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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m pretty sure I’m not hyperactive – if anything I’m hypoactive – but you won’t find many people less organized than me.  Bills unpaid, house a mess, deadlines missed, important papers lost, the works. Recently a friend gave my wife and I a book that makes me wonder whether ADD might be involved.  However, nearly all information I’ve found on the subject describes ADD with hyperactivity.  I’d like to find out more about ADD without hyperactivity.  If anyone can point me to some good info on this, I’d be grateful.  In particular, do the treatements for ADHD also work with ADD-no-H? I am not hyperactive (this is called AD/HD inattentive subtype). Interestingly, you will find most discussion of non-hyperactive ADD in books and articles about girls and women with ADD – because they are more likely to be inattentive, while men and boys are more likely to be hyperactive.  My daughter, though, is classic hyperactive. Yes, many of the same treatments work.  Stimulents usually work for both types, and exercise is often helpful.

Oddly, our friend gave the book to my wife feeling that she was a classic case of ADHD.  Reading the book myself, I agree.  However, I found that alot of what was said applied to my own case as well.  I had never considered the possibility before because I did not have the frenetic personality or the history of discipline problems that I had associated with ADHD. I know people read books about disorders and inevitably diagnose themselves with them.  But I’m the opposite of a hypocondriac – I don’t believe anything is wrong until there is no way to deny that it is  The book I read however mentions that the criteria for diagnosis is in the degree of severity – if its severe enough to impair functioning, it may be ADD.  Well my functioning is definitely impaired. Between my wife and myself, we have a boat load of trouble with daily life.  Topping it off, we have an autistic son.  Anyway, thanks for the feeback.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m pretty sure I’m not hyperactive – if anything I’m hypoactive – but you won’t find many people less organized than me.  Bills unpaid, house a mess, deadlines missed, important papers lost, the works. Recently a friend gave my wife and I a book that makes me wonder whether ADD might be involved.  However, nearly all information I’ve found on the subject describes ADD with hyperactivity.  I’d like to find out more about ADD without hyperactivity.  If anyone can point me to some good info on this, I’d be grateful.  In particular, do the treatements for ADHD also work with ADD-no-H? What you’re describing is ADHD-Inattentive.  The meds do help with the inattentive form, if that is in fact what you have.  The trouble is there are a lot of other conditions that can produce similar symptoms. Its all mental .. Elevated iron levels in the body are KNOWN to decrease dopamine in the brain. Phytic acid is NOW being used to ‘treat’ dopamine disorders / addictions. Iron destroys tocopherol .. which causes anemia.    Therefore lack of D2 receptors causes    individuals to have a high risk for multiple addictive, impulsive and    compulsive behavioral propensities, such as severe alcoholism,    cocaine, heroin, marijuana and nicotine use, glucose bingeing,    pathological gambling, sex addiction, ADHD, Tourette’s Syndrome,    autism, chronic violence, posttraumatic stress disorder,    schizoid/avoidant cluster, conduct disorder and antisocial behavior.    J Psychoactive Drugs 2000 Nov;32 Suppl:i-iv, 1-112 Who loves ya. Tom http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/watchman

I don’t really get your meaning.  What are D2 receptors?  Whats Phytic acid?  Why do they lead you to say its all mental, and what does that even mean?

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I know people read books about disorders and inevitably diagnose themselves with them.  But I’m the opposite of a hypocondriac – I don’t believe anything is wrong until there is no way to deny that it is  The book I read however mentions that the criteria for diagnosis is in the degree of severity – if its severe enough to impair functioning, it may be ADD.  Well my functioning is definitely impaired.

