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Given that this is appearing on talk.politics.LIBERTARIAN, you really are an ignorant little fuck, aren’t you?
This is also appearing on several other newsgroups as well, including rap. Does this mean that all Libertarians talk and think like you? Careful what you call people, least you be accused the same. I read the previous post and yours. Guess which one I consider credible, and which isn’t.
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Okay, let’s break this down by the numbers… N4ZHG –obviously, you are full of shit. N-numbers only have up to two letters at the end. Just to double check, a database query on your "tail" number (oh no, the feds know my tail number?) comes up blank.
Maybe that’s because N4ZHG is an Amateur Radio Service callsign. Now don’t you feel silly? NRA(L) — lemme guess, National Rifle Association Lifetime Member. Meaning you are a fucking gun nut dork who likes to play with guns so they’ll feel important (see a trend here?)
Yes, I do. You’re making an ass of yourself. And the rest I don’t know but I am sure it’s related to militia-stuff or other general "i am an asshole" organizations…or just plain old made up shit (remember your N-number)
At least you seem to have some faint awareness of your own ignorance. Perhaps by the time you learn and understand what all those notations mean, you’ll have gained a little more wisdom and perhaps even manners. — Todd Tolhurst http://www.w3xpert.com/toto/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B LPWV NRA(L) ProvNRA GOA CCRKBA JPFO Okay, let’s break this down by the numbers… N4ZHG –obviously, you are full of shit. N-numbers only have up to two letters at the end. Just to double check, a database query on your "tail" number (oh no, the feds know my tail number?) comes up blank. That’s an amateur radio license call sign, not an aircraft tail number. Now, aren’t you embarrassed?
Silly me, I thought maybe in rec.aviation.piloting that it would be an N-number (tail). I certainly don’t think that’s a stretch. As I understand it, nearly all ham call signs start with w or k. WV/EMT-B –a West Virginian Emergency Medical Technician? Most EMT’s I know, back in school, were dorks who like to feel important….<insert West Virginian joke here LPWV — not sure, but I bet it has something to do with the asshole of the nation, West Virginia You’ve got that mixed up with either Massachusetts or New York.
No, I would definately say that West Virginia takes the cake, with NJ a close second. NRA(L) — lemme guess, National Rifle Association Lifetime Member. Meaning you are a fucking gun nut dork who likes to play with guns so they’ll feel important (see a trend here?) My, your bigotry is showing up today, better take your "special" medicine before you start quivering, again. I don’t know if Frank Ney is an asshole, or not; but he’s armed so you should develop more respect, real quick.
I am stationed in Japan, so he might have a problem getting his ak-47 (of course it’s for sport….there are some really big squirrel in the woods) through the metal detector at the airport. Being stationed here has allowed me to see that maybe less guns are not a bad thing for america. The crime is so amazingly low here. I worked for the FAA for better than six years, you clearly don’t know from squat on this issue.
doing what? Now think real hard…if the NTSB isn’t considered the best in the world, why do so many other countries send their prospective crash investigators here to train with them?
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Given that this is appearing on talk.politics.LIBERTARIAN, you really are an ignorant little fuck, aren’t you?
I’m sorry, I didn’t look at the header close enough…I was just responding to Frank’s post, so whatever he posted to, my response was also posted there….he’s the crossposter, not I, sir. That’s not bigotry, that’s how right-thinking folks like Kevin and his mistress-and-mother Sarah believe the world really is.
Who the hell is Sarah? Gunowners of America, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, ?Committee for the Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms? NOT related to militia stuff; related to keeping your worthless ass FREE.
You have that backwards. I am in the military, stationed in Okinawa keeping your dumb ass free. Militias are nothing more than Soldier of Fortune subscribing worthless dangerous sacks of crap that tote their guns while drinking their beers spewing anti-american sentiments while daring to cloak themselves with the label of "patriots". You know, Frank posts a fair bit, and generally makes sense. Maybe you ought to lurk a bit before the next time you embarrass yourself with a keyboard.
Did I embarrass myself because you disagree with me? I doubt it. — Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly, and for the same reason.
I guess I shouldn’t have expected more from a "webTV" subscriber!
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Given that this is appearing on talk.politics.LIBERTARIAN, you really are an ignorant little fuck, aren’t you? This is also appearing on several other newsgroups as well, including rap. Does this mean that all Libertarians talk and think like you? Careful what you call people, least you be accused the same. I read the previous post and yours. Guess which one I consider credible, and which isn’t.
If I am reading this correctly, Mr. Beck is supporting me. Thank you.
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Maybe that’s because N4ZHG is an Amateur Radio Service callsign. Now don’t you feel silly?
HMMMMM….on rec.aviation.piloting…..hmmm…..which one makes more sense? dumbass
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Silly me, I thought maybe in rec.aviation.piloting that it would be an N-number (tail). I certainly don’t think that’s a stretch. As I understand it, nearly all ham call signs start with w or k.
