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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Valery" <vma…@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message <news:asb5dq$vjm$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net>… > (I accidentally sent this to your email instead of the group the first > time — sorry!) > That’s great — hope you and Chris get time to meet eventually. One of our > local favorites is from Edinburgh — Ed Miller. Actually lives in Austin, > but performs here often. > Well, I just did something "energising" — although it wasn’t walking this > time. Banged on the bodhran for an hour or so. (Well, hope it was more > playing than banging, but the neighbors might think otherwise … <g> > Email me at vma…@ix.netcom.com and we can continue this conversation! > Maybe we do know some of the same people. > Val > "Jette Goldie" <j…@blueyonder.com.uk> wrote in message > news:SN7G9.5420$BI7.45405413@news-text.cableinet.net… > > Chris and I are both in Scotland – both in Edinburgh, > > would you believe, and have never met in real life <g> > > If you are in Texas and involved in the Scottish/Irish > > music scene we *might* have friends in common, > > though my two closest friends in that scene are in > > Galveston. > > — > > Jette > > (aka Vinyaduriel) > > "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" – Jim Byrnes > > je…@blueyonder.co.uk > > http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ > > http://bosslady.tripod.com/fanfic.html
Sorry for the intrusion but couldn’t help perking up somewhat at the mention of the bodhran, Edinburgh and Austin, Texas. Nice to be diverted somewhat from problems with menopause. I used to play the Scottish pipes a little and can’t even imagine playing a chanter at this point but I stll love to hear them. I am also a great fan of Irish music, particularly Martin Hayes. The happiest time of my life was the short time I spent in Edinburgh some years ago and some wonderful times as well in God’s Country, Austin, Texas. Life was so much simpler then! Thanks for the distraction. Jools
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Chris Malcolm wrote: > Kevin and Sue Mullen <kjmul…@comcast.net> writes: >>Chris Malcolm wrote: >>>Be careful about heroically struggling on while very fatigued. That is >>>how some cases of chronic fatigue syndrome seem to get started. >>That is a myth from the time when CFS was being called the Yuppy Flu. A >>person who already has CFS, can make themselves worse by pushing throung >>the fatigue. A healthy person who is fatigued, will not get CFS because >>they push themselves. > The theory I heard did not concern a healthy person pushing on through > fatigue, but someone already suffering from post-viral fatigue pushing > through it.
OK, I thought you were talking about a healthy person. This was seen as a critical stage which those with a > predisposition to CFS could recover from if they rested, but could > further damage themselves if they tried to push on through the > fatigue.
Since there is no way to know who is predisposed to CFS, there really is no way to know if this would be true or not. A person who has CFS, has to be careful not to push through fatigue, or they will only get sicker. This reminds me of when I first got CFS. I had a lot of little things wrong, nothing that really screamed that I was sick, or had CFS. Maybe if there were a way to test for predisposition to CFS, I would of not pushed myself and I would be healthy today. They do not know what causes CFS or have any one treatment that is known to help. There is also a lot more symptoms with CFS, then just fatigue. Sue
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On Sun, 01 Dec 2002 17:06:17 -0500, Kevin and Sue Mullen <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote: >This reminds me of when I first got CFS. I had a lot of little things >wrong, nothing that really screamed that I was sick, or had CFS. Maybe >if there were a way to test for predisposition to CFS, I would of not >pushed myself and I would be healthy today. >They do not know what causes CFS or have any one treatment that is known >to help. There is also a lot more symptoms with CFS, then just fatigue. >Sue
I don’t have CFS nor know much about it but I saw this news story on the BBC website and thought you might be interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2511201.stm >Stress link to chronic fatigue
[small quote] >Dr Jens Gaab and colleagues at the University of Trier examined the >effects of physical and psychological stress on 40 people, half of whom >had been diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome.
<snip> >The researchers found that people who had been diagnosed with >chronic fatigue syndrome had lower levels of ACTH both before >and after each of these tests. >The researchers said further study is needed to determine whether >this hormone is responsible for the condition.