Dr. Daniel Amen’s web site has an "ADD subtype checklist" and an "Adult ADD checklist" that you might find helpful. http://www.amenclinic.com/ac/addtests/ Nancy Unique, like everyone else

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know people read books about disorders and inevitably diagnose themselves with them.  But I’m the opposite of a hypocondriac – I don’t believe anything is wrong until there is no way to deny that it is  The book I read however mentions that the criteria for diagnosis is in the degree of severity – if its severe enough to impair functioning, it may be ADD.  Well my functioning is definitely impaired. Dr. Daniel Amen’s web site has an "ADD subtype checklist" and an "Adult ADD checklist" that you might find helpful. http://www.amenclinic.com/ac/addtests/ Nancy Unique, like everyone else

Thanks for the link.  I aced that test!  Highly Probably Inattentive ADD, Highly Probable Limbic ADD, Suspected Temporal Lobe ADD.  Lucky me.

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I’m pretty sure I’m not hyperactive – if anything I’m hypoactive – but you won’t find many people less organized than me.  Bills unpaid, house a mess, deadlines missed, important papers lost, the works. Recently a friend gave my wife and I a book that makes me wonder whether ADD might be involved.  However, nearly all information I’ve found on the subject describes ADD with hyperactivity.  I’d like to find out more about ADD without hyperactivity.  If anyone can point me to some good info on this, I’d be grateful.  In particular, do the treatements for ADHD also work with ADD-no-H?

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I’m pretty sure I’m not hyperactive – if anything I’m hypoactive – but you won’t find many people less organized than me.  Bills unpaid, house a mess, deadlines missed, important papers lost, the works. Recently a friend gave my wife and I a book that makes me wonder whether ADD might be involved.  However, nearly all information I’ve found on the subject describes ADD with hyperactivity.  I’d like to find out more about ADD without hyperactivity.  If anyone can point me to some good info on this, I’d be grateful.  In particular, do the treatements for ADHD also work with ADD-no-H?

I am not hyperactive (this is called AD/HD inattentive subtype). Interestingly, you will find most discussion of non-hyperactive ADD in books and articles about girls and women with ADD – because they are more likely to be inattentive, while men and boys are more likely to be hyperactive.  My daughter, though, is classic hyperactive. Yes, many of the same treatments work.  Stimulents usually work for both types, and exercise is often helpful.

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I’m pretty sure I’m not hyperactive – if anything I’m hypoactive – but you won’t find many people less organized than me.  Bills unpaid, house a mess, deadlines missed, important papers lost, the works. Recently a friend gave my wife and I a book that makes me wonder whether ADD might be involved.  However, nearly all information I’ve found on the subject describes ADD with hyperactivity.  I’d like to find out more about ADD without hyperactivity.  If anyone can point me to some good info on this, I’d be grateful.  In particular, do the treatements for ADHD also work with ADD-no-H?

What you’re describing is ADHD-Inattentive.  The meds do help with the inattentive form, if that is in fact what you have.  The trouble is there are a lot of other conditions that can produce similar symptoms. — — –John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (used to be jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m pretty sure I’m not hyperactive – if anything I’m hypoactive – but you won’t find many people less organized than me.  Bills unpaid, house a mess, deadlines missed, important papers lost, the works. Recently a friend gave my wife and I a book that makes me wonder whether ADD might be involved.  However, nearly all information I’ve found on the subject describes ADD with hyperactivity.  I’d like to find out more about ADD without hyperactivity.  If anyone can point me to some good info on this, I’d be grateful.  In particular, do the treatements for ADHD also work with ADD-no-H? What you’re describing is ADHD-Inattentive.  The meds do help with the inattentive form, if that is in fact what you have.  The trouble is there are a lot of other conditions that can produce similar symptoms.

Its all mental .. Elevated iron levels in the body are KNOWN to decrease dopamine in the brain. Phytic acid is NOW being used to ‘treat’ dopamine disorders / addictions. Iron destroys tocopherol .. which causes anemia.    Therefore lack of D2 receptors causes    individuals to have a high risk for multiple addictive, impulsive and    compulsive behavioral propensities, such as severe alcoholism,    cocaine, heroin, marijuana and nicotine use, glucose bingeing,    pathological gambling, sex addiction, ADHD, Tourette’s Syndrome,    autism, chronic violence, posttraumatic stress disorder,    schizoid/avoidant cluster, conduct disorder and antisocial behavior.    J Psychoactive Drugs 2000 Nov;32 Suppl:i-iv, 1-112 Who loves ya. Tom http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/watchman Jesus was a vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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I’m pretty sure I’m not hyperactive – if anything I’m hypoactive – but you won’t find many people less organized than me.  Bills unpaid, house a mess, deadlines missed, important papers lost, the works. Recently a friend gave my wife and I a book that makes me wonder whether ADD might be involved.  However, nearly all information I’ve found on the subject describes ADD with hyperactivity.  I’d like to find out more about ADD without hyperactivity.  If anyone can point me to some good info on this, I’d be grateful.  In particular, do the treatements for ADHD also work with ADD-no-H?