New ham licenses have been starting with N for years now. The United States has the prefixes W, K, and N. In theory the FAA could issue W and K registrations to planes if they wanted to. (Although all available numbers have probably been used by radio licenses)
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Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B LPWV NRA(L) ProvNRA GOA CCRKBA JPFO Okay, let’s break this down by the numbers… N4ZHG –obviously, you are full of shit. N-numbers only have up to two letters at the end. Just to double check, a database query on your "tail" number (oh no, the feds know my tail number?) comes up blank.
I don’t want to interupt your tirade here, but I will anyway. N4ZHG is a radio callsign. Radio, not airplane. See? Radios are electronic devices used to communicate via modulation of radio waves. Airplanes are mechanical vehicles who give homage to Dr. Bernouli in order to move people or things from one place or another. WV/EMT-B –a West Virginian Emergency Medical Technician? Most EMT’s I know, back in school, were dorks who like to feel important….<insert West Virginian joke here
The fact you associate with megalomaniacal imbeciles in no way denigrates the profession of Emergency Medical Technician. Tell you what, you wander down to your nearest hospital. Spend ten consecutive Friday nights in the Emergency Department. Once the emergent patients are stable and recovering, ask them their opinion of the EMT’s. Until then, shut the fuck up. You don’t have a clue of what you speak. Until you’ve spent six hours standing up to your neck in a sewage filled canal, holding a mother of four’s head out of the water so she can be cut out of the car, you have nothing to say. When you can honestly say you’ve literally seen the entire contents of a human abdominal cavity pour out of the car when the door is cut open, then you can talk. Until then, you’re an annoying twit. Don’t speak ill about your betters LPWV — not sure, but I bet it has something to do with the asshole of the nation, West Virginia
Personally I don’t have a clue what it stands for. But whether you like it or not, West Virginia has exactly the same number of Senators as your own festering shithole of a state. Your opinion of it is irrelevant. NRA(L) — lemme guess, National Rifle Association Lifetime Member. Meaning you are a fucking gun nut dork who likes to play with guns so they’ll feel important (see a trend here?)
You are an annoying bigot. Poorly educated and completely willing to denigrate someone in a grotesquely infantile manner. Didn’t your mother teach you better? What makes you think that Mr. Ney even owns a gun? If he does, what leads you to believe it’s not a $55,000 Purdy trap gun? Yes, I do see a trend here, you’re demonstrating conclusively that you are a bigot and not even a particularly erudite one at that. ProvNRA — not sure, but again, something to do with the NRA. Provincial Army of the NRA maybe? Militiaman?
Oh dear, yet another acronym you don’t understand. Rather than tax your brain, you’ll just fall back on your third grade insults. Wonderfully done. Badly worded, poorly phrased, contextually questionable and semantically null. All in all, you don’t even seem to be able to generate a competent insult. And the rest I don’t know but I am sure it’s related to militia-stuff or other general "i am an asshole" organizations…or just plain old made up shit (remember your N-number)
Gun Owners of America, Citizens Comittee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Not a militia among them. Speaking of militiae, you do realize you are a member of the militia, don’t you? Or is the ability to read your own Constitution beyond your capabilities? Perhaps you could get someone to both read it to you and then explain it. Remember the "N" number? The radio call sign? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — "America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards. On the road to tyranny, we’ve gone so far that polite political action is about as useless as a miniskirt in a convent." – Claire Wolfe, _101 Things To Do ‘Til The Revolution_ You think that the government is after you, don’t you….get a clue. Every other country in the world looks to the NTSB as crash-investigator gods. You think that you dumb sister-fucking lying ass is smarter than the "feds" you fucking gun nut. I am so tired of sycophant wannabes chiming in with their bullshit theories on this crash. You are most likely not a
pilot. How about me. I’m no longer a pilot. I’m not a wannabe, everything I’ve decided to pursue I’ve achieved. My theories aren’t, "bullshit", they’re extrapolations based on the circumstances of the crash. Interestingly enough, the NTSB’s initial report seems to match my, "bullshit", theory nearly to the letter. As for the Government being after me? When I look at my gross income and then look at the amount the government takes for purposes both objectionable and unconstitutional, I think it’s fair to say that they’re after my money at very least. Since my money is the means by which I generate my lifestyle, I find a very logical causal chain leading to the conclusion that they’re after me. I don’t claim it to be a specific and personal persecution but the fact can’t be denied that they take my posessions without my permission under threat of imprisonment and fine. Seems pretty clear to me. Shut up, roll over and kiss your cousin good night, asshole.
I’m not speaking, I’m typing. I’m sitting so rolling over is a bit problematical. I haven’t seen any of my cousins for over a decade and none are the type I’d kiss. I prefer the word, "anus", but, "asshole", will do for those who can’t understand the proper term. I have one, I’m not one. See the difference?
