Question:
They are most certainly NOT human beings like me. I too was abused as a child & I would never hurt an animal in this way. I am really tired of having one set of rules for people who were abused as children and one set for the others. — Mary Lee, Molly, Luigi & Bowser http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4891/ ICQ UIN # 3019981 Cooncat98 on PowWow & AOL Instant Messenger
Response:
You know what the frustrating thing is…….we are posting in this NG to people who, in general, have ……similar mindsets….where these matters are concerned! It’s good and proper to call our attention to the issue at this NG since the animals were the victims, but we need to make our views clear to those who do not see animals as anything special, and to those who maybe are not quite clear on how they feel about it yet! This also, develops ones communication skills, and strengthens us for the tougher battles! A Challenge: Post the story at talk.politics.animals as well! B.J.(Billie Jean the ‘possum queen) Kunkel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the fate of the kitten Dunkin with horror and revulsion. I do not know what the legal system will do with these boys but no matter what the punishment it will not really address or correct the sickness of the act these boys perpetrated.. I don’t care how old these boys are, what their backgrounds, what their socio-economic status. No sane individual sets an animal on fire. Their age is no excuse. These are seriously disturbed boys and I for one do not believe they should be set free upon an unsuspecting society again. By legal definition they are sane.99.999% of the population is because it is the rare individual indeed that does not know it is wrong to set a living creature on fire and that is what the courts require in order to declare a person insane ie: that they do not comprehend their act is wrong. To wantonly torture and murder any living creature is insane. It is well known many serial killers start out with animals. I don’t know if the law provides for youths who have shown such a propensity for cruelty but when and if a jury has to decide their fate I think they should ask themselves the following questions. Did the kitten suffer any less than a human would? Was this kittens pain and terror any less than a human’s would have been? Who gave these cretins the right to take an innocent, trusting animals life? A person who does not respect an animal can not respect a human. These "Boys" make me want to throw up. Very well said, Susan. Nothing makes me angrier than acts of wanton cruelty, and few things make me angrier than those idiots out there who try to belittle the serious nature of such crimes by saying "it was just a [cat, dog, etc.]." The animal’s pain and suffering are no different than a human victim’s would be, and the sadistic cruelty of the perpetrators is just as depraved, irrespective of the species of the victim. Tougher punishments for such acts are an absolute necessity. The slap-on-the-wrist that many jurisdictions dole out to animal abusers sends a very weak message, and that weakness is dangerous. Emboldened by the fact that he can commit a horrible act and get away with it, many a perpetrator may be encouraged to increase the magnitude of his evil deeds. Law enforcement authorities and our justice system have a duty to stop such budding criminal careers as soon as their germination is apparent, rather than waiting until it is "too late" for some subsequent victim. –Paul
Response:
Dear folks, I just read everybody’s comments on the boys who torture-killed poor little Dunkin. I have to respond. Many of you say "these are not boys, these are DEMONS", or words to that effect, and I sure do empathize with your feelings. . . only the truth is much worse: the truth is that they really ARE boys. By calling them "demons" or deciding that prison-forever is the "solution" to the problem they present, we distance ourselves from the true horror — that they are human beings just like us, only hideously and maybe irreparably warped. How do you think that happens? What does it take to change a little child — whose gift of empathy is instinctive, who instinctively cries when he sees another child cry, who instinctively loves baby animals (and probably identifies with them) — into a junior torturer, who seems to delight in the suffering and anguish of a tiny helpless being who is utterly dependent upon humans for its existence? Everybody agrees that kids who torture animals grow up to be serial torturers/killers of people. Everybody should also know — kids who do this were almost universally brutalized themselves, in infancy and toddlerhood, by the adults upon whom THEY were utterly dependent for their existence. I don’t say this to exonerate the horrible boys who did this obscenity: I say it to indict their parents or guardians, whoever damaged them (or permitted others to damage them) to this point. God forgive us all — if any of us have ever kept silent when we suspected somebody was beating a child; if any of us has ever raised a hand in anger at a kid too young to understand — we could be complicit in producing a monster like the kids who killed little Dunkin. "They’re monsters!" — HAH! We should be so lucky. They’re kids, and grownups like us have made them. Marion – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today’s online Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a article by one of their columnists, Larry Wilkerson, who did an interview with l3 year old Michelle, the main care-giver of Dunkin (who died in Georgia recently after being set on fire by neighbourhood boys). The header is "Hall County girl hoping boys who burned her kitty get help". The url is: http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/ Follow the link called: The GA Crime Files There are further links under: More crime headlines (Here there are 3 earlier articles with the word "kitten" in the headers.) It seems she is suffering post-traumatic stress (insisting the other pet, a black lab, be kept inside the house now.) What do you think of the suggestion they be given community service in a pet shelter?? (The comments allegedly heard being made by these boys are very disturbing.)