Kathryn
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Kathryn wrote: > On Sun, 01 Dec 2002 17:06:17 -0500, Kevin and Sue Mullen > <kjmul…@comcast.net> wrote: >>This reminds me of when I first got CFS. I had a lot of little things >>wrong, nothing that really screamed that I was sick, or had CFS. Maybe >>if there were a way to test for predisposition to CFS, I would of not >>pushed myself and I would be healthy today. >>They do not know what causes CFS or have any one treatment that is known >>to help. There is also a lot more symptoms with CFS, then just fatigue. >>Sue > I don’t have CFS nor know much about it but I saw this news story on > the BBC website and thought you might be interested. > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2511201.stm >>Stress link to chronic fatigue > [small quote] >>Dr Jens Gaab and colleagues at the University of Trier examined the >>effects of physical and psychological stress on 40 people, half of whom >>had been diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome. > <snip> >>The researchers found that people who had been diagnosed with >>chronic fatigue syndrome had lower levels of ACTH both before >>and after each of these tests. >>The researchers said further study is needed to determine whether >>this hormone is responsible for the condition.
Thanks for posting the link to the article, it has some good points. Sue
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Hi Jools, No intrusion at all! Yes, Celtic music is a great diversion from whatever one needs to be diverted from! And being in Edinburgh and/or Austin are great diversions, too. One being a bit closer to me than the other, but no time to travel to either. Oh, well. Thanks for the msg! Val "Mark Sanford" <ma…@cyberscope.net> wrote in message
news:7a419b86.0212011356.2233338c@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sorry for the intrusion but couldn’t help perking up somewhat at the > mention of > the bodhran, Edinburgh and Austin, Texas. Nice to be diverted > somewhat from problems with menopause. I used to play the Scottish > pipes a little and can’t even imagine playing a chanter at this point > but I stll love to hear them. I am also a great fan of Irish music, > particularly Martin Hayes. The happiest time of my life was the short > time I spent in Edinburgh some years ago and some wonderful times as > well in God’s Country, Austin, Texas. Life was so much simpler then! > Thanks for the distraction. > Jools
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Hi Ruth, and thank you. I mostly read instead of posting when I was here before. Still don’t know enough to be much help to anyone, but hope to learn from all of you and someday be able to help others as well as you regulars do! Fortunately, I haven’t had much trouble with insomnia, but I’ve got the chamomile tea, valerian root & melatonin ready in case it strikes suddenly, as most of these symptoms have. Although I’m taking Celexa for depression, I really think anxiety is more my problem. Hard to tell the difference sometimes, isn’t it? Some days I can nap as long as possible and then still be ready to fall asleep anytime. Although just over the last few days, I’ve noticed another "shift" which may signal others (who knows …!) The latest shift is that I’m not hungry all the time like I’ve been for the last 2-3 months. And eating just a small amount of food fills me up — more like in pre-peri days. Really, this whole trip can be rather interesting … just waiting around for the next symptom to appear. Just like puberty! Val "Ruth J" <rcjac…@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:3DEA6FA2.80276E25@pacbell.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Valery and welcome (back) to a.s.m. I don’t recall you from when I > was here before (1997-99) or recently (last 18 months or so). I’ve also > had crashing fatigue, usually accompanied by depression. I basically do > what Pat suggested — limit my activities. For example, I may not read > that stack of opera and symphony programs or the book club book, but I > *do* pay the bills. I may not dust or vacuum but I *do* clean the tub > and toilet. What I *never* do is nap — that just makes the insomnia > (which has been pretty much constant, since 1997, through both zests and > depressions) worse. Best wishes, RuthJ
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Valery wrote: > I’d not heard before that "heroically struggling" with fatigue can lead to > CFS … all the more justification for resting whenever possible. Thanks!