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Did John Glenn mention the deal he had with Clinton. This is the deal where Glenn would totally obstruct Fred Thompson’s committee on Johnny Chung and secrets sold to communist China in exchange for a trip on the shuttle. BTW, anybody know when Glenn is paying back the $1 million in debts he still owes when he tried to run for President? Glenn is a disgrace. The space program had some very good men like Alan Shepard and Jim Lovell. How did a creepy self-promoter like Glenn ever get in. JFK Jr. was a pleasant kid but he used very bad judgement. The Kennedy men have a very bad record with making good decisions. If you are reckless, you get hurt. I feel bad for the kid but I feel worse for the wife and sister. They were concerned and did not want to fly with him. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dan Blather, quoting former astronaut John Glenn, has stated that nobody should fly a plane with a single engine. Further, he stated that there should be two pilots in each plane. I hasten to point out that Ron, in his message below, has already formed conclusions about the cause of the JFK Jr. crash, conclusions which the NTSB says will take that agency six to nine months to form. Pretty good. To be fair, though, Blather has jumped to conclusions of his own… — forwarded from a friend — Wea-hl, now that JFK Junior has earned himself a richly deserved Darwin Award, with double innocent passenger clusters, it is to be expected that your friendly statist legislators, Republicrat and Democrican alike, will be leaping to their feet to introduce hundreds of new laws and restrictions on general aviation.
Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Silly me, I thought maybe in rec.aviation.piloting that it would be an N-number (tail). I certainly don’t think that’s a stretch. As I understand it, nearly all ham call signs start with w or k. New ham licenses have been starting with N for years now. The United States has the prefixes W, K, and N.
For ham radio the US has A, K, N and W. In theory the FAA could issue W and K registrations to planes if they wanted to. (Although all available numbers have probably been used by radio licenses)
All planes will start with an N. Whether or not they are a dupe of a radio callsign is irrelavent.
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N4ZHG –obviously, you are full of shit. N-numbers only have up to two letters at the end. Just to double check, a database query on your "tail" number (oh no, the feds know my tail number?) comes up blank. That’s an amateur radio license call sign, not an aircraft tail number. Now, aren’t you embarrassed? Silly me, I thought maybe in rec.aviation.piloting that it would be an N-number (tail).
It’s clear the poster’s signature included many affiliations, professional, personal and political. Why you would think that all or any of them would be directly on-topic for any given newsgroup is baffling. As I understand it, nearly all ham call signs start with w or k.
Yes, you have established that your understanding has its limits. N-calls are very, very common. U.S. calls can begin with A, K, N or W. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt. — Todd Tolhurst http://www.w3xpert.com/toto/
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Maybe that’s because N4ZHG is an Amateur Radio Service callsign. Now don’t you feel silly? HMMMMM….on rec.aviation.piloting…..hmmm…..which one makes more sense? dumbass
Considering that it doesn’t fit the format of a tail number, I’d say a reasonable person would conclude that it *isn’t* a tail number, regardless of which newsgroup the signature line appears in. You, on the other hand, assume it indicates that the poster is "full of shit". Nice. — Todd Tolhurst http://www.w3xpert.com/toto/
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I must admit, the N number originally got me, too. I had no idea (actually hadn’t even thought of it) that ham operators would be using N numbers, too. Learn something everyday. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Silly me, I thought maybe in rec.aviation.piloting that it would be an N-number (tail). I certainly don’t think that’s a stretch. As I understand it, nearly all ham call signs start with w or k. New ham licenses have been starting with N for years now. The United States has the prefixes W, K, and N. In theory the FAA could issue W and K registrations to planes if they wanted to. (Although all available numbers have probably been used by radio licenses)
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Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B LPWV NRA(L) ProvNRA GOA CCRKBA JPFO Okay, let’s break this down by the numbers… N4ZHG –obviously, you are full of shit. N-numbers only have up to two letters at the end. Just to double check, a database query on your "tail" number (oh no, the feds know my tail number?) comes up blank.
That’s an amateur radio license call sign, not an aircraft tail number. Now, aren’t you embarrassed? WV/EMT-B –a West Virginian Emergency Medical Technician? Most EMT’s I know, back in school, were dorks who like to feel important….<insert West Virginian joke here
As a Registered nurse, this is profoundly not true. I don’t know how close the EMT-B is to a paramedic, but it’s on the way to that goal. Your discouraging anyone from getting training with which they might save someone having a heart attack or life threatening injury is not only deplorable, it just plain irresponsible. LPWV — not sure, but I bet it has something to do with the asshole of the nation, West Virginia
You’ve got that mixed up with either Massachusetts or New York. NRA(L) — lemme guess, National Rifle Association Lifetime Member. Meaning you are a fucking gun nut dork who likes to play with guns so they’ll feel important (see a trend here?)
