Trauma – PTSD

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Gee Pooh – your therapist sounds creepy, and maybe even greedy.  If you are having  this much trouble, maybe its time to find some one better, who knows how to educate you to think with optimism instead of hopelessness. Best wishes – BP. PoohnHdng <poohnh…@aol.com> wrote in article <19980110111101.GAA08…@ladder01.news.aol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been having a hard time the past week, my whole future is falling down > infront of my face….and I’m scared……scared more than i’ve ever > been….Problem is, I’m so used to hiding my fears that no one sees the pain > inside me…they think I’m "fine"……..I couldn’t be farther…..I’ve got no > one to talk to,, yes I have frends but I dont’ want to burden them, or hurt > them….so I keep it inside….I tried to kill myself last wekend…shot a .38 > cal round into the cealing, freaked out my dogs…which immediatlely calmed me > down…..I hid my gun so well from me, that I can’t find it…talk aboput > scary….my counselor who really doesn’t lnow about this, want me to do self > commital, and I WILL NEVER DO INVOLUNTAREY COMMITTAL…..I know the buzz words > won’t happen….I’m too proud….so I may take the dogs with me….and > flee…who knows…but it wont’ be by gun…can’t find it…too > bad….Pooh…..who’s hurting alot

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Hi Pooh, Sounds like a pretty average day to me. But if you cant tell the counselor all this stuff you need a new counselor. If you do do-a-runner I am sure the dogs will be excellent company. But you will need to find the gun first so you can shoot them some tucker. In my sojourns in the mountains I have met quite a few guys living wild with just their dog and their gun. And they never mentioned why except for mumbling something about looking for gold. regards Yhek – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -PoohnHdng wrote: > I’ve been having a hard time the past week, my whole future is falling down > infront of my face….and I’m scared……scared more than i’ve ever > been….Problem is, I’m so used to hiding my fears that no one sees the pain > inside me…they think I’m "fine"……..I couldn’t be farther…..I’ve got no > one to talk to,, yes I have frends but I dont’ want to burden them, or hurt > them….so I keep it inside….I tried to kill myself last wekend…shot a .38 > cal round into the cealing, freaked out my dogs…which immediatlely calmed me > down…..I hid my gun so well from me, that I can’t find it…talk aboput > scary….my counselor who really doesn’t lnow about this, want me to do self > commital, and I WILL NEVER DO INVOLUNTAREY COMMITTAL…..I know the buzz words > won’t happen….I’m too proud….so I may take the dogs with me….and > flee…who knows…but it wont’ be by gun…can’t find it…too > bad….Pooh…..who’s hurting alot

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Paul – thanks for your reply.  You took a very sad, and terrible situation and put a smile on my face…….I guess the prospect of being a hermit in the woods with my dogs wasn’t real promising…..thankyou…..Pooh

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On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:02:13 -0800, kipco <ki…@cris.com> wrote:

-=>Hi PoohnHdng! -=>….I tried to kill myself last wekend…shot a .38 -=>> cal round into the cealing, freaked out my dogs…which immediatlely calmed me -=>> down…..I hid my gun so well from me, that I can’t find it…talk aboput -=>> scary…. -=> -=>I watched the consequences of this act destroy a fine man. Distorted -=>thinking tells me that no one would care.  I know that this thinking is -=>my ultimate revenge upon my perpetrators … but it hurts everyone left -=>behind … including the spouse(s) of unintended ‘victims’. -=> -=>And, what if the Eastern cultures are correct?  I’d just have to repeat -=>this PTSD in another life until I ‘got it right’.  Not a good thought. -=>:( For many years I looked at suicide as a way out of the pain.  Then I read, "Life after Life," and books like it.  Those accounts of near-death experiences said that if you committed suicide you simply took the depression, desperation, etc. with you.  After reflecting on that possibility I decided it might be easier to just deal with the horrid events of the past rather than live with them for eternity. Victoria "Lee" For address please go here: http://scican.net/~haxton/address.html

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In article <34b7943d.736…@news.netdirect.net>, C…@sig.4address (Lee) wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:02:13 -0800, kipco <ki…@cris.com> wrote: >POOH BEAR, >Please don’t do anything to harm yourself.Do anything and I mean anything

to vent these feelings. >I only (I was very young) once felt like commiting suicide and actually

attempted it. I swallowed a whole bottle of asprins thinking it was enough to do the job. Thank God it wasn’t. The next afternoon when I woke up I was awashed with the joy of being alive. I’ve always taken great joy in the sun on a clear day and corney stuff like that and that morning , to see the rose colour from behind my eye lids was the greatest thing I’d ever seen. > When things are so bad that those thoughts surface again,I try to

re-experience that feeling and that renews my hope.Sadly I,ve lost people that meant a great dael to me, bvut they were gone before I could ever tell them how I felt. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Now I realise that more than being afraid of dying, I’m terrofied of not living. >I hope someday you;ll fel the same way. >Mary > -=>Hi PoohnHdng!

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Thanks for your replies so far. Andy

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I’ve been having a hard time the past week, my whole future is falling down infront of my face….and I’m scared……scared more than i’ve ever been….Problem is, I’m so used to hiding my fears that no one sees the pain inside me…they think I’m "fine"……..I couldn’t be farther…..I’ve got no one to talk to,, yes I have frends but I dont’ want to burden them, or hurt them….so I keep it inside….I tried to kill myself last wekend…shot a .38 cal round into the cealing, freaked out my dogs…which immediatlely calmed me down…..I hid my gun so well from me, that I can’t find it…talk aboput scary….my counselor who really doesn’t lnow about this, want me to do self commital, and I WILL NEVER DO INVOLUNTAREY COMMITTAL…..I know the buzz words won’t happen….I’m too proud….so I may take the dogs with me….and flee…who knows…but it wont’ be by gun…can’t find it…too bad….Pooh…..who’s hurting alot

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Hi PoohnHdng! Just some thoughts for you to ponder follow.  They are from my experience.  Take what you like and leave the rest. > I’ve been having a hard time the past week, my whole future is falling down > infront of my face….and I’m scared……scared more than i’ve ever > been….

