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> Or beer. > OTOH, I’m not really fond of mushrooms.
And than w/o mushrooms what would pizza be..heck w/o beer what would pizza be?????? Cant have pizza for breakfast w/o beer!!!!! __________________________________________________________________________ I know you’re out there somewhere, somewhere you can hear my voice. I know I’ll find you somehow (MB) Chaim
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>Oh. Yum. well, I THOUGHT I was hungry…guess not… >(And I’ll bet that pizza’s cold isn’t it…) >- Karen
Well of course its cold….who would eat warm pizza for breakfast….brrr…makes me shudder just thinking of it….now is the beer warm?? that is negotiable…. __________________________________________________________________________ I know you’re out there somewhere, somewhere you can hear my voice. I know I’ll find you somehow (MB) Chaim
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I’ll just have the warm beer please. Must have my breakfast of champions. James
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>I’ll just have the warm beer please. Must have my breakfast of champions. >James
so you put the beer in the wheaties?????? __________________________________________________________________________ I know you’re out there somewhere, somewhere you can hear my voice. I know I’ll find you somehow (MB) Chaim
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>>>Hmmm…. I read what you wrote and thought not so much of OCD but of >>>a young man who’s just got a lot of character, is a bit stubborn >>>perhaps (not a bad thing — I happen to value stubbornness, in case >>>you hadn’t guessed <g>), and wants to do things according to his >>>rules — with no allowances or sympathy for any problems. >>You may have something there. Am I stubborn? Yeah, I guess I can be >>sometimes. Is it a good stubborness? Hmm. I’d have to think on that. >Well? <drumming fingers on desk, looking at watch> Have you decided >whether it’s a good stubborness or not? <smiling>
After quite a bit of thought on this, I still don’t have an answer. I guess that it’s just one of those things you have to take the good with the bad. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>I imagine that if you had a friend who could use some tolerance or >>>compassion, you’d be the first one providing it. Or you’d say to the >>>friend, "Look, I know you don’t want to go ask, even though you’re >>>entitled. But how about this: look at it as fall-back plan. Go >>>activate your legal entitlements and then just don’t use them… but >>>you’ll know that you have them and that may reduce your stress a >>>little bit." >>You must read into me pretty well. Yep, I’m full of good advice. Do I >>take any of it? I wish!! >Ever write yourself permission notes? It’s a nifty little trick when >you can’t get yourself to take a risk or to follow your own sage >advice. Simply write yourself a permission note addressed "To Whom It >May Concern: James has my permission to [xxxxxxxxx]." Then sign it, >and post it on the fridge.
Nope. I’d probably give myself permission to do the things I really shouldn’t do. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I used to give myself permission to foul up and not be perfect. >I got so good at it that now I foul up all the time! <G> >>>Creating a record legally is important, James. It may become >>>important in the future. So even if you don’t want any >>>accommodations, if you’re entitled to them, you might want to >>>establish that on the record. Just something to keep in mind. >>>I had one call where a kid made it all the way through college with no >>>accommodations, but needed them for his LSAT’s. Well, guess what? He >>>couldn’t get them because there had never been any record of him >>>needing them or being entitled to them before. Think ahead a bit… >>>and if you ever want to discuss it more, we can. >>I do have a record with social security. Not with the school though. I’m >>just a stubborn dumbass. >James, it sounds like you know what you need to do or would be better >off doing but are still fighting yourself. Any way we can support you >for doing what you know (in your head) you should do?
