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> When the only tool you have is a hammer,
you apparently use it to bash everyone else’s heads in.
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Kristine, if I may be so brave to speak up here, I heard you. You started out your last letter in a somewhat aggressive way which may have set off some red flags, but I agree that by the middle and end you were asking honest questions. I think we might just all need some time to cool off. I hope you will be patient a little while longer – you have some good things to say. take care, Renee It’s not how many times you fall down, it’s how many times you get up that matters BarbieEnvy <barbiee…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990617175544.27928.00000617@ng-fd1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Okay Sally, never mind what I wrote. You are in a position of being defensive > and don’t seem to be able to hear what I was trying to say, in a positive way. > I won’t make any suggestions, since that’s what you’re demanding. But isn’t > that the whole theme here…"don’t respond to me" "don’t attack me" For > Christ’s sake, I am not the enemy. I have lurked and posted here on and off for > this year. I was trying to be helpful, but you are in a defensive mode and > didn’t hear what I was saying. Leave it alone then. I will leave it alone. > Kristine – unable to get through if you aren’t able to listen
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Sally, you are not an outcast. Trouble is, some people talk louder than others and drown out the other voices, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t still out here. take care, Renee When the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to treat everything like a nail. Sally wrote > – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > This is a place for support. And you could be getting the wrong message. > I’m getting the message I’m not wanted here. I’m nearly in tears because of all > this trouncing of me going on here, and who gives a ****??? It just goes on. Is > this the right message or should I have gotten another one out of this evening? > > Please go get help. > I thought that the people here would be willing to help me to help myself. Where’d > those people go? Who are these people who don’t seem to care about me anymore and > what did they do with the supportive ones? Why am I suddenly the outcast?
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not all of us, no. not all the time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > When the only tool you have is a hammer, > you apparently use it to bash everyone else’s heads in.
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>But at least I understand why and home come sometimes. >Please go get help.
Don’t you agree with me, JD….don’t you think that the only hope for PTSD is treatment? Not a self-diagnosis. <sigh> What next??? Lu
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>I thought that the people here would be willing to help me to help myself. >Where’d >those people go
We can’t help you…..you need PROFESSIONAL HELP and first off, you need a diagnosis of PTSD. 99% of us on here have been diagnosed. We’re all in the same boat. Then, you come along, claim that you diagnosed yourself but don’t want to get treatment? Yes, you are the outcast of you don’t seek help. Luanne
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>Sally, you are not an outcast. Trouble is, some people talk louder than >others and drown out the other voices, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t still >out here.
Come on, Renee….even YOU were diagnosed. You are at least in therapy!!!! You didn’t come on this newsgroup an diagnose yourself. Please get REAL. First you approve of pot smoking for treating PTSD symptoms, and now you approve of a self-diagnosis of PTSD????? Stop sucking up to others to get their approval and wake up and smell the coffee and the burnt toast. Luanne
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Two days Lu. You manged to live by your word for two days. I have tried to be respectful to you, and you have noticed it. If you cannot be respectful to me, back off, and say nothing. I will quote your words until you can live by them. Does your word mean anything, Lu? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– From: LuanneP <luan…@aol.comet> Newsgroups: alt.support.trauma-ptsd Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Medical Cannabis or anxiety and stress in connecticut? > Do not respond to my posts, (name-calling removed), and I will leave you alone. LuanneP <luan…@aol.comet> wrote in message news:19990617195847.01115.00000543@ng-fi1.aol.com… > >Sally, you are not an outcast. Trouble is, some people talk louder than > >others and drown out the other voices, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t still > >out here. > Come on, Renee….even YOU were diagnosed. You are at least in therapy!!!! > You didn’t come on this newsgroup an diagnose yourself. Please get REAL. > First you approve of pot smoking for treating PTSD symptoms, and now you > approve of a self-diagnosis of PTSD????? Stop sucking up to others to get > their approval and wake up and smell the coffee and the burnt toast. > Luanne
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Lu said: > I said NOTHING but good things about you today, except for the fact that you > told Sally that it is okay to ’self-diagnose.’ I said that at least you sought > treatment of sorts.
