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In article <BRe06.631$Im4.46…@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Karen Mc Bride" <Karen.McBr…@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > My brother’s appendix burst and he was on the respirator for 10 days. After > he came off of the respirator he started exihibiting schzophrenic > behavior…he saw things not there, he heard things no one else did, he > talked to people not there, imagined things happening to him. > Can a traumatic experience bring this on? Have you ever heard of this > before?
I know four people who all show similar symptoms – that have been variously classified as atypical manic depression, schizophrenia, phobic anxiety, and so on, whose "mental problems" began after being hospitalized with peritonitis. Archibald Hepelthwaite Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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In article <BRe06.631$Im4.46…@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Karen Mc Bride <Karen.McBr…@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > My brother’s appendix burst and he was on the respirator for 10 days. After > he came off of the respirator he started exihibiting schzophrenic > behavior…he saw things not there, he heard things no one else did, he > talked to people not there, imagined things happening to him. > Can a traumatic experience bring this on? Have you ever heard of this > before?
Sounds more like the after effects of a traumatic physical event. What used to be called Delerium. If your brothers appendix burst, he probably got Peritanitis, a massive poisoning of the entire system incl the blood. Confusions, halucinations, etc might well be expected, till he fully recovers his health. Medicine must have advances since my appendix "nearly" burst. At the time the docs said if it had burst even as they were removing it in an operating room with docs all around, I would have died. Your brother is very lucky. Take care. sp
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"Karen Mc Bride" <Karen.McBr…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:BRe06.631$Im4.46917@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… > My brother’s appendix burst and he was on the respirator for 10 days. After > he came off of the respirator he started exihibiting schzophrenic > behavior…he saw things not there, he heard things no one else did, he > talked to people not there, imagined things happening to him. > Can a traumatic experience bring this on? Have you ever heard of this > before?
Karen, some of the soldiers that returned from Vietnam developed psychotic symtomology due to their exposure to the hell of their traumatic experiences in their tour of duty. Please note that once their tour of duty was over, they received minimal assistance from the government of the time. Thankfully these days the authorities at least make a more genuine attempt to help these affected veterans. Your brothers problems may stem from a Post Traumatic experience from the invasive surgery. Or he may be manestfesting psychotic behaviour for the first time, brought on by the trauma of the procedure. Limbo ps- I hope your brothers condition improves before the medical profession starts initiating psychiatric treatment.
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"Spiritus" <spiri…@sanctus.org> wrote in message
news:201220002325102732%spiritus@sanctus.org… > In article <BRe06.631$Im4.46…@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > Medicine must have advances since my appendix "nearly" burst. At the > time the docs said if it had burst even as they were removing it in an > operating room with docs all around, I would have died. > Your brother is very lucky.
I”ve heard of Two other cases of peritinitis "burst appendix" where the patients have survived against "all odds" people who have been given 0% survival chance. One was my mother in her teens, the other was a member of my sect. I have not heard of anyone I _know_ die from appendicitis. Odd.
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I have a friend who had malaria and almost died as a result. When she got physically a bit better she became delusional and thought she had left the hospital and experienced all sorts of things while she had only been in her bed, and I think she also had hallucinations. I think it was diagnosed a delirium, but she refers to it as psychosis. Anyway, she fully recovered, and certainly doesn’t suffer from sz. A delirium is rather common after for example a physical illness or trauma like surgery, more so for elderly people than young people however. Annelies Karen Mc Bride <Karen.McBr…@worldnet.att.net> schreef in berichtnieuws BRe06.631$Im4.46…@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My brother’s appendix burst and he was on the respirator for 10 days. After > he came off of the respirator he started exihibiting schzophrenic > behavior…he saw things not there, he heard things no one else did, he > talked to people not there, imagined things happening to him. > Can a traumatic experience bring this on? Have you ever heard of this > before?
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I forgot to say she was in her twenties and it also happened when she got off the respirator. Karen Mc Bride <Karen.McBr…@worldnet.att.net> schreef in berichtnieuws BRe06.631$Im4.46…@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My brother’s appendix burst and he was on the respirator for 10 days. After > he came off of the respirator he started exihibiting schzophrenic > behavior…he saw things not there, he heard things no one else did, he > talked to people not there, imagined things happening to him. > Can a traumatic experience bring this on? Have you ever heard of this > before?
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they are not delusions the mind works to find solutions, this inevetably leads to insight, of an ultimate reality. fundamental truth delirium is a state of enhanced mental functioning.
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"JGCPP" <jg…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010101041725.19168.00000951@ng-fo1.aol.com… > they are not delusions > the mind works to find solutions, > this inevetably leads to insight, of an ultimate reality. fundamental truth > delirium is a state of enhanced mental functioning.
Delirium eh The best dose of delirium in its TRUE SENSE was when I was closing in on death from Meningitis as a kid. Enhanced mental functioning my arse!!!!!!! Find some other medical terminology for your poetry, that ones to serious & often occurs prior to permanent damage or death. Limbo
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"JGCPP" <jg…@aol.com> wrote in message >news:20010101041725.19168.00000951@ng-fo1.aol.com… >> they are not delusions >> the mind works to find solutions, >> this inevetably leads to insight, of an ultimate reality. fundamental >truth >> delirium is a state of enhanced mental functioning. >Delirium eh >The best dose of delirium in its TRUE SENSE was when I was closing in on >death from Meningitis as a kid. >Enhanced mental functioning my arse!!!!!!! >Find some other medical terminology for your poetry, that ones to serious & >often occurs prior to permanent damage or death. >Limbo
delirium? what??? delirium what is delirium
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"Limbo" <obmil2…@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:3a420d3f@iridium.webone.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Karen Mc Bride" <Karen.McBr…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > news:BRe06.631$Im4.46917@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… > > My brother’s appendix burst and he was on the respirator for 10 days. > After > > he came off of the respirator he started exihibiting schzophrenic > > behavior…he saw things not there, he heard things no one else did, he > > talked to people not there, imagined things happening to him. > > Can a traumatic experience bring this on? Have you ever heard of this > > before? > Karen, some of the soldiers that returned from Vietnam developed psychotic > symtomology due to their exposure to the hell of their traumatic experiences > in their tour of duty. > Please note that once their tour of duty was over, they received minimal > assistance from the government of the time. > Thankfully these days the authorities at least make a more genuine attempt > to help these affected veterans.