Well, I wish it was that easy. I’m getting better at making the right decisions, without getting all bent out of shape. All in time I guess. James
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>So, if we sucked on her toes, could we get drunk or something? I’ll race >ya to the limo!! >James
ROFL !!! What would someone who dropped in on ast and read this one first think of us????? Blessed
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>>Did you know that if you add up the ages of the three members of >>Hanson, I’m still older than their combined ages? <sigh> >><looking around for KAT.. I need another ol’ timer to commiserate >>with> <g>
Well, at least you know who Hanson is …. I’m way out of it!!!! Last my kids brought home was Spice Girls ???? Blessed
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>So, if we sucked on her toes, could we get drunk or something? I’ll >race >>>ya to the limo!! >>>James >>ROFL !!! >>What would someone who dropped in on ast and read this one first think >of >>us????? >>Blessed >probably not anything much different than what they ALREADY think about >us… >sigh….. >:-)) >KAT in CT
Ya know..im willing to bet there is either a suck on toenail fungus newsgroup…or chat room somewhere…… __________________________________________________________________________ I know you’re out there somewhere, somewhere you can hear my voice. I know I’ll find you somehow (MB) Chaim
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Before I stayed home with my kids, I was a mycologist (yes, a fungus researcher!). I think I resent all these negative fungus comments. Remember, without fungus there would be no wine and bread!
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James & Jenny Wren, I heard the fungus originated in a closet!!! Let’s have the party in the limo!! Blessed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>James, I guess you’re referring to melatonin here, and not the fungus?? >Actually I was referring to the melatonin, but now that I think about it, >BE CAREFUL OF FUNGUS, I HEAR IT’S GOING AROUND THIS NEWSGROUP. PLEASE >READ THE FAQ ON THE PROPER HANDLING OF THIS MATERIAL. >Thank you. >James >>>Subject: Re: OCD. How about yours? >>>From: jander7…@aol.com (JAnder7477) >>>Date: 21 Aug 1997 16:56:58 GMT >>>Message-ID: <19970821165601.MAA05…@ladder01.news.aol.com> >>>>Sorry, James, my mistake. It’s that fungus acting up again!! >>>>Blessed >>>No problem. It wouldn’t have made a difference to me, I’ve already >>>learned my lesson. And to anybody else who is gonna take it: >>>JUST BE CAREFUL!! >>>James
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J the Fungus Mom wrote: >Before I stayed home with my kids, I was a mycologist (yes, a fungus >researcher!). I think I resent all these negative fungus comments. >Remember, without fungus there would be no wine and bread!
Wine and bread on my feet?? Along with my pedicure?? Blessed
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In article <19970823003401.UAA01…@ladder02.news.aol.com>, blessed…@aol.com (BlessedBy2) writes: >BE CAREFUL OF FUNGUS, I HEAR IT’S GOING AROUND THIS NEWSGROUP. PLEASE >>READ THE FAQ ON THE PROPER HANDLING OF THIS MATERIAL. >>Thank you. >>James
Oh no! Is there a Fungus Amongus? – Karen Mother Of – oh, you know.
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>> You lose a lot of your memory, and don’t get >>some back ever. >….. >> If I remember correctly.
What I said was true. All of it. I did post it that way to make it a little funny though. >ROFL (do you know that one? Rolling on Floor Laughing).
Yep. I’ve actually been online for a number of years. I’ve just recently decided that I was honest enough about things to join a ng, and start posting. >P.S. Are you posting twice on purpose, or is your computer glitching like >Bonnie’s??
I’m posting twice??? Must be a glitch. I do post quite a bit, but haven’t posted the same thing twice. Although, I know I have the tendency to say the same things over and over. >Blessed
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>Sorry, James, my mistake. It’s that fungus acting up again!! >Blessed
No problem. It wouldn’t have made a difference to me, I’ve already learned my lesson. And to anybody else who is gonna take it: JUST BE CAREFUL!! James
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>James, I guess you’re referring to melatonin here, and not the fungus??
