Hello, I just found your group last night. I believe I have PTSD from my days in the US Army during the Cold War ( Germany 84-86). I am still having problems at my job, and I am just now ready to seek professional help. I am wondering what can I expect as a way of therapy?  I will be going thru my healthcare provider, Kaiser-CA.

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Steve510 wrote: > Hello, I just found your group last night. I believe I have PTSD from > my days in the US Army during the Cold War ( Germany 84-86). I am still > having problems at my job, and I am just now ready to seek professional > help. I am wondering what can I expect as a way of therapy?  I will be > going thru my healthcare provider, Kaiser-CA.

Hello Steve, I’m not a vet, also I have just acknowledged that I suffer PTSD. Also I’m a new member too. I’m sure other members can help you, and will get back to you. The reason I’m posting now is that it is 2.17am in Australia and I’m feeling rather lonely and panicky. I’ll probably crash soon. cheers Bevan

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> Hello, I just found your group last night. I believe I have PTSD from > my days in the US Army during the Cold War ( Germany 84-86). I am still > having problems at my job, and I am just now ready to seek professional > help. I am wondering what can I expect as a way of therapy?  I will be > going thru my healthcare provider, Kaiser-CA.

Hello, Steve Finding a good therapist is your best bet to recovery….and there is healing!  For me, I’ve had days where it was 2 steps back and 1 step forward….so it became important to me to remember to keep going forward….to keep getting up even when I just wanted to stop and say the heck with it.  My faith has kept hope alive. Welcome to this newsgroup. Donna

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Hi Steve! Welcome. First of all you are not alone. That’s important to remember. Second, there is help. That’s also important to remember. You have asked for help and are seeking therapy.  This is good, Steve.  It’s never too late to start in my opinion. There is no one way to recover, just the same way that there isn’t one event or series of events that causes PTSD. There is helpful literature (one book I’ve always liked is I Can’t Get over It: A Handbook for Trauma Survivors, by A. Matsakis), there are doctors, there are medications (I’ve taken many different combinations over the years), EMDR works for some(it helped me), and there are ways — some alternative — to learning how to live one day at a time with PTSD.  Remember also that there are doctors who absolutely DO NOT have a clue. Took me 20 years to find the right doctors, get the right diagnosis (PTSD and DID), get the right meds, etc., etc.  That’s why I wrote that it’s never too late. Finding balance is still an issue for me. Probably will be forever…and that’s OK. Funny what helps (full spectrum lighting, Monty Python, pets, sleep, good nutrition, yoga, etc.) Welcome Steve, and good luck. There’s lots of wisdom to be found here at times.  You are not alone. Anne on the prairie still surviving and loving the spring

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Hi Steve! > Hello, I just found your group last night. I believe I have PTSD from > my days in the US Army during the Cold War ( Germany 84-86).

Welcome home.  You do know, don’t you, that you do not have to have been in a combat zone to get PTSD?  And, you do know, that generally the most knowledgeable PTSD care in the U.S.A. is at your local VA center? For example:  I was never in a combat zone when I was on active duty.   However, when I went to the VA ER for some medications for something else, the MD quickly triaged me into a PTSD evaluation, and I started getting help that afternoon, about 25 years after I ETS. At the time, I did not realize I was showing PTSD symptoms.  I still am a little clueless about why the ER MD sent me for a mental health eval, but, perhaps something in his experience with vets made him wonder. The cost for service-connected visits is zero-nada-free.  If they later decide that your condition is not service connected, they will bill your health insurance provider and you pay the standard co-pay (that’s the way it was explained to me, anyway). > I am still > having problems at my job, and I am just now ready to seek professional > help. I am wondering what can I expect as a way of therapy?  I will be > going thru my healthcare provider, Kaiser-CA.

I am clueless on this one.  I had been seen by Kaiser MDs locally for about 10 years, and not one ever sent me for a mental health eval.  Maybe they are more knowledgeable in CA. Good luck in your search for mental health! Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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news:1113407635.525257.71190@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > Hello, I just found your group last night. I believe I have PTSD from > my days in the US Army during the Cold War ( Germany 84-86). I am still > having problems at my job, and I am just now ready to seek professional > help. I am wondering what can I expect as a way of therapy?  I will be > going thru my healthcare provider, Kaiser-CA.

Hi Steve, I saw scads of therapists before I found someone who really helped for my PTSD.  I may be able to save you some time.  It’s my belief that trauma therapy requires a specific set of skills that I don’t think everybody with a Ph.D. in psychology posesses.  I saw several good therapists who were helpful for other stuff before I saw my PTSD therapist, but they did not help me with the PTSD.  My advice is to find someone who is specifically trained in treating PTSD, and who specializes in it.  I was suicidal from childhood until I worked with the PTSD therapist, and now I have been pretty stable since then (13 years now).  By stable I mean I can be pretty moody, but I have had absolutely no thoughts of harming myself, and I have been able to work and to be a good wife and mother. These are interesting links. http://www.traumatologyacademy.org/fellows.htm http://www.traumatologyacademy.org/COCA/about.html http://www.traumatologyacademy.org/certification.htm This is my former psychologist’s web site http://www.aas.duke.edu/directories/deans/roth.html When you go for the initial visit at Kaiser, tell the psychologist that you want to see someone who is trained in treating PTSD, preferably someone who specializes in it.  If you don’t click with that person, move on until you find somebody who feels right, who is also a trauma therapist. Let us know what happens.  Good luck! –Patti

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -p fogg wrote: > "Steve510" <redleg…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:1113407635.525257.71190@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > > Hello, I just found your group last night. I believe I have PTSD from > > my days in the US Army during the Cold War ( Germany 84-86). I am still > > having problems at my job, and I am just now ready to seek professional > > help. I am wondering what can I expect as a way of therapy?  I will be > > going thru my healthcare provider, Kaiser-CA. > Hi Steve, > I saw scads of therapists before I found someone who really helped for my > PTSD.  I may be able to save you some time.  It’s my belief that trauma > therapy requires a specific set of skills that I don’t think everybody with > a Ph.D. in psychology posesses.  I saw several good therapists who were > helpful for other stuff before I saw my PTSD therapist, but they did not > help me with the PTSD.  My advice is to find someone who is specifically > trained in treating PTSD, and who specializes in it.  I was suicidal from > childhood until I worked with the PTSD therapist, and now I have been pretty > stable since then (13 years now).  By stable I mean I can be pretty moody, > but I have had absolutely no thoughts of harming myself, and I have been > able to work and to be a good wife and mother. > These are interesting links. > http://www.traumatologyacademy.org/fellows.htm > http://www.traumatologyacademy.org/COCA/about.html > http://www.traumatologyacademy.org/certification.htm > This is my former psychologist’s web site > http://www.aas.duke.edu/directories/deans/roth.html > When you go for the initial visit at Kaiser, tell the psychologist that you > want to see someone who is trained in treating PTSD, preferably someone who > specializes in it.  If you don’t click with that person, move on until you > find somebody who feels right, who is also a trauma therapist. > Let us know what happens.  Good luck! > –Patti

I talked to a screener, and they are already avoiding my PTSD. They want to focus on anger. I told them I sense you will waste my time.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Nancy wrote: > Hi Steve! > > Hello, I just found your group last night. I believe I have PTSD from > > my days in the US Army during the Cold War ( Germany 84-86). > Welcome home.  You do know, don’t you, that you do not have to have been > in a combat zone to get PTSD?  And, you do know, that generally the most > knowledgeable PTSD care in the U.S.A. is at your local VA center? > For example:  I was never in a combat zone when I was on active duty. > However, when I went to the VA ER for some medications for something > else, the MD quickly triaged me into a PTSD evaluation, and I started > getting help that afternoon, about 25 years after I ETS.

What are are the PTSD traits? I had a series of stressful incidents in the Army.  The one that creates flashbacks is REFORGER 1985. I was decorated with a medal for a job well done, but I keep reliving the moment. A therapist told me I do this because I keep thinking I let my fellow troops down, but in reality I did the best I could with what I had. Thats all the Army can ask. Another therapist said I relive the moment because its a moment of great achievement, and I enjoyed the honor and recognition. They both make sense.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -bckwrds wrote: > > What are are the PTSD traits? > > I had a series of stressful incidents in the Army.  The one that > > creates flashbacks is REFORGER 1985. I was decorated with a medal for a > > job well done, but I keep reliving the moment. A therapist told me I do > > this because I keep thinking I let my fellow troops down, but in > > reality I did the best I could with what I had. Thats all the Army can > > ask. Another therapist said I relive the moment because its a moment of > > great achievement, and I enjoyed the honor and recognition. > > They both make sense. > How old were you in ‘85?  Is that "part" of you stuck at that age > and so you’re reliving it over and over again?  For me, self talk > helped a lot.  I had to let that part of me who was there and experience > the trauma first hand know that it was my turn to handle it. > Intellectually, I know it was me that the trauma happened to.  But > it was like I was literally "stuck" in the time frame of my life when > it happened and so whenever I had those flashbacks, I was there > all over again and that same age.  Until I brought that event to "today" > I kept reliving it over and over again…..and THEN I could deal > with it and heal. > Hope this makes sense.  The mind is one amazing organ. > Donna

I was in my mid-20’s. I’m 45 now. I lost my track of time in the Army. During the Cold War overseas, we trained constantly and i spent 70% of my time in the field. When we had Alert Rollouts, you packed and armed for a war. You never know if its the real thing.  You draw weapons, jump in a vehicle, and begin the road march to your battle positions. Its repeated every month.

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> I was in my mid-20’s. I’m 45 now. I lost my track of time in the Army. > During the Cold War overseas, we trained constantly and i spent 70% of > my time in the field. When we had Alert Rollouts, you packed and armed > for a war. You never know if its the real thing.  You draw weapons, > jump in a vehicle, and begin the road march to your battle positions. > Its repeated every month.

VA is your best bet as Nancy suggested.  I have no doubt that they’ll take good care of you. Donna

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Steve510 wrote: > bckwrds wrote: >>>What are are the PTSD traits? >>>I had a series of stressful incidents in the Army.  The one that >>>creates flashbacks is REFORGER 1985. I was decorated with a medal > for a >>>job well done, but I keep reliving the moment. A therapist told me > I do >>>this because I keep thinking I let my fellow troops down, but in >>>reality I did the best I could with what I had. Thats all the Army > can >>>ask. Another therapist said I relive the moment because its a > moment of >>>great achievement, and I enjoyed the honor and recognition. >>>They both make sense. >>How old were you in ‘85?  Is that "part" of you stuck at that age >>and so you’re reliving it over and over again?  For me, self talk >>helped a lot.  I had to let that part of me who was there and > experience >>the trauma first hand know that it was my turn to handle it. >>Intellectually, I know it was me that the trauma happened to.  But >>it was like I was literally "stuck" in the time frame of my life when >>it happened and so whenever I had those flashbacks, I was there >>all over again and that same age.  Until I brought that event to > "today" >>I kept reliving it over and over again…..and THEN I could deal >>with it and heal. >>Hope this makes sense.  The mind is one amazing organ. >>Donna > I was in my mid-20’s. I’m 45 now. I lost my track of time in the Army. > During the Cold War overseas, we trained constantly and i spent 70% of > my time in the field. When we had Alert Rollouts, you packed and armed > for a war. You never know if its the real thing.  You draw weapons, > jump in a vehicle, and begin the road march to your battle positions. > Its repeated every month.

Being constantly in readiness like that would have taken its toll on you. I guess ifs a bit like police & fire fighters. Bevan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bevan wrote: > Steve510 wrote: > > bckwrds wrote: > >>>What are are the PTSD traits? > >>>I had a series of stressful incidents in the Army.  The one that > >>>creates flashbacks is REFORGER 1985. I was decorated with a medal > > for a > >>>job well done, but I keep reliving the moment. A therapist told me > > I do > >>>this because I keep thinking I let my fellow troops down, but in > >>>reality I did the best I could with what I had. Thats all the Army > > can > >>>ask. Another therapist said I relive the moment because its a > > moment of > >>>great achievement, and I enjoyed the honor and recognition. > >>>They both make sense. > >>How old were you in ‘85?  Is that "part" of you stuck at that age > >>and so you’re reliving it over and over again?  For me, self talk > >>helped a lot.  I had to let that part of me who was there and > > experience > >>the trauma first hand know that it was my turn to handle it. > >>Intellectually, I know it was me that the trauma happened to.  But > >>it was like I was literally "stuck" in the time frame of my life when > >>it happened and so whenever I had those flashbacks, I was there > >>all over again and that same age.  Until I brought that event to > > "today" > >>I kept reliving it over and over again…..and THEN I could deal > >>with it and heal. > >>Hope this makes sense.  The mind is one amazing organ. > >>Donna > > I was in my mid-20’s. I’m 45 now. I lost my track of time in the Army. > > During the Cold War overseas, we trained constantly and i spent 70% of > > my time in the field. When we had Alert Rollouts, you packed and armed > > for a war. You never know if its the real thing.  You draw weapons, > > jump in a vehicle, and begin the road march to your battle positions. > > Its repeated every month. > Being constantly in readiness like that would have taken its toll on you. > I guess ifs a bit like police & fire fighters. > Bevan

Ready for this?  I interviewed for the job of Nuclear Duty Officer. The last guy committed suicide. They lock you in an underground steel vault, and run radio wires to 2 guys who relay fire commands to a battery of nuclear missiles. If the Russians attack, and the NATO couldn’t stop them, the Commander can OK a volley of nuclear missiles. The pressure on the two men inside that vault was intense.  This was back in 1985.

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news:1113784173.422318.223670@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ron wrote: > > > > I talked to a screener, and they are already avoiding my PTSD. > They > > > > want to focus on anger. I told them I sense you will waste my > time. > > > Typical.  They always go straight for dismantling your coping > mechanisms > > > without treating the underlying problem.  Then you are left worse > off than > > > before, because you can no longer cope. > > Hello Steve…..My experience with the VA also, they were more > concerned > > about substance "abuse" than with PTSD….and i did have the anger > > management problems addressed before PTSD…..i say, "you wanna know > why i > > am angry, why i self medicate…then help me deal with night sweats, > > reoccurring nightmares, daily flashbacks, isolation, and maybe we > wont need > > to address the issues you think are underlying my symptoms….." > > I’m a Vietnam vet, ‘67-68 in Northern I Corps….wounded during the > raid > > that overran our position…one of a few survivors…but, the VA will > not > > even talk about PTSD until you have undergone every other treatment > modality > > first. > > Thus far, I found my greatest help through "rap" groups with other > combat > > vets….there are no war stories allowed in the group, we merely > speak about > > how we are coping….I don’t know where you live, but look for a Vet > > Center…that’s what they are called here in Minnesota..and through > them, I > > have been referred to a trauma recovery program at the VA Medical > Center… > > It is damn frustrating, and a big contributor to our lack of coping > skill to > > have to jump through the AA Cult mentality….in my opinion, stay > away from > > them! They have tried, and failed, to steal my soul, the part of me > that i > > cherish and believe in the most…Welcome home Brother….you can > contact me > > off list if you wish……Ron > > ——– > So, you say stay away from therapy thru Kaiser Medical?  I sense that > ppl won’t understand. I’m afraid to talk about it. You know, an Army > Vet with anger problems?  I didn’t serve in combat, I was in Reforger > 85 in a really bad situation. I believe if it was real war, the whole > battalion would of been destroyed.

Too bad your vets group won’t let you talk about your experiences.  The trauma therapy I had was all about my traumatic experiences.  My therapist’s whole goal seemed to be to hear and understand what happened to me.  I was also in a support group of other women who had been assaulted, and we each in turn told our stories in detail.  It was very healing to hear the other women talk about their experiences because it was easy to see that they did not deserve what happened to them, so I was able to see the same was true for me.  Between the therapy and the support group, I was able to change my traumatic experiences from a central focus of my life to isolated incidents in the remote past that no longer had any significant control over me. FWIW, I had done CBT with a therapist years earlier, and I had read "Feeling Good."  It was helpful in general, but it didn’t touch my PTSD, although I understand it works for some. –Patti

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -lemond wrote: > Hi Steve, > I’ve done lots of therapy for PTSD. I think that what has been most > beneficial for me is what is called ‘cognitive behavior therapy" or CBT. > It’s a way of challenging your thinking style and trying to come up with > ways that you can take control and counter those thoughts that recur. It > shouldn’t (and hasn’t for me) been insensitive to what has happened and > shouldn’t place blame on you for not having the "right" thoughts. If you > don’t want to do emotionally intensive work, dredging up all the trauma, > this is a good type of therapy to choose. I just finished an intensive > outpatient program at the local mental health hospital and that was the > method of program they used. It was a good way to challenge my thinking in > general. That kind of therapy is based on a book called "Feeling Good" by > David Burns. It’s a popular book and should be available at your library or > local bookstore. It’s pretty cheap if you like writing in books like I do. > I’ve also had some bad experiences with some therapists who have been > insensitive to where I am what I’ve endured. I don’t want to scare you away > from trying because it is worth trying to find the right person to work > with. Just know that if the first person you see isn’t a good match, you can > keep looking for someone you can trust and work with. > I’m not sure if this helps. I hope so. Good luck. > Lemond601

Thank you.  I don’t know what it is, but I feel like I’m about to waste my time with this treatment. Maybe a book is a better idea.  I read Dianetics about 15 yrs ago.

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> > I talked to a screener, and they are already avoiding my PTSD. They > > want to focus on anger. I told them I sense you will waste my time. > Typical.  They always go straight for dismantling your coping mechanisms > without treating the underlying problem.  Then you are left worse off than > before, because you can no longer cope.