Yes, you gave me something of a compliment when you said: > Come on, Renee….even YOU were diagnosed. You are at least in > therapy!!!! You didn’t come on this newsgroup and diagnose yourself.
but by saying ‘even me’ it is something of a back-hand. I’ll take what I can get. :) You’re right, I see your point. However, I did not tell anyone that it was ok to self-diagnose. If someone says that they are not ready to do something, but they are working towards it, I am going to encourage them and support them however I can. I am not going to attack them or tell them what to do. And when you said: > > Please get REAL. > > First you approve of pot smoking for treating PTSD symptoms, and now you > > approve of a self-diagnosis of PTSD????? Stop sucking up to others to get > > their approval and wake up and smell the coffee and the burnt toast.
It was not a compliment. It was also not as harsh as you have been with me in the past, and I apologize for overreacting – I tend to do that more often than I like. :/ I am going to say this one more time, and then I am not discussing it again: My statement WAS NOT about pot as a treatment of ptsd. I said that I do not see the difference between the occasional joint and the occasional drink, among other things. You twisted it around to suit your purposes and attacked me. I trust we are clear now. I don’t have to ‘approve’ of anything to support someone and encourage them through their process. I don’t expect you to understand, but I do expect you to respect me because I deserve it just as much as you do, Lu, and I gave you the respect you asked for. Please return the kindness. > Why you keep giving people all the wrong messages is way beyond me. You and I > know self-medication is wrong. You and I both know the importance of seek ing > medical help, yet you advise against these things to be ‘liked and accepted’ > here on this group. I don’t get it?
No Lu, you don’t get it. I am not giving people ‘wrong’ messages – I am stating opinions you don’t agree with. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean that I am wrong. I NEVER advised against seeking medical or other professional care. I am trying to support Sally in her process, believing her to be a mature adult who knows her limitations and her abilities, including arranging her own treatment plan. I may or may not agree with her, but I will not ever tell anyone that I know what’s best for them in terms of their personal treatment. Again, you don’t have to agree. And let’s be clear: I am not offering advice based on what people think of me. The words I give are based on the hope that I might be able to help someone. That’s what we are here for. My position has never changed Lu – I have remained consistant all the time you’ve known me. I will continue to remain true to myself and speak up for what I believe to be fair and right. I expect nothing less from anyone else. You are not going to sway me. I’m a little wiser now, a little more healed, but still have a long way to go. I don’t want to fan any flames, so I have chosen my words here carefully. Please think before you respond. I will not be mistreated or abused anymore – I will be treated with the respect I deserve. I am not asking you to give me anything, I am asking for what I have earned. Please, speak your mind, but try to be kind. Think first. take care, Renee It’s not how many times you fall down, it’s how many times you get up that matters
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>I’m defensive because noone wants to help me. I’m on my own. If I don’t >defend >myself against this I’ll end up packing my bags and going again like last >week only >this time I won’t come back.
Oh for GOD’S sakes…..we CAN’T HELP YOU!!!!!! YOU NEED TO GET PROFESSIONAL HELP. Get the cotton out of your ears and start listening to what we are saying. Everybody is telling you to seek professional help, and then you come on here with the stupidest statement in the world saying "I have diagnosed myself." Open mouth – Insert foot. Luanne
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>Can’t you read the word "frightened?"
You are a ding-dong. You do not hear what any of us are saying here. We were ALL frightened. You use the excuse of not wanting to see a male therapist. GET A FEMALE ONE THEN. Why doesn’t your husband get off his dead ass and get you into a doctor???? I would be willing to bet he knows NOTHING of your ’self-diagnosis.’ Nothing you say holds any water with me. I was frightened then, I am frightened now,and I am frightened for the future, but I keep trudging along. As I have said, I use meds, therapy, and exercise. All three of those things have been positive reinforcement for me. I’ll bet if you broke your leg, you would get into a doctor’s office, wouldn’t you?? Don’t you get a pap smear every year? Afterall, you are married? If so, then ask your gynecologist to recommend a female shrink. Luanne
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>Two days Lu. You manged to live by your word for two days.