Hi Valery, I have had CFS since 1988. Back then, when CFS was also called the Yuppie Flu, they felt that this was the case. Since then they have realised that, that is not the case. If a person who already has CFS, tries to push throught the fatigue, they crash(get worse). If a health person pushes throught the fatigue, they will not come down with CFS. If your fatigue goes away, when you have enough rest, you most likely do not have CFS. If you would like more information on CFS, let me know and I can give you several websites with information. sue
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(I accidentally sent this to your email instead of the group the first time — sorry!) That’s great — hope you and Chris get time to meet eventually. One of our local favorites is from Edinburgh — Ed Miller. Actually lives in Austin, but performs here often. Well, I just did something "energising" — although it wasn’t walking this time. Banged on the bodhran for an hour or so. (Well, hope it was more playing than banging, but the neighbors might think otherwise … <g> Email me at vma…@ix.netcom.com and we can continue this conversation! Maybe we do know some of the same people. Val "Jette Goldie" <j…@blueyonder.com.uk> wrote in message
news:SN7G9.5420$BI7.45405413@news-text.cableinet.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Chris and I are both in Scotland – both in Edinburgh, > would you believe, and have never met in real life <g> > If you are in Texas and involved in the Scottish/Irish > music scene we *might* have friends in common, > though my two closest friends in that scene are in > Galveston. > — > Jette > (aka Vinyaduriel) > "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" – Jim Byrnes > je…@blueyonder.co.uk > http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ > http://bosslady.tripod.com/fanfic.html
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Hi Valery and welcome (back) to a.s.m. I don’t recall you from when I was here before (1997-99) or recently (last 18 months or so). I’ve also had crashing fatigue, usually accompanied by depression. I basically do what Pat suggested — limit my activities. For example, I may not read that stack of opera and symphony programs or the book club book, but I *do* pay the bills. I may not dust or vacuum but I *do* clean the tub and toilet. What I *never* do is nap — that just makes the insomnia (which has been pretty much constant, since 1997, through both zests and depressions) worse. Best wishes, RuthJ — "I adore Verdi’s modesty and his concern for his fellow human beings." Sir Georg Solti, MEMOIRS, 1997, p. 224 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Valery wrote: > Hello again! I haven’t posted in several years but have been a > regular "lurker" for the last 15 months or so. > Reading your posts and archives helped me tremendously through "the > bleeds", "endless spottings" and flashes. I’ve also learned from you > that we call this "the change" because our symptoms shift and change > without warning! Just remembering this makes dealing with it a lot > easier. > Current question: What are the latest recommendations for dealing > with fatigue? Mine has gotten worse over the past 3-4 months. Except > for meno-fog and erratic periods/spotting, fatique seems to be the > only sympton du jour for me. In your archives, I read that some women > had success fighting fatique with alfalfa and echanacea. Is this > still considered viable? > I’m not taking hormones and haven’t even been to a doctor in several > years. Now that I have health insurance again, I’ll make an > appointment — yes, I know I shouldn’t have waited so long to see a > doctor, but didn’t have health insurance for about 3 years. > Was also in a horrible marriage until about a year and a half ago. > Thank God I got out after four (very long) years. He thought > menopause and peri-menopause symptoms didn’t exist until they were > "created" by "feminists" and "the media" during the 1970s. Yes, he > was that stupid! (Or maybe just downright cruel.) Because women in > past generations didn’t often discuss these symptoms with their > children, especially their sons, maybe that’s why a lot of younger > people don’t comprehend what most women go through. > My fiance, who is totally gentle, caring and supportive, thinks that > my fatigue could also be caused by sleep deprivation during my > marriage, and maybe as sort of a post-traumatic syndrome reaction to > domestic abuse. He knows that hormones, etc. are playing a big part, > but I think he may have a valid point about the other, too. My ex > didn’t believe that people needed much sleep, either. If he wasn’t > waking me up in the middle of the night to yell at me for hours, he > was playing loud techno or rock music all night, or watching some > loud, violent movie video on TV. Add to this the fact that he (the > ex) was usually unemployed and spent most of my paychecks on liquor. > (Such a prize, right … and to think I waited until I was almost 47 > to get married for the first time and made such a mistake … !) > Well, this is probably more that you wanted to know about me, but > since I really would like to become more active in the group, you all > might as well know up front where I’m coming from. And I *am* an > abuse survivor and definitely not a victim. > Thank you again for all your support in the past, and for providing > such a great forum. I recognize some of you from another NG, and > you’ve been very helpful there, too. > Happy belated Thanksgiving! I’m thankful for this NG. > Val
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Chris Malcolm wrote: > Be careful about heroically struggling on while very fatigued. That is > how some cases of chronic fatigue syndrome seem to get started.