Hello Steve…..My experience with the VA also, they were more concerned about substance "abuse" than with PTSD….and i did have the anger management problems addressed before PTSD…..i say, "you wanna know why i am angry, why i self medicate…then help me deal with night sweats, reoccurring nightmares, daily flashbacks, isolation, and maybe we wont need to address the issues you think are underlying my symptoms….." I’m a Vietnam vet, ‘67-68 in Northern I Corps….wounded during the raid that overran our position…one of a few survivors…but, the VA will not even talk about PTSD until you have undergone every other treatment modality first. Thus far, I found my greatest help through "rap" groups with other combat vets….there are no war stories allowed in the group, we merely speak about how we are coping….I don’t know where you live, but look for a Vet Center…that’s what they are called here in Minnesota..and through them, I have been referred to a trauma recovery program at the VA Medical Center… It is damn frustrating, and a big contributor to our lack of coping skill to have to jump through the AA Cult mentality….in my opinion, stay away from them! They have tried, and failed, to steal my soul, the part of me that i cherish and believe in the most…Welcome home Brother….you can contact me off list if you wish……Ron ——– "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it’s victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."– C.S. Lewis

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ron wrote: > > > I talked to a screener, and they are already avoiding my PTSD. They > > > want to focus on anger. I told them I sense you will waste my time. > > Typical.  They always go straight for dismantling your coping mechanisms > > without treating the underlying problem.  Then you are left worse off than > > before, because you can no longer cope. > Hello Steve…..My experience with the VA also, they were more concerned > about substance "abuse" than with PTSD….and i did have the anger > management problems addressed before PTSD…..i say, "you wanna know why i > am angry, why i self medicate…then help me deal with night sweats, > reoccurring nightmares, daily flashbacks, isolation, and maybe we wont need > to address the issues you think are underlying my symptoms….." > I’m a Vietnam vet, ‘67-68 in Northern I Corps….wounded during the raid > that overran our position…one of a few survivors…but, the VA will not > even talk about PTSD until you have undergone every other treatment modality > first. > Thus far, I found my greatest help through "rap" groups with other combat > vets….there are no war stories allowed in the group, we merely speak about > how we are coping….I don’t know where you live, but look for a Vet > Center…that’s what they are called here in Minnesota..and through them, I > have been referred to a trauma recovery program at the VA Medical Center… > It is damn frustrating, and a big contributor to our lack of coping skill to > have to jump through the AA Cult mentality….in my opinion, stay away from > them! They have tried, and failed, to steal my soul, the part of me that i > cherish and believe in the most…Welcome home Brother….you can contact me > off list if you wish……Ron > ——–

So, you say stay away from therapy thru Kaiser Medical?  I sense that ppl won’t understand. I’m afraid to talk about it. You know, an Army Vet with anger problems?  I didn’t serve in combat, I was in Reforger 85 in a really bad situation. I believe if it was real war, the whole battalion would of been destroyed.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Nancy wrote: > Hi Steve! > > I talked to a screener, and they are already avoiding my PTSD. They > > want to focus on anger. I told them I sense you will waste my time. > Mostly, with screeners in civilian or military mental health units, it is > important to ’share’ myself.  IME, it has always been best to show them > ‘who I am’ rather than try to give them a diagnosis. > Unfortunately, PTSD is very ‘trendy’ right now.  The term is being thrown > around on TV shows inappropriately (less than 6 months after a trauma, > someone can have PTSD according to Law & Order Special Victims Unit). > And, there are a lot of rumors about ‘making money’ with the diagnosis. > Social Security and the VA both regard PTSD as a disability with the > possibility of ‘free’ money. > YMMV > Smile and there will be something to smile about! > Nancy

I actually think my Army experience made me a better person. I was a shy kid when I was 19. The Army gave me confidence, strength, and leadership skills. The problems I have probably come from my lack of social skills. The Army’s warrior culture doesn’t blend well with non-vets.  I dunno….sometimes I think I’m lucky the way things turned out.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Steve510 wrote: > Bevan wrote: >>Steve510 wrote: >>>bckwrds wrote: >>>>>What are are the PTSD traits? >>>>>I had a series of stressful incidents in the Army.  The one that >>>>>creates flashbacks is REFORGER 1985. I was decorated with a medal >>>for a >>>>>job well done, but I keep reliving the moment. A therapist told me >>>I do >>>>>this because I keep thinking I let my fellow troops down, but in >>>>>reality I did the best I could with what I had. Thats all the Army >>>can >>>>>ask. Another therapist said I relive the moment because its a >>>moment of >>>>>great achievement, and I enjoyed the honor and recognition. >>>>>They both make sense. >>>>How old were you in ‘85?  Is that "part" of you stuck at that age >>>>and so you’re reliving it over and over again?  For me, self talk >>>>helped a lot.  I had to let that part of me who was there and >>>experience >>>>the trauma first hand know that it was my turn to handle it. >>>>Intellectually, I know it was me that the trauma happened to.  But >>>>it was like I was literally "stuck" in the time frame of my life > when >>>>it happened and so whenever I had those flashbacks, I was there >>>>all over again and that same age.  Until I brought that event to >>>"today" >>>>I kept reliving it over and over again…..and THEN I could deal >>>>with it and heal. >>>>Hope this makes sense.  The mind is one amazing organ. >>>>Donna >>>I was in my mid-20’s. I’m 45 now. I lost my track of time in the > Army. >>>During the Cold War overseas, we trained constantly and i spent 70% > of >>>my time in the field. When we had Alert Rollouts, you packed and > armed >>>for a war. You never know if its the real thing.  You draw weapons, >>>jump in a vehicle, and begin the road march to your battle > positions. >>>Its repeated every month. >>Being constantly in readiness like that would have taken its toll on > you. >>I guess ifs a bit like police & fire fighters. >>Bevan > Ready for this?  I interviewed for the job of Nuclear Duty Officer. The > last guy committed suicide. They lock you in an underground steel > vault, and run radio wires to 2 guys who relay fire commands to a > battery of nuclear missiles. If the Russians attack, and the NATO > couldn’t stop them, the Commander can OK a volley of nuclear missiles. > The pressure on the two men inside that vault was intense.  This was > back in 1985.

Hell, its a job nothing like I can imagine doing—excuse my ignorance. Bevan

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Hi Steve! > I actually think my Army experience made me a better person. I was a > shy kid when I was 19. The Army gave me confidence, strength, and > leadership skills. The problems I have probably come from my lack of > social skills. The Army’s warrior culture doesn’t blend well with > non-vets.  I dunno….sometimes I think I’m lucky the way things turned > out.

Agreed.  However, my loyalty does not extend to destroying the remainder of my life, given that those who spend a lot of time with us can help me to have a better life as a civilian. YMMV Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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Hi Steve, I’ve done lots of therapy for PTSD. I think that what has been most beneficial for me is what is called ‘cognitive behavior therapy" or CBT. It’s a way of challenging your thinking style and trying to come up with ways that you can take control and counter those thoughts that recur. It shouldn’t (and hasn’t for me) been insensitive to what has happened and shouldn’t place blame on you for not having the "right" thoughts. If you don’t want to do emotionally intensive work, dredging up all the trauma, this is a good type of therapy to choose. I just finished an intensive outpatient program at the local mental health hospital and that was the method of program they used. It was a good way to challenge my thinking in general. That kind of therapy is based on a book called "Feeling Good" by David Burns. It’s a popular book and should be available at your library or local bookstore. It’s pretty cheap if you like writing in books like I do. I’ve also had some bad experiences with some therapists who have been insensitive to where I am what I’ve endured. I don’t want to scare you away from trying because it is worth trying to find the right person to work with. Just know that if the first person you see isn’t a good match, you can keep looking for someone you can trust and work with. I’m not sure if this helps. I hope so. Good luck. Lemond601 "Steve510" <redleg…@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:1113407635.525257.71190@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello, I just found your group last night. I believe I have PTSD from > my days in the US Army during the Cold War ( Germany 84-86). I am still > having problems at my job, and I am just now ready to seek professional > help. I am wondering what can I expect as a way of therapy?  I will be > going thru my healthcare provider, Kaiser-CA.

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news:1113549290.097045.310560@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> p fogg wrote: > > "Steve510" <redleg…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:1113407635.525257.71190@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > > > Hello, I just found your group last night. I believe I have PTSD > from > > > my days in the US Army during the Cold War ( Germany 84-86). I am > still > > > having problems at my job, and I am just now ready to seek > professional > > > help. I am wondering what can I expect as a way of therapy?  I will > be > > > going thru my healthcare provider, Kaiser-CA. > > Hi Steve, > > I saw scads of therapists before I found someone who really helped > for my > > PTSD.  I may be able to save you some time.  It’s my belief that > trauma > > therapy requires a specific set of skills that I don’t think > everybody with > > a Ph.D. in psychology posesses.  I saw several good therapists who > were > > helpful for other stuff before I saw my PTSD therapist, but they did > not > > help me with the PTSD.  My advice is to find someone who is > specifically > > trained in treating PTSD, and who specializes in it.  I was suicidal > from > > childhood until I worked with the PTSD therapist, and now I have been > pretty > > stable since then (13 years now).  By stable I mean I can be pretty > moody, > > but I have had absolutely no thoughts of harming myself, and I have > been > > able to work and to be a good wife and mother. > > These are interesting links. > > http://www.traumatologyacademy.org/fellows.htm > > http://www.traumatologyacademy.org/COCA/about.html > > http://www.traumatologyacademy.org/certification.htm > > This is my former psychologist’s web site > > http://www.aas.duke.edu/directories/deans/roth.html > > When you go for the initial visit at Kaiser, tell the psychologist > that you > > want to see someone who is trained in treating PTSD, preferably > someone who > > specializes in it.  If you don’t click with that person, move on > until you > > find somebody who feels right, who is also a trauma therapist. > > Let us know what happens.  Good luck! > > –Patti > I talked to a screener, and they are already avoiding my PTSD. They > want to focus on anger. I told them I sense you will waste my time.

Typical.  They always go straight for dismantling your coping mechanisms without treating the underlying problem.  Then you are left worse off than before, because you can no longer cope.

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Hi Steve! > What are are the PTSD traits?

Go to http://www.astpfaq.bravepages.com/index.html and read some of the links.  The PTSD symptoms are listed in DSM IV.   But, beware, diagnosis must be by a trained and experienced professional; I, at least, cannot ’see’ the traits in myself without someone outside me helping me to understand that ‘what I consider a normal reaction’ is not the usual human reaction. > I had a series of stressful incidents in the Army.  The one that > creates flashbacks is REFORGER 1985. I was decorated with a medal for a > job well done, but I keep reliving the moment. A therapist told me I do > this because I keep thinking I let my fellow troops down, but in > reality I did the best I could with what I had. Thats all the Army can > ask. Another therapist said I relive the moment because its a moment of > great achievement, and I enjoyed the honor and recognition. > They both make sense.

Were these analyses made by someone with military experience? or experience with a lot of military folk?  If not, then I doubt whether either is correct. Unwanted, intrusive flashbacks are one symptom. :/ Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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Hi Steve! > I talked to a screener, and they are already avoiding my PTSD. They > want to focus on anger. I told them I sense you will waste my time.

Mostly, with screeners in civilian or military mental health units, it is important to ’share’ myself.  IME, it has always been best to show them ‘who I am’ rather than try to give them a diagnosis. Unfortunately, PTSD is very ‘trendy’ right now.  The term is being thrown around on TV shows inappropriately (less than 6 months after a trauma, someone can have PTSD according to Law & Order Special Victims Unit). And, there are a lot of rumors about ‘making money’ with the diagnosis.   Social Security and the VA both regard PTSD as a disability with the possibility of ‘free’ money.   YMMV Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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> What are are the PTSD traits? > I had a series of stressful incidents in the Army.  The one that > creates flashbacks is REFORGER 1985. I was decorated with a medal for a > job well done, but I keep reliving the moment. A therapist told me I do > this because I keep thinking I let my fellow troops down, but in > reality I did the best I could with what I had. Thats all the Army can > ask. Another therapist said I relive the moment because its a moment of > great achievement, and I enjoyed the honor and recognition. > They both make sense.

How old were you in ‘85?  Is that "part" of you stuck at that age and so you’re reliving it over and over again?  For me, self talk helped a lot.  I had to let that part of me who was there and experience the trauma first hand know that it was my turn to handle it. Intellectually, I know it was me that the trauma happened to.  But it was like I was literally "stuck" in the time frame of my life when it happened and so whenever I had those flashbacks, I was there all over again and that same age.  Until I brought that event to "today" I kept reliving it over and over again…..and THEN I could deal with it and heal. Hope this makes sense.  The mind is one amazing organ. Donna

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Nancy wrote: > Hi Steve! > > What are are the PTSD traits? > Go to > http://www.astpfaq.bravepages.com/index.html > and read some of the links.  The PTSD symptoms are listed in DSM IV. > But, beware, diagnosis must be by a trained and experienced professional; > I, at least, cannot ’see’ the traits in myself without someone outside me > helping me to understand that ‘what I consider a normal reaction’ is not > the usual human reaction. > > I had a series of stressful incidents in the Army.  The one that > > creates flashbacks is REFORGER 1985. I was decorated with a medal for a > > job well done, but I keep reliving the moment. A therapist told me I do > > this because I keep thinking I let my fellow troops down, but in > > reality I did the best I could with what I had. Thats all the Army can > > ask. Another therapist said I relive the moment because its a moment of > > great achievement, and I enjoyed the honor and recognition. > > They both make sense. > Were these analyses made by someone with military experience? or > experience with a lot of military folk?  If not, then I doubt whether > either is correct. > Unwanted, intrusive flashbacks are one symptom. :/ > Smile and there will be something to smile about! > Nancy

Yes, they were both folks with army experience.

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"pugs" <Be…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1Uc_d.1410$C7.239@news-server.bigpond.net.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Panther" <pant…@asarian-intl.org> wrote in message > news:d1b9qd$a3h$0@pita.alt.net… > > Anyone have a problem with ‘jumping’ when they are first starting to doze > > off? > > Panther > Yes I do, and then after recording  my breathing on a tape recorder I found > that my initial *jump* was due to my panicking at loss of breath and then a > loud snore to regain  breath. > Apparently it is a normal event but to an overly anxious person it seems > abnormal. Also, occasionally an unexpected deep breath startles us. This is > normal too, for our automatic nervous system self corrects air flow. > cheers > pugs

Wow that makes sense!!  I was diagnosed with mild sleep apnea (sp?) and I am a LOUD snorer.  (Yes soooooooo very unlady like!). I usually let out a scream when it happens.  I don’t recall this happening before I began dealing with the trauma information.  I’m wondering if certain things aggravate it so let me put out some of the things I wondered about before you mentioned the above. 1.  the antidepressant (paxil) may have aggravated the sleep apnea (or caused it?). 2.  sometimes a fraction of a second before the jump and scream there is like a flashback that I can’t quite see. 3.  Due to the pain during the abuse where I’ve pretty much numbed body sensations as I just start to fall asleep the body ‘relaxes’ causing me to re tense up suddenly (chronic hypervigelence). 4.  The holding of the breath during sleep apnea is a subconscious reminder of the abuse where I had also held my breath. What’s your thoughts? Panther

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"Panther" <pant…@asarian-intl.org> wrote in message

news:d1b9qd$a3h$0@pita.alt.net… > Anyone have a problem with ‘jumping’ when they are first starting to doze > off? > Panther

Yes I do, and then after recording  my breathing on a tape recorder I found that my initial *jump* was due to my panicking at loss of breath and then a loud snore to regain  breath. Apparently it is a normal event but to an overly anxious person it seems abnormal. Also, occasionally an unexpected deep breath startles us. This is normal too, for our automatic nervous system self corrects air flow. cheers pugs

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Hi pugs! > Apparently it is a normal event but to an overly anxious person it > seems abnormal. Also, occasionally an unexpected deep breath startles > us. This is normal too, for our automatic nervous system self corrects > air flow.

You raise an important point. Many of our symptoms are ‘normal’.  It is _our reaction_ to those symptoms that tells us (and the rest of the world) that we have PTSD.   IOW, hypervigilance is not always a good thing. As my therapist kept reminding me: you are more than your PTSD symptoms, Nancy. YMMV Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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Anyone have a problem with ‘jumping’ when they are first starting to doze off? Panther "Ron" <tetve…@mchsi.com> wrote in message

news:xxvZd.131542$tl3.9036@attbi_s02… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Restless legs i have experienced. it wakes me at night, and sometimes > happens when im in therapy, or when i have been bunkered for a week or two. > i usually massage the legs until the feeling leaves. Legs get so heavy that > i cry. massage has helped, but i need to get to a pro who understands the > reactions we have to the stress and depression. It really sucks, for sure. > And walking does not help. Get someone to give a good massage…it > stimulates a sense of release whenever i do it. Great success to you..ron > "Greg Barb Cook" <cook…@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message > news:4234dda7_1@news.iprimus.com.au… > > Your legs don’t feel yours basically. They ache, are stiff, heavy, painful > > and the only release is by moving them around.  When you are sitting in a > > chair you fidget as you try and get your legs comfortable. > > My knees were the worst affected. I will try and get a url link for it. > > cheers Barb > > "omnes" <omnesgen…@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1110724270.620653.106260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… > > > Hi Barb, > > > I’m taking Zoloft for PTSD, and you mentioned "restless legs syndrome". > > > Can you tell me what this ? > > > The reason I ask is because my doseage of Zoloft was recently increased > > > and there have been some "side effects" to taking it. Would be > > > interested in hearing what this "restless legs syndrome" is! > > > Thanks! > > > Omnes > > > Greg Barb Cook wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Anaesthesia and SSRI drugs such as some of the anti-depressants > > > (zoloft, > > > > serzone, avanza etc) are well known to interact – heavy head, unable > > > to > > > > think, painful stiff joints, restless legs syndrome, feeling > > > > distant/detached, tearful. The trick is to get an up to date > > > anaesthetist to > > > > be aware of this, next time I will carry the full drug literature and > > > flash > > > > it under their noses! > > > >  I too haven’t heard of a drug to reduce PTSD symptoms after another > > > trauma. > > > > Could it be an anti-anxiety drug to reduce your hypervigilance > > > pathway, > > > > maybe. I would be interested in the drug. > > > > Cheers Barb > > > > "Panther" <pant…@asarian-intl.org> wrote in message > > > > news:d10o1m$mlh$0@pita.alt.net… > > > > > "Bear" <nos…@goaway.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:DbWdnSsMfqli96zfRVn-og@comcast.com… > > > > > > i have PTSD.  A year or so ago my therapist was discussing what > > > should > > > > > > happen if I was in another trauma, like a car accident, etc. She > > > said > > > > > > the emergency room people should administer a certain medication > > > or type > > > > > > of medication to me and it would reduce my chanced of my PTSD > > > symptoms > > > > > > increasing.  I’m trying to remember what the medication she > > > remembered > > > > > > was.  Anyone have any ideas?  TIA! > > > > > Hi Bear, > > > > > This surprises me.  I’ve not heard of such a drug unless it’s > > > something > > > > > quite new. fwiw, after having a few years of strong flashbacks > > > after which > > > > > they subsided once I dealt with the original trauma in therapy I > > > did not > > > > > have a reoccurrence as a result of an accident.  About three months > > > > previous > > > > > to the accident I did have major surgery and found that about a > > > month > > > > after > > > > > the accident I started to go through a major depression which > > > caught me by > > > > > surprise since things were going quite well in my life.  After > > > touching > > > > > bases with my old therapist she suggested it might be the residual > > > of the > > > > > meds I was given for surgery and that it can be held in the body > > > for up to > > > > a > > > > > year.  She suggested going to a massage therapist which works to > > > rid the > > > > > body of the anesthesia.  It did work.  Afterward I’ve hear other > > > people > > > > > telling similar experiences.