My, your bigotry is showing up today, better take your "special" medicine before you start quivering, again. ProvNRA — not sure, but again, something to do with the NRA. Provincial Army of the NRA maybe? Militiaman? And the rest I don’t know but I am sure it’s related to militia-stuff or other general "i am an asshole" organizations…or just plain old made up shit (remember your N-number)
I don’t know if Frank Ney is an asshole, or not; but he’s armed so you should develop more respect, real quick. — "America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards. On the road to tyranny, we’ve gone so far that polite political action is about as useless as a miniskirt in a convent." – Claire Wolfe, _101 Things To Do ‘Til The Revolution_ You think that the government is after you, don’t you….get a clue. Every other country in the world looks to the NTSB as crash-investigator gods.
I worked for the FAA for better than six years, you clearly don’t know from squat on this issue. You think that you dumb sister-fucking lying ass is smarter than the "feds" you fucking gun nut.
Yes, genius, Frank Ney, like most gun owners I know, is much smarter than the government on nearly EVERY issue. I am so tired of sycophant wannabes chiming in with their bullshit theories on this crash. You are most likely not a pilot. Shut up, roll over and kiss your cousin good night, asshole.
Oh, great. Another petulant, teenagerish lout speaks with all the authority he can muster. Tsk-tsk, why don’t you stay on the porch, you clearly aren’t up to dealing with the big dogs on this newsgroup. Pat Hines
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Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B LPWV NRA(L) ProvNRA GOA CCRKBA JPFO
Okay, let’s break this down by the numbers… N4ZHG –obviously, you are full of shit. N-numbers only have up to two letters at the end. Just to double check, a database query on your "tail" number (oh no, the feds know my tail number?) comes up blank. WV/EMT-B –a West Virginian Emergency Medical Technician? Most EMT’s I know, back in school, were dorks who like to feel important….<insert West Virginian joke here LPWV — not sure, but I bet it has something to do with the asshole of the nation, West Virginia NRA(L) — lemme guess, National Rifle Association Lifetime Member. Meaning you are a fucking gun nut dork who likes to play with guns so they’ll feel important (see a trend here?) ProvNRA — not sure, but again, something to do with the NRA. Provincial Army of the NRA maybe? Militiaman? And the rest I don’t know but I am sure it’s related to militia-stuff or other general "i am an asshole" organizations…or just plain old made up shit (remember your N-number) — "America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards. On the road to tyranny, we’ve gone so far that polite political action is about as useless as a miniskirt in a convent." – Claire Wolfe, _101 Things To Do ‘Til The Revolution_
You think that the government is after you, don’t you….get a clue. Every other country in the world looks to the NTSB as crash-investigator gods. You think that you dumb sister-fucking lying ass is smarter than the "feds" you fucking gun nut. I am so tired of sycophant wannabes chiming in with their bullshit theories on this crash. You are most likely not a pilot. Shut up, roll over and kiss your cousin good night, asshole.
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I hasten to point out that Ron, in his message below, has already formed conclusions about the cause of the JFK Jr. crash, conclusions which the NTSB says will take that agency six to nine months to form. Pretty good.
It’s not all that amazing that someone with a modest amount of common sense, or any time in the left seat, can reach the same conclusions it will take a government bureaucracy almost a year to reach, with about as much accuracy. A perfect example of the inefficiency and waste inherent in government. Frank Ney N4ZHG WV/EMT-B LPWV NRA(L) ProvNRA GOA CCRKBA JPFO — "America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards. On the road to tyranny, we’ve gone so far that polite political action is about as useless as a miniskirt in a convent." - Claire Wolfe, _101 Things To Do ‘Til The Revolution_ —–BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK—– Version 3.12 GAT d- s:+ a35 C$ L++++++$ P+ W++ N++ o– K- w— O(++) M- PS+++ PE++ Y+ PGP+ t+ 5++ X+ R tv+ b+++ DI+++ UF++ D++ G e+* h* r++ y?* ——END GEEK CODE BLOCK——
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While mechanical failure can’t be ruled out, it seems that pilot error (vertigo) is the most likely explanation for the crash. I don’t want to go jumping to conclusions, but catastrophic mechanical failure is less often the cause of an accident than pilot error. This is especially true in general aviation. BTW, even experienced pilots can get vertigo. It isn’t at all uncommon. However, they usually rely on their instruments. Mind you, if the intruments lie because they were not properly maintained the pilot may trust them right into the terrain. — David Steuber | david at david-steuber dot com preferred SAJ7580C2 | If you reply to me and the group, please say so | owner of a | V o t e P R O – R K B A banned rifle | Support your local gun store: Shop there often Egotism is the anesthetic given by a kindly nature to relieve the pain of being a damned fool. — Bellamy Brooks