That is a myth from the time when CFS was being called the Yuppy Flu. A person who already has CFS, can make themselves worse by pushing throung the fatigue. A healthy person who is fatigued, will not get CFS because they push themselves. Sue – PWCFS since 1988
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Valery wrote: > Hello again! I haven’t posted in several years but have been a > regular "lurker" for the last 15 months or so.
Hi, Val, and welcome (back) to a.s.m. > Current question: What are the latest recommendations for dealing > with fatigue? Mine has gotten worse over the past 3-4 months. Except > for meno-fog and erratic periods/spotting, fatique seems to be the > only sympton du jour for me. In your archives, I read that some women > had success fighting fatique with alfalfa and echanacea. Is this > still considered viable?
I can’t speak for those "treatments," and I’d be dubious about echinacea; as I understand it, it can be a useful immune-system booster, with short-term use as in, 2-3 days when you’re feeling run down and have been exposed to colds, etc.) I don’t recall hearing about its use for fatigue. And to me, alfalfa is cattle feed. I went through a stretch of serious "crashing fatigue" ummmmm … three years ago, when many days it felt like the gravity was turned on "high." It wasn’t coincident with insomnia (which I’d suffered from for about six months, somewhat earlier), but it wiped me out as badly. I wish I could tell you I found some magic cure, but I didn’t. I napped when I could, eliminated non-essential activities from my life (which turned out to be a good thing, I think, in the long term) and tried to eat well and get what exercise I could. The fatigue lasted about a year, not constant, but enough of the time that I remember that as my tired year. I can’t tell you exactly when it went away, but it did. These days, not quite menopausal but edging closer, I have plenty of energy most of the time, although if I’m going to expend a lot of it (as tonight, dancing at a friend’s 60th birthday party), then I need to plan a day of recovery time afterward. > I’m not taking hormones and haven’t even been to a doctor in several > years. Now that I have health insurance again, I’ll make an > appointment — yes, I know I shouldn’t have waited so long to see a > doctor, but didn’t have health insurance for about 3 years.
I can relate. Even insured, I don’t see my doctor as regularly as "recommended," but I have no particular reason to. It’s not a bad idea to get a through periodic checkup, but if you’re feeling relatively well and your risk factors for usually-tested conditions are low, I dont’ see the need for regular annual checkups. I’m certainly not a doctor, though, and YMMV. > Was also in a horrible marriage until about a year and a half ago. > Thank God I got out after four (very long) years. He thought > menopause and peri-menopause symptoms didn’t exist until they were > "created" by "feminists" and "the media" during the 1970s. Yes, he > was that stupid! (Or maybe just downright cruel.)
Oh, ick. Soundw like you’re well out of it. > My fiance, who is totally gentle, caring and supportive, thinks that > my fatigue could also be caused by sleep deprivation during my > marriage, and maybe as sort of a post-traumatic syndrome reaction to > domestic abuse. He knows that hormones, etc. are playing a big part, > but I think he may have a valid point about the other, too.
If you suspect that’s the case, you might want to consider a mental health counselor or therapist. > Well, this is probably more that you wanted to know about me, but > since I really would like to become more active in the group, you all > might as well know up front where I’m coming from. And I *am* an > abuse survivor and definitely not a victim.
It’s generous of you to share that much with us. — Pat Kight kig…@peak.org
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"Valery" <vma…@ix.netcom.com> wrote > Good to hear from someone in Scotland. I’m very involved in the local > Celtic community and an (occasional) Celtic music performer. Grew up with > Irish & Scottish music — I’m about 3rd generation Irish American. We have > several large Celtic festivals here in the Dallas, TX area every year and > frequent concerts. I’ve met Andy M. Stuart, Brian McNeil and several other > Scottish performers over the years. We also have some people from Scotland > in the local community.