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Restless legs i have experienced. it wakes me at night, and sometimes happens when im in therapy, or when i have been bunkered for a week or two. i usually massage the legs until the feeling leaves. Legs get so heavy that i cry. massage has helped, but i need to get to a pro who understands the reactions we have to the stress and depression. It really sucks, for sure. And walking does not help. Get someone to give a good massage…it stimulates a sense of release whenever i do it. Great success to you..ron "Greg Barb Cook" <cook…@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:4234dda7_1@news.iprimus.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Your legs don’t feel yours basically. They ache, are stiff, heavy, painful > and the only release is by moving them around.  When you are sitting in a > chair you fidget as you try and get your legs comfortable. > My knees were the worst affected. I will try and get a url link for it. > cheers Barb > "omnes" <omnesgen…@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1110724270.620653.106260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… > > Hi Barb, > > I’m taking Zoloft for PTSD, and you mentioned "restless legs syndrome". > > Can you tell me what this ? > > The reason I ask is because my doseage of Zoloft was recently increased > > and there have been some "side effects" to taking it. Would be > > interested in hearing what this "restless legs syndrome" is! > > Thanks! > > Omnes > > Greg Barb Cook wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Anaesthesia and SSRI drugs such as some of the anti-depressants > > (zoloft, > > > serzone, avanza etc) are well known to interact – heavy head, unable > > to > > > think, painful stiff joints, restless legs syndrome, feeling > > > distant/detached, tearful. The trick is to get an up to date > > anaesthetist to > > > be aware of this, next time I will carry the full drug literature and > > flash > > > it under their noses! > > >  I too haven’t heard of a drug to reduce PTSD symptoms after another > > trauma. > > > Could it be an anti-anxiety drug to reduce your hypervigilance > > pathway, > > > maybe. I would be interested in the drug. > > > Cheers Barb > > > "Panther" <pant…@asarian-intl.org> wrote in message > > > news:d10o1m$mlh$0@pita.alt.net… > > > > "Bear" <nos…@goaway.com> wrote in message > > > > news:DbWdnSsMfqli96zfRVn-og@comcast.com… > > > > > i have PTSD.  A year or so ago my therapist was discussing what > > should > > > > > happen if I was in another trauma, like a car accident, etc.  She > > said > > > > > the emergency room people should administer a certain medication > > or type > > > > > of medication to me and it would reduce my chanced of my PTSD > > symptoms > > > > > increasing.  I’m trying to remember what the medication she > > remembered > > > > > was.  Anyone have any ideas?  TIA! > > > > Hi Bear, > > > > This surprises me.  I’ve not heard of such a drug unless it’s > > something > > > > quite new. fwiw, after having a few years of strong flashbacks > > after which > > > > they subsided once I dealt with the original trauma in therapy I > > did not > > > > have a reoccurrence as a result of an accident.  About three months > > > previous > > > > to the accident I did have major surgery and found that about a > > month > > > after > > > > the accident I started to go through a major depression which > > caught me by > > > > surprise since things were going quite well in my life.  After > > touching > > > > bases with my old therapist she suggested it might be the residual > > of the > > > > meds I was given for surgery and that it can be held in the body > > for up to > > > a > > > > year.  She suggested going to a massage therapist which works to > > rid the > > > > body of the anesthesia.  It did work.  Afterward I’ve hear other > > people > > > > telling similar experiences.

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i have PTSD.  A year or so ago my therapist was discussing what should happen if I was in another trauma, like a car accident, etc.  She said the emergency room people should administer a certain medication or type of medication to me and it would reduce my chanced of my PTSD symptoms increasing.  I’m trying to remember what the medication she remembered was.  Anyone have any ideas?  TIA!

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"Bear" <nos…@goaway.com> wrote in message

news:DbWdnSsMfqli96zfRVn-og@comcast.com… > i have PTSD.  A year or so ago my therapist was discussing what should > happen if I was in another trauma, like a car accident, etc.  She said > the emergency room people should administer a certain medication or type > of medication to me and it would reduce my chanced of my PTSD symptoms > increasing.  I’m trying to remember what the medication she remembered > was.  Anyone have any ideas?  TIA!

Hi Bear, This surprises me.  I’ve not heard of such a drug unless it’s something quite new. fwiw, after having a few years of strong flashbacks after which they subsided once I dealt with the original trauma in therapy I did not have a reoccurrence as a result of an accident.  About three months previous to the accident I did have major surgery and found that about a month after the accident I started to go through a major depression which caught me by surprise since things were going quite well in my life.  After touching bases with my old therapist she suggested it might be the residual of the meds I was given for surgery and that it can be held in the body for up to a year.  She suggested going to a massage therapist which works to rid the body of the anesthesia.  It did work.  Afterward I’ve hear other people telling similar experiences.

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Hi, Anaesthesia and SSRI drugs such as some of the anti-depressants (zoloft, serzone, avanza etc) are well known to interact – heavy head, unable to think, painful stiff joints, restless legs syndrome, feeling distant/detached, tearful. The trick is to get an up to date anaesthetist to be aware of this, next time I will carry the full drug literature and flash it under their noses!  I too haven’t heard of a drug to reduce PTSD symptoms after another trauma. Could it be an anti-anxiety drug to reduce your hypervigilance pathway, maybe. I would be interested in the drug. Cheers Barb "Panther" <pant…@asarian-intl.org> wrote in message

news:d10o1m$mlh$0@pita.alt.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Bear" <nos…@goaway.com> wrote in message > news:DbWdnSsMfqli96zfRVn-og@comcast.com… > > i have PTSD.  A year or so ago my therapist was discussing what should > > happen if I was in another trauma, like a car accident, etc.  She said > > the emergency room people should administer a certain medication or type > > of medication to me and it would reduce my chanced of my PTSD symptoms > > increasing.  I’m trying to remember what the medication she remembered > > was.  Anyone have any ideas?  TIA! > Hi Bear, > This surprises me.  I’ve not heard of such a drug unless it’s something > quite new. fwiw, after having a few years of strong flashbacks after which > they subsided once I dealt with the original trauma in therapy I did not > have a reoccurrence as a result of an accident.  About three months previous > to the accident I did have major surgery and found that about a month after > the accident I started to go through a major depression which caught me by > surprise since things were going quite well in my life.  After touching > bases with my old therapist she suggested it might be the residual of the > meds I was given for surgery and that it can be held in the body for up to a > year.  She suggested going to a massage therapist which works to rid the > body of the anesthesia.  It did work.  Afterward I’ve hear other people > telling similar experiences.

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Hi Barb, I’m taking Zoloft for PTSD, and you mentioned "restless legs syndrome". Can you tell me what this ? The reason I ask is because my doseage of Zoloft was recently increased and there have been some "side effects" to taking it. Would be interested in hearing what this "restless legs syndrome" is! Thanks! Omnes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Greg Barb Cook wrote: > Hi, > Anaesthesia and SSRI drugs such as some of the anti-depressants (zoloft, > serzone, avanza etc) are well known to interact – heavy head, unable to > think, painful stiff joints, restless legs syndrome, feeling > distant/detached, tearful. The trick is to get an up to date anaesthetist to > be aware of this, next time I will carry the full drug literature and flash > it under their noses! >  I too haven’t heard of a drug to reduce PTSD symptoms after another trauma. > Could it be an anti-anxiety drug to reduce your hypervigilance pathway, > maybe. I would be interested in the drug. > Cheers Barb > "Panther" <pant…@asarian-intl.org> wrote in message > news:d10o1m$mlh$0@pita.alt.net… > > "Bear" <nos…@goaway.com> wrote in message > > news:DbWdnSsMfqli96zfRVn-og@comcast.com… > > > i have PTSD.  A year or so ago my therapist was discussing what should > > > happen if I was in another trauma, like a car accident, etc.  She said > > > the emergency room people should administer a certain medication or type > > > of medication to me and it would reduce my chanced of my PTSD symptoms > > > increasing.  I’m trying to remember what the medication she remembered > > > was.  Anyone have any ideas?  TIA! > > Hi Bear, > > This surprises me.  I’ve not heard of such a drug unless it’s something > > quite new. fwiw, after having a few years of strong flashbacks after which > > they subsided once I dealt with the original trauma in therapy I did not > > have a reoccurrence as a result of an accident.  About three months > previous > > to the accident I did have major surgery and found that about a month > after > > the accident I started to go through a major depression which caught me by > > surprise since things were going quite well in my life.  After touching > > bases with my old therapist she suggested it might be the residual of the > > meds I was given for surgery and that it can be held in the body for up to > a > > year.  She suggested going to a massage therapist which works to rid the > > body of the anesthesia.  It did work.  Afterward I’ve hear other people > > telling similar experiences.

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Your legs don’t feel yours basically. They ache, are stiff, heavy, painful and the only release is by moving them around.  When you are sitting in a chair you fidget as you try and get your legs comfortable. My knees were the worst affected. I will try and get a url link for it. cheers Barb "omnes" <omnesgen…@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1110724270.620653.106260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Barb, > I’m taking Zoloft for PTSD, and you mentioned "restless legs syndrome". > Can you tell me what this ? > The reason I ask is because my doseage of Zoloft was recently increased > and there have been some "side effects" to taking it. Would be > interested in hearing what this "restless legs syndrome" is! > Thanks! > Omnes > Greg Barb Cook wrote: > > Hi, > > Anaesthesia and SSRI drugs such as some of the anti-depressants > (zoloft, > > serzone, avanza etc) are well known to interact – heavy head, unable > to > > think, painful stiff joints, restless legs syndrome, feeling > > distant/detached, tearful. The trick is to get an up to date > anaesthetist to > > be aware of this, next time I will carry the full drug literature and > flash > > it under their noses! > >  I too haven’t heard of a drug to reduce PTSD symptoms after another > trauma. > > Could it be an anti-anxiety drug to reduce your hypervigilance > pathway, > > maybe. I would be interested in the drug. > > Cheers Barb > > "Panther" <pant…@asarian-intl.org> wrote in message > > news:d10o1m$mlh$0@pita.alt.net… > > > "Bear" <nos…@goaway.com> wrote in message > > > news:DbWdnSsMfqli96zfRVn-og@comcast.com… > > > > i have PTSD.  A year or so ago my therapist was discussing what > should > > > > happen if I was in another trauma, like a car accident, etc.  She > said > > > > the emergency room people should administer a certain medication > or type > > > > of medication to me and it would reduce my chanced of my PTSD > symptoms > > > > increasing.  I’m trying to remember what the medication she > remembered > > > > was.  Anyone have any ideas?  TIA! > > > Hi Bear, > > > This surprises me.  I’ve not heard of such a drug unless it’s > something > > > quite new. fwiw, after having a few years of strong flashbacks > after which > > > they subsided once I dealt with the original trauma in therapy I > did not > > > have a reoccurrence as a result of an accident.  About three months > > previous > > > to the accident I did have major surgery and found that about a > month > > after > > > the accident I started to go through a major depression which > caught me by > > > surprise since things were going quite well in my life.  After > touching > > > bases with my old therapist she suggested it might be the residual > of the > > > meds I was given for surgery and that it can be held in the body > for up to > > a > > > year.  She suggested going to a massage therapist which works to > rid the > > > body of the anesthesia.  It did work.  Afterward I’ve hear other > people > > > telling similar experiences.

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Thanks for your response, Barb. I just noticed that since my perscription to Zoloft has increased, I feel this need to get up and move more often! If I go for a short walk, I do feel better. Thanks again! Omnes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Greg Barb Cook wrote: > Your legs don’t feel yours basically. They ache, are stiff, heavy, painful > and the only release is by moving them around.  When you are sitting in a > chair you fidget as you try and get your legs comfortable. > My knees were the worst affected. I will try and get a url link for it. > cheers Barb > "omnes" <omnesgen…@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1110724270.620653.106260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… > > Hi Barb, > > I’m taking Zoloft for PTSD, and you mentioned "restless legs syndrome". > > Can you tell me what this ? > > The reason I ask is because my doseage of Zoloft was recently increased > > and there have been some "side effects" to taking it. Would be > > interested in hearing what this "restless legs syndrome" is! > > Thanks! > > Omnes > > Greg Barb Cook wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Anaesthesia and SSRI drugs such as some of the anti-depressants > > (zoloft, > > > serzone, avanza etc) are well known to interact – heavy head, unable > > to > > > think, painful stiff joints, restless legs syndrome, feeling > > > distant/detached, tearful. The trick is to get an up to date > > anaesthetist to > > > be aware of this, next time I will carry the full drug literature and > > flash > > > it under their noses! > > >  I too haven’t heard of a drug to reduce PTSD symptoms after another > > trauma. > > > Could it be an anti-anxiety drug to reduce your hypervigilance > > pathway, > > > maybe. I would be interested in the drug. > > > Cheers Barb > > > "Panther" <pant…@asarian-intl.org> wrote in message > > > news:d10o1m$mlh$0@pita.alt.net… > > > > "Bear" <nos…@goaway.com> wrote in message > > > > news:DbWdnSsMfqli96zfRVn-og@comcast.com… > > > > > i have PTSD.  A year or so ago my therapist was discussing what > > should > > > > > happen if I was in another trauma, like a car accident, etc. She > > said > > > > > the emergency room people should administer a certain medication > > or type > > > > > of medication to me and it would reduce my chanced of my PTSD > > symptoms > > > > > increasing.  I’m trying to remember what the medication she > > remembered > > > > > was.  Anyone have any ideas?  TIA! > > > > Hi Bear, > > > > This surprises me.  I’ve not heard of such a drug unless it’s > > something > > > > quite new. fwiw, after having a few years of strong flashbacks > > after which > > > > they subsided once I dealt with the original trauma in therapy I > > did not > > > > have a reoccurrence as a result of an accident.  About three months > > > previous > > > > to the accident I did have major surgery and found that about a > > month > > > after > > > > the accident I started to go through a major depression which > > caught me by > > > > surprise since things were going quite well in my life.  After > > touching > > > > bases with my old therapist she suggested it might be the residual > > of the > > > > meds I was given for surgery and that it can be held in the body > > for up to > > > a > > > > year.  She suggested going to a massage therapist which works to > > rid the > > > > body of the anesthesia.  It did work.  Afterward I’ve hear other > > people > > > > telling similar experiences.