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The only real thing that sounded like it would work here is the suggestion to use propeller locks. IT WILL CUT DOWN ON AVIATION DEATHS IF WE LOCK UP ALL HARZELL PROPS! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — forwarded from a friend — Wea-hl, now that JFK Junior has earned himself a richly deserved Darwin Award, with double innocent passenger clusters, it is to be expected that your friendly statist legislators, Republicrat and Democrican alike, will be leaping to their feet to introduce hundreds of new laws and restrictions on general aviation. Bill and Hillary will triumphantly shake hands with Congressional leaders of both parties as the bills are signed into law. Let’s recap: JFKJ buys himself a complex, high performance aircraft not long after finishing his visual-flight-only certification. He has limited time in type and has recently broken his foot, which prevents him from operating the pedal controls properly. His wife (who has in the past refused to fly with him) is persuaded to join him, along with a friend. Although there is heavy haze in the air, enough to badly impair visibility in full daylight, and although a number of other pilots are opting not to fly, he takes off into a night of near-total darkness without bothering to file a flight plan. He then chooses a route far out over the open ocean in a single-engine aircraft which has no life raft or flotation vests. End result: airframe destroyed and sunk, three fatalities. Conclusion: it’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. Why, if we reject the conclusion that *objects* are to be blamed for "tragedies" of this type, then the entire philosophical foundation of the hoplophobic gun control agenda, to which JFKJ’s kin and party have made so many contributions, is nullified and collapses in flames. It’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. Time to legislate! We simply -must- have new laws, rules, restrictions, licenses, bans, tariffs, inspections, tests, prohibitions, litigations, warrantless search and seizure, and long prison terms for violators. Oh, and let’s curtail a round dozen more Constitutional liberties while we’re at it. Black boxes for Cessnas! Ban experimentals, confiscate all homebuilts, issue propeller locks! Worst of all? In some cases, -children- are known to fly in these winged deathtraps along with their families. This, of course, justifies any and all reasonable measures to ensure their safety. We know that Children’s Welfare Comes Above All in our Happy Child-Raising Federal Village. Yes, there may be some sourpuss libertarians out there who assert that what’s at fault here is not an object, but rather a person — one whose reckless, feckless, fundamentally dumb conduct and poor piloting both risked, and cost, three lives. We can safely ignore these naysayers. They probably own guns and are thus obviously extremists who place the liberties and privacies of individuals above the good of Society as a whole. Moreover, they undoubtedly adhere to the old canard that there are variations in competence and ability among persons, in contrast to our modern view that persons are all equally blameless for their actions and that any accident or trauma allegedly caused by a person must be the fault of an object, or a corporation with deep pockets, or post-traumatic stress. It’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. In conclusion, before you jump down my throat for the supposed bad taste of gravedancing, let me point out that if Joe B. Schmuck had taken his Piper and his passengers down for a scenic tour of Davy Jones’ locker, I would have had exactly the same reaction: stupidity is a capital crime, with accelerated sentencing for those who fly. And I cut -zero- extra slack for anyone belonging to what I have repeatedly heard described as "America’s royal family" in the last few days. (Hey, people, America exists in its present form because the Founding Fathers were sick of arrogant, overbearing, inbred royal families running things, remember?) But the current wave of hysterical emotionalism related to this self-described "tragedy" sickens me to the very core, as does the likelihood that those of us who aren’t stupid or reckless will no doubt wear an even heavier and costlier and more intrusive regulatory yoke around our necks as a result of it. Feh. Ron H Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Baskett Case’s comment raises the question, how did someone with shit for brains learn to use a keyboard? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Congratulations, you’re a real son-of-a-bitch. — forwarded from a friend — Wea-hl, now that JFK Junior has earned himself a richly deserved Darwin Award, with double innocent passenger clusters, it is to be expected that your friendly statist legislators, Republicrat and Democrican alike, will be leaping to their feet to introduce hundreds of new laws and restrictions on general aviation. Bill and Hillary will triumphantly shake hands with Congressional leaders of both parties as the bills are signed into law. Let’s recap: JFKJ buys himself a complex, high performance aircraft not long after finishing his visual-flight-only certification. He has limited time in type and has recently broken his foot, which prevents him from operating the pedal controls properly. His wife (who has in the past refused to fly with him) is persuaded to join him, along with a friend. Although there is heavy haze in the air, enough to badly impair visibility in full daylight, and although a number of other pilots are opting not to fly, he takes off into a night of near-total darkness without bothering to file a flight plan. He then chooses a route far out over the open ocean in a single-engine aircraft which has no life raft or flotation vests. End result: airframe destroyed and sunk, three fatalities. Conclusion: it’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. Why, if we reject the conclusion that *objects* are to be blamed for "tragedies" of this type, then the entire philosophical foundation of the hoplophobic gun control agenda, to which JFKJ’s kin and party have made so many contributions, is nullified and collapses in flames. It’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. Time to legislate! We simply -must- have new laws, rules, restrictions, licenses, bans, tariffs, inspections, tests, prohibitions, litigations, warrantless search and seizure, and long prison terms for violators. Oh, and let’s curtail a round dozen more Constitutional liberties while we’re at it. Black boxes for Cessnas! Ban experimentals, confiscate all homebuilts, issue