Chris and I are both in Scotland – both in Edinburgh, would you believe, and have never met in real life <g> If you are in Texas and involved in the Scottish/Irish music scene we *might* have friends in common, though my two closest friends in that scene are in Galveston. — Jette (aka Vinyaduriel) "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" – Jim Byrnes je…@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ http://bosslady.tripod.com/fanfic.html
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> Then one day, sitting waiting to see the doc in the waiting room, she > asked the receptionist for a glass of water because she was "always so > thirsty these days". The receptionist immediately thought "diabetes?", > asked a few leading questions, and suggested my Mum ask the doc if she > might have diabetes. He doubted it very much, but as it’s a simple > test he did it. Diabetes! Once diagnosed and treated all her tiredness > problems disappeared. > I notice that my own doc tests me about once a year for diabetes, just > as a very simple routine exclusion test, although I have no specific > symptoms to suggest I might have it. > Be careful about heroically struggling on while very fatigued. That is > how some cases of chronic fatigue syndrome seem to get started. > —
You and Jette have the right idea — being routinely tested for diabetes is the right thing to do. I’d not heard before that "heroically struggling" with fatigue can lead to CFS … all the more justification for resting whenever possible. Thanks! Good to hear from someone in Scotland. I’m very involved in the local Celtic community and an (occasional) Celtic music performer. Grew up with Irish & Scottish music — I’m about 3rd generation Irish American. We have several large Celtic festivals here in the Dallas, TX area every year and frequent concerts. I’ve met Andy M. Stuart, Brian McNeil and several other Scottish performers over the years. We also have some people from Scotland in the local community. That’s another reason I want this fatigue to go away — impossible to work full time, take care of 3 cats *and* do music. Tried some step dancing the other day to an old Silly Wizzard CD and was zapped after about 20 seconds! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Chris Malcolm c…@dai.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 650 3085 > School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics > Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK > [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
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> It *might* be helpful to discuss the fatigue with your > doctor as it *can* be a symptom of something more > serious. Currently dealing with that one at home, as > hubby went to the doc last week about his constant > fatigue, half expecting to be told it was his work shifts > (he’s been on permanent night shift for the last 3 or > 4 years) or a simple hormone or vitamin deficiency, > but was instead (after urine and blood tests) diagnosed > diabetic. > — > Jette
I’ve wondered about that possibility, too. Last diabetes test was about 3 years ago. That’s on my list to be checked out, too. Thanks, Jette!
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"Pat Kight" <kig…@peak.org> wrote in message
news:3DE86B8F.4040608@peak.org… > Hi, Val, and welcome (back) to a.s.m.
Thanks, Pat! I really enjoy reading your posts — you’re cool! > I can’t speak for those "treatments," and I’d be dubious about > echinacea; as I understand it, it can be a useful immune-system booster, > with short-term use as in, 2-3 days when you’re feeling run down and > have been exposed to colds, etc.) I don’t recall hearing about its use > for fatigue. And to me, alfalfa is cattle feed.
Alfalfa can also do an evil number on one’s stomach! My fiance takes about 20 tables a day for allergies. I tried taking about 10 or so a day and it was far too much! Now I take 2-3. Spending all day in the biffy is not a good option for a teacher who’s in class 5 hours a day! > I went through a stretch of serious "crashing fatigue" ummmmm … three > years ago, when many days it felt like the gravity was turned on "high." > It wasn’t coincident with insomnia (which I’d suffered from for about > six months, somewhat earlier), but it wiped me out as badly. > I wish I could tell you I found some magic cure, but I didn’t. I napped > when I could, eliminated non-essential activities from my life (which > turned out to be a good thing, I think, in the long term) and tried to > eat well and get what exercise I could. The fatigue lasted about a year, > not constant, but enough of the time that I remember that as my tired
year. That’s about what I’m doing. Some days I do what I call a split shift. I’m an adult ed teacher at a career training center and sometimes teach day and night classes. After the day class ends at 2:30, I go home, feed/water cats, nap with the kitties for a while and take another shower. Although it’s more mileage and road time, it’s worth it. And I nap a lot on weekends. > I can’t tell you exactly when it went away, but it did. These days, not > quite menopausal but edging closer, I have plenty of energy most of the > time, although if I’m going to expend a lot of it (as tonight, dancing > at a friend’s 60th birthday party), then I need to plan a day of > recovery time afterward.