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I broke one of my own rules….laws of life yesterday and it still has me in pieces this morning.  This will be triggering so do not read if you’re in a bad spot….but I need to get this out of me. I have no one to talk to today. # # # # # # # # # # # I had my 2.5 year old grandson yesterday….always so much fun as the time with him is full of love.  Spent 99.99% of the day having just that….fun filled with love.  Then I broke the law….. He wanted to swing.  So I took him to this little neighborhood park thinking there was a swing there.  Pulled up in my car and saw only this one single white truck parked in the lot.  I knew just by seeing the man in the truck that he was NOT ok.  Thought to myself "why does there have to be so many creeps out there." Took my grandson out of the car and proceeded into the park. Had to pass the truck to get into the park gate as he was parked at the entry.  So I got a better look at him….he was a man/woman. I thought he was a cross-dresser and from what I have read, they are usually harmless.  Not so yesterday. No swing at the park but a slide.  Grandson went down the slide while I kept one eye on this man/woman.  He got out of his truck and I could tell he wasn’t a cross-dresser….he looked like a woman with earrings and all but he had blue jeans on….he wasn’t fully dressed like a cross-dresser.  Couldn’t take my eyes off him….I knew he was bad. He took some kind of purse out of his truck, shut his trucks door and headed into the park.  I picked up my grandson and said loudly "Here comes dad! And he has Tyson with him."  This creep stopped dead in his tracks and turned around to see who was coming. No one was coming.  I was going.  Getting the hell out of there.  This monster was full of evil.  But I got my grandson out of there. I broke my #1 law: there is safety in numbers.  I should have known better then to have gotten out of my car. There was no one else there. The good guys know about this creep but I will be doing more.  As I left the part I saw a Mexican man riding his bike with his child.  I will be writing a letter to the local papers; this creep is still out there.  My grandson and I may be safe but there are still other children out there… and they live so close by.  This town at times seems to be evil perpville and there is a large Mexican population. I don’t know how much English they know but they will know about this sonofabitch….one way or the other. One by one this evil bastards will die and go to hell. Donna

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Hey Donna, I think I might know what you are feeling….my counselor said that one thing I must be concerned about (because of PTSD) is my "emotional security". My counselor said that I have to be careful about putting myself in "dangerous" situations since my sense of trust (or lack of it) can easily be "triggered". Does this sound familiar ? Omnes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -bckwrds wrote: > I broke one of my own rules….laws of life yesterday and it still > has me in pieces this morning.  This will be triggering so do not > read if you’re in a bad spot….but I need to get this out of me. > I have no one to talk to today. > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > I had my 2.5 year old grandson yesterday….always so much fun > as the time with him is full of love.  Spent 99.99% of the day having > just that….fun filled with love.  Then I broke the law….. > He wanted to swing.  So I took him to this little neighborhood > park thinking there was a swing there.  Pulled up in my car and > saw only this one single white truck parked in the lot.  I knew just > by seeing the man in the truck that he was NOT ok.  Thought to > myself "why does there have to be so many creeps out there." > Took my grandson out of the car and proceeded into the park. > Had to pass the truck to get into the park gate as he was parked > at the entry.  So I got a better look at him….he was a man/woman. > I thought he was a cross-dresser and from what I have read, they > are usually harmless.  Not so yesterday. > No swing at the park but a slide.  Grandson went down the slide > while I kept one eye on this man/woman.  He got out of his > truck and I could tell he wasn’t a cross-dresser….he looked like > a woman with earrings and all but he had blue jeans on….he > wasn’t fully dressed like a cross-dresser.  Couldn’t take my > eyes off him….I knew he was bad. > He took some kind of purse out of his truck, shut his trucks > door and headed into the park.  I picked up my grandson > and said loudly "Here comes dad! And he has Tyson with > him."  This creep stopped dead in his tracks and turned > around to see who was coming. > No one was coming.  I was going.  Getting the hell out > of there.  This monster was full of evil.  But I got my > grandson out of there. > I broke my #1 law: there is safety in numbers.  I should > have known better then to have gotten out of my car. > There was no one else there. > The good guys know about this creep but I will be doing > more.  As I left the part I saw a Mexican man riding his > bike with his child.  I will be writing a letter to the local > papers; this creep is still out there.  My grandson and I > may be safe but there are still other children out there… > and they live so close by.  This town at times seems to > be evil perpville and there is a large Mexican population. > I don’t know how much English they know but they will > know about this sonofabitch….one way or the other. > One by one this evil bastards will die and go to hell. > Donna

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"bckwrds" <bckw…@theriver.com> wrote in message

news:420cd20e$0$23564$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I broke one of my own rules….laws of life yesterday and it still > has me in pieces this morning.  This will be triggering so do not > read if you’re in a bad spot….but I need to get this out of me. > I have no one to talk to today. > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > I had my 2.5 year old grandson yesterday….always so much fun > as the time with him is full of love.  Spent 99.99% of the day having > just that….fun filled with love.  Then I broke the law….. > He wanted to swing.  So I took him to this little neighborhood > park thinking there was a swing there.  Pulled up in my car and > saw only this one single white truck parked in the lot.  I knew just > by seeing the man in the truck that he was NOT ok.  Thought to > myself "why does there have to be so many creeps out there." > Took my grandson out of the car and proceeded into the park. > Had to pass the truck to get into the park gate as he was parked > at the entry.  So I got a better look at him….he was a man/woman. > I thought he was a cross-dresser and from what I have read, they > are usually harmless.  Not so yesterday. > No swing at the park but a slide.  Grandson went down the slide > while I kept one eye on this man/woman.  He got out of his > truck and I could tell he wasn’t a cross-dresser….he looked like > a woman with earrings and all but he had blue jeans on….he > wasn’t fully dressed like a cross-dresser.  Couldn’t take my > eyes off him….I knew he was bad. > He took some kind of purse out of his truck, shut his trucks > door and headed into the park.  I picked up my grandson > and said loudly "Here comes dad! And he has Tyson with > him."  This creep stopped dead in his tracks and turned > around to see who was coming. > No one was coming.  I was going.  Getting the hell out > of there.  This monster was full of evil.  But I got my > grandson out of there. > I broke my #1 law: there is safety in numbers.  I should > have known better then to have gotten out of my car. > There was no one else there. > The good guys know about this creep but I will be doing > more.  As I left the part I saw a Mexican man riding his > bike with his child.  I will be writing a letter to the local > papers; this creep is still out there.  My grandson and I > may be safe but there are still other children out there… > and they live so close by.  This town at times seems to > be evil perpville and there is a large Mexican population. > I don’t know how much English they know but they will > know about this sonofabitch….one way or the other. > One by one this evil bastards will die and go to hell. > Donna

One of the dogs here loves to roll in manure; horse, cow or sheep, it doesn’t matter to him. If I smell something shitty, sure enough, the lad will be smeered in something rank. Once he’s gone, the smelly bastard, it wont stink here anymore.

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"sway" <swa…@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>

{my stuff snipped} sway, I’m not sure just what you mean with your words below, but I truly don’t give a shit if you’re trying to say you don’t believe me…..I’ve been there and done that.  Shit may stink but it also makes flowers bloom….even bloomin idiots. Donna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> One of the dogs here loves to roll in manure; horse, cow or sheep, it > doesn’t matter to him. If I smell something shitty, sure enough, the lad > will be smeered in something rank. > Once he’s gone, the smelly bastard, it wont stink here anymore.

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"bckwrds" <bckw…@theriver.com> who is a closet loony wrote in news:420d8075$0$23565$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net: > "sway" <swa…@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> > {my stuff snipped} > sway, I’m not sure just what you mean with your words below,

Donna, Sway was agreeing with you. He’s an Aussie………. you gotta learn the lingo >> Once he’s gone, the smelly bastard, it wont stink here anymore.

I think that what Sway was saying was……… that creep at the park, once it’s dead, there’s no more reason to fear it. My advice? Depending on your own sensibilities, either pack a gun, or a knife….. and *use* them if the situation warrants it. And remember the golden rule……….. Dead men tell no tales. — Peter Lucas                             Brisbane                                 Australia       Qui desiderat pacem, bellum praeparat; nemo provocare ne offendere audet quem intelliget superiorem esse pugnaturem Flavius Vegetius Renatus, "De re militari" 390 B.C.E.

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Typhoid <neinsch…@yahoo.de> who is a closet loony wrote in news:MPG.1c7828ebc235399897eb@individual.net: > As a father, I must say I don’t think what you felt had anything to do > with PTSD, but everything to do with protecting your grandson from > freaks. > These fsckers *will* die and *will* go to hell (that is, if I don’t get > to them first).

Good to see we finally agree on something. — Peter Lucas                             Brisbane                                 Australia       Qui desiderat pacem, bellum praeparat; nemo provocare ne offendere audet quem intelliget superiorem esse pugnaturem Flavius Vegetius Renatus, "De re militari" 390 B.C.E.

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Hi Typhoid and Donna! > As a father, I must say I don’t think what you felt had anything to do > with PTSD, but everything to do with protecting your grandson from > freaks.

I tend to agree.  We put the blame on our PTSD symptoms all too often IMO. OTOH, the part that is associated with PTSD is the aftermath … the guilt for not doing something else (rather than what we did do), the strong body reactions to remembering the event, the huge worrying after the event. They tell me that those without PTSD do not internalize that anything was their fault, but congratulate themselves that they overcame a rough situation.  I suppose that this is true. :/ Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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"Typhoid" <neinsch…@yahoo.de> wrote in message

news:MPG.1c7828ebc235399897eb@individual.net… [my stuff snipped] >> One by one this evil bastards will die and go to hell. > Sorry for busting into this thread as a lurker, but I do feel strongly > about this issue. > As a father, I must say I don’t think what you felt had anything to do > with PTSD, but everything to do with protecting your grandson from > freaks. > These fsckers *will* die and *will* go to hell (that is, if I don’t get > to them first). > Hth.

hi, Hth, and thank you for unlurking.  It had EVERYTHING to do with protecting my grandson….no ptsd involved.  That thing in the park was a madbadevil sob. this world could use more fathers like you. Donna

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if that’s is what he meant, then my apologies.  Life has literally been hell for me lately and this one involving my grandson truly shook me up.  But once again "good" won. Donna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> {my stuff snipped} >> sway, I’m not sure just what you mean with your words below, > Donna, > Sway was agreeing with you. He’s an Aussie………. you gotta learn the > lingo >>> Once he’s gone, the smelly bastard, it wont stink here anymore. > I think that what Sway was saying was……… that creep at the park, > once it’s dead, there’s no more reason to fear it. > My advice? Depending on your own sensibilities, either pack a gun, or a > knife….. and *use* them if the situation warrants it. > And remember the golden rule……….. Dead men tell no tales. > — > Peter Lucas > Brisbane > Australia > Qui desiderat pacem, bellum praeparat; nemo provocare ne offendere audet > quem intelliget superiorem esse pugnaturem > Flavius Vegetius Renatus, "De re militari" 390 B.C.E.

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"bckwrds" <bckw…@theriver.com> who is a closet loony wrote in news:420e1838$0$23563$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net: > But once again "good" won.

Only just. Carry a knife, or a gun. And use them if the situation ever arises again. — Peter Lucas                             Brisbane                                 Australia       Qui desiderat pacem, bellum praeparat; nemo provocare ne offendere audet quem intelliget superiorem esse pugnaturem Flavius Vegetius Renatus, "De re militari" 390 B.C.E.

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"Nancy" <kipc…@msn.com> wrote in message

news:YFnPd.40280$EG1.29045@lakeread04… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Typhoid and Donna! >> As a father, I must say I don’t think what you felt had anything to do >> with PTSD, but everything to do with protecting your grandson from >> freaks. > I tend to agree.  We put the blame on our PTSD symptoms all too often > IMO. > OTOH, the part that is associated with PTSD is the aftermath … the > guilt for not doing something else (rather than what we did do), the > strong body reactions to remembering the event, the huge worrying after > the event. > They tell me that those without PTSD do not internalize that anything was > their fault, but congratulate themselves that they overcame a rough > situation.  I suppose that this is true. :/

Yeah, I can identify with you Nancy. Sometimes I feel so alone with those thoughts, so it comforts me knowing someone else feels that way too. pugs

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Scott <ScottDev…@hotmail.com> who is a closet loony wrote in news:Xns95FD78C407BAEptsd@130.133.1.4: > "Lucas, Peter" <SkyS…@overthere.com.> wrote in > news:Xns95FCB2B34629GoBrisbaneLions@130.133.1.4: >> "bckwrds" <bckw…@theriver.com> who is a closet loony wrote in >> news:420e1838$0$23563$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net: >>> But once again "good" won. >> Only just. >> Carry a knife, or a gun. > Why don’t you follow your own advice, Peter Lucas?

I do, troll. — Peter Lucas                             Brisbane                                 Australia       Qui desiderat pacem, bellum praeparat; nemo provocare ne offendere audet quem intelliget superiorem esse pugnaturem Flavius Vegetius Renatus, "De re militari" 390 B.C.E.

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Hello all: I have a question for everyone. I have struggled for years with Complex PTSD and one thing I have noticed through out all these years is my struggle to accomplish things. I feel as though I work contantly at one thing or another – both with work and with my lfie and yet never feel as though I have accomplished anything. I am exhausted all the time and I feel as though I am struggling with everything yet never really accomplishing any thing. Does anyone else feel this way? I know that I am not a lazy person and no one around me would describe me as such – yet I still never really accomplish anything! Very frustrating. Catz

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Hi Catz! > I am exhausted all > the time and I feel as though I am struggling with everything yet > never really accomplishing any thing. Does anyone else feel this way? > I know that I am not a lazy person and no one around me would describe > me as such – yet I still never really accomplish anything! Very > frustrating.

You bring up two interesting points, Catz. a. You and I have PTSD and thus, we both have distorted visions of reality.  How can either of us determine whether or not we are accomplishing anything? b. I have learned over time that ’stuggling against it’ makes my PTSD symptoms worse. YMMV Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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i’m seeing a councillor for the first time for my ’suspected’ complex PTSD. i found this out myself from bullyline.org and i have just about every symptom but have yet to have this diagnosed properly. even 1 day of work is physically and mentally exhausting like i’ve worked for a week, i weigh 7 and a half stone, around 50kgs i think, mainly caused by my depression and constant anxiety. i was bullied a lot as a teenager at school (by kids AND teachers) and well into my adult life as i have a cleft palate condition,  so i missed out on my education a lot and all my exams. i’ve had numerous of painful surgery to try and correct my condition, it’s better than it was but not 100%. my confidence is shattered so much that no matter what i seem to do now, i always seem to come off worse for it also. i’ve lost any aspirations i may of had once before and feel totally unemployable now as i have no real skills or work history, i’m 32. i’ve been called lazy and worse plenty of times but i know it isn’t really that simple, i just feel beaten down and i cannot see a way out of it as yet, i’m totally nocturnal and sleep most of the day away a lot but that’s only slightly touching on it all. it is really frustrating, i always get confusing messages "am i disabled or handicapped? or am i just making lame excuses? trouble is, there has not been much research on the psychological aspect of living with a cleft palate/speech impediment, we’re certainly not treated with equality here in the UK, more like 2nd class citizens, especially workwise, yet it’s not considered serious enough to be a disability or handicap, but it’s handicapped me from getting past a job interview for sure, so i feel like i’m in a totoally vicious circle and also permanently in the poverty trap. hey ho. regards, baz Subject: Re: Question – Struggle to accomplish? From: Nancy kipc…@msn.com Date: 23/11/2004 00:47 GMT Standard Time Message-id: <2Nvod.3456$wa1.775@lakeread04> Hi Catz! > I am exhausted all > the time and I feel as though I am struggling with everything yet > never really accomplishing any thing. Does anyone else feel this way? > I know that I am not a lazy person and no one around me would describe > me as such – yet I still never really accomplish anything! Very > frustrating.

You bring up two interesting points, Catz. a. You and I have PTSD and thus, we both have distorted visions of reality.  How can either of us determine whether or not we are accomplishing anything? b. I have learned over time that ’stuggling against it’ makes my PTSD symptoms worse. YMMV Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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In article <20041122222315.10404.00000…@mb-m25.aol.com>, Baz Automatic xx says… > …but it’s > handicapped me from getting past a job interview for sure, so i feel like i’m > in a totoally vicious circle and also permanently in the poverty trap. hey ho. > regards, baz

You put together a website and you wrote some great songs. You are far from talentless. Look at all the berks that have faces in one piece and can’t do anything at all. You also play guitar and sing in front of crowds, which makes you a lot braver than I am!

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>You put together a website and you wrote some great songs. You are far >from talentless. Look at all the berks that have faces in one piece and >can’t do anything at all. You also play guitar and sing in front of >crowds, which makes you a lot braver than I am!

thanks, i appreciate it. although nowadays i feel i’ve taken 3 steps back again and don’t feel that brave at all right now, but at least i’ve done something i never ever thought i would, but i just can’t find the confidence to sing live again. the first time i sang live was in front of 100 rowdy drunken scots in the scottish highlands lol. unfortunately, i also couldn’t write a 4 line limerick if i tried now because of all the new present stress i’m feeling right now as i’m trying to fight for access with my 2 children but i’ve run into money worries with it to pay for all the legal proceedings. in the UK, fathers access rights is a joke, the courts may well take a dim view of my cptsd and even if i do win access, my ex can still refuse to let me see them and there’s nothing legally i can do to change that. i’ve updated a song on my site recently called ‘wandering stars’ (newly dedicated to my children). i wrote it 2 years ago for my ex partners neice (on request from my ex’s mum, which went unappreciated) so i recently just about managed to change most of the lyrics, more fitting now i think. the link to my pages is below. the song is on page 2 btw. >>http://www.angelfire.com/indie/demos/Home.html<<

i’m off for my first session of counselling tomorrow morning, i’ll let you all know how i got on. just hope i’m able to wake up early enough lol kind regards, baz

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Hi Everyone! I’m sorry I haven’t responded to all the posts about my life and my life with my alcoholic husband…been in one of those "moods" where I don’t even want to get out of bed..anyway, my husband is no longer in jail..he volunteered to go into an intensive alcohol rehab and the jail transported him there last Tuesday morning..I went down to the jail to give him the ultimate ultimatum and they told me he was boarded out that morning which means they transported him someplace so I asked where to and they told me Middletown <NY> and I knew it was the rehab…that afternoon he called me from there to let me know he went there and he hopes he’ll do fine there and he can finally stay away from the alcohol…I talked to his case manager over the weekend and he told me Billy is doing well and Billy also called me and told me the program is VERY draining and I told him "well it should be if it’s  an intensive program..it shouldn’t be a cake walk"…he sounded alright just tired..I have to go there this coming Saturday and meet with his case manager to discuss his treatment there and also his after-treatment when he leaves…I brought him some clothes and stuff on Friday and the woman at the desk tried giving me that "I can’t confirm or deny whether he’s here or not " crap so I lit into her like there was no tomorrow..by the time I got done with her, she very meekly told me she’d have his things sent upstairs right away and I told her to have a good day walked out… obviously if I’m bringing his things there that means he’s there so don’t give me that confirm or deny crap…I’ve had a few attacks this past couple of weeks and of course I wasn’t prepared for them and I almost called the ambulance one night cause the heart palpitations just wouldn’t stop and I really thought I was having a heart attack…at 36yrs old you don’t think it’s possible but it is…it finally stopped and then I slept for about 9 hours…I still haven’t called for a new therapist…guess I’m afraid they’ll tell me I have to see the one I was seeing previously..so I’m doing the avoidance thing again…I hope you all are feeling well and aren’t experiencing attacks and are having some form of a good time whether it’s gardening, reading or whatever you all like to do for peace and happiness…I’ll write more soon… Gentle Hugs, ~Chrissy~

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Chrissy, if you are having attacks of rapid heart rate and palpitation’s consult your  doc, sometimes if you lay back in your easy chair or bed try to gently massage your carotid artery in your neck, either side will do, you may be able to stimulate the nerve fibers that cause the heart to function in a slow and regular rhthym this should be done with slow and deep breathing control.If you have anti-anxiety meds you should use them, if none of the above work have someone take you to the hospital. Ask your doc about this and if he/she would advise trying. I hope this helps, take care, John De

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In article <20041116115036.21903.00000…@mb-m06.aol.com>, CooleWitch2 says… > Hi Everyone! > I’m sorry I haven’t responded to all the posts about my life and my life with > my alcoholic husband…been in one of those "moods" where I don’t even want to > get out of bed..