Actually I was referring to the melatonin, but now that I think about it, BE CAREFUL OF FUNGUS, I HEAR IT’S GOING AROUND THIS NEWSGROUP. PLEASE READ THE FAQ ON THE PROPER HANDLING OF THIS MATERIAL. Thank you. James – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Subject: Re: OCD. How about yours? >>From: jander7…@aol.com (JAnder7477) >>Date: 21 Aug 1997 16:56:58 GMT >>Message-ID: <19970821165601.MAA05…@ladder01.news.aol.com> >>>Sorry, James, my mistake. It’s that fungus acting up again!! >>>Blessed >>No problem. It wouldn’t have made a difference to me, I’ve already >>learned my lesson. And to anybody else who is gonna take it: >>JUST BE CAREFUL!! >>James
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James, I think I read somewhere that TSers should avoid melatonin.. not necessarily. According to Dr. Roger Freeman, who occasionally lurks here and serves on the TSA Med. Advisory Board, melatonin in effective, thus far, in treating sleep disorders in some of his TS patients. His only caution was that it should not be taken if the patient is also taking an anti-convulsant, such as Dilantin. I take melatonin occasionally. It helps me get to sleep. Doesn’t "drug" me…no hangover….quite easy…."lets" me fall asleep within about 20 minutes. KAT in CT
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James: > You lose a lot of your memory, and don’t get >some back ever. ….. > If I remember correctly.
ROFL (do you know that one? Rolling on Floor Laughing). P.S. Are you posting twice on purpose, or is your computer glitching like Bonnie’s?? Blessed
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In article <19970820184501.OAA28…@ladder02.news.aol.com>, fangbas…@aol.com (FANGBASHER) writes: >James–what you do describe sounds like depression and possibly bi-polar >disorder—manic-depression—but I would never say that is exactly what >you have based on just a description, although it is a possibility.
Dear James, I also wonder if you may be bipolar, especially in light of your strong reaction to melatonin. I would definitely check this possibility out! Have you tried lithium therapy? I know that you don’t like taking medications, and I can relate to you totally since my son also has strong adverse reactions to medications. My son is taking vitamins and minerals that have smoothed his symptoms out to a low level, and this is the best answer for him. There may be another treatment available for bipolar, since I haven’t researched this subject. I would be happy to look into this if you want me to (both unconventional and conventional) by checking medline and the PDR, but first see if this is the right diagnosis with your doctor. Good luck! Warmly, Bonnie
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->James–what you do describe sounds like depression and possibly bi-polar >disorder—manic-depression—but I would never say that is exactly what >you have based on just a description, although it is a possibility. I >think I did write you that our daughter, whose TS was severe, was able to >find the right medication with basically minimal if any side effects—so >TS and OCD did not consume her as it as you. I don’t know if this >medication will always work for her —but it has for the past 4 years. >The experience you describe after your successful semester is not all that >unusual—in one sense that is. Many go through let down period after >intense work after it subsides and changes. Your reaction, though, does >appear to be similar but definately more exteme—and may have >bio-chemical basis. There is still much inconsistant knowledge and >treatment re. TS but more professionals are becoming increasing >knowledgable and specialized. It may be an area you wish to further >explore.
Been to many a head shrinker in my day. Even had my brain fried a few times (shock therapy). I’m very, very sensitive to medicine, I will not even attempt to take it anymore. Last time I had (maybe two yrs ago) I had been on at least one antidepressant out of every group. Many with the most severe and rare side effects. That is why I have always refused to take anti psychotics, one of their side effects is sudden death. It’s in the literature. But I get along ok, it’s a struggle, but with this disorder, I’ve been given the courage to deal with it the best I can. James
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>My son also was awake for 18 hour periods as an infant. I had a nephew >that was born at the same time, he slept 22 hours a day! The pediatrician >said both were within the range! (though we were at the extreme ends!). >But it was very frustrating for me to have my first child require sooooo >little sleep, I required much more than that, I went through the first >year of parenthood basically sleep deprived (though I know I’m not alone >on this one!). My son still has a hard time going to sleep, he wigggles, >and tosses and turns. He also has a hard time getting up now in the >morning, but probably just do to the fact that he goes to sleep so late.
