’ve tried two > > > suicide attempts in 30 days? I personally think that the person should > > > be dragged and locked in a treatment cent if
neccesary. I only believe > > > this because I know when I was extremely suicidal that I wasn’t in any > > > mental condition to even care what was the best
decision for me, and any > > > second, I could’ve offed myself for good. Do you guys maybe have any > > > advice? I’m so stressed out because of my family
member who seems just > > > fine now, but we all know better, I think. I feel like dragging her by > > > her hair to someplace to get the right kind of help. God, I feel like > > > I’m watching her die, which I guess we all are. I just think she’s way > > > beyond a psychologists help, or even someone who
understands. I think – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > she’s really dangerous right now, I don’t think she should be anywhere > > > else than a hospital or something to make sure she at least gets thru > > > the suicidal phase till the meedicine starts working. This is even more > > > stressing than when I went thru this myself, I guess because us > > > survivors tend to love people more than we will love ourselves. Any > > > advice please? thank you so much > > > celeste > > — > > Robert Bronsing > > ‘In the beginning, the file was without form, and void; > > and emptiness was upon the face of the bits. > > And the Fingers of the Author moved upon the face of the keyboard. > > And the Author said: ‘Let there be words’, and there were words’ > > from the Linux System Administrators Guide
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> I was told by a professional that if someone/something outside of me was > telling me to do something harmful to myself or others I could then say that > I am schizophrenic. Otherwise, the voices in my head are ‘just’ > disconnected personalities. > Maybe this is what she’s talking about. If so, that’s waaaay beyond the > knowledge of most of us on this ng. :/
perhaps beyond the technical knowledge, but certainly not beyond the personal experience of many in this group. this sounds very familiar to me. i just became more stealthy. my suicide attempts landed me in intensive care for weeks and then in acute care psych ward for months. it did not change the way i felt, though, which is that if the pain ever got that bad again, i would not hesitate to end my life. now, though, i don’t talk about it or my plans to ever do it. i just have it in my heart like some sort of hope, a way out, something i can do to end the pain if it ever comes again like that. it is a very comforting thought. i think that if someone is determined to kill his/herself, then they’d best not talk about it to anyone and they’d best have a good plan and be prepared. granted, my good plans didn’t work, but that won’t happen again to me. so what if it is personality fragments screaming out for release? it is still my pain, it is still my life. it would hurt many people, but only transiently, nothing at all like the pain i endure most days. strong opinions that refer only to myself and my own situation. ymmv, to say the least. carole – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Smile and there will be something to smile about! > Nancy
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Hi celeste! >She said that for some reason she woke > up at 4am and this funny feeling came over her that she didn’t know what
it was and she had no control and that’s when she attempted suicide the last time. That excuse seems a little weird, and to tell you the truth, I don’t really understand what she means. She woke up with a ‘funny’ feeling….I have a feeling her illness is way past my understanding, whether I was suicidal before or not. I was told by a professional that if someone/something outside of me was telling me to do something harmful to myself or others I could then say that I am schizophrenic. Otherwise, the voices in my head are ‘just’ disconnected personalities. Maybe this is what she’s talking about. If so, that’s waaaay beyond the knowledge of most of us on this ng. :/ Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy
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Hi celeste! > Even in > my most closest moment to ending it all, I still was contantly worried of > those who I love.
——————snip——————————- > I just am hoping she has a chance to survive this and get > better, and be happy.
You made your own decision for yourself, apparently. What makes you believe that you have any control over another person’s decision or outcome? If you truly believe that you have some kind of control over another person’s decisions or outcomes, as I once did, then you might consider the fact that I now know this thought pattern is my distorted thinking and one of my PTSD symptoms.. If she refuses help, the decision is her’s. If she accepts help, the decision is hers. I went through this 2 years ago with my son’s suicide attempt. Letting go and letting God is really difficult for those of us with PTSD IMO. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy
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Hi Celeste, I am praying for you and your relative, I hope you think the Buddhist kind count ^_~ I was on the verge about a year ago, and my mother put me in the state hospital against my will. I was so angry with her, that I told the staff there that if she tried to come and see me that I would try to kill her. That she had done this horrible thing to me, when it was MY right to kill myself if I wanted to, and no one had the right to tell me that this was worthwhile, when I was absolutely sure that it was not. While I was in this awful place, and it was awful, I live in Kentucky, and mental services for the poor are about the last thing that gets any money at all, I met a girl my age, and she had been so sick for so long that her long blond hair was all stuck and matted together like a dog, and they were going to cut it off, no matter how bad she complained, partly because they could not get it washed. I got a bottle of conditioner, and I used to have an old english sheepdog, so I knew how to untangle really good, and I kept almost all of her hair, it was a little thin where the worst tangle had been, but she was so grateful, and I know it sounds dumb, but she was so grateful for me helping her, that it made me want to live again, cause if I couldnt make my self feel good, I had one talent that made this girl so happy. I dont know what the moral of this story is, but I do know that I am glad that Mommy put me there, cause I dont want to die anymore, and I did make a friend. She is 17 and really really addicted to crack, and they told her that she would be addicted to crack for the rest of her life, and I feel like I am going to be like this for the rest of my life too, and though we dont have the same problem, we can at least be friends. I would tell you that I was glad that Mom committed me against my will. I am glad that I am alive now, even though I wish somedays that I could get a prescription for morphine the pain in my head is so bad. I can only tell you what I feel. Your relative may never have the same opinion that I do. That is just what happend to me. Claudia