Yeah, tell us all about them! > anyway, my husband is no longer in jail..he volunteered to go > into an intensive alcohol rehab and the jail transported him there last Tuesday > morning..I went down to the jail to give him the ultimate ultimatum and they > told me he was boarded out that morning which means they transported him > someplace so I asked where to and they told me Middletown <NY> and I knew it > was the rehab…that afternoon he called me from there to let me know he went > there and he hopes he’ll do fine there and he can finally stay away from the > alcohol…I talked to his case manager over the weekend and he told me Billy is > doing well and Billy also called me and told me the program is VERY draining > and I told him "well it should be if it’s  an intensive program..it shouldn’t > be a cake walk"…he sounded alright just tired..

This is great news, Chrissy! The fact that he volunteered is a very good sign. And yes, these things are very draining if they are being done in the right way. They have to be. I’m crossing my fingers, toes, everything that it works out for you both. I think it will mean a lot to your husband that you brought some things for him. Sad that they hassled you, but I guess they were following some set of guidelines. > I’ve had a few attacks this past > couple of weeks and of course I wasn’t prepared for them and I almost called > the ambulance one night cause the heart palpitations just wouldn’t stop and I > really thought I was having a heart attack…at 36yrs old you don’t think it’s > possible but it is…it finally stopped and then I slept for about 9 hours…I > still haven’t called for a new therapist…guess I’m afraid they’ll tell me I > have to see the one I was seeing previously..so I’m doing the avoidance thing > again…I hope you all are feeling well and aren’t experiencing attacks and are > having some form of a good time whether it’s gardening, reading or whatever you > all like to do for peace and happiness…I’ll write more soon…

If you can possibly find a way to get back into therapy, you should do so. When your husband returns anything could set you off, not just the trigger of his whisky bottle, but anything to do with him. You need to be prepared in yourself for his return. Peter

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hi john de, thanks for the tip, i didn’t know that about the carotic artery and i’ve been having a lot of heart-related anxiety going on lately too.  last week i thought i was going to have a heart attack, (i’m 41 chrissy, so i hear ya). will definitely try that though, thanks! kat "BOLOID27" <boloi…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20041116134151.06125.00000376@mb-m23.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Chrissy, if you are having attacks of rapid heart rate and palpitation’s > consult your  doc, sometimes if you lay back in your easy chair or bed try to > gently massage your carotid artery in your neck, either side will do, you may > be able to stimulate the nerve fibers that cause the heart to function in a > slow and regular rhthym this should be done with slow and deep breathing > control.If you have anti-anxiety meds you should use them, if none of the above > work have someone take you to the hospital. Ask your doc about this and if > he/she would advise trying. I hope this helps, take care, John De

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hi chrissy, i hope things work out the way you want them to.  that he’s opted for rehab, that’s a good sign. re:  heart attacks?  ptsd symptoms can be pretty intense sometimes. *shaking my head, frowning* good luck to you  though, & thanks for the update. best, kat "CooleWitch2" <coolewit…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20041116115036.21903.00000147@mb-m06.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone! > I’m sorry I haven’t responded to all the posts about my life and my life with > my alcoholic husband…been in one of those "moods" where I don’t even want to > get out of bed..anyway, my husband is no longer in jail..he volunteered to go > into an intensive alcohol rehab and the jail transported him there last Tuesday > morning..I went down to the jail to give him the ultimate ultimatum and they > told me he was boarded out that morning which means they transported him > someplace so I asked where to and they told me Middletown <NY> and I knew it > was the rehab…that afternoon he called me from there to let me know he went > there and he hopes he’ll do fine there and he can finally stay away from the > alcohol…I talked to his case manager over the weekend and he told me Billy is > doing well and Billy also called me and told me the program is VERY draining > and I told him "well it should be if it’s  an intensive program..it shouldn’t > be a cake walk"…he sounded alright just tired..I have to go there this coming > Saturday and meet with his case manager to discuss his treatment there and also > his after-treatment when he leaves…I brought him some clothes and stuff on > Friday and the woman at the desk tried giving me that "I can’t confirm or deny > whether he’s here or not " crap so I lit into her like there was no > tomorrow..by the time I got done with her, she very meekly told me she’d have > his things sent upstairs right away and I told her to have a good day walked > out… obviously if I’m bringing his things there that means he’s there so > don’t give me that confirm or deny crap…I’ve had a few attacks this past > couple of weeks and of course I wasn’t prepared for them and I almost called > the ambulance one night cause the heart palpitations just wouldn’t stop and I > really thought I was having a heart attack…at 36yrs old you don’t think it’s > possible but it is…it finally stopped and then I slept for about 9 hours…I > still haven’t called for a new therapist…guess I’m afraid they’ll tell me I > have to see the one I was seeing previously..so I’m doing the avoidance thing > again…I hope you all are feeling well and aren’t experiencing attacks and are > having some form of a good time whether it’s gardening, reading or whatever you > all like to do for peace and happiness…I’ll write more soon… > Gentle Hugs, > ~Chrissy~

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Rose Marie, wrong answer you should always say this chest pain and difficulty breathing, never give them a diagnosis they(many) really dont’ care besides coming up with the right diagnosis is their job not your’s,if you tend to hyperventillate carry around a simple brown bag to breathe into, it just might work on occassion, be well, John De

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sometimes a very simple, honest response can get one so much crap….it’s truly unbelieveable at times.  I’ve been there, John De…..one of those kill the messenger type of thingie. breathe….just breathe.  We all need a break now and then. Donna

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Hi John De! > Rose Marie, wrong answer you should always say this chest pain and > difficulty breathing, never give them a diagnosis they(many) really > dont’ care besides coming up with the right diagnosis is their job not > your’s,

Ain’t that the truth? It took me a really long time to learn that doctors don’t like to hear more than the symptoms from a patient.  Apparently, diagnoses from patients gets in the way of any God-like personal opinion of themselves. I always try to present symptoms, and lots of them.  With PTSD, the tendancy is to tell the MDs what is wrong and hide the symptoms.  Works much better to just give them all the gory details for them to arrive at the same conclusion that I have. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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Rose Marie, thank you for telling me I am your trigger, rest assured  that I will not cause ( knowingly) anyone in this group to be triggered, be well, stay healthy, John De

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Donna, thank you. Stay Healthy, John De

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -CooleWitch2 wrote: > Hi Everyone! > I’m sorry I haven’t responded to all the posts about my life and my life with > my alcoholic husband…been in one of those "moods" where I don’t even want to > get out of bed..anyway, my husband is no longer in jail..he volunteered to go > into an intensive alcohol rehab and the jail transported him there last Tuesday > morning..I went down to the jail to give him the ultimate ultimatum and they > told me he was boarded out that morning which means they transported him > someplace so I asked where to and they told me Middletown <NY> and I knew it > was the rehab…that afternoon he called me from there to let me know he went > there and he hopes he’ll do fine there and he can finally stay away from the > alcohol…I talked to his case manager over the weekend and he told me Billy is > doing well and Billy also called me and told me the program is VERY draining > and I told him "well it should be if it’s  an intensive program..it shouldn’t > be a cake walk"…he sounded alright just tired..I have to go there this coming > Saturday and meet with his case manager to discuss his treatment there and also > his after-treatment when he leaves…I brought him some clothes and stuff on > Friday and the woman at the desk tried giving me that "I can’t confirm or deny > whether he’s here or not " crap so I lit into her like there was no > tomorrow..by the time I got done with her, she very meekly told me she’d have > his things sent upstairs right away and I told her to have a good day walked > out… obviously if I’m bringing his things there that means he’s there so > don’t give me that confirm or deny crap…I’ve had a few attacks this past > couple of weeks and of course I wasn’t prepared for them and I almost called > the ambulance one night cause the heart palpitations just wouldn’t stop and I > really thought I was having a heart attack…at 36yrs old you don’t think it’s > possible but it is…it finally stopped and then I slept for about 9 hours…I > still haven’t called for a new therapist…guess I’m afraid they’ll tell me I > have to see the one I was seeing previously..so I’m doing the avoidance thing > again…I hope you all are feeling well and aren’t experiencing attacks and are > having some form of a good time whether it’s gardening, reading or whatever you > all like to do for peace and happiness…I’ll write more soon… > Gentle Hugs, > ~Chrissy~

Well I hope it works out for you and your family.  I’d say draw a bath and get some epsom salts.  Soak in the tub and play your favorite music and maybe burn some incense.  Your system is irritated and you need to go to the spa or get a massage or take a nice bath and just lay there on your bed all warm and tell yourself it’s ok.  Have a cup of camomile before bed time.  It won’t be over after he detoxes I’d say go to DALnet and visit the #AA chan on the irc.  Tell Cara Orien sent you.  They are the best bunch of all.  Check out the AA meetings IRL and make certain to get to know them so that when your husband returns then you can introduce him to them.  Abstainance is impossible to maintain without support from others in the same fix you are in.  There are somethings he can talk to his AA buddies about that you aren’t going to understand. He’ll be able to talk to someone who understands what it is like and have a good time without the booze.  Once he knows that it’s possible to quit drinking and people are there for him who have been in the same mess or worse that he can talk to and try to figure how to live the rest of his life.  Then it will be easier for him to maintain abstainance. Most people do not use drugs because they want to frack up their lives but they want to not feel so much pain.  They think they can get rid of the pain by using their substance and then they feel guilty and drink more to make themselves feel better.  Deep down they know that the only people who will accept them are fellow druggies.  Getting themselves into potentially life threatening situations and find that their prediction becomes a self fullfilling prophesy. Every day he’ll have to fight the big a that used to own his life.  Yet he’ll find other reasons that it is worth the fight.  He needs someone to call if he is considering taking a drink.  AA provides that also you need to talk with the wives of other alcoholics too because they’ll come over when you simply need someone to be there for you.

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glad to see you made it in all right & hope you had a good time! kat "Lucas" <SkyS…@overthere.com.> wrote in message

news:Xns95A373DFE25E0GoPortPower@130.133.1.4… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hope you had a good trip and are much refreshed > — > Peter Lucas > Brisbane > Australia > Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention > of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, > but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, > totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming… > "WOW! What a ride!"

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Hi kat, John and Peter! > glad to see you made it in all right & hope you had a good time! >> Hope you had a good trip and are much refreshed

Thank you for the welcome back! Yes, 3700 miles in 26 days …  visited Charlotte, Miami, Orlando, St. Augustine (via trolley), Savannah (via trolley), Cape Hatteras, Chapel Hill hosta supplier (no one was there so I toured by myself), Arlington cemetary (first time to see my parents’ grave sites). We stayed in KOA, Jellystone Park and regular campgrounds as well as a State Park in Reston, VA.  Our only problem was in Chapel Hill where the local park campground closed 15 minutes before we arrived; Marilyn stayed in a motel and I dry camped in its parking lot. Between parking lot camping and the hosta guy not being there, I was so rattled that I forgot to call TD until I was at Arlington.  Sorry, TD, I wasn’t ready to backtrack to visit you.  Marilyn wants to return to FL next year, so I may be able to meet you then. Changed the oil in the truck after visiting the Outer Banks as it was due and the shifting sands still exist there, despite the developement in the last 40 years.  Never unhitched the trailer which made life interesting at the Quick Stop oil change place in Reston. Only hit one obstacle: making a U turn in a Ford dealership (I was going North, needing to go South), I rubbed the trailer on the back of a $43,700 Ford truck and left a white mark on its back bumper.  I turned myself in to management which rubbed off the white mark and moved the truck forward so I could get out of the dealership.  And, yes, before I left I checked out the MRSP of the truck. For those of you who do not know John De very well from this ng, I want to say that he and his wife are two of the nicest folks I’ve ever met.   While we only had a short day together, John De treated me like royalty; if he ever leaves his wife, I hope he comes for a visit to Ohio. And, John De, I am still working off the carton of Marlboros you found for me.  We got back last night, and when I went to my favorite grocery store today, they only had 8 packs of Kents; I’ll need to search tomorrow at my other 2 reliable suppliers. I have to thank my Al-Anon sister, Marilyn, for getting me out of my house.  The day before we left, she came to pack her part of the trailer and I was a mess; she wasn’t sure that I could or would make the trip.   But, thanks to her patience and understanding, I did get moving finally and we left on the appointed day. For those of you wondering: I had IBS the day I left and last night as soon as I got home. :/  Sometimes, PTSD symptoms can be a real mess! Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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jeesh, you really racked up some miles then!!!  sounds like you had quite the adventure!!! i sure as heck couldn’t do something like that, so that’s really neat to me that you did!!!  made me laugh about you checking the msrp on that vehicle. yep, that’s ptsd for you.  *grinning* marilyn sounds like a wonderful friend.  that she understands how things are, and was able to help get you going too?  good deal!  we all could use a friend like that.  *g*   but a great big congratulations to you nancy for going, even when you weren’t sure if you could!!!! oh, i get ibs too when i get all nerved up about something.  i think that just kind of goes with ptsd territory though?  hopefully though, you are feeling a bit better today!  :) home sweet home, eh?  *smiling* kat "Nancy" <kipc…@msn.com> wrote in message

news:pzdmd.7754$Dk.7105@lakeread08… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi kat, John and Peter! > > glad to see you made it in all right & hope you had a good time! > >> Hope you had a good trip and are much refreshed > Thank you for the welcome back! > Yes, 3700 miles in 26 days …  visited Charlotte, Miami, Orlando, St. > Augustine (via trolley), Savannah (via trolley), Cape Hatteras, Chapel > Hill hosta supplier (no one was there so I toured by myself), Arlington > cemetary (first time to see my parents’ grave sites). > We stayed in KOA, Jellystone Park and regular campgrounds as well as a > State Park in Reston, VA.  Our only problem was in Chapel Hill where the > local park campground closed 15 minutes before we arrived; Marilyn stayed > in a motel and I dry camped in its parking lot. > Between parking lot camping and the hosta guy not being there, I was so > rattled that I forgot to call TD until I was at Arlington.  Sorry, TD, I > wasn’t ready to backtrack to visit you.  Marilyn wants to return to FL > next year, so I may be able to meet you then. > Changed the oil in the truck after visiting the Outer Banks as it was due > and the shifting sands still exist there, despite the developement in the > last 40 years.  Never unhitched the trailer which made life interesting > at the Quick Stop oil change place in Reston. > Only hit one obstacle: making a U turn in a Ford dealership (I was going > North, needing to go South), I rubbed the trailer on the back of a > $43,700 Ford truck and left a white mark on its back bumper.  I turned > myself in to management which rubbed off the white mark and moved the > truck forward so I could get out of the dealership.  And, yes, before I > left I checked out the MRSP of the truck. > For those of you who do not know John De very well from this ng, I want > to say that he and his wife are two of the nicest folks I’ve ever met. > While we only had a short day together, John De treated me like royalty; > if he ever leaves his wife, I hope he comes for a visit to Ohio. > And, John De, I am still working off the carton of Marlboros you found > for me.  We got back last night, and when I went to my favorite grocery > store today, they only had 8 packs of Kents; I’ll need to search tomorrow > at my other 2 reliable suppliers. > I have to thank my Al-Anon sister, Marilyn, for getting me out of my > house.  The day before we left, she came to pack her part of the trailer > and I was a mess; she wasn’t sure that I could or would make the trip. > But, thanks to her patience and understanding, I did get moving finally > and we left on the appointed day. > For those of you wondering: I had IBS the day I left and last night as > soon as I got home. :/  Sometimes, PTSD symptoms can be a real mess! > Smile and there will be something to smile about! > Nancy

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"kat" <kathi…@frontiernet.net> who barracks for the Brisbane Lions wrote in news:X9fmd.3923$bG5.1244@news02.roc.ny: > jeesh, you really racked up some miles then!!!  sounds like you had > quite the adventure!!! > i sure as heck couldn’t do something like that, so that’s really neat > to me that you did!!!  made me laugh about you checking the msrp on > that vehicle. yep, that’s ptsd for you.  *grinning*

For us ferriners…… what the MSRP on the vehicle? — Peter Lucas                             Brisbane                                 Australia       Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming… "WOW! What a ride!"

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manufacturer’s suggested retail price.  :) "Lucas" <SkyS…@overthere.com.> wrote in message

news:Xns95A39405D7445GoPortPower@130.133.1.4… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "kat" <kathi…@frontiernet.net> who barracks for the Brisbane Lions > wrote in news:X9fmd.3923$bG5.1244@news02.roc.ny: > > jeesh, you really racked up some miles then!!!  sounds like you had > > quite the adventure!!! > > i sure as heck couldn’t do something like that, so that’s really neat > > to me that you did!!!  made me laugh about you checking the msrp on > > that vehicle. yep, that’s ptsd for you.  *grinning* > For us ferriners…… what the MSRP on the vehicle? > — > Peter Lucas > Brisbane > Australia > Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention > of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, > but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, > totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming… > "WOW! What a ride!"

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"kat" <kathi…@frontiernet.net> who barracks for the Brisbane Lions wrote in news:Axfmd.4356$W42.4324@news01.roc.ny: > manufacturer’s suggested retail price.  :)

Okie doke — Peter Lucas                             Brisbane                                 Australia       Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming… "WOW! What a ride!"