Yep, same story for me. I don’t toss and turn though. I’ve totally given up on trying to make it happen. I know that once I’m tired, I’ll go to bed. I just don’t get tired too often. >It was interesting though, I thought something was definately wrong with >my son not sleeping as an infant, and though my Pediatrician said it was >within the norm, I knew of no other parents that had babies who slept so >little, in fact not even anyone close. If I was lucky enough to get him >to take a nap, it was usually a 15-20 minute nap at tops. Then he usually >went to sleep around midnight and was up between 5:30-6:00 in the morning >- as cheerful as could be I might add! But in late afternoon he would get >so agitated and fussy – but refused to take a nap most of the time! (He >also had colic wich I know has already been discussed)
I missed those discussions. After I was days old, I came down with hyperbillireuben enimia <sp?> I was nearly dead. Noone thought I’d make it. I believe my jaundice count (I can’t recall the name of what they count) was somewhere near a 23, 24, or a similar number. His grandparents >thought that he was a willful and stuborn child – I on the other hand just >kept thinking something was wrong. Don’t know what this all means >however.
Yep, two things were wrong. One, his grandparents. Two, he had ts. Marietta (But it is ironic that the biggest misconception about >the behaviors of Tourette’s is that it is simply "willful and stuborn" >behavior)
Yeah, it sure is. I can still remember my aunt smacking me for grunting. James
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I don’t know if this topic has been discussed much, but I’d be interested in hearing how everybody’s ocd affects them. It’s hard to describe what I’m looking for, but I’ll try. Like, I find my ocd really hard to fully describe, because I feel that it’s much more than just obsessiveness or compulsivity. I know that sometimes I get into certain moods when something happens to me, and I feel like it’s surely ocd, but I’ll talk about that in a sec. I’m sure I’ll have more to add to this later, but I’m gonna try to describe some of the funny things about mine that don’t seem to me to be obsessive or compulsive. Here goes. I apologize for this may be a long post. I dropped out of high school in my senior year, the tics were really bad and my depression (which I think may have been just a symptom of ocd, not real depression) was really bad. Anyways, for about two years I was out of the flow of life. I didn’t leave the house for months at a time (sometimes occasionally leaving in the safety of the night with my loving mother) and was really kind of a waste. Well, I finally got my act together, and got my GED, enrolled in a small community college, and got a 4.0 my first semester. Everything seemed to be going perfectly. Like the first week of my break, things got real bad. I was totally depressed. I started to feel horrible. My sleeping problems got real bad again, and it was just a nightmare. It was also very shocking, because days before, I had felt like life could not possibly get any better. But here’s why I think the depression was really ocd. I knew I shouldn’t be depressed. I would mope around, or be really really angry, but I’d be telling my mom that I was actually OK. I couldn’t understand it. How could I know how good everything was, but still feel so bad. I loved the break, I loved the situations in my life, and was not upset about anything. Why was I so depressed and having the terrible mood swings? Well, I feel certain that it wasn’t depression (I’m sure I could be wrong, but this is just how I felt and still feel). It seemed to me that as soon as I got the break, and a change in my schedule, that the ocd kicked in forcefully. But that’s not obsessive or compulsive. Does it have a term I don’t know? When my tics got real bad the first time (when I dropped out), I learned everything I could about tourettes. I knew more than any doctor I have ever met. But I really only studied the aspect of the tics. At the time, I didn’t know much about the ocd, and thought I really didn’t have much of it. I know I do now, because I’m extremely obsessive. Not too compulsive, but have my moments of it too. I’ve been diagnosed with depression for a long long time. I’m not sure I ever truly had it (alone at least). I believe it was just a symptom of the ocd. Do I make any sense? I also tend to be real confused sometimes. Now, I know that everybody does at some time, but I just feel that it’s different than "normal" confusion. I’ve read about losing timeand space and all of that, and have even done that at times. How about