Yes! Light at the end of the tunnel. I knew it wouldn’t last forever, but it sure can put a damper on activities while it’s going on. > I can relate. Even insured, I don’t see my doctor as regularly as > "recommended," but I have no particular reason to. It’s not a bad idea > to get a through periodic checkup, but if you’re feeling relatively well > and your risk factors for usually-tested conditions are low, I dont’ > see the need for regular annual checkups. I’m certainly not a doctor, > though, and YMMV.
I agree. Every couple of years is probably okay for most folks unless there’s some condition that needs to be closely monitored. > > My fiance, who is totally gentle, caring and supportive, thinks that > > my fatigue could also be caused by sleep deprivation during my > > marriage, and maybe as sort of a post-traumatic syndrome reaction to > > domestic abuse. He knows that hormones, etc. are playing a big part, > > but I think he may have a valid point about the other, too. > If you suspect that’s the case, you might want to consider a mental > health counselor or therapist.
Great idea. We’re having pre-marital counseling with our (Episcopal) priest and he also suggests counseling. Plus, I’ve been taking anti-depressants for several years and plan to see a psychologist about easing off the meds. Now that I have benefits, chiropractor, psychologist and GYN visits top the list! Enjoy the weekend, Pat. Thanks for your help.
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> What she said. I’ve been walking regularly for about 13 years and I love it. I > have a walking buddy half the time,and we have such good visits. But even > walking alone I love so much that I don’t even use a Walkman. I just do some of > my thinking and reminiscing. It’s my best time of the day. Of course,I am > fortunate enough to have a marvelous paved walking path through a tree-lined > boulevard about two blocks from home. > Walking rocks!!!! > Sharon..Live joyously and love much.
Hi Sharon! You’re right — walking is great, physically and mentally. There’s a semi-wooded area, with a path, behind my apt building that seems like a great place to walk. I live in a suburb of Dallas that started out as a farming community and there are still some traces of the "old days" around. Now I’m getting re-inspired to start walking again … ! Because I work full-time and it being winter, I’ve been focusing more on "nesting" with my precious kitties when I get home. That’s therapeutic, too, but we really do need that exercise. Chasing a 7-month old kitten around the apt to snatch away the latest "forbidden" item he’s stolen might also count as exercise, but having fresh outdoor air would be better. Maybe I can "borrow" some of the neighbors’ dogs and walk them. No way I would try walking with a cat — they’re indoor only and I don’t want them to get any ideas!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: mpitc2…@aol.com (MPitc2000) >Date: 11/29/02 6:52 PM Pacific Standard Time >As far as the sleep deprivation….man i am there with you right now!!! But >moving into another room sure has helped 
But any way….first i would rule >out any other reason for the fatigue…(I am the queen of thyroid…so don’t >mind me when I suggest a thyroid test for starters!) Thyroid conditions can >come at a stressful time of life be it divorce, peri, puberty, death of a >relative, etc and is very common among women. It is easy…one tube of blood >and you will know 
Then after I ruled out anything else, my major >contribution is to >walk. It has helped me tremendously both mentally and physically…without >it… I FEEL LIKE EL CRAPO!!!!!!! The more you do the more you can do is my >motto!!!! I should have started it years ago!!!!! Even if you start out a >half >mile three times a week and work up to a mile a day…just even a mile…BOY >DOES IT HELP!!!!!! >I looked into all kinds of other things and decided before I put anything >into >my mouth other than good food, I would try the walking thing. IT WORKS! I >must >admit..I had to push myself in the beginning…I literally have to have some >of >my friends push me every now and then when I get a little lazy in this cold >weather, but I push them too!!! We are women…we can do it!