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Hmmm…I think that this is something very personal and difficult to give anyone advice on. For myself, I believe that people have a right to decide what to do with their lives. Nobody asks to be born, and if the live you’re living is nothing but a taste of hell why should you go out of your way to preserve it? On the other hand, I say this because when I wanted to end my life, people were thinking of putting my in a mental institution. I think that’s wrong. On the other hand, if it is some-one you love its difficult ifnot impossible to just let it go. For me, I hope I have the courage to let it go, but I don’t know. Sometimes, people can’t be helped. Sometimes, suicide does seem like a feasible option. Not everyone who decides to end his or her life is incapable to make their own decisions. But again, this is just my opinion. Hope it helpes, sorry if it doesn’t. Take care – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -celeste wrote: > Does any one personally think that anyone who has just attempted suicide > is in the right mental state to decide if they should get treatment or > not? Or should the survivor be forced into a treatment center? Should > you try so see what the survivor wants to do iff they’ve tried two > suicide attempts in 30 days? I personally think that the person should > be dragged and locked in a treatment cent if neccesary. I only believe > this because I know when I was extremely suicidal that I wasn’t in any > mental condition to even care what was the best decision for me, and any > second, I could’ve offed myself for good. Do you guys maybe have any > advice? I’m so stressed out because of my family member who seems just > fine now, but we all know better, I think. I feel like dragging her by > her hair to someplace to get the right kind of help. God, I feel like > I’m watching her die, which I guess we all are. I just think she’s way > beyond a psychologists help, or even someone who understands. I think > she’s really dangerous right now, I don’t think she should be anywhere > else than a hospital or something to make sure she at least gets thru > the suicidal phase till the meedicine starts working. This is even more > stressing than when I went thru this myself, I guess because us > survivors tend to love people more than we will love ourselves. Any > advice please? thank you so much > celeste
– Robert Bronsing ‘In the beginning, the file was without form, and void; and emptiness was upon the face of the bits. And the Fingers of the Author moved upon the face of the keyboard. And the Author said: ‘Let there be words’, and there were words’ from the Linux System Administrators Guide
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The last few years of PTSD and depression have been an absolute living hell. I can totally relate with her as far as the suicide and depression goes. Even in my most closest moment to ending it all, I still was contantly worried of those who I love. In the last couple days different doctors told her she was bipolar, borderline, had PTSD Or Panic. I don’t even know what she has anymore, except ovbiosly depression. I thought it was PTSD but I think it might be mixed in with borderline. I love her with all my heart. We’ve had alot of suicides in my family. I can’t lose her to this disease. I was in a mental hopital when I was baker acted. It was for people without money or insurance. It was horrible, and the stupid doctor was worse. But monet isn’t an issue for her or her parents. They can put her in somewhere real nice that has good help. She’s only 24 years old. She can work with this and live a great life with help. She’s only been going thru this for like 5 months, but it hit her real hard, so I know 5 months can seem like as eternity. I can’t let go, I love my family too much to ever give up and watch her slip away into the depths of hell and depression, and then ultimately suicide. Mental hospitals may be horrid, But it might help her. Ofcourse I don’t want too make her do something she doesn’t want to…but she’s an absolut mess right now. The past 7 months, whether it’s been remission or that I’m better, I’m very thankfful that I’m still alive. I thank god for the strength I had not to have committed suicide, even thougth it seemed so beautiful then too imagine eternal peace. I just am hoping she has a chance to survive this and get better, and be happy. Thank you for your thoughts, and for listening to me celeste – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -bronsing wrote: > Hmmm…I think that this is something very personal and difficult to > give anyone advice on. For myself, I believe that people have a right to > decide what to do with their lives. Nobody asks to be born, and if the > live you’re living is nothing but a taste of hell why should you go out > of your way to preserve it? On the other hand, I say this because when I > wanted to end my life, people were thinking of putting my in a mental > institution. I think that’s wrong. On the other hand, if it is some-one > you love its difficult ifnot impossible to just let it go. For me, I > hope I have the courage to let it go, but I don’t know. > Sometimes, people can’t be helped. Sometimes, suicide does seem like a > feasible option. Not everyone who decides to end his or her life is > incapable to make their own decisions. But again, this is just my > opinion. Hope it helpes, sorry if it doesn’t. > Take care > celeste wrote: > > Does any one personally think that anyone who has just attempted suicide > > is in the right mental state to decide if they should get treatment or > > not? Or should the survivor be forced into a treatment center? Should > > you try so see what the survivor wants to do iff they’ve tried two > > suicide attempts in 30 days? I personally think that the person should > > be dragged and locked in a treatment cent if neccesary. I only believe > > this because I know when I was extremely suicidal that I wasn’t in any > > mental condition to even care what was the best