Response:
these are not……boys……as anyone thinks of a normal human circumstances with animals….or human animals! Not even worth anything to themselves! B.J.(Billie Jean the ‘possum queen) Kunkel
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the fate of the kitten Dunkin with horror and revulsion. I do not know what the legal system will do with these boys but no matter what the punishment it will not really address or correct the sickness of the act these boys perpetrated.. I don’t care how old these boys are, what their backgrounds, what their socio-economic status. No sane individual sets an animal on fire. Their age is no excuse. These are seriously disturbed boys and I for one do not believe they should be set free upon an unsuspecting society again. By legal definition they are sane.99.999% of the population is because it is the rare individual indeed that does not know it is wrong to set a living creature on fire and that is what the courts require in order to declare a person insane ie: that they do not comprehend their act is wrong. To wantonly torture and murder any living creature is insane. It is well known many serial killers start out with animals. I don’t know if the law provides for youths who have shown such a propensity for cruelty but when and if a jury has to decide their fate I think they should ask themselves the following questions. Did the kitten suffer any less than a human would? Was this kittens pain and terror any less than a human’s would have been? Who gave these cretins the right to take an innocent, trusting animals life? A person who does not respect an animal can not respect a human. These "Boys" make me want to throw up. Susan Baird
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today’s online Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a article by one of their columnists, Larry Wilkerson, who did an interview with l3 year old Michelle, the main care-giver of Dunkin (who died in Georgia recently after being set on fire by neighbourhood boys). The header is "Hall County girl hoping boys who burned her kitty get help". The url is: http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/ Follow the link called: The GA Crime Files There are further links under: More crime headlines (Here there are 3 earlier articles with the word "kitten" in the headers.) It seems she is suffering post-traumatic stress (insisting the other pet, a black lab, be kept inside the house now.) What do you think of the suggestion they be given community service in a pet shelter?? (The comments allegedly heard being made by these boys are very disturbing.)
Response:
Today’s online Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a article by one of their columnists, Larry Wilkerson, who did an interview with l3 year old Michelle, the main care-giver of Dunkin (who died in Georgia recently after being set on fire by neighbourhood boys). The header is "Hall County girl hoping boys who burned her kitty get help". The url is: http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/ Follow the link called: The GA Crime Files There are further links under: More crime headlines (Here there are 3 earlier articles with the word "kitten" in the headers.) It seems she is suffering post-traumatic stress (insisting the other pet, a black lab, be kept inside the house now.) What do you think of the suggestion they be given community service in a pet shelter?? (The comments allegedly heard being made by these boys are very disturbing.)
Response:
No "community service." They should be doused in gasoline and set afire, like they did to the innocent kitten. Only they aren’t as innocent. Sorry if this seems like a rant, but "humans" who harm, injure, torture and/or kill non-human animals for "fun" deserve no less. I am not a tree-hugger and have no objection to hunting (if you’re going to eat the kill); these piesec of effluvia deserve to die a slow death.
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I read the post on the fate of the kitten Dunkin with horror and revulsion. I do not know what the legal system will do with these boys but no matter what the punishment it will not really address or correct the sickness of the act these boys perpetrated.. I don’t care how old these boys are, what their backgrounds, what their socio-economic status. No sane individual sets an animal on fire. Their age is no excuse. These are seriously disturbed boys and I for one do not believe they should be set free upon an unsuspecting society again. By legal definition they are sane.99.999% of the population is because it is the rare individual indeed that does not know it is wrong to set a living creature on fire and that is what the courts require in order to declare a person insane ie: that they do not comprehend their act is wrong. To wantonly torture and murder any living creature is insane. It is well known many serial killers start out with animals. I don’t know if the law provides for youths who have shown such a propensity for cruelty but when and if a jury has to decide their fate I think they should ask themselves the following questions. Did the kitten suffer any less than a human would? Was this kittens pain and terror any less than a human’s would have been? Who gave these cretins the right to take an innocent, trusting animals life? A person who does not respect an animal can not respect a human. These "Boys" make me want to throw up. Susan Baird – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today’s online Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a article by one of their columnists, Larry Wilkerson, who did an interview with l3 year old Michelle, the main care-giver of Dunkin (who died in Georgia recently after being set on fire by neighbourhood boys). The header is "Hall County girl hoping boys who burned her kitty get help". The url is: http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/ Follow the link called: The GA Crime Files There are further links under: More crime headlines (Here there are 3 earlier articles with the word "kitten" in the headers.) It seems she is suffering post-traumatic stress (insisting the other pet, a black lab, be kept inside the house now.) What do you think of the suggestion they be given community service in a pet shelter?? (The comments allegedly heard being made by these boys are very disturbing.)
Response:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the fate of the kitten Dunkin with horror and revulsion. I do not know what the legal system will do with these boys but no matter what the punishment it will not really address or correct the sickness of the act these boys perpetrated.. I don’t care how old these boys are, what their backgrounds, what their socio-economic status. No sane individual sets an animal on fire. Their age is no excuse. These are seriously disturbed boys and I for one do not believe they should be set free upon an unsuspecting society again. By legal definition they are sane.99.999% of the population is because it is the rare individual indeed that does not know it is wrong to set a living creature on fire and that is what the courts require in order to declare a person insane ie: that they do not comprehend their act is wrong. To wantonly torture and murder any living creature is insane. It is well known many serial killers start out with animals. I don’t know if the law provides for youths who have shown such a propensity for cruelty but when and if a jury has to decide their fate I think they should ask themselves the following questions. Did the kitten suffer any less than a human would? Was this kittens pain and terror any less than a human’s would have been? Who gave these cretins the right to take an innocent, trusting animals life? A person who does not respect an animal can not respect a human. These "Boys" make me want to throw up.
Very well said, Susan. Nothing makes me angrier than acts of wanton cruelty, and few things make me angrier than those idiots out there who try to belittle the serious nature of such crimes by saying "it was just a [cat, dog, etc.]." The animal’s