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Nancy <kipc…@msn.com> wrote in news:pzdmd.7754$Dk.7105@lakeread08: > Hi kat, John and Peter! >> glad to see you made it in all right & hope you had a good time! >>> Hope you had a good trip and are much refreshed > Thank you for the welcome back! > Yes, 3700 miles in 26 days …  visited Charlotte, Miami, Orlando, St. > Augustine (via trolley), Savannah (via trolley), Cape Hatteras, Chapel > Hill hosta supplier (no one was there so I toured by myself), > Arlington cemetary (first time to see my parents’ grave sites).

<snip big adventure story  > > Smile and there will be something to smile about! > Nancy

It’s good to have you back Nancy. I was discussing your .sig with my offspring the other day- we reckon that saying is so true Scorpio

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Scorpio <scor…@nightsky.com> who barracks for the Brisbane Lions wrote in news:Xns95A39D28C7124scorpionightskycom@130.133.1.4: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nancy <kipc…@msn.com> wrote in news:pzdmd.7754$Dk.7105@lakeread08: >> Hi kat, John and Peter! >>> glad to see you made it in all right & hope you had a good time! >>>> Hope you had a good trip and are much refreshed >> Thank you for the welcome back! >> Yes, 3700 miles in 26 days …  visited Charlotte, Miami, Orlando, St. >> Augustine (via trolley), Savannah (via trolley), Cape Hatteras, Chapel >> Hill hosta supplier (no one was there so I toured by myself), >> Arlington cemetary (first time to see my parents’ grave sites). > <snip big adventure story  >

I saw the (via trolley) and thought of the two wheeled trolley that I have here to cart fridges/boxes etc, etc — Peter Lucas                             Brisbane                                 Australia       Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming… "WOW! What a ride!"

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"Nancy" <kipc…@msn.com> wrote in message

news:pzdmd.7754$Dk.7105@lakeread08… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi kat, John and Peter! > > glad to see you made it in all right & hope you had a good time! > >> Hope you had a good trip and are much refreshed > Thank you for the welcome back! > Yes, 3700 miles in 26 days …  visited Charlotte, Miami, Orlando, St. > Augustine (via trolley), Savannah (via trolley), Cape Hatteras, Chapel > Hill hosta supplier (no one was there so I toured by myself), Arlington > cemetary (first time to see my parents’ grave sites). > We stayed in KOA, Jellystone Park and regular campgrounds as well as a > State Park in Reston, VA.  Our only problem was in Chapel Hill where the > local park campground closed 15 minutes before we arrived; Marilyn stayed > in a motel and I dry camped in its parking lot. > Between parking lot camping and the hosta guy not being there, I was so > rattled that I forgot to call TD until I was at Arlington.  Sorry, TD, I > wasn’t ready to backtrack to visit you.  Marilyn wants to return to FL > next year, so I may be able to meet you then.

Sorry to have missed you Nancy.  I was looking forward to seeing you and your friend.  Glad to hear you had a good trip though and made it back home safely. td

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"tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> who barracks for the Brisbane Lions wrote in news:QEgmd.17788$jE2.1250@bignews4.bellsouth.net: > "Nancy" <kipc…@msn.com> wrote in message > news:pzdmd.7754$Dk.7105@lakeread08…

TD, Nancy……… the stalker is now using an email address that is exactly the same as mine. TD, If you duck over to Nutsville, I’ll let you know what I’ll be putting in mine, so that you can tell it’s me, or the pathetic stalker. — Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia Army: A body of men assembled to rectify the mistakes of the diplomats. –Josephus Daniels–

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Ann, do you live or are you anne on the prarrie of yesteryear. Stay Healthy, if you are’nt, Hello, welcome, John De

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boloi…@aol.com (BOLOID27) who barracks for the Brisbane Lions wrote in news:20041116081651.06125.00000365@mb-m23.aol.com: > Ann, do you live or are you anne on the prarrie of yesteryear. Stay > Healthy, if you are’nt, Hello, welcome, John De

John De…….. that persona "Ann" is one of the stalker/forgers. Killfile it. This is the reason I set up Nutsville…. you have scum like this mentally deranged ‘person’ who needs to assume different identities to make it’s worthless life meaningful. They are too pathetic for words. — Peter Lucas                                             Death smiles at us all Brisbane                                                All a man can do is smile back Australia      

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Welcome back is right, Nancy!  Hope you had an enjoyable, fun trip…..and you were missed here. Donna

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Donna, okay this is my last shot in the memory department, Peter (the fair minded one, I think?) just finished Zapping me with Ann:) however, I recall your name, have you been posting here in the present and past, at any rate, Hello, be well, stay Healthy, a staying disoriented, John De

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> Donna, okay this is my last shot in the memory department, Peter (the fair > minded one, I think?) just finished Zapping me with Ann:) however, I recall > your name, have you been posting here in the present and past, at any rate, > Hello, be well, stay Healthy, a staying disoriented, John De

Hello, John De I’ve been here awhile….but should have arrived prolly years ago. ;] Life is pretty tuff right now….healing can be the shit’s…it really can. Donna

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Hi kat! > jeesh, you really racked up some miles then!!!  sounds like you had > quite the adventure!!!

Actually, Marilyn’s daughter likened us to Waldo, as in ‘where is Mom today?’ > marilyn sounds like a wonderful friend.  that she understands how > things are, and was able to help get you going too?  good deal!  we > all could use a friend like that.  *g*   but a great big > congratulations to you nancy for going, even when you weren’t sure if > you could!!!!

Thank you, but what I really did was to back myself into a corner … I guess that is the way to make progress when all else fails.  Lord knows that I have painted myself into enough ‘bad’ corners in the past, before therapy especially! :/ > home sweet home, eh?  *smiling*

Yes, I am glad that I am home … the bathroom floor is finally completed.  I am not too happy with the results, but it is finally functional! I still have no way to get into my garage.  Plans are to right this situation before the snow flies, or the end of next week … whichever comes first. And, leaves everywhere.  No rest for the well-travelled. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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> It’s good to have you back Nancy. I was discussing your .sig with my > offspring the other day- we reckon that saying is so true

Thank you, Scorpio! In 12 Step groups we remember Lincoln’s (I think) saying that folks are as happy as they decide to be. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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Hi Peter! I tried to reply to you earlier, but the memory clogged up and I saved a response.  If it suddenly appears, the computer found the response, not I. > I saw the (via trolley) and thought of the two wheeled trolley that I > have here to cart fridges/boxes etc, etc

Trolleys here have several axles, not just one. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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Hi Donna! > Welcome back is right, Nancy!  Hope you had an enjoyable, fun > trip…..and you were missed here.

Thank you. I’ve spent the last 2 days trying to catch up on this ng.  It has been really busy in my absence. Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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Nancy <kipc…@msn.com> who barracks for the Brisbane Lions wrote in news:%Bxmd.215$wC.40@lakeread08: > Hi Peter! > I tried to reply to you earlier, but the memory clogged up and I saved > a response.  If it suddenly appears, the computer found the response, > not I. >> I saw the (via trolley) and thought of the two wheeled trolley that I >> have here to cart fridges/boxes etc, etc > Trolleys here have several axles, not just one.

Yeah, figgered that one! Couldn’t see you being wheeled around Hannibal Lechter style into several different towns — Peter Lucas                                             Death smiles at us all Brisbane                                                All a man can do is smile back Australia      

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Miniture Japaneese maple easy to care for sturdy/hardy and beautiful to look at. JD

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In article <20041116231536.14202.00000…@mb-m13.aol.com>,  boloi…@aol.com (BOLOID27) wrote: > Miniture Japaneese maple easy to care for sturdy/hardy and beautiful to look > at. JD

And this blocks my view of the neighboring acreage?  Miniature sounds kind of small.  How tall do they grow? Marie

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hi nancy, > Actually, Marilyn’s daughter likened us to Waldo, as in ‘where is Mom > today?’

*laughing*  i guess!!! > Thank you, but what I really did was to back myself into a corner … I > guess that is the way to make progress when all else fails.  Lord knows > that I have painted myself into enough ‘bad’ corners in the past, before > therapy especially! :/

i still paint myself into bad spots sometimes, even with therapy. :/  but progress is progress, even if you have to back yourself in a corner to do it.  :) > > home sweet home, eh?  *smiling* > Yes, I am glad that I am home … the bathroom floor is finally > completed.  I am not too happy with the results, but it is finally > functional!

when i read the part of your message about your bathroom floor being functional, i got this visual image of me running in to use our toilet and falling through the floor to the basement.  (which of course made me laugh) so…with that in mind?  i’m really, REALLY glad your floor’s functional now.  lol > I still have no way to get into my garage.  Plans are to right this > situation before the snow flies, or the end of next week … whichever > comes first. > And, leaves everywhere.  No rest for the well-travelled.

nope. *g*   we did our leaves last week, there were a lot.  & our 4 labs kept running in them and romping, dragging the piles out bigger.  it was a great game for them.  *rolling my eyes*  like having kids. kat

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Hope you had a good trip and are much refreshed — Peter Lucas                             Brisbane                                 Australia       Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming… "WOW! What a ride!"

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Nancy,congratulations on the successful completion of your extended trip. Now is all you have to do is to sit still for awhile with your feet flat on the ground and your hands on your lap in 24 hours the vehicle should come to a stop:) and you will once again enjoy the freshness of the wind, Stay Healthy, John De

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hm…well, i’m still hearing voices, only not nearly like i was.  mostly now, i hear other stuff…noises that make me turn around and look when nothing is there.  things like glass shattering and garage doors closing – that sort of thing.  usually, the noises are not appropriate to the environment i’m in, so i know they’re not real, only it’s really hard not to look.   i’ve been trying to train myself to -not- respond to any sort of loud noise – at least not initially.  that way, i can sort of casually look in the direction it came from and see if it was real or not.  or watch the faces of other people around me to see if they respond.   the noisier it gets in my head, the more calm i get on the outside.  and i hate it, because it’s like another secret i have to keep from people.   does anyone else hear noises that don’t belong? In black, there are all colors,      Where darkness, always the light,              Iridescent the raven’s wing in sunlight.                                  – Brooke Medicine Eagle

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hm…well, i’m still hearing voices, only not nearly like i was.  mostly now, i hear other stuff…noises that make me turn around and look when nothing is there.  things like glass shattering and garage doors closing – that sort of thing.  usually, the noises are not appropriate to the environment i’m in, so i know they’re not real, only it’s really hard not to look.

i hear these things too.  people calling my name, sirens, things breaking… also see things out of the corners of my eyes.  small movements like cats usually, but sometimes it’s in my field of vision, kind of a pattern that lays accross reality like an undulating web of electricity. i’ve often wondered what these things are.  sometimes i think i might be crazy.  :-) i’ve been trying to train myself to -not- respond to any sort of loud noise – at least not initially.  that way, i can sort of casually look in the direction it came from and see if it was real or not.  or watch the faces of other people around me to see if they respond.

i sometimes plug my ears to see if the sound continues, that way i know if it’s inside or outside my head. the noisier it gets in my head, the more calm i get on the outside.  and i hate it, because it’s like another secret i have to keep from people.

i think i’ve always had the noises.  it’s just part of the background for me, like the arguing voice who tells me i’m wrong, i’m bad, i don’t deserve to be happy…  it’s jnust something that’s there for me. does anyone else hear noises that don’t belong?

i guess that would be a yes, then. -kelly

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hm…well, i’m still hearing voices, only not nearly like

i was.  mostly now, i hear other stuff…noises that make me turn around and

look when nothing is there.  things like glass shattering and garage doors

closing – that sort of thing.  usually, the noises are not appropriate to the

environment i’m in, so i know they’re not real, only it’s really hard not to look. i’ve been trying to train myself to -not- respond to any

sort of loud noise – at least not initially.  that way, i can sort of casually

look in the direction it came from and see if it was real or not.  or watch the

faces of other people around me to see if they respond. the noisier it gets in my head, the more calm i get on the

outside.  and i hate it, because it’s like another secret i have to keep from people. does anyone else hear noises that don’t belong?

not that i’m aware of.  i assume it’s all real.  sound’s very important to me. when i was a kid, though, sometimes i would hear the sky sigh.  looking back, i’m pretty sure it had something to do with the steel plant less than a mile away as the crow flies…but it made me wonder.  *whimsical smile* the last few days, though, i’ve been "seeing" stuff that’s not really there.  like i was working in the apartment yesterday, and thought sure i saw dave (or somebody) walk past the door of the room i was in.  when i double-checked, there was nothing there, nothing moving. things like that have happened 2 other times in the last 2 or 3 days.  i’ve always been able to verify that it *wasn’t* real…which ironically means i *passed* my reality tests (not being able to figure it out would have meant i failed)…but that kinda thing’s pretty rare for me. i sorta attribute it to the increased ptsd symptoms i’ve been having to put up with since the nayboor thing. someone in my head suggested that i ask if you’ve talked with a doc/pdoc/neurologist or anyone abt the things you hear, and is this a relatively new occurance, or just same-old-same-old?  did it get worse recently?  or just more noticeable? beyond the practical considerations, however, i’m sorry that there’s yet one more thing u feel like u need to hide.  i’m glad u don’t have to hide it here. *caring* jt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In black, there are all colors,      Where darkness, always the light,              Iridescent the raven’s wing in sunlight.                                  – Brooke Medicine Eagle

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hm…well, i’m still hearing voices, only not nearly like i was.  mostly now, i hear other stuff…noises that make me turn around and look when nothing is there.  things like glass shattering and garage doors closing – that sort of thing.  usually, the noises are not appropriate to the environment i’m in, so i know they’re not real, only it’s really hard not to look.   i’ve been trying to train myself to -not- respond to any sort of loud noise – at least not initially.  that way, i can sort of casually look in the direction it came from and see if it was real or not.  or watch the faces of other people around me to see if they respond.   the noisier it gets in my head, the more calm i get on the outside.  and i hate it, because it’s like another secret i have to keep from people.   does anyone else hear noises that don’t belong?

I used to. The more anxious I was the more I heard them. They were all related to ptsd and anxiety. Now I not only hear ‘real’ sounds *grin* but react to them appropriately. Of course it still feels odd to do this and I always have a split second hesitation to decide if I should hide my reaction. Yesterday we had a huge thunder storm and there was a lightning and thunder at the same time that sounded like it was just outside the kitchen. I jumped a foot and my heart did a weird little lurching thing. I _still_ had a second’s hesitation that I maybe should be acting all calm and cool ~ I was _convinced_ that a 250 year old pine tree just outside the kitchen was cracked in half and coming for the house! Rainbow Colors (Jill) —      The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing                    we are becoming white light.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hm…well, i’m still hearing voices, only not nearly like i was.  mostly now, i hear other stuff…noises that make me turn around and look when nothing is there.  things like glass shattering and garage doors closing – that sort of thing.  usually, the noises are not appropriate to the environment i’m in, so i know they’re not real, only it’s really hard not to look. i hear these things too.  people calling my name, sirens, things breaking… also see things out of the corners of my eyes.  small movements like cats usually, but sometimes it’s in my field of vision, kind of a pattern that lays accross reality like an undulating web of

electricity. i get the patterns in my field of vision.  spent many an hour trying to "catch" them (cuz they’re never in the *center*) so i could "see" them clearly when i was a kid. those are neurological things, i’m pretty sure.  ’s pretty much the same kind of thing as the aura that can accompany migraines. i’ve often wondered what these things are.  sometimes i think i might be crazy.  :-)

nah…that would mean i am, too!  :) i’ve been trying to train myself to -not- respond to any sort of loud noise – at least not initially.  that way, i can sort of

casually look in the direction it came from and see if it was real or not.  or watch the faces of other people around me to see if they respond. i sometimes plug my ears to see if the sound continues, that way i know if it’s inside or outside my head.

that’s a really cool idea! the noisier it gets in my head, the more calm i get on the outside.  and i hate it, because it’s like another secret i have to keep from people. i think i’ve always had the noises.  it’s just part of the background for me, like the arguing voice who tells me i’m wrong, i’m

bad, i don’t deserve to be happy…  it’s jnust something that’s there for me.

ahh…that voice.  that used to be me.  tell that voice for me that i appreciate all the work it’s done keeping you safe all these years, n that i know d*mned well how hard a job that is.  tell it i said thanks.  and that there’s an easier way to do that job, and it’s sooo much better, and it’s worth it.  tell it i said it can talk to me anytime, and i don’t care if it cusses me out or tells me i’m stupid. that’s fine w/me. when i encounter another voice like i used to be inside my head, i tell it "hey, it’s ok.  it’s safe now.  what’s wrong?"  …but before i got to that point, i used to say "it’s ok.  i forgive u for having to be an ashole.  i lv u." but i always say "thanks", cuz it is NOT fun, being that voice.  but we couldn’t have survived without me.  and the other protectors like me. i just wish i hadn’t had to h*rt the kids so much along the way… but they forgave me, even though i didn’t think i deserved it. l8r blue (jt) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – does anyone else hear noises that don’t belong? i guess that would be a yes, then. -kelly

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hm…well, i’m still hearing voices, only not nearly like i was.  mostly now, i hear other stuff…noises that make me turn around and look when nothing is there.  things like glass shattering and garage doors closing – that sort of thing.  usually, the noises are not appropriate to the environment i’m in, so i know they’re not real, only it’s really hard not to look.   i’ve been trying to train myself to -not- respond to any sort of loud noise – at least not initially.  that way, i can sort of casually look in the direction it came from and see if it was real or not.  or watch the faces of other people around me to see if they respond.  

Wow.  Impressive. the noisier it gets in my head, the more calm i get on the outside.  and i hate it, because it’s like another secret i have to keep from people.  

Yick. does anyone else hear noises that don’t belong?