I said NOTHING but good things about you today, except for the fact that you told Sally that it is okay to ’self-diagnose.’ I said that at least you sought treatment of sorts. Why you keep giving people all the wrong messages is way beyond me. You and I know self-medication is wrong. You and I both know the importance of seeking medical help, yet you advise against these things to be ‘liked and accepted’ here on this group. I don’t get it? Lu
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>t was not a compliment. >It was also not as harsh as you have been with me in the past, and I >apologize for overreacting – I tend to do that more often than I like. :/
No, it was NOT a compliment. You are correct and it was wrong of me to state that. This is what works for me. I call it like I see it. I call a spade a spade and I HAVE to voice my opinion. I’m one of those who can’t keep it in. Renee….if you see something posted on here that in MOST folks eyes would be ABSOLUTELY ludicrous, why not say so?? I’m just wondering perhaps if you want to be liked and accepted so much that you will go along with anything, know what I mean? Believe it or not, I used to be this way, but now, I am ME. I have to say what I think. Renee: Please answer this in ALL HONESTY. Remember all the information I posted last night about the effects of marijuana on the body/mind? Do you still have the same opinion that BabyMash should ‘go for it’ after reading what I posted, if you did read it? If you didn’t read it, I would as it is VERY informative. Also, answer me this: Do you think that a person should diagnose themselves with PTSD? Should they NOT take meds, or receive treatment? Please be honest with me about this, and screw what the ‘next person might think.’ What do YOU think, in all honesty? Luanne
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>Sally, this is not real life treatment. This is a ng. In real life you would >not be on your own if you sought therapy, medication or group therapy.
Thanks for saying it better than I can. Lu
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LuanneP wrote > This is what works for me. I call it like I see it. I call a spade a spade > and I HAVE to voice my opinion. I’m one of those who can’t keep it in.
Voicing one’s opinion is usually a good thing – but it’s all in how you do it. When you clobber someone over the head with it, you aren’t helping anyone. This letter is a really good example of you stating your opinions, and asking honest questions without doing that. Nice job! > Renee….if you see something posted on here that in MOST folks eyes would be > ABSOLUTELY ludicrous, why not say so?? I’m just wondering perhaps if you want > to be liked and accepted so much that you will go along with anything, know > what I mean?
Lu, we just really differ on this. I don’t believe that I am qualified to have any rights to tell someone what is right for them – I have no idea most of the time if meds or therapy is best for someone. Sure, sometimes it’s more clear. I respect each of us to set up our own treatment programs and act in our own best interest. I’m not going to tell anyone what to do. I am not interested in being liked or accepted, though obviously, we all want this in some area of our lives. This is honestly how I feel – ‘to each their own’. I try not to be judgemental. I try to look at all sides. I try not to think that just because something worked for me or is true for me that it must be true for everyone – that is simply not the case. We are all individuals. > Remember all the information I posted last night about the effects of marijuana > on the body/mind? Do you still have the same opinion that BabyMash should ‘go > for it’ after reading what I posted, if you did read it? If you didn’t read > it, I would as it is VERY informative.
I didn’t read all of it. Documentation can be submitted to support any opinion, and how I feel about it personally (for my life, my situation, my treatment) is most important to me. We are all responsible for making educated decisions regarding our personal treatment. Lu, I’m still not convinced that you heard me, or understand my point of view on this. You may want to re-read that portion of my last letter for clarification. > Also, answer me this: Do you think that a person should diagnose themselves > with PTSD? Should they NOT take meds, or receive treatment? Please be honest > with me about this, and screw what the ‘next person might think.’ What do YOU > think, in all honesty?
Lu, in all honesty, warning bells are going off in my head right now. I’m wondering "If I answer this, will you use it against me forever, as you have in the past when we have disagreed?" I hope not. I’m trusting you not to. I’m asking you to try to respect my point of view, as I am trying to respect yours. I believe we are all mature intelligent adults who are capable of gathering information and making educated decisions regarding our own treatment. I am convinced that each of us is doing the best we can with what we’ve got to work with. I believe that I do not, and indeed, CANNOT know what is right or proper for anyone else. Sure, I think that treatment is appropriate – some people might not be able to deal with that right now. so what? I have taken a lot of heat for not being on meds – so what? Each of us has secrets from ourselves, things we are not ready to know. So we take some time… so what? I don’t understand why anyone would care what kind of treatment I am receiving in minute detail, or tell me what is right for me. No one can possibly know except me, and perhaps my doctor. For anyone else to think they do is pure arrogance. Anyone so concerned about what I am doing is not focusing on their own treatment. I do not like generalizations like "everyone should be on meds", "everyone should be in therapy", or "everyone should have a certified diagnosis before reading this NG". It doesn’t really matter. What matters is that in this supportive forum, we are here to support each other. That’s the focus, that’s the goal. However it happens. Telling someone what to do and then berating them for not doing it is not support. If I was really concerned about popularity, I would have agreed with everything you said. take care, Renee It’s not how many times you fall down, it’s how many times you get up that matters
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Kristine said: > Sally, maybe your needs are too much for a ng right now? There are books you > can purchase about PTSD and you can work through them with your husband. I did > this in conjunction w/therapy and it was a good thing for us. To say you need > this ng is tough…because its not possible to get the kind of help someone > with PTSD needs HERE. Alone. There are many other modes of treatment that are > truly needed. You can do some of them on your own. Having a supportive husband > helps.