What she said. I’ve been walking regularly for about 13 years and I love it. I have a walking buddy half the time,and we have such good visits. But even walking alone I love so much that I don’t even use a Walkman. I just do some of my thinking and reminiscing. It’s my best time of the day. Of course,I am fortunate enough to have a marvelous paved walking path through a tree-lined boulevard about two blocks from home. Walking rocks!!!! Sharon..Live joyously and love much.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Jette Goldie" <j…@blueyonder.com.uk> writes: >"Valery" <vma…@yahoo.com> wrote >> Current question: What are the latest recommendations for dealing >> with fatigue? Mine has gotten worse over the past 3-4 months. Except >> for meno-fog and erratic periods/spotting, fatique seems to be the >> only sympton du jour for me. In your archives, I read that some women >> had success fighting fatique with alfalfa and echanacea. Is this >> still considered viable? >It *might* be helpful to discuss the fatigue with your >doctor as it *can* be a symptom of something more >serious. Currently dealing with that one at home, as >hubby went to the doc last week about his constant >fatigue, half expecting to be told it was his work shifts >(he’s been on permanent night shift for the last 3 or >4 years) or a simple hormone or vitamin deficiency, >but was instead (after urine and blood tests) diagnosed >diabetic.
My mother suffered for years from increasingly severe fatigue. The doctors were baffled. They first put her on the infamous stimulant "purple hearts" aka "mother’s little helper", to which she became addicted, and had a lot of problems getting off them. It was then put down to "tired blood", for which she used to get a total blood transfusion every several months. Always made her feel a lot better for a few weeks, which confirmed the "tired blood" diagnosis. Then one day, sitting waiting to see the doc in the waiting room, she asked the receptionist for a glass of water because she was "always so thirsty these days". The receptionist immediately thought "diabetes?", asked a few leading questions, and suggested my Mum ask the doc if she might have diabetes. He doubted it very much, but as it’s a simple test he did it. Diabetes! Once diagnosed and treated all her tiredness problems disappeared. I notice that my own doc tests me about once a year for diabetes, just as a very simple routine exclusion test, although I have no specific symptoms to suggest I might have it. Be careful about heroically struggling on while very fatigued. That is how some cases of chronic fatigue syndrome seem to get started. — Chris Malcolm c…@dai.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 650 3085 School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
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"Valery" <vma…@yahoo.com> wrote > Current question: What are the latest recommendations for dealing > with fatigue? Mine has gotten worse over the past 3-4 months. Except > for meno-fog and erratic periods/spotting, fatique seems to be the > only sympton du jour for me. In your archives, I read that some women > had success fighting fatique with alfalfa and echanacea. Is this > still considered viable?
It *might* be helpful to discuss the fatigue with your doctor as it *can* be a symptom of something more serious. Currently dealing with that one at home, as hubby went to the doc last week about his constant fatigue, half expecting to be told it was his work shifts (he’s been on permanent night shift for the last 3 or 4 years) or a simple hormone or vitamin deficiency, but was instead (after urine and blood tests) diagnosed diabetic. — Jette (aka Vinyaduriel) "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" – Jim Byrnes je…@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ http://bosslady.tripod.com/fanfic.html
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Thanks, Mary — I was thinking "thyroid", too, although it was fine when checked about 3 years ago. Still, that was 3 years ago … things change. Your suggestion about walking is also excellent advice. There’s been lots of info lately about how good walking is for all kinds of physical/mental distresses. This is a bit OT, Mary, but I read your posts about your Thanksgiving experience, and want to offer my support and encouragement. The other women here gave you excellent advice. I’ve lived through a similar situation, although we were only married a short time and no kids. It is a lot harder when there are children involved and many years invested. I know you’ll make the right decision — to give you back your own quote, "we are women .. we can do it!" Val "MPitc2000" <mpitc2…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021129215235.28213.00000174@mb-ca.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As far as the sleep deprivation….man i am there with you right now!!! But > moving into another room sure has helped But any way….first i would rule > out any other reason for the fatigue…(I am the queen of thyroid…so don’t > mind me when I suggest a thyroid test for starters!) Thyroid conditions can > come at a stressful time of life be it divorce, peri, puberty, death of a > relative, etc and is very common among women. It is easy…one tube of blood > and you will know Then after I ruled out anything else, my major > contribution is to > walk. It has helped me tremendously both mentally and physically…without > it… I FEEL LIKE EL CRAPO!!!!!!! The more you do the more you can do is my > motto!!!! I should have started it years ago!!!!! Even if you start out a half > mile three times a week and work up to a mile a day…just even a mile…BOY > DOES IT HELP!!!!!! > I looked into all kinds of other things and decided before I put anything into > my mouth other than good food, I would try the walking thing. IT WORKS! I must > admit..I had to push myself in the beginning…I literally have to have some of > my friends push me every now and then when I get a little lazy in this cold > weather, but I push them too!!! We are women…we can do it!