Noooo. But time was I saw things which didn’t.  Could be pretty grisly, but psychedelically-coloured cilia gently waving from the walls were pretty neat. Used to be associated with – urgh, call it anxiety – massive whelm, really.  And lack of sleep. Still see spiders occasionally, but since I moderately like them, insofar as a (slightly) sane person can like a creature with an exoskeleton, it’s not a big deal. Baba Yaga

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Yes, I do hear noises sometimes – often late at night when I am by myself, in my bed. Sometimes I experience synaesthesia – the thing where one sense-stimulation produces effects of another sense, e.g., a loud noise (or sense of it) also produces the sense of a brilliant flash of colored light. Sometimes I hear a collection of frightening voices in a rush. Sometimes I see images of faces (behind my eyelids). Sometimes, yes, I am awakened, or so, by loud noises of some sort. Did I dream them? Maybe. Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hm…well, i’m still hearing voices, only not nearly like i was.  mostly now, i hear other stuff…noises that make me turn around and look when nothing is there.  things like glass shattering and garage doors closing – that sort of thing.  usually, the noises are not appropriate to the environment i’m in, so i know they’re not real, only it’s really hard not to look.   i’ve been trying to train myself to -not- respond to any sort of loud noise – at least not initially.  that way, i can sort of casually look in the direction it came from and see if it was real or not.  or watch the faces of other people around me to see if they respond.   the noisier it gets in my head, the more calm i get on the outside.  and i hate it, because it’s like another secret i have to keep from people.   does anyone else hear noises that don’t belong? In black, there are all colors,      Where darkness, always the light,              Iridescent the raven’s wing in sunlight.                                  – Brooke Medicine Eagle

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"tinydancer" <tinydan…@nowhere.com> wrote in message <news:pzinc.147590$Yw5.61454@bignews4.bellsouth.net>… > Hi bobbilyn, > I think it affects different people different ways, but on the whole what > you state is pretty common.  What I meant by ‘different people/diffrent > ways’ is that I’m just the opposite of Z.  I could never watch horror movies > or particularly scary things.  They just sort of exaggerated the fears I had > inside as a kid. > I also find that ‘if I’m aware of what might be in a movie, I can cope a bit > better.’   I also can’t watch any movies depicting rape or sexual assaults. > And sometimes certain movies catch me completely off guard.  The last one I > can remember doing that was ‘The Devine Secrets of the YaYa Sisterhood.’  I > had a severe reaction to that one, it just wiped me out.  Crying, sobbing, > and totally depressed for days afterwards. > td >Tinydancer,

When you watched that movie, "The Devine Secrets of sthe YaYa Sisterhood, how were you able to cope after the crying and the depression those days after. In my experience, what happens to me, I cannot stop thinking about it. it continues to replay in my head like a broken record. And the more I think about it the more I look into the violent scene that I got a glimpse of. In my therapy the psychiatric nurse said that for people that have PTSD the biggest trigger is the visual. And in my experience it is. This is one fear that I truly hope I will be able to find some coping exercises that will help me. Thanks again td for your response. Bobbilyn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "bobbilyn" <borinquen…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:de381155.0405062129.7457a072@posting.google.com… > > I don’t know but from what I remember from my therapy at Destinations, > > I remember the psychiatric nurse telling me how when someone has had a > > trauma of being abused, that when watching a sexual attack on the T.V > > is very disturbing for people that have had a trauma with abuse. Well > > the reason I raise this is because lately I have been having many > > problems with wanting to watch T.V. I can’t without ending up > > paralyzed on my seat because of something graphic, violent scenes on > > the tube. Now when my boyfriend and I go to the movies, or rent a > > video we have to read the fine print in the rating box to make sure > > even the slightest scene won’t make me uncomfortable that I end up > > walking out of movie theatre or stopping the VCR. Sometimes I like to > > watch South Park because it makes me laugh, but I can’t anymore, > > because you never know when to expect something disturbing. Something > > tells me that all this my boyfriend is bothered by. Maybe bothered is > > not the right word, I don’t know. In conclusion I wanted to know from > > other people’s experience if they have come across this problem, this > > fear. And if so, what is it that you do when this happens. > > Bobbilyn

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"bobbilyn" <borinquen…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:de381155.0405091134.f4f5101@posting.google.com… snippedt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > better.’   I also can’t watch any movies depicting rape or sexual assaults. > > And sometimes certain movies catch me completely off guard.  The last one I > > can remember doing that was ‘The Devine Secrets of the YaYa Sisterhood.’ I > > had a severe reaction to that one, it just wiped me out.  Crying, sobbing, > > and totally depressed for days afterwards. > > td > >Tinydancer, > When you watched that movie, "The Devine Secrets of sthe YaYa > Sisterhood, how were you able to cope after the crying and the > depression those days after.

I used to be that way bobbilyn, it would just weigh on me, make me so depressed for days and days.  For myself, I’ve found the more I talk about something, get it out, the less long-lasting impact it has, or perhaps I should word it, the faster I can recover from it or stop it from haunting me.  I’m not exactly sure how to word that.  All I know is the more I get it out, talk about it, explain to others just why it upset me so much, the more relief I get. When I watched the ‘YaYa’ movie, I thought it was just going to be another of those ‘girl movies’.  I had no idea about the craziness, the mental breakdown, watching the effect it had on the children, etc.  I don’t know if you saw the movie or not, but it just threw me into a tailspin.  I saw it from the crazy woman’s side, the kids side, and then my own children’s side, how they must’ve felt when me, their mom, lost it.  I mean I just got hysterical watching that movie, hysterical with grief, horror, the whole gamet.  I cried and cried, talked to my husband, trying to explain to him how I felt.  Then I called my daughters and talked to them about ‘how they felt’ when I had my breakdown.  We cried, my daughters and me, and we talked in a bit more depth about all that had happened.  And then I watched the movie over again, because I really felt like I needed to watch it again. Movies that have rape scenes in them, or extreme violence, I usually try to avoid.  I can’t remember if you have a husband or a boyfriend?  But I would guess it depends upon how committed your relationship is with that person. I mean, if this is a person who is very committed to you, then I’d recommend the two of you going to some therapy together.  After my husband attended some therapy sessions with me, and my therapist was able to explain a few things to him, he was able to be much more supportive of me.  He learned things to say and do, to try and help make those ‘bad times’ less traumatic. He learned coping skills, sometimes just knowing to come and put his arm around me and give me a hug at certain times makes all the difference in the world. I hope this helps, best, td  In my experience, what happens to me, I – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> cannot stop thinking about it. it continues to replay in my head like > a broken record. And the more I think about it the more I look into > the violent scene that I got a glimpse of. In my therapy the > psychiatric nurse said that for people that have PTSD the biggest > trigger is the visual. And in my experience it is. This is one fear > that I truly hope I will be able to find some coping exercises that > will help me. Thanks again td for your response. > Bobbilyn > > "bobbilyn" <borinquen…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:de381155.0405062129.7457a072@posting.google.com… > > > I don’t know but from what I remember from my therapy at Destinations, > > > I remember the psychiatric nurse telling me how when someone has had a > > > trauma of being abused, that when watching a sexual attack on the T.V > > > is very disturbing for people that have had a trauma with abuse. Well > > > the reason I raise this is because lately I have been having many > > > problems with wanting to watch T.V. I can’t without ending up > > > paralyzed on my seat because of something graphic, violent scenes on > > > the tube. Now when my boyfriend and I go to the movies, or rent a > > > video we have to read the fine print in the rating box to make sure > > > even the slightest scene won’t make me uncomfortable that I end up > > > walking out of movie theatre or stopping the VCR. Sometimes I like to > > > watch South Park because it makes me laugh, but I can’t anymore, > > > because you never know when to expect something disturbing. Something > > > tells me that all this my boyfriend is bothered by. Maybe bothered is > > > not the right word, I don’t know. In conclusion I wanted to know from > > > other people’s experience if they have come across this problem, this > > > fear. And if so, what is it that you do when this happens. > > > Bobbilyn

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Hi Bobbilyn, I used to watch horror movies as a young child so that home life didn’t seem so bad.  Then later as an adult I would read Stephen King books just before bed, and strangely enough that would usually somehow prevent a nightmare. But now, sometimes an unexpected scene in a movie or tv show will cause a nightmare, or an adrenline dump, or freeze me up. I have to decide how badly do I want to see the movie or tv show.  Or even listen to the radio as that can cause triggers as well. It’s up to me and I make my decisions based on how I’m feeling lately.  If things have been OK, maybe I’ll try the news tonight.  If I’ve pushed myself all day and am tired then maybe not.  As it is I generally don’t watch a lot of tv and seldom go to the theatre.  When I do I sit at the very back of the theatre.  My partner understands and joins me there.  Sometimes we’ve gone with others, and if I feel secure I’ll maybe sit with the group instead of back against the wall. If your boyfriend is uncomfortable, that’s about him – not you.  Don’t blame yourself if others aren’t understanding or trying to be understanding and supportive.  It’s not your fault that something terrible happened to you or that now you’re having to cope with the resulting ptsd symptoms.    We need to be able to say, "Hey, I want to watch *whatever* to enjoy it, not to be triggered by it. We have rights as people to take care of ourselves.  We don’t have to subject ourselves to triggers when there are enough of them sometimes in one day to freak us out for months. We shouldn’t be devalued with a lack of compassion by those we look to for support and nurturing. Z55 "bobbilyn" <borinquen…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I don’t know but from what I remember from my therapy at Destinations, >I remember the psychiatric nurse telling me how when someone has had a >trauma of being abused, that when watching a sexual attack on the T.V >is very disturbing for people that have had a trauma with abuse. Well >the reason I raise this is because lately I have been having many >problems with wanting to watch T.V. I can’t without ending up >paralyzed on my seat because of something graphic, violent scenes on >the tube. Now when my boyfriend and I go to the movies, or rent a >video we have to read the fine print in the rating box to make sure >even the slightest scene won’t make me uncomfortable that I end up >walking out of movie theatre or stopping the VCR. Sometimes I like to >watch South Park because it makes me laugh, but I can’t anymore, >because you never know when to expect something disturbing. Something >tells me that all this my boyfriend is bothered by. Maybe bothered is >not the right word, I don’t know. In conclusion I wanted to know from >other people’s experience if they have come across this problem, this >fear. And if so, what is it that you do when this happens. >Bobbilyn

What Z said. Exactly! Risa

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Hi BobbiLyn! Amen to what Z55 said! Please print it out and post it somewhere that you can see it every day until you do not forget the message. I used to have to take little snippits like this and post them near where I was making decisions in order to NOT forget what I wanted to do ‘in a moment of stress’. YMMV Smile and there will be something to smile about! Nancy

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For awhile I had this same problem but then just about everything in life was triggering to me.  I didn’t want to hide away from the world and I was doing that for a time.  I’ve done my best to take my life back…..I won’t let cars, movies, helicoptors, etc control my life any longer.  At times I’ve had to force myself to do whatever….and it worked.  I’m bigger then my abuse and I won’t let my abuse control me.  Now, hardly anything triggers me into ptsd.  I will have "the thoughts" of what happened to me, but I can control it and not allow it to go further. This is just what worked for me.  It wasn’t easy but it has been worth it. Donna

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great advice from the others.  the only thing i would add is to carry a small notepad and briefly jot down what bothers you and how you feel as soon as possible (i even have a pen with a light for when i go to movies).  be as specific as you can (ie. instead of ‘uncomfortable’, try to narrow it down to ’scare’, ‘anxious’, ‘nauseous’, etc.).  then later (next day, week, whenever it feels ok) look back at your notes and think about things you could do to minimize the effect of each instance.  sometimes looking at situations out of context makes it less distressing to think about. for example, one of the first patterns i discovered in my notes was that i usually felt a mixture of nausea and disgust when two people simply kissed. but only if they were married and only at movies (the same situation on tv didnt seem to bother me).  after thinking about it i realized what memory these scenes triggered and that the reason it only happened in theaters was because i tend to get ‘into’ the story more (darkness, big screen, no distractions like phone etc.).  so from then on, whenever i was in a movie and it seemed like the plot was leading in that direction, i would try to disengage from the movie a bit (like with commercials on tv) and remind myself that i didnt know these people, it was a fictional story, had nothing to do with me, etc. didnt totally work the first couple of times and obviously some triggers are more severe than kissing, but eventually i could watch a scene like without discomfort. my nickel(inflation), ymmv t "bobbilyn" <borinquen…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:de381155.0405062129.7457a072@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t know but from what I remember from my therapy at Destinations, > I remember the psychiatric nurse telling me how when someone has had a > trauma of being abused, that when watching a sexual attack on the T.V > is very disturbing for people that have had a trauma with abuse. Well > the reason I raise this is because lately I have been having many > problems with wanting to watch T.V. I can’t without ending up > paralyzed on my seat because of something graphic, violent scenes on > the tube. Now when my boyfriend and I go to the movies, or rent a > video we have to read the fine print in the rating box to make sure > even the slightest scene won’t make me uncomfortable that I end up > walking out of movie theatre or stopping the VCR. Sometimes I like to > watch South Park because it makes me laugh, but I can’t anymore, > because you never know when to expect something disturbing. Something > tells me that all this my boyfriend is bothered by. Maybe bothered is > not the right word, I don’t know. In conclusion I wanted to know from > other people’s experience if they have come across this problem, this > fear. And if so, what is it that you do when this happens. > Bobbilyn

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Hiya Nancy! I need to print it out for myself?! *grin*  I learned it from ya’ll here in the ptsd group! Z55 "Nancy" <kipc…@msn.com> wrote in message

news:UQJmc.5960$nN6.4283@lakeread06… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi BobbiLyn! > Amen to what Z55 said! > Please print it out and post it somewhere that you can see it every day > until you do not forget the message. > I used to have to take little snippits like this and post them near where I > was making decisions in order to NOT forget what I wanted to do ‘in a > moment of stress’. > YMMV > Smile and there will be something to smile about! > Nancy

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"bobbilyn" <borinquen…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:de381155.0405062129.7457a072@posting.google.com… > I don’t know but from what I remember from my therapy at Destinations, > I remember the psychiatric nurse telling me how when someone has had a [snip] > Bobbilyn

Hi Bobbilyn. I know how you feel. I can’t watch movies or even view photos of people being tortured. I walk out of movies if torture scenes are shown. (These are my true feelings and not a sarcastic dig at the Iraq situation.)

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Hi bobbilyn, I think it affects different people different ways, but on the whole what you state is pretty common.  What I meant by ‘different people/diffrent ways’ is that I’m just the opposite of Z.  I could never watch horror movies or particularly scary things.  They just sort of exaggerated the fears I had inside as a kid. I also find that ‘if I’m aware of what might be in a movie, I can cope a bit better.’   I also can’t watch any movies depicting rape or sexual assaults. And sometimes certain movies catch me completely off guard.  The last one I can remember doing that was ‘The Devine Secrets of the YaYa Sisterhood.’  I had a severe reaction to that one, it just wiped me out.  Crying, sobbing, and totally depressed for days afterwards. td "bobbilyn" <borinquen…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:de381155.0405062129.7457a072@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t know but from what I remember from my therapy at Destinations, > I remember the psychiatric nurse telling me how when someone has had a > trauma of being abused, that when watching a sexual attack on the T.V > is very disturbing for people that have had a trauma with abuse. Well > the reason I raise this is because lately I have been having many > problems with wanting to watch T.V. I can’t without ending up > paralyzed on my seat because of something graphic, violent scenes on > the tube. Now when my boyfriend and I go to the movies, or rent a > video we have to read the fine print in the rating box to make sure > even the slightest scene won’t make me uncomfortable that I end up > walking out of movie theatre or stopping the VCR. Sometimes I like to > watch South Park because it makes me laugh, but I can’t anymore, > because you never know when to expect something disturbing. Something > tells me that all this my boyfriend is bothered by. Maybe bothered is > not the right word, I don’t know. In conclusion I wanted to know from > other people’s experience if they have come across this problem, this > fear. And if so, what is it that you do when this happens. > Bobbilyn

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I don’t know but from what I remember from my therapy at Destinations, I remember the psychiatric nurse telling me how when someone has had a trauma of being abused, that when watching a sexual attack on the T.V is very disturbing for people that have had a trauma with abuse. Well the reason I raise this is because lately I have been having many problems with wanting to watch T.V. I can’t without ending up paralyzed on my seat because of something graphic, violent scenes on the tube. Now when my boyfriend and I go to the movies, or rent a video we have to read the fine print in the rating box to make sure even the slightest scene won’t make me uncomfortable that I end up walking out of movie theatre or stopping the VCR. Sometimes I like to watch South Park because it makes me laugh, but I can’t anymore, because you never know when to expect something disturbing. Something tells me that all this my boyfriend is bothered by. Maybe bothered is not the right word, I don’t know. In conclusion I wanted to know from other people’s experience if they have come across this problem, this fear. And if so, what is it that you do when this happens. Bobbilyn

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Hi td! I agree… It’s interesting about what we associate in terms of clothing or "attitude" with a particular lifestyle.  Sometimes when I’m retreating from the world, especially at important trauma anniversaries, I forget about all this.  It’s sad when I do forget because that usually signals a difficult time.  A time when it’s difficult to even shower, let alone consider what to wear. My friend with multiple Harleys wears black leather vests, black leather jackets, boots, etc.  I think it’s all interesting.  She’ll probably just loan me some of her things for my beginning forays into Harleyland. Z can advise me on correct practices.  That is so cool. In my life as an artist I dress for comfort…almost a uniform: a T-shirt and a larger than I need man’s shirt over jeans or black pants in my studio.  At the gallery where I exhibit and do some of my work each week, I love to dress in my comfortable Deva dresses and handpainted scarves…like a classy hippy. The world of musical performer in three groups has me always in black. When performing onstage (always in black) I wear rather dramatic eye makeup and my long hair is usually loose.  And again it’s like a uniform. As an educator, I usually wear what you think of most college professors wearing, tweedy, classic and comfortable.  Another uniform of sorts. In a lengthy meditation last year, I saw myself as an older woman barefoot on a beach, smiling…wearing white gauzy yoga pants, a white loose tunic, and long loose naturally gray hair…I saw myself not in my usual black…but in white, not in high heels but barefoot…and not with pale skin and dramatic makeup but relaxed and tanned, without makeup. I have no idea what any of this means…just that in my everyday life I seem to wear uniforms and in my dreams and meditations I seem to be very relaxed and free… Thank you for the the little off topic posting, td…I had fun.  : ) I love the idea of your broomstick skirts and earrings, by the way… Take care, Anne on the prairie >Z will have to come in here and give you ‘fashion tips’ for Harley riders. >;-))  She’s got that one down pat, I’m afraid my broomstick skirts and big >earings might be a bit of a hinderance!   <g>   We got into fashion awhile >back, while you were gone, so I’m sure Z will know what I’m referring to. >Perhaps you could ask for some black leather chaps as a gift?    ;-) >td

Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: "Wow … What a ride!"