…some really good points. I am wondering about your expectations for this group, and if they are appropriate. At the same time, being in a position to always defend yourself is not what we are about either, so I think we all have some room to grow on this one. JD wrote: > I beleive knowing the truth will help set you free. What harm is there in > being evaluated and given suggestions of what will help you. Whether it be > meds, therapy or just a support group. > Go for it. Go for the truth.
When you say things like this, I understand and appreciate that you are trying to be supportive and encouraging…. but what comes across is that you aren’t listening to what she was saying. She is too afraid of people, too afraid of what will come up in therapy and she is not ready now. She is not saying she doesn’t ever want to, but that the fear is paralyzing. Sally, I understand that your fear is preventing you from doing this right now, and that you must have considered every possibility. You have probably already thought of taking someone with you to the psychiatrist (female) so that you would feel safer, and not dealing with therapy at all right now, but perhaps somewhere down the line. You have probably considered calling your personal doctor and talking with that person over the phone. What I am wondering is: how can we support you without enabling you to stay sick? How can we encourage you while honoring you? And perhaps most importantly: how can we help you? take care, Renee It’s not how many times you fall down, it’s how many times you get up that matters
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>I didn’t read all of it.
Why not? You read all of everything else I post. I think what I posted about pot pretty much said it all. If you don’t have a background of drug/alcohol abuse, then possibly, I can understand why you might tell someone to ‘go for it’ but hopefully, if you read what I posted, which was updated, factual information about self-medicating with pot, then you would give that advice to anyone. If I told you that I am suicidal, my meds are not working, and I am going to tie a brick around my ankle and jump off the pier, would you say ‘go for it – whatever works for you?’ Basically, the pot will ruin your brain, so you are more or less saying the same thing. >We are all responsible for making >educated decisions regarding our personal treatment.
So, are you saying that somebody should NOT seek treatment – that this newsgroup is treatment enough for PTSD? Please clarify. >Lu, in all honesty, warning bells are going off in my head right now. I’m >wondering "If I answer this, will you use it against me forever, as you have
Use what against you? In other words, do you have a guilty conscience about your feelings towards others and what they do about their PTSD? Do you think that they should not see a doctor, breathe-breathe, and smoke dope to ease the symptoms? This is what I want answered. Quit beating around the bush. >I am >convinced that each of us is doing the best we can with what we’ve got to >work with.
If somebody is NOT seeking solutions for their PTSD, then they are NOT doing the best that they can, IMHO. I hate to say this Renee, but the fact that you do not take meds for you PTSD will mean a long, long fight for disability benefits. I can’t speak for SS, but from the VA point of view, a long, long fight. I have a dear friend who has physical as well as mental probs, and she just had her re-evaluation. They gave her holy heck over it, and this gal has doctor appointments at LEAST twice a week, plus she is on numerous meds for her physical ailments which include chronic-fatigue syndrome, Heptatitis C, cervical cancer, PLUS PTSD. They tried to say she was capable of working, and she had to get an attorney to fight. Just to let you know what is in store. Luanne
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LuanneP wrote > >I didn’t read all of it. > Why not? You read all of everything else I post. I think what I posted about > pot pretty much said it all. If you don’t have a background of drug/alcohol > abuse, then possibly, I can understand why you might tell someone to ‘go for > it’ but hopefully, if you read what I posted, which was updated, factual > information about self-medicating with pot, then you would give that advice to > anyone.
To be honest, I wasn’t interested. And no, I don’t read everything that you or anyone else posts. To assume that I do is inaccurate. To assume that I don’t have a background of drug or alcohol abuse is inaccurate. You seem to make a lot of assumptions without asking for any clarification or even information, Lu. And for the LAST TIME, I did not tell anyone to ‘go for it.’ Sheesh Lu, let it go already. The horse is dead. > If I told you that I am suicidal, my meds are not working, and I am going to > tie a brick around my ankle and jump off the pier, would you say ‘go for it – > whatever works for you?’ Basically, the pot will ruin your brain, so you are > more or less saying the same thing.