decision for me, and any > > second, I could’ve offed myself for good. Do you guys maybe have any > > advice? I’m so stressed out because of my family member who seems just > > fine now, but we all know better, I think. I feel like dragging her by > > her hair to someplace to get the right kind of help. God, I feel like > > I’m watching her die, which I guess we all are. I just think she’s way > > beyond a psychologists help, or even someone who understands. I think > > she’s really dangerous right now, I don’t think she should be anywhere > > else than a hospital or something to make sure she at least gets thru > > the suicidal phase till the meedicine starts working. This is even more > > stressing than when I went thru this myself, I guess because us > > survivors tend to love people more than we will love ourselves. Any > > advice please? thank you so much > > celeste > — > Robert Bronsing > ‘In the beginning, the file was without form, and void; > and emptiness was upon the face of the bits. > And the Fingers of the Author moved upon the face of the keyboard. > And the Author said: ‘Let there be words’, and there were words’ > from the Linux System Administrators Guide
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Thank you all for the suggestions and thoughts, you all are very sweet and good hearted people. At this moment of time, and the past 6 or 7 months, I am so thankful I am still alive. Right now there’s so many things to be happy about, the things I feel that life is worth living. And for me personally, I feel my passion and purpose is to go on to help other women like myself that are victims of D.V. and rape. But 9 or 10 months ago I could not even imagine that I would of made it this far, and have been happy. Even if my PTSD and depression are just in some sort of remmision like it was 2 yrs ago for a couple months, all that matters to me now is how happy I am to have survived and be living today. That’s why I don’t want to give up on her. I know I’m no one to decide her life. But I just feel that someone has to do SOMETHING. She could beat this, and find happiness just like so many other depressives. I think it would be a real good Idea if there was people always watching her, but I’m skeptical because her 2nd attempt was when she climbed out of her boyfriends bed that she lives with, and attempted suicide while he was sleeping. And he had been keeping a very close eye on her because she had just tried it a couple weeks before. She said that for some reason she woke up at 4am and this funny feeling came over her that she didn’t know what it was and she had no control and that’s when she attempted suicide the last time. That excuse seems a little weird, and to tell you the truth, I don’t really understand what she means. She woke up with a ‘funny’ feeling….I have a feeling her illness is way past my understanding, whether I was suicidal before or not. And claudia, thank you for your words. Thank all of you guys, your all very sweet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Daemina Piccolo wrote: > Hi Celeste, > I am praying for you and your relative, I hope you think the Buddhist kind count ^_~ > I was on the verge about a year ago, and my mother put me in the state hospital against my will. I was so angry with her, that I told the staff there that if she tried to come and see me that I would try to kill her. That she had done this horrible thing to me, when it was MY right to kill myself if I wanted to, and no one had the right to tell me that this was worthwhile, when I was absolutely sure that it was not. > While I was in this awful place, and it was awful, I live in Kentucky, and mental services for the poor are about the last thing that gets any money at all, I met a girl my age, and she had been so sick for so long that her long blond hair was all stuck and matted together like a dog, and they were going to cut it off, no matter how bad she complained, partly because they could not get it washed. > I got a bottle of conditioner, and I used to have an old english sheepdog, so I knew how to untangle really good, and I kept almost all of her hair, it was a little thin where the worst tangle had been, but she was so grateful, and I know it sounds dumb, but she was so grateful for me helping her, that it made me want to live again, cause if I couldnt make my self feel good, I had one talent that made this girl so happy. > I dont know what the moral of this story is, but I do know that I am glad that Mommy put me there, cause I dont want to die anymore, and I did make a friend. She is 17 and really really addicted to crack, and they told her that she would be addicted to crack for the rest of her life, and I feel like I am going to be like this for the rest of my life too, and though we dont have the same problem, we can at least be friends. > I would tell you that I was glad that Mom committed me against my will. I am glad that I am alive now, even though I wish somedays that I could get a prescription for morphine the pain in my head is so bad. > I can only tell you what I feel. Your relative may never have the same opinion that I do. That is just what happend to me. > Claudia
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Does any one personally think that anyone who has just attempted suicide is in the right mental state to decide if they should get treatment or not? Or should the survivor be forced into a treatment center? Should you try so see what the survivor wants to do iff they’ve tried two suicide attempts in 30 days? I personally think that the person should be dragged and locked in a treatment cent if neccesary. I only believe this because I know when I was extremely suicidal that I wasn’t in any mental condition to even care what was the best decision for me, and any second, I could’ve offed myself for good. Do you guys maybe have any advice? I’m so stressed out because of my family member who seems just fine now, but we all know better, I think. I feel like dragging her by her hair to someplace to get the right kind of help. God, I feel like I’m watching her die, which I guess we all are. I just think she’s way beyond a psychologists help, or even someone who understands. I think she’s really dangerous right now, I don’t think she should be anywhere else than a hospital or something to make sure she at least gets thru the suicidal phase till the meedicine starts working. This is even more stressing than when I went thru this myself, I guess because us survivors tend to love people more than we will love ourselves. Any advice please? thank you so much celeste
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