that? Is that ocd? I would think so. What else could it be? But than does that make it obsessive or compulsive? Is there anywhere that discusses other symptoms of ocd? I know in my psy. class, we only talked about obsessiveness and compulsivity. And I haven’t personally heard of any but those two symptoms. Anyways, I have more stories, and some different "wierd" things that I think are ocd. At the moment they escape me. I think I’ve been way to serious here. Maybe I need to tell a joke or something. Maybe I’ll write another stupid poem. OCD, a sickening thought a need to do what’s wrong. My mind, a mess, completely wrought. It’s been this way too long. Obsessiveness, ideas bound all twisted, nasty, bad. And worse ones yet, as I have found I know I haven’t had Compulsiveness, a horrid act I wish I had not done. Yet I can’t stop, this is a fact, They’ll happen one by one. Disorder is the final word My brain’s the same as well No order has my mind’s ear heard Disorder equals hell That last line kind of sucked (as if the whole thing didn’t!) I swear I just wrote that!!! Anyways, now that I’ve gotten that out of my system, allow me to get back to the point. Has anyone any other stories or maybe explanations about ocd. If so, I’d really like to hear them. Maybe help me come to a better understanding of the unidentifyable. Maybe help us all? Thanks for the listening ear. James
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Can you please reply on OCD re: how the "O" is related to the "C"? >>I’m trying to determine of my daughter has OCD as well. I believe she >>may have TS. Thanks. >>Tom >Tom, >Obsessive, generally means, unwanted thoughts. Compulsive, means unwanted >behavior. This is just how I learned them in psy. class. It’s just the >basics of them. O can often become C. >James
Or O can lead to C as in unwanted (C) behaviors used to combat unwanted (O) thoughts. Blessed
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> > My mother told me > >that at a few weeks old, I was staying up for 18 hrs straight >sometimes. > >The doctors told her flat out that she was lying. >Just like my son…stopped all napping by 15 months!
My son also was awake for 18 hour periods as an infant. I had a nephew that was born at the same time, he slept 22 hours a day! The pediatrician said both were within the range! (though we were at the extreme ends!). But it was very frustrating for me to have my first child require sooooo little sleep, I required much more than that, I went through the first year of parenthood basically sleep deprived (though I know I’m not alone on this one!). My son still has a hard time going to sleep, he wigggles, and tosses and turns. He also has a hard time getting up now in the morning, but probably just do to the fact that he goes to sleep so late. It was interesting though, I thought something was definately wrong with my son not sleeping as an infant, and though my Pediatrician said it was within the norm, I knew of no other parents that had babies who slept so little, in fact not even anyone close. If I was lucky enough to get him to take a nap, it was usually a 15-20 minute nap at tops. Then he usually went to sleep around midnight and was up between 5:30-6:00 in the morning – as cheerful as could be I might add! But in late afternoon he would get so agitated and fussy – but refused to take a nap most of the time! (He also had colic wich I know has already been discussed) His grandparents thought that he was a willful and stuborn child – I on the other hand just kept thinking something was wrong. Don’t know what this all means however. Marietta (But it is ironic that the biggest misconception about the behaviors of Tourette’s is that it is simply "willful and stuborn" behavior)
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Dear James, You wrote, >Anyways, I have more stories, and some different "wierd" things that I >think are ocd. At the moment they escape me. I think I’ve been way to >serious here. Maybe I need to tell a joke or something.
No, not way too serious (but I like your humor). These questions are exactly what I am groping with in trying to understand my son. Your description is very helpful. I’m trying to sort out if his death-related-trauma is more of an obsession than depression, or a "mental tic" which may be different than an obsession, or truly post-traumatic-stress related, and I know it’s all mixed up in the way you describe it. I hope having a loving mother helped, because I’m doing my best!!! > I didn’t leave the house for months at a time >(sometimes occasionally leaving in the safety of the night with my loving >mother) and was really kind of a waste.