propeller locks! Worst of all? In some cases, -children- are known to fly in these winged deathtraps along with their families. This, of course, justifies any and all reasonable measures to ensure their safety. We know that Children’s Welfare Comes Above All in our Happy Child-Raising Federal Village. Yes, there may be some sourpuss libertarians out there who assert that what’s at fault here is not an object, but rather a person — one whose reckless, feckless, fundamentally dumb conduct and poor piloting both risked, and cost, three lives. We can safely ignore these naysayers. They probably own guns and are thus obviously extremists who place the liberties and privacies of individuals above the good of Society as a whole. Moreover, they undoubtedly adhere to the old canard that there are variations in competence and ability among persons, in contrast to our modern view that persons are all equally blameless for their actions and that any accident or trauma allegedly caused by a person must be the fault of an object, or a corporation with deep pockets, or post-traumatic stress. It’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. In conclusion, before you jump down my throat for the supposed bad taste of gravedancing, let me point out that if Joe B. Schmuck had taken his Piper and his passengers down for a scenic tour of Davy Jones’ locker, I would have had exactly the same reaction: stupidity is a capital crime, with accelerated sentencing for those who fly. And I cut -zero- extra slack for anyone belonging to what I have repeatedly heard described as "America’s royal family" in the last few days. (Hey, people, America exists in its present form because the Founding Fathers were sick of arrogant, overbearing, inbred royal families running things, remember?) But the current wave of hysterical emotionalism related to this self-described "tragedy" sickens me to the very core, as does the likelihood that those of us who aren’t stupid or reckless will no doubt wear an even heavier and costlier and more intrusive regulatory yoke around our necks as a result of it. Feh. Ron H Share what you know. Learn what you don’t. — "Hell, I don’t live in Texas. I live in Austin." – Jerry Jeff Walker
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Well said!!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — forwarded from a friend — Wea-hl, now that JFK Junior has earned himself a richly deserved Darwin Award, with double innocent passenger clusters, it is to be expected that your friendly statist legislators, Republicrat and Democrican alike, will be leaping to their feet to introduce hundreds of new laws and restrictions on general aviation. Bill and Hillary will triumphantly shake hands with Congressional leaders of both parties as the bills are signed into law. Let’s recap: JFKJ buys himself a complex, high performance aircraft not long after finishing his visual-flight-only certification. He has limited time in type and has recently broken his foot, which prevents him from operating the pedal controls properly. His wife (who has in the past refused to fly with him) is persuaded to join him, along with a friend. Although there is heavy haze in the air, enough to badly impair visibility in full daylight, and although a number of other pilots are opting not to fly, he takes off into a night of near-total darkness without bothering to file a flight plan. He then chooses a route far out over the open ocean in a single-engine aircraft which has no life raft or flotation vests. End result: airframe destroyed and sunk, three fatalities. Conclusion: it’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. Why, if we reject the conclusion that *objects* are to be blamed for "tragedies" of this type, then the entire philosophical foundation of the hoplophobic gun control agenda, to which JFKJ’s kin and party have made so many contributions, is nullified and collapses in flames. It’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. Time to legislate! We simply -must- have new laws, rules, restrictions, licenses, bans, tariffs, inspections, tests, prohibitions, litigations, warrantless search and seizure, and long prison terms for violators. Oh, and let’s curtail a round dozen more Constitutional liberties while we’re at it. Black boxes for Cessnas! Ban experimentals, confiscate all homebuilts, issue propeller locks! Worst of all? In some cases, -children- are known to fly in these winged deathtraps along with their families. This, of course, justifies any and all reasonable measures to ensure their safety. We know that Children’s Welfare Comes Above All in our Happy Child-Raising Federal Village. Yes, there may be some sourpuss libertarians out there who assert that what’s at fault here is not an object, but rather a person — one whose reckless, feckless, fundamentally dumb conduct and poor piloting both risked, and cost, three lives. We can safely ignore these naysayers. They probably own guns and are thus obviously extremists who place the liberties and privacies of individuals above the good of Society as a whole. Moreover, they undoubtedly adhere to the old canard that there are variations in competence and ability among persons, in contrast to our modern view that persons are all equally blameless for their actions and that any accident or trauma allegedly caused by a person must be the fault of an object, or a corporation with deep pockets, or post-traumatic stress. It’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. In conclusion, before you jump down my throat for the supposed bad taste of gravedancing, let me point out that if Joe B. Schmuck had taken his Piper and his passengers down for a scenic tour of Davy Jones’ locker, I would have had exactly the same reaction: stupidity is a capital crime, with accelerated sentencing for those who fly. And I cut -zero- extra slack for anyone belonging to what I have repeatedly heard described as "America’s royal family" in the last few days. (Hey, people, America exists in its present form because the Founding Fathers were sick of arrogant, overbearing, inbred royal families running things, remember?) But the current wave of hysterical emotionalism related to this self-described "tragedy" sickens me to the very core, as does the likelihood that those of us who aren’t stupid or reckless will no doubt wear an even heavier and costlier and more intrusive regulatory yoke around our necks as a result of it. Feh. Ron H Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Response:
Insensitive as it is, Ron H. is probably right about the mindset of the press and politicians. It is far easier for them to believe that an object or "the system" is to blame rather than admit that their golden boy had a character flaw. This could cost us dearly, or we can possibly turn it to our advantage. We should point out whenever we can that were it not for excessive regulation newer, safer aircraft and avionics would be less expensive and would make their way into the GA fleet much faster. Examples we could cite are that composites have been available in the homebuilts for a long time but are just making their way into the certified fleet due to FAA approval delays and that the unregulated handheld GPS units are generally morre adnvanced and user friendly than the FAA regulated panel mounts. Our stance should always be that too much regulation has unintended consequences that impede safety rather than enhance it. Don Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS PP-ASEL Chesapeake, VA – CPK
Response:
Dan Blather, quoting former astronaut John Glenn, has stated that nobody should fly a plane with a single engine. Further, he stated that there should be two pilots in each plane. I hasten to point out that Ron, in his message below, has already formed conclusions about the cause of the JFK Jr. crash, conclusions which the NTSB says will take that agency six to nine months to form. Pretty good. To be fair, though, Blather has jumped to conclusions of his own…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — forwarded from a friend — Wea-hl, now that JFK Junior has earned himself a richly deserved Darwin Award, with double innocent passenger clusters, it is to be expected that your friendly statist legislators, Republicrat and Democrican alike, will be leaping to their feet to introduce hundreds of new laws and restrictions on general aviation.
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If you review accident statistics one thing is VERY apparant: Multi engined aircraft a SEVERAL times more dangerous than single engine planes. Dan Blather is a fuckin idiot, proved a thousand times in his own words. Regards, John A.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dan Blather, quoting former astronaut John Glenn, has stated that nobody should fly a plane with a single engine. Further, he stated that there should be two pilots in each plane. I hasten to point out that Ron, in his message below, has already formed conclusions about the cause of the JFK Jr. crash, conclusions which the NTSB says will take that agency six to nine months to form. Pretty good. To be fair, though, Blather has jumped to conclusions of his own… — forwarded from a friend — Wea-hl, now that JFK Junior has earned himself a richly deserved Darwin Award, with double innocent passenger clusters, it is to be expected that your friendly statist legislators, Republicrat and Democrican alike, will be leaping to their feet to introduce hundreds of new laws and restrictions on general aviation.
Response:
Congratulations, you’re a real son-of-a-bitch. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — forwarded from a friend — Wea-hl, now that JFK Junior has earned himself a richly deserved Darwin Award, with double innocent passenger clusters, it is to be expected that your friendly statist legislators, Republicrat and Democrican alike, will be leaping to their feet to introduce hundreds of new laws and restrictions on general aviation. Bill and Hillary will triumphantly shake hands with Congressional leaders of both parties as the bills are signed into law. Let’s recap: JFKJ buys himself a complex, high performance aircraft not long after finishing his visual-flight-only certification. He has limited time in type and has recently broken his foot, which prevents him from operating the pedal controls properly. His wife (who has in the past refused to fly with him) is persuaded to join him, along with a friend. Although there is heavy haze in the air, enough to badly impair visibility in full daylight, and although a number of other pilots are opting not to fly, he takes off into a night of near-total darkness without bothering to file a flight plan. He then chooses a route far out over the open ocean in a single-engine aircraft which has no life raft or flotation vests. End result: airframe destroyed and sunk, three fatalities. Conclusion: it’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. Why, if we reject the conclusion that *objects* are to be blamed for "tragedies" of this type, then the entire philosophical foundation of the hoplophobic gun control agenda, to which JFKJ’s kin and party have made so many contributions, is nullified and collapses in flames. It’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. Time to legislate! We simply -must- have new laws, rules, restrictions, licenses, bans, tariffs, inspections, tests, prohibitions, litigations, warrantless search and seizure, and long prison terms for violators. Oh, and let’s curtail a round dozen more Constitutional liberties while we’re at it. Black boxes for Cessnas! Ban experimentals, confiscate all homebuilts, issue propeller locks! Worst of all? In some cases, -children- are known to fly in these winged deathtraps along with their families. This, of course, justifies any and all reasonable measures to ensure their safety. We know that Children’s Welfare Comes Above All in our Happy Child-Raising Federal Village. Yes, there may be some sourpuss libertarians out there who assert that what’s at fault here is not an object, but