I cannot see my future, only my ideas of what my future holds.  As I now know that my PTSD ideas often result from my ‘distorted thinking’, I am putting less faith in my ideas of what my future holds.  My Higher Power knows, but I don’t. I just know my fears. Problem is, I’m so used to hiding my fears that no one sees the pain > inside me…they think I’m "fine"……..I couldn’t be farther…..I’ve got no > one to talk to,, yes I have frends but I dont’ want to burden them, or hurt > them….so I keep it inside

Isolating ourselves from face to face support is a learned response.  We can change this distorted thinking when we are ready to change.  If there is some special reason you decided to not talk to your counselor when these feelings arise, you might want to find another one.  You also might want to post a suicide hot line number near your telephone, if you don’t belong to any support group. ….I tried to kill myself last wekend…shot a .38 > cal round into the cealing, freaked out my dogs…which immediatlely calmed me > down…..I hid my gun so well from me, that I can’t find it…talk aboput > scary….

I watched the consequences of this act destroy a fine man. Distorted thinking tells me that no one would care.  I know that this thinking is my ultimate revenge upon my perpetrators … but it hurts everyone left behind … including the spouse(s) of unintended ‘victims’. And, what if the Eastern cultures are correct?  I’d just have to repeat this PTSD in another life until I ‘got it right’.  Not a good thought. my counselor who really doesn’t lnow about this, want me to do self > commital, and I WILL NEVER DO INVOLUNTAREY COMMITTAL…..I know the buzz words > won’t happen….I’m too proud….so I may take the dogs with me….and > flee…who knows

No matter where I’ve gone, I’ve been there  I looked for peace in about 18 countries on 4 continents.  It’s not possible to get away from myself.  Peace comes from within, not without. Thank goodness, no matter where I go now, there is someone who will help me when I am ready to accept help.  Helpers for me have been ministers, other women who believe that I am valuable when I don’t believe it, my 16 yo who has different observations on events than I do, my dentist, my family doctor, my dermatologist etc.  When some possible ‘helpers’ have tried to steal my energy (such as it is), I’ve learned to stay away from them.  And, with the ‘real’ helpers’ comments, I am finding some new ways to see myself and events around me. It is taking me longer than many others to follow this path to peace, I admit.  My therapist keeps insisting that this is not a ‘race’ to inner peace, but that I move as fast as I can, and make changes as I am ready to make changes.   Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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Are there any herbal medicines effective for ptsd symptoms.Ive been told St Johns wort is good…

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AndyElgin wrote: > Are there any herbal medicines effective for ptsd symptoms.Ive been told St > Johns wort is good…

I attended a lecture by a pharmacologist a couple weeks ago. One of the things discussed was herbal remedies for anxiety, depression, PTSD, etc. She indicated that many of the herbal remedies are used in Europe for things we use meds for here. She said the problem their research is showing with herbal remedies is that since they are not regulated by the FDA or anyone else, they are finding that each capsule/pill/powder/etc is inconsistent in it’s quantity of the herb, that there are other ingrediants mixed in, in various quantities. In other words, there’s no quality control on herbs in the USA. She mentioned St. John’s Wort specifically. My understanding of St. John’s Wort is it is an anti-depressant of the tri-cyclic anti-depressant variety (as opposed to an MAO inhibitor, or SSRI like Prozac). I recently did some research on several herbs, one of which was Kava Kava. It’s a root from the South Pacific that causes symptoms similar to alcohol. It’s available here as a health food herb, in many markets. I discovered that the consistency of the Kava in each product varied greatly, and some companies gave a list of additional ingrediants, some did not. Only one company (out of 5) warned about mixing it with alcohol, depressants, or driving when using it. There have been several articles on St. John’s Wort. In Europe I understand there is more quality control and it is used widely instead of the other tricyclic anti-depresants. I also hear they use copious amounts of vitamin C to combat anxiety, though I know little about the meds in Europe. A word of caution. Be real careful playing around with herbs. Some have been found to have serious reactions when mixed with other medications. Jim

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I was at Crown Books yesterday and saw two paperback books specifically and exclusively on the use of St. John’s Wort and depression. Neither seemed well written, more like overviews with a lot of quoting other people’s opinions. I just sent off for an article on St. John’s Wort. If there’s enough interest, I’ll scan it and post it here. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -AndyElgin wrote: > Are there any herbal medicines effective for ptsd symptoms.Ive been told St > Johns wort is good…

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Hi Jim! The thing that worries me about even trying to use these, especially St. John’s wort, is that the commercial stuff in the USA doesn’t seem to have any quality control.  Some of the reports I have looked at indicate that the dosage levels vary all over the map. I was looking at this as my son was refusing any meds and couldn’t sleep at night. I took him to his family doctor instead, and he’s now on ’sleeping pills which don’t have the name Zoloft or Prozac’.  To quote a lot of parents … I HATE TEENAGERS. The reports seem to be coming out of Germany, primarily.  I understand that quality control of herbal remedies is different in the EU. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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