Cheers, Blessed
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James, Death as a side affect?? Hmmmm….. don’t go there!! James, please stop being so hard on yourself … no, none of your posts sound weird at all. Many of us are experimenting with St. John’s Wort, and no one has yet said anything negative …. have you considered it?? James, does your mother know how much you love her? Do you know that one thing we worry about is helping our children "too much", whatever that means? Some of us worry that if we help"too much", they won’t learn coping skills, or they may resent or feel guilty that we over-focused, etc., etc., etc. It’s hard to "help" and yet maintain a balance in your life and family. I’m here a lot know because I’m on a steep learning curve, but I know that I’ll have to balance more things once school starts… Cheers, Blessed
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -JAnder7477 wrote: > I don’t know if this topic has been discussed much, but I’d be interested > in hearing how everybody’s ocd affects them. It’s hard to describe what > I’m looking for, but I’ll try. Like, I find my ocd really hard to fully > describe, because I feel that it’s much more than just obsessiveness or > compulsivity. I know that sometimes I get into certain moods when > something happens to me, and I feel like it’s surely ocd, but I’ll talk > about that in a sec. I’m sure I’ll have more to add to this later, but > I’m gonna try to describe some of the funny things about mine that don’t > seem to me to be obsessive or compulsive. > Here goes. I apologize for this may be a long post. > I dropped out of high school in my senior year, the tics were really bad > and my depression (which I think may have been just a symptom of ocd, not > real depression) was really bad. Anyways, for about two years I was out > of the flow of life. I didn’t leave the house for months at a time > (sometimes occasionally leaving in the safety of the night with my loving > mother) and was really kind of a waste. Well, I finally got my act > together, and got my GED, enrolled in a small community college, and got a > 4.0 my first semester. Everything seemed to be going perfectly. > Like the first week of my break, things got real bad. I was totally > depressed. I started to feel horrible. My sleeping problems got real bad > again, and it was just a nightmare. It was also very shocking, because > days before, I had felt like life could not possibly get any better. But > here’s why I think the depression was really ocd. I knew I shouldn’t be > depressed. I would mope around, or be really really angry, but I’d be > telling my mom that I was actually OK. I couldn’t understand it. How > could I know how good everything was, but still feel so bad. I loved the > break, I loved the situations in my life, and was not upset about > anything. Why was I so depressed and having the terrible mood swings? > Well, I feel certain that it wasn’t depression (I’m sure I could be wrong, > but this is just how I felt and still feel). It seemed to me that as soon > as I got the break, and a change in my schedule, that the ocd kicked in > forcefully. But that’s not obsessive or compulsive. Does it have a term > I don’t know? When my tics got real bad the first time (when I dropped > out), I learned everything I could about tourettes. I knew more than any > doctor I have ever met. But I really only studied the aspect of the tics. > At the time, I didn’t know much about the ocd, and thought I really > didn’t have much of it. I know I do now, because I’m extremely obsessive. > Not too compulsive, but have my moments of it too. > I’ve been diagnosed with depression for a long long time. I’m not sure I > ever truly had it (alone at least). I believe it was just a symptom of > the ocd. Do I make any sense? > I also tend to be real confused sometimes. Now, I know that everybody > does at some time, but I just feel that it’s different than "normal" > confusion. I’ve read about losing timeand space and all of that, and have > even done that at times. How about that? Is that ocd? I would think so. > What else could it be? But than does that make it obsessive or > compulsive? Is there anywhere that discusses other symptoms of ocd? I > know in my psy. class, we only talked about obsessiveness and > compulsivity. And I haven’t personally heard of any but those two > symptoms. > Anyways, I have more stories, and some different "wierd" things that I > think are ocd. At the moment they escape me. I think I’ve been way to > serious here. Maybe I need to tell a joke or something. Maybe I’ll write > another stupid poem. > OCD, a sickening thought > a need to do what’s wrong. > My mind, a mess, completely wrought. > It’s been this way too long. > Obsessiveness, ideas bound > all twisted, nasty, bad. > And worse ones yet, as I have found > I know I haven’t had > Compulsiveness, a horrid act > I wish I had not done. > Yet I can’t stop, this is a fact, > They’ll happen one by one. > Disorder is the final word > My brain’s the same as well > No order has my mind’s ear heard > Disorder equals hell > That last line kind of sucked (as if the whole thing didn’t!) > I swear I just wrote that!!! > Anyways, now that I’ve gotten that out of my system, allow me to get back > to the point. Has anyone any other stories or maybe explanations about > ocd. If so, I’d really like to hear them. Maybe help me come to a better > understanding of the unidentifyable. Maybe help us all? > Thanks for the listening ear. > James,
Can you please reply on OCD re: how the "O" is related to the "C"? I’m trying to determine of my daughter has OCD as well. I believe she may have TS. Thanks. Tom
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