Really – Please do tell me about it?? (British war pensioner no. fm7856 – war psychosis – in receipt of 92 pounds monthly penions – severly abused and driven out of the country after taking up the role of whistle-blower relating too illicit activities within the military command. Labelled as "mentally ill" after being worked into the ground for years with double split shifts – justified against the mil. own medical advisors on the grounds of "exigience of the service" – largely excluded from employment etc etc. Perhaps you are relating too the young soviet veterans? – Back in the late 70’s I met some soviet youth/social workers at an (- associated with the thentime <old-> Labour Party) social club in London Earls Court. When I had related a little of the social exclusion and the inedaquacy of financial and other provision for the British war disabled – the soviet young youth/social worker was clearly shocked and found this difficult to fit into her own observations of the relative general wealth of London society. Asking her what she found so strange – she said that it was hard to imagine such poor treatment of military disabled veterans – considering that the problem in the USSR tended to be more that the disabled military veterans got so many privaliges – free train passes and cheaper accomodation – guaranteed job access etc that that occasionally civilian non-disabled workers would express thier envy or disgruntlement at the percieved favoured position of disabled war veterans. Considering that this statment was partly positive and affirmative of Soviet societly and at the same time admitting that there were real social tensions – I was supprised at it especially considering that there were a number of obvious adult minders accompanying the group. The young woman who I must admit I was pretty keen on – even smiled and explained when I asked her about one of these "gooks" stood near the bar watching all of us intensly – with the rather plump question "So is here – over there – from the KGB!?" – she replied – "Oh goodness no – far too intelligent and sociable – he must for sure be GRU!" – and then went on to tell me the story about the ex KGB General and the ex GRU (military intelligence..) General – sat in the senour citizens club and debating the various attributes of "- our great national Newspapers!" The KGB guy asks the GRU pensioner -"You military guys were always a bit better informed than we where – so which of the great national newspapers is the best Borish – the Pravada or the Isvestia?" – After thinking about the qeustin for some minutes – the GRU fella responds with "Well it comes down to this – While for rolling your own cigarettes – the Isvestia burns much more consistantly – but the great paper of the party Pravda – is by far softer and so better suited for use in the toilet!" - A sence of realtiy returned to the situation when I noticed that she did actually give the guy at the bar a rather nervous glance as she finnished the joke. Perhaps it helped that while she was Russian and we were in London – the language we were speaking was German. ron b. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Your brothers problems may stem from a Post Traumatic experience from the > invasive surgery. > Or he may be manestfesting psychotic behaviour for the first time, brought > on by the trauma of the procedure. > Limbo > ps- I hope your brothers condition improves before the medical profession > starts initiating psychiatric treatment.
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>Delirium eh >The best dose of delirium in its TRUE SENSE was when I was closing in on >death from Meningitis as a kid. >Enhanced mental functioning my arse!!!!!!! >Find some other medical terminology for your poetry, that ones to serious & >often occurs prior to permanent damage or death. >Limbo
typo
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Sorry JGCPP, must have been having one of those days. Will try to control the impulsive responses. Limbo "JGCPP" <jg…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010105101907.14089.00000027@ng-fl1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Delirium eh > >The best dose of delirium in its TRUE SENSE was when I was closing in on > >death from Meningitis as a kid. > >Enhanced mental functioning my arse!!!!!!! > >Find some other medical terminology for your poetry, that ones to serious & > >often occurs prior to permanent damage or death. > >Limbo > typo
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In article <BRe06.631$Im4.46…@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "Karen Mc Bride" <Karen.McBr…@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > Can a traumatic experience bring this on? Have you ever heard of this > before?
– Many causes for schizophrenia, but there is a direct link between trauma and SZ. why you will see Nam vets pushing shopping carts and talking to the wind. people who go into shock for whatever reason can also go into altered states, but can not pigeonhole anything becaue of the variety of causes, will even see charasmatic people who place themselves into altered states and have the same symptoms as those who have spaced out for other reasons, brain just too complex to come up with simple solutions and all the experts have to admit that they havn’t even scratched the surface to see just how complex and awesome the brain is, but can short circuit on us and not so easy to fix. Crazy Lou http://www.grizzadam.com/nam/homepage.html http://www.grizzadam.com/nam/images/skepticsaward.wav Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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My brother’s appendix burst and he was on the respirator for 10 days. After he came off of the respirator he started exihibiting schzophrenic behavior…he saw things not there, he heard things no one else did, he talked to people not there, imagined things happening to him. Can a traumatic experience bring this on? Have you ever heard of this before?
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I don’t think the complete cause of sz is understood, but many people believe that stress can trigger it in susceptable individuals. I think combat stress in wars often triggers it. I had my first psychotic episode a few months after I left home to take a job for the first time. Walt Karen Mc Bride <Karen.McBr…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:BRe06.631$Im4.46917@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My brother’s appendix burst and he was on the respirator for 10 days. After > he came off of the respirator he started exihibiting schzophrenic > behavior…he saw things not there, he heard things no one else did, he > talked to people not there, imagined things happening to him. > Can a traumatic experience bring this on? Have you ever heard of this > before?
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