Sure, that’s sometimes called "inattentive" ADD. Noticeable hyperactivity is often not present in teens and adults, though feelings of restlessness are common. Treatments are, and should be, always individually tailored, but they don’t differ just because the "H" is present or absent. Lots of other conditions can look like ADD, so diagnosis by a good clinician is essential. The books by Hallowell and Ratey (Driven to Distraction, Answers to Distraction) are good starting points. There are some other titles, such as Adventures in Fast Forward, that deal specifically with adult ADD. And there are lots of adult ADD folks on this newsgroup, despite the best efforts of the trolls, cranks, and flamebaiters. — Chris Green

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Please be kind enough to post a cite in which it has been demonstrated that some regimen involving iron or the control or reduction thereof has proven to be beneficial in the treatment of ADHD. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m pretty sure I’m not hyperactive – if anything I’m hypoactive – but you won’t find many people less organized than me.  Bills unpaid, house a mess, deadlines missed, important papers lost, the works. Recently a friend gave my wife and I a book that makes me wonder whether ADD might be involved.  However, nearly all information I’ve found on the subject describes ADD with hyperactivity.  I’d like to find out more about ADD without hyperactivity.  If anyone can point me to some good info on this, I’d be grateful.  In particular, do the treatements for ADHD also work with ADD-no-H? What you’re describing is ADHD-Inattentive.  The meds do help with the inattentive form, if that is in fact what you have.  The trouble is there are a lot of other conditions that can produce similar symptoms. Its all mental .. Elevated iron levels in the body are KNOWN to decrease dopamine in the brain. Phytic acid is NOW being used to ‘treat’ dopamine disorders / addictions. Iron destroys tocopherol .. which causes anemia.    Therefore lack of D2 receptors causes    individuals to have a high risk for multiple addictive, impulsive and    compulsive behavioral propensities, such as severe alcoholism,    cocaine, heroin, marijuana and nicotine use, glucose bingeing,    pathological gambling, sex addiction, ADHD, Tourette’s Syndrome,    autism, chronic violence, posttraumatic stress disorder,    schizoid/avoidant cluster, conduct disorder and antisocial behavior.    J Psychoactive Drugs 2000 Nov;32 Suppl:i-iv, 1-112 Who loves ya. Tom http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/watchman Jesus was a vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

– — –John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (used to be jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m pretty sure I’m not hyperactive – if anything I’m hypoactive – but [...snip...] treatements for ADHD also work with ADD-no-H? Sure, that’s sometimes called "inattentive" ADD. Noticeable hyperactivity is often not present in teens and adults, though feelings of restlessness are common. Treatments are, and should be, always individually tailored, but they don’t differ just because the "H" is present or absent. Lots of other conditions can look like ADD, so diagnosis by a good clinician is essential. The books by Hallowell and Ratey (Driven to Distraction, Answers to Distraction) are good starting points. There are some other titles, such as Adventures in Fast Forward, that deal specifically with adult ADD. And there are lots of adult ADD folks on this newsgroup, despite the best efforts of the trolls, cranks, and flamebaiters.

Thanks for the suggestions.  The book I read (can’t remember the title) mentions non-hyperactive ADD, but talks about it only briefly. I’m not at all certain that I fit into the ADD profile, but I have some kind of crazy, and I’m hoping to give it a name  Now if I could just get my act togethor to actually find a doctor and go see him.

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