This is too asinine to reply to. I don’t understand why I am not allowed to have my own opinions here, when you are so freely share your own. We CAN disagree, Lu, and it doesn’t make either of us wrong or right. Let it go. > >We are all responsible for making > >educated decisions regarding our personal treatment. > So, are you saying that somebody should NOT seek treatment – that this > newsgroup is treatment enough for PTSD? Please clarify.
I am saying, again, that we are all intelligent mature adults capable of making our own treatment decisions. I believe that we are all doing the best we can with what we’ve got – even you Lu, even me. I am not going to make any sweeping generalizations about How It Should Be for Everyone. I don’t feel qualified. I am too busy trying to figure myself out to know what’s best for anyone else. > >Lu, in all honesty, warning bells are going off in my head right now. I’m > >wondering "If I answer this, will you use it against me forever, as you have > Use what against you? In other words, do you have a guilty conscience about > your feelings towards others and what they do about their PTSD? Do you think > that they should not see a doctor, breathe-breathe, and smoke dope to ease the > symptoms? This is what I want answered. Quit beating around the bush.
In the same words, you have consistantly and without mercy the last 7 months have used my words against me in a twisted manner. There is a clear history of that – check dejanews. My conscience is quite clear, thank you for your concern. My opinions are quite clear, and consistant. I don’t understand what you are still confused about. I sense that you are seeking an argument here to use against me. WE DISAGREE. IT HAPPENS. GET OVER IT. MOVE ON. I can’t help but wonder what you are avoiding looking at in your own life to focus so much on this inconsequential matter. It is really irrelevant, but I appreciate you taking such an interest in my opinions. > I hate to say this Renee, but the fact that you > do not take meds for you PTSD will mean a long, long fight for disability > benefits.
I appreciate your opinion. I am aware of anyone’s chances of getting approved for DI the first time, indeed, ever, with mental rather than physical illnesses. take care, Renee It’s not how many times you fall down, it’s how many times you get up that matters
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>And for the LAST TIME, I did not tell anyone to ‘go for it.’ Sheesh Lu, let >it go already. The horse is dead.
That is exactly what you said. Shall I find the post and show you? >This is too asinine to reply to.
Well, you telling someone to use pot was pretty assinine too, IMHO. >I don’t understand why I am not allowed to have my own opinions here, when >you are so freely share your own.
I have asked you to SHARE your opinions, but apparently, you do not want to answer me. >I am saying, again, that we are all intelligent mature adults capable of >making our own treatment decisions. I believe that we are all doing the >best we can with what we’ve got – even you Lu, even me.
Again, how can one be doing the best they can if they are NOT seeking treatment? You do NOT seem to be answering my question….. >I am too busy trying to figure myself out to know >what’s best for anyone else.
Well, you counsel a lot of folks on here, so you must be trying to help them figure out what is BEST for them. If you are so busy, why post so much? >My conscience is quite clear, thank you for your concern.
If I gave a suicidal person the advice that you gave, I wouldn’t have a clear conscience. >I appreciate your opinion. I am aware of anyone’s chances of getting >approved for DI the first time, indeed, ever, with mental rather than >physical illnesses.
Be prepared for a BIG round of fights…especially without meds. I hope your hubby has medical insurance. Lu
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This conversation is no longer productive and I am removing myself from it. I have said and re-said all I have to say. You will take my words and twist them however you wish, and I will not be fuel for your attacks anymore. Lu, let’s agree to disagree, and move on. I’d like for that to be peacefully, but if it can’t, let’s go back to the original plan of staying out of each other’s hair. enough said, Renee
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>This conversation is no longer productive and I am removing myself from it.
You won’t answer straight forward easy questions??? They were fairly simple ones, and I do not understand why you can’t answer them? So, I assume since you don’t want to answer, you feel marijuana use is okay to treat PTSD symptoms, and it is okay for someone to self-diagnose themselves when it comes to PTSD. Since you didn’t answer me, I guess this is what you really think.
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Lu, I could say anything or nothing and you would still twist it and make your assumptions. I’m not willing to play that game anymore. Say whatever you will, they are your words, not mine. I have made myself perfectly clear in answering your questions below – review my posts. good-bye Renee LuanneP <luan…@aol.comet> wrote in message
news:19990618140520.01368.00001899@ng-ch1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >This conversation is no longer productive and I am removing myself from it. > You won’t answer straight forward easy questions??? They were fairly simple > ones, and I do not understand why you can’t answer them? > So, I assume since you don’t want to answer, you feel marijuana use is okay to > treat PTSD symptoms, and it is okay for someone to self-diagnose themselves > when it comes to PTSD. Since you didn’t answer me, I guess this is what you > really think.