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As far as the sleep deprivation….man i am there with you right now!!! But moving into another room sure has helped But any way….first i would rule out any other reason for the fatigue…(I am the queen of thyroid…so don’t mind me when I suggest a thyroid test for starters!) Thyroid conditions can come at a stressful time of life be it divorce, peri, puberty, death of a relative, etc and is very common among women. It is easy…one tube of blood and you will know Then after I ruled out anything else, my major contribution is to walk. It has helped me tremendously both mentally and physically…without it… I FEEL LIKE EL CRAPO!!!!!!! The more you do the more you can do is my motto!!!! I should have started it years ago!!!!! Even if you start out a half mile three times a week and work up to a mile a day…just even a mile…BOY DOES IT HELP!!!!!! I looked into all kinds of other things and decided before I put anything into my mouth other than good food, I would try the walking thing. IT WORKS! I must admit..I had to push myself in the beginning…I literally have to have some of my friends push me every now and then when I get a little lazy in this cold weather, but I push them too!!! We are women…we can do it!
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Hello again! I haven’t posted in several years but have been a regular "lurker" for the last 15 months or so. Reading your posts and archives helped me tremendously through "the bleeds", "endless spottings" and flashes. I’ve also learned from you that we call this "the change" because our symptoms shift and change without warning! Just remembering this makes dealing with it a lot easier. Current question: What are the latest recommendations for dealing with fatigue? Mine has gotten worse over the past 3-4 months. Except for meno-fog and erratic periods/spotting, fatique seems to be the only sympton du jour for me. In your archives, I read that some women had success fighting fatique with alfalfa and echanacea. Is this still considered viable? I’m not taking hormones and haven’t even been to a doctor in several years. Now that I have health insurance again, I’ll make an appointment — yes, I know I shouldn’t have waited so long to see a doctor, but didn’t have health insurance for about 3 years. Was also in a horrible marriage until about a year and a half ago. Thank God I got out after four (very long) years. He thought menopause and peri-menopause symptoms didn’t exist until they were "created" by "feminists" and "the media" during the 1970s. Yes, he was that stupid! (Or maybe just downright cruel.) Because women in past generations didn’t often discuss these symptoms with their children, especially their sons, maybe that’s why a lot of younger people don’t comprehend what most women go through. My fiance, who is totally gentle, caring and supportive, thinks that my fatigue could also be caused by sleep deprivation during my marriage, and maybe as sort of a post-traumatic syndrome reaction to domestic abuse. He knows that hormones, etc. are playing a big part, but I think he may have a valid point about the other, too. My ex didn’t believe that people needed much sleep, either. If he wasn’t waking me up in the middle of the night to yell at me for hours, he was playing loud techno or rock music all night, or watching some loud, violent movie video on TV. Add to this the fact that he (the ex) was usually unemployed and spent most of my paychecks on liquor. (Such a prize, right … and to think I waited until I was almost 47 to get married for the first time and made such a mistake … !) Well, this is probably more that you wanted to know about me, but since I really would like to become more active in the group, you all might as well know up front where I’m coming from. And I *am* an abuse survivor and definitely not a victim. Thank you again for all your support in the past, and for providing such a great forum. I recognize some of you from another NG, and you’ve been very helpful there, too. Happy belated Thanksgiving! I’m thankful for this NG. Val
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