rather a person — one whose reckless, feckless, fundamentally dumb conduct and poor piloting both risked, and cost, three lives. We can safely ignore these naysayers. They probably own guns and are thus obviously extremists who place the liberties and privacies of individuals above the good of Society as a whole. Moreover, they undoubtedly adhere to the old canard that there are variations in competence and ability among persons, in contrast to our modern view that persons are all equally blameless for their actions and that any accident or trauma allegedly caused by a person must be the fault of an object, or a corporation with deep pockets, or post-traumatic stress. It’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. In conclusion, before you jump down my throat for the supposed bad taste of gravedancing, let me point out that if Joe B. Schmuck had taken his Piper and his passengers down for a scenic tour of Davy Jones’ locker, I would have had exactly the same reaction: stupidity is a capital crime, with accelerated sentencing for those who fly. And I cut -zero- extra slack for anyone belonging to what I have repeatedly heard described as "America’s royal family" in the last few days. (Hey, people, America exists in its present form because the Founding Fathers were sick of arrogant, overbearing, inbred royal families running things, remember?) But the current wave of hysterical emotionalism related to this self-described "tragedy" sickens me to the very core, as does the likelihood that those of us who aren’t stupid or reckless will no doubt wear an even heavier and costlier and more intrusive regulatory yoke around our necks as a result of it. Feh. Ron H Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
– "Hell, I don’t live in Texas. I live in Austin." – Jerry Jeff Walker
Response:
– forwarded from a friend — Wea-hl, now that JFK Junior has earned himself a richly deserved Darwin Award, with double innocent passenger clusters, it is to be expected that your friendly statist legislators, Republicrat and Democrican alike, will be leaping to their feet to introduce hundreds of new laws and restrictions on general aviation. Bill and Hillary will triumphantly shake hands with Congressional leaders of both parties as the bills are signed into law. Let’s recap: JFKJ buys himself a complex, high performance aircraft not long after finishing his visual-flight-only certification. He has limited time in type and has recently broken his foot, which prevents him from operating the pedal controls properly. His wife (who has in the past refused to fly with him) is persuaded to join him, along with a friend. Although there is heavy haze in the air, enough to badly impair visibility in full daylight, and although a number of other pilots are opting not to fly, he takes off into a night of near-total darkness without bothering to file a flight plan. He then chooses a route far out over the open ocean in a single-engine aircraft which has no life raft or flotation vests. End result: airframe destroyed and sunk, three fatalities. Conclusion: it’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. Why, if we reject the conclusion that *objects* are to be blamed for "tragedies" of this type, then the entire philosophical foundation of the hoplophobic gun control agenda, to which JFKJ’s kin and party have made so many contributions, is nullified and collapses in flames. It’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. Time to legislate! We simply -must- have new laws, rules, restrictions, licenses, bans, tariffs, inspections, tests, prohibitions, litigations, warrantless search and seizure, and long prison terms for violators. Oh, and let’s curtail a round dozen more Constitutional liberties while we’re at it. Black boxes for Cessnas! Ban experimentals, confiscate all homebuilts, issue propeller locks! Worst of all? In some cases, -children- are known to fly in these winged deathtraps along with their families. This, of course, justifies any and all reasonable measures to ensure their safety. We know that Children’s Welfare Comes Above All in our Happy Child-Raising Federal Village. Yes, there may be some sourpuss libertarians out there who assert that what’s at fault here is not an object, but rather a person — one whose reckless, feckless, fundamentally dumb conduct and poor piloting both risked, and cost, three lives. We can safely ignore these naysayers. They probably own guns and are thus obviously extremists who place the liberties and privacies of individuals above the good of Society as a whole. Moreover, they undoubtedly adhere to the old canard that there are variations in competence and ability among persons, in contrast to our modern view that persons are all equally blameless for their actions and that any accident or trauma allegedly caused by a person must be the fault of an object, or a corporation with deep pockets, or post-traumatic stress. It’s the plane. Has to be the plane’s fault. In conclusion, before you jump down my throat for the supposed bad taste of gravedancing, let me point out that if Joe B. Schmuck had taken his Piper and his passengers down for a scenic tour of Davy Jones’ locker, I would have had exactly the same reaction: stupidity is a capital crime, with accelerated sentencing for those who fly. And I cut -zero- extra slack for anyone belonging to what I have repeatedly heard described as "America’s royal family" in the last few days. (Hey, people, America exists in its present form because the Founding Fathers were sick of arrogant, overbearing, inbred royal families running things, remember?) But the current wave of hysterical emotionalism related to this self-described "tragedy" sickens me to the very core, as does the likelihood that those of us who aren’t stupid or reckless will no doubt wear an even heavier and costlier and more intrusive regulatory yoke around our necks as a result of it. Feh. Ron H Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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