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This letter is to no one in particular, and everyone in general. I do not understand the need to attack, criticize, or name-call someone for trying to help. It would seem to be the purpose of this group, to support and help each other, yet whenever anyone tries to do that, they are flamed into submission. Could someone please explain this to me? It has not gone unnoticed that when I asked how people here feel supported, only one person answered. It tells me that many are either to afraid to post, or don’t know it when they are being supported, or both. It is often easier to look at someone else’s problems than my own.. I have found that when I am focusing too much outside of me, it means I am not doing the work myself. I thank this group for this lesson, though I wish it could have come at a lower price. I’ve spent the last 3 weeks in a kind of hell I could not have imagined. However, I tend to post when I am feeling positive. I tend not to share much of what is inside of me for many reasons – I have been trained through the years of abuse that by doing so I prolong my abuse. And unfortunately, I have found that to be the case here, as well, more often than I like to admit (to myself). The more I post, the more I share of myself, the more viciously and unmercilessly I am attacked. I WANT to get better. I WANT to live a more normal life. I cannot discuss that here because i get attacked everytime I try, without fail. Without mercy. This is not been a safe place to share victories – it is rarely a safe place to share pain. The only thing that is freely shared here is rage. I’d like to see more balance, but I am afraid to say so. Why on earth would I share my struggle here? Why would anyone? Yet that is supposedly why we are here. I hope that those of you who are confused can listen to what I am trying to say, to what Sally has been trying to say, Nancy, and others….. and that we can question each other, and sometimes even disagree without flames or name-calling. I hope that we can make this a safer place to post for us All. cease fire? please? take care, Renee When the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to treat everything like a nail. When you are going through hell, keep moving!
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>I’m too frightened to go to a therapist because if you put me into a room >with a >male that I don’t know face to face I freak and think he’s going to pull out
Again, if you feel you have PTSD – GET TREATMENT. We cannot give you treatment on this newsgroup. Also, from my own personal point of view, after being sexually assaulted THREE TIMES, the second, being a gang rape, I am surprised that you are even married. According to my therapist, women who have gone through sexual assaults rarely marry. I am 42 years old, and alone. I intend to be that way for the rest of my life, trying to cope, but I believe there is hope for me because I do receive treatment. Now, I do not post to the newsgroup alt.schizophrenia because I have not been diagnosed with it. As for why you are here, and you refuse to seek help, I do not know. I know people who are alcoholics, and admit they are alcoholics. Since they are NOT seeking treatment for their disease, I avoid them. I am not drinking/using anymore and I do not think that we have anything in common with them. They know something is wrong with them, but they refuse to get help??? Shit or get off the pot, for crying out loud. More people might want to listen to you if you knew you were for real. As far as I am concerned, you misrepresented yourself when you joined my mailing list. That list was for folks DIAGONOSED with PTSD. You have not been. Yet, you monopolized that list with your countless postings, going off-topic talking about ‘puppies peeing in purses.’ Why don’t you find yourself a woman therapist or a woman psychiatrist? They do exist, and I have had them myself. Believe it or not, I found that I did well with a male therapist, but he had also had years of experience with PTSD victims. This is only my take on it. It is hard to feel sympathy/empathy for anyone who does not take action for their condition. Even poor Galin finally got himself to a doctor and received treatment. He is currently working on getting out of his living situation, which triggers him, and I have seen improvement in him since he first appeared on this group. Now, I also believe that Galin has other problems too, but he IS a SOLUTION SEEKER!!! He got off his ass, and did something about his problem, instead of pissing and moaning to everyone else about it. The same with the vast majority of this newsgroup. Best, Luanne
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Okay Sally, never mind what I wrote. You are in a position of being defensive and don’t seem to be able to hear what I was trying to say, in a positive way. I won’t make any suggestions, since that’s what you’re demanding. But isn’t that the whole theme here…"don’t respond to me" "don’t attack me" For Christ’s sake, I am not the enemy. I have lurked and posted here on and off for this year. I was trying to be helpful, but you are in a defensive mode and didn’t hear what I was saying. Leave it alone then. I will leave it alone. Kristine – unable to get through if you aren’t able to listen
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