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"Anneks89" <annek…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040406030514.22368.00000567@mb-m14.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi td! > I agree… > It’s interesting about what we associate in terms of clothing or "attitude" > with a particular lifestyle.  Sometimes when I’m retreating from the world, > especially at important trauma anniversaries, I forget about all this. It’s > sad when I do forget because that usually signals a difficult time.  A time > when it’s difficult to even shower, let alone consider what to wear. > My friend with multiple Harleys wears black leather vests, black leather > jackets, boots, etc.  I think it’s all interesting.  She’ll probably just loan > me some of her things for my beginning forays into Harleyland. Z can advise me > on correct practices.  That is so cool. > In my life as an artist I dress for comfort…almost a uniform: a T-shirt and a > larger than I need man’s shirt over jeans or black pants in my studio.  At the > gallery where I exhibit and do some of my work each week, I love to dress in my > comfortable Deva dresses and handpainted scarves…like a classy hippy. > The world of musical performer in three groups has me always in black. When > performing onstage (always in black) I wear rather dramatic eye makeup and my > long hair is usually loose.  And again it’s like a uniform. > As an educator, I usually wear what you think of most college professors > wearing, tweedy, classic and comfortable.  Another uniform of sorts. > In a lengthy meditation last year, I saw myself as an older woman barefoot on a > beach, smiling…wearing white gauzy yoga pants, a white loose tunic, and long > loose naturally gray hair…I saw myself not in my usual black…but in white, > not in high heels but barefoot…and not with pale skin and dramatic makeup but > relaxed and tanned, without makeup. > I have no idea what any of this means…just that in my everyday life I seem to > wear uniforms and in my dreams and meditations I seem to be very relaxed and > free… > Thank you for the the little off topic posting, td…I had fun.  : ) > I love the idea of your broomstick skirts and earrings, by the way… > Take care, > Anne on the prairie

I wonder how many of us have ‘uniforms’?  As I was reading your post Annie, it reminded me that I do too.  It all depends upon which of the ‘me’s’ is strong and present at the time.  Sometimes I’m quite the gypsy, in my flowing long skirts, huge earings, etc.  Other times it’s all in black, or perhaps my overalls, or when I’m feeling particularly tough it might be jeans and boots.  It seems to all depend upon how I feel that day, which of the me’s is most prominent.  Whether I wear my hair down and wild or up with little curly wisps peeking out around my face and ears.  Those who know me well can judge just how ‘good’ I might feel simply by my ‘dress’. td

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You have brought up a really interesting point, td.  I think there might be something in this "uniform" thing too…   I definitely think that there is a correlation between the different selves in a DID diagnosis and ones dress. Just like the sleeping on the couch stuff being part of so many of our PTSD responses, this makes so much sense to me. When I went through a black silk jumpsuit phase a few years back, I just bought 6 of them because that was who I was.  I also bought 6 of the same white shirt because it was the identity I reached for almost more than the clothing. Now that the selves are being heard in my therapy and in my journaling and now that they have names, and ages, and sexual identities…the clothing, or uniforms make even more sense. I’ll write now a bit about the DID stuff.  Anyone not interested in DID can move on if they wish. I don’t know if anyone else with the diagnosis of both PTSD and DID has had the selves made known to them or not.  It’s kind of interesting and really explains a lot of my more perplexing identity switches over the years.  The fact that I have 3 very different careers is no surprise.  The fact that I am drawn to such different kinds of men and women as friends makes sense now.  I’ve always known the different selves saved my life more than once and have helped me in so many ways over the years… I didn’t know that one of my selves was a protector, a man much like a Charles Bronson vigilante character or a good US Marshal. When the Native American healer asked him for permission to work on my healing at first he refused.  He didn’t think I was ready, Then he let her.  At the end of that session, he fell into a deep and restful sleep and has not presented himself since.  There are at least three others who have presented themselves, two are the age I was when I was almost murdered.  The difficult person in the bunch is me, Anne… I still have difficulty letting go.  I want desperately to avoid living fully in the present.  Through therapy, 12 step program meetings, meditation, prayer, and massage my body is slowly allowing myself to experience more and more of the present without fear. The expression "baby steps" has almost poignant meaning to me now… My PTSD therapist says that having the selves work together is part of what’s going on right now for me.  Being more fully in the present, she says, will help lessen some of the PTSD symptoms.  I’m not sure I believe her.  But I’m acting "as if"… I thought that learning about all of them separately was what would help most but it has turned out that my therapist was right and they are all part of me…Not separating them so dramatically is bringing a new level of peace. I know I’ve been rambling on a bit. You brought up some good points td.  Really helpful to me. Thanks! Take care, Anne on the prairie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I wonder how many of us have ‘uniforms’?  As I was reading your post Annie, >it reminded me that I do too.  It all depends upon which of the ‘me’s’ is >strong and present at the time.  Sometimes I’m quite the gypsy, in my >flowing long skirts, huge earings, etc.  Other times it’s all in black, or >perhaps my overalls, or when I’m feeling particularly tough it might be >jeans and boots.  It seems to all depend upon how I feel that day, which of >the me’s is most prominent.  Whether I wear my hair down and wild or up with >little curly wisps peeking out around my face and ears.  Those who know me >well can judge just how ‘good’ I might feel simply by my ‘dress’. >td

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"Jim Magell" <jmagell…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:c4a5p7$2fng2i$1@ID-40185.news.uni-berlin.de… > You’re a well known troll so I have no interest in your opinion.

Bwhahahahaha.   You got that right.

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"Peter" <groups-ab…@google.com> > Perhaps a Google on "Peter Lucas" might be equally instructive.

Too much reading. You’ll confuse them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> http://tinyurl.com/233af

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You’re a well known troll so I have no interest in your opinion. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lucas, Peter wrote: > So what else are you taking with the Cytomel?

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"Jim Magell" <jmagell…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:c4a5p7$2fng2i$1@ID-40185.news.uni-berlin.de… > You’re a well known troll so I have no interest in your opinion. > Lucas, Peter wrote: > > So what else are you taking with the Cytomel?

Ah, weeded out early then I see. td

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"tinydancer" <tinydan…@nospam.com> wrote in news:Q61ac.26502$gZ3.18668 @bignews3.bellsouth.net: > "Jim Magell" <jmagell…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:c4a5p7$2fng2i$1@ID-40185.news.uni-berlin.de… >> You’re a well known troll so I have no interest in your opinion. >> Lucas, Peter wrote: >> > So what else are you taking with the Cytomel? > Ah, weeded out early then I see.

Seems so. I did a Google on his name and it seems he’s an obnoxious troll who mainly posts in Japanese groups. — Peter Lucas             # Success isn’t so difficult.          # Brisbane                 # Just bite off more than you can chew,# Australia                 # and then go do it.                   #

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In article <Xns94BC62EEEB27B9999…@130.133.1.4>, skys…@everywhere.com.au says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "tinydancer" <tinydan…@nospam.com> wrote in news:Q61ac.26502$gZ3.18668 > @bignews3.bellsouth.net: > > "Jim Magell" <jmagell…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:c4a5p7$2fng2i$1@ID-40185.news.uni-berlin.de… > >> You’re a well known troll so I have no interest in your opinion. > >> Lucas, Peter wrote: > >> > So what else are you taking with the Cytomel? > > Ah, weeded out early then I see. > Seems so. I did a Google on his name and it seems he’s an obnoxious > troll who mainly posts in Japanese groups.

Perhaps a Google on "Peter Lucas" might be equally instructive. http://tinyurl.com/233af

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"Lucas, Peter" <skys…@everywhere.com.au> wrote in message

news:Xns94BC62EEEB27B9999999@130.133.1.4… > "tinydancer" <tinydan…@nospam.com> wrote in news:Q61ac.26502$gZ3.18668 > @bignews3.bellsouth.net:

Possible Side effects: High blood pressure, Weight gain, Stomach Ulcers, Brittle Bones, Heart Failure, Delayed Healing, Blood Clots, Anxiety, Aggression

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I have had some success with taking Cytomel to alleviate some of the symptoms of the PTSD I am suffering. I have read that HGH might also help. Does anyone have any reference material on this subject. I would like to discuss this my doctor and show him any reading resources that are available. Thank you.

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"Jim Magell" <jmagell…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:c4767s$2f87br$1@ID-40185.news.uni-berlin.de… > I have had some success with taking Cytomel to alleviate some of the > symptoms of the PTSD I am suffering. I have read that HGH might also help. > Does anyone have any reference material on this subject. I would like to > discuss this my doctor and show him any reading resources that are > available. > Thank you.

Sorry Jim, I’m not familiar with either of those meds.  What is HGH?  Most of us here are on various anti-depressants, mood stabilizers such as xanax, and sleeping meds.  I’ve not heard of Cytomel either? td – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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>> I have had some success with taking Cytomel to alleviate some of the >> symptoms of the PTSD I am suffering. I have read that HGH might also >> help. >> Does anyone have any reference material on this subject. I would like >> to discuss this my doctor and show him any reading resources that are >> available. > Sorry Jim, I’m not familiar with either of those meds.  What is HGH?

Human Growth Hormone. http://www.hgh-hormone-releaser.com/ http://www.pathmed.com/p/131,406.html Seems Jim might be a bit of a gym-junkie/body-builder. > Most of us here are on various anti-depressants, mood stabilizers such > as xanax, and sleeping meds.  I’ve not heard of Cytomel either?

A quick Google tells me that Cytomel is used in the treatment of thyroid problems. Also used by bodybuilders as a fat burning pill before comps. http://tinyurl.com/2xr4w http://www.steroids.com/Cytomel.htm — Peter Lucas             # Success isn’t so difficult.          # Brisbane                 # Just bite off more than you can chew,# Australia                 # and then go do it.                   #

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"Lucas, Peter" <skys…@everywhere.com.au> wrote in message

news:Xns94BBAEFDA8BE19999999@130.133.1.4… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> I have had some success with taking Cytomel to alleviate some of the > >> symptoms of the PTSD I am suffering. I have read that HGH might also > >> help. > >> Does anyone have any reference material on this subject. I would like > >> to discuss this my doctor and show him any reading resources that are > >> available. > > Sorry Jim, I’m not familiar with either of those meds.  What is HGH? > Human Growth Hormone. > http://www.hgh-hormone-releaser.com/ > http://www.pathmed.com/p/131,406.html > Seems Jim might be a bit of a gym-junkie/body-builder. > > Most of us here are on various anti-depressants, mood stabilizers such > > as xanax, and sleeping meds.  I’ve not heard of Cytomel either? > A quick Google tells me that Cytomel is used in the treatment of thyroid > problems. Also used by bodybuilders as a fat burning pill before comps. > http://tinyurl.com/2xr4w > http://www.steroids.com/Cytomel.htm

Well if Jim really does have ptsd, I’d guess he’s playing with fire because I’ve never heard of anyone screwing around with these type of substances ‘in the treatment of ptsd symptoms’.  Ptsd on it’s own wreaks enough havoc on ones emotions without adding extra ‘crap’. td – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Peter Lucas             # Success isn’t so difficult.          # > Brisbane                 # Just bite off more than you can chew,# > Australia                 # and then go do it.                   #

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To tinydancer. You are a moron. Further you have not done your research. Cytomel is now used in the treatment of PTSD related depression. http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Depression/Site/story_depress… I have other references. HGH is also being used. I am determined to beat this PTSD and find a path to wellness again not just sit around like you and bitch. Anyway obviously you are of no use to me and I have better things to do.  I hope you stay sick for the rest of your life. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -tinydancer wrote: > "Lucas, Peter" <skys…@everywhere.com.au> wrote in message > news:Xns94BBAEFDA8BE19999999@130.133.1.4… >>>> I have had some success with taking Cytomel to alleviate some of >>>> the symptoms of the PTSD I am suffering. I have read that HGH >>>> might also help. >>>> Does anyone have any reference material on this subject. I would >>>> like to discuss this my doctor and show him any reading resources >>>> that are available. >>> Sorry Jim, I’m not familiar with either of those meds.  What is HGH? >> Human Growth Hormone. >> http://www.hgh-hormone-releaser.com/ >> http://www.pathmed.com/p/131,406.html >> Seems Jim might be a bit of a gym-junkie/body-builder. >>> Most of us here are on various anti-depressants, mood stabilizers >>> such as xanax, and sleeping meds.  I’ve not heard of Cytomel either? >> A quick Google tells me that Cytomel is used in the treatment of >> thyroid problems. Also used by bodybuilders as a fat burning pill >> before comps. >> http://tinyurl.com/2xr4w >> http://www.steroids.com/Cytomel.htm > Well if Jim really does have ptsd, I’d guess he’s playing with fire > because I’ve never heard of anyone screwing around with these type of > substances ‘in the treatment of ptsd symptoms’.  Ptsd on it’s own > wreaks enough havoc on ones emotions without adding extra ‘crap’. > td >> — >> Peter Lucas             # Success isn’t so difficult.          # >> Brisbane                 # Just bite off more than you can chew,# >> Australia                 # and then go do it.                   #

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"Jim Magell" <jmagell…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:c49nva$2g70os$1@ID-40185.news.uni-berlin.de: > To tinydancer. You are a moron. Further you have not done your > research.

So what else are you taking with the Cytomel? Or are you taking that by itself? That you didn’t say, so one can only assume that you are only taking Cytomel by itself. Rather than have a shot at TD for "not doing her research", maybe you should have made your position/condition/treatment a little clearer. > Cytomel is now used in the treatment of PTSD related depression. > http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Depression/Site/story_depressi o > n_tx.htm > I have other references. HGH is also being used.

Didn’t see on that website about HGH. Saw that some women are using hormones (eostregen etc). > not just sit around like you and bitch.

Being a first time poster here, you have no right to make that assumption. It just makes you look more like a troll than before. > Anyway obviously you are of no use to me

You came here looking for a cure?? You’re an idiot. This is a *support* group. If you want a cure, go to a *cure* group. >and I have better things to > do.  I hope you stay sick for the rest of your life.

Maybe you should go back on conventional anti-depressessants. The drugs you’re on at the moment don’t seem to be working. But, if you don’t like it here……… there’s the door. Don’t let it hit you where the good Lord split you. — Peter Lucas             # Success isn’t so difficult.          # Brisbane                 # Just bite off more than you can chew,# Australia                 # and then go do it.                   #

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"Jim Magell" <jmagell…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:c49nva$2g70os$1@ID-40185.news.uni-berlin.de… > To tinydancer. You are a moron. Further you have not done your research. > Cytomel is now used in the treatment of PTSD related depression.

http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Depression/Site/story_depress…. htm > I have other references. HGH is also being used. > I am determined to beat this PTSD and find a path to wellness again not just > sit around like you and bitch. > Anyway obviously you are of no use to me and I have better things to do. I > hope you stay sick for the rest of your life.

Thank you so much Jim.  If you have legitimate studies on HGH being of benefit to PTSD, it would be helpful for you to have posted them here.  We do get posters here occasionally bringing up many unorthodox treatments for ptsd.  As far as I’m aware, this is your first post to this group and we have no way of knowing ‘where’ you are coming from.  If you are here for legitimate concerns or wanting information for nefarious purposes.  We are plagued with a troll invasion at the moment.  The site you posted for the use of cytomel appears, at first glance, to be interesting, although at the moment I haven’t the time to really study it.  I can ask my own doctor about it.  As for Human Growth Hormone, I’m a bit more skeptical. td – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> tinydancer wrote: > > "Lucas, Peter" <skys…@everywhere.com.au> wrote in message > > news:Xns94BBAEFDA8BE19999999@130.133.1.4… > >>>> I have had some success with taking Cytomel to alleviate some of > >>>> the symptoms of the PTSD I am suffering. I have read that HGH > >>>> might also help. > >>>> Does anyone have any reference material on this subject. I would > >>>> like to discuss this my doctor and show him any reading resources > >>>> that are available. > >>> Sorry Jim, I’m not familiar with either of those meds.  What is HGH? > >> Human Growth Hormone. > >> http://www.hgh-hormone-releaser.com/ > >> http://www.pathmed.com/p/131,406.html > >> Seems Jim might be a bit of a gym-junkie/body-builder. > >>> Most of us here are on various anti-depressants, mood stabilizers > >>> such as xanax, and sleeping meds.  I’ve not heard of Cytomel either? > >> A quick Google tells me that Cytomel is used in the treatment of > >> thyroid problems. Also used by bodybuilders as a fat burning pill > >> before comps. > >> http://tinyurl.com/2xr4w > >> http://www.steroids.com/Cytomel.htm > > Well if Jim really does have ptsd, I’d guess he’s playing with fire > > because I’ve never heard of anyone screwing around with these type of > > substances ‘in the treatment of ptsd symptoms’.  Ptsd on it’s own > > wreaks enough havoc on ones emotions without adding extra ‘crap’. > > td > >> — > >> Peter Lucas             # Success isn’t so difficult.          # > >> Brisbane                 # Just bite off more than you can chew,# > >> Australia                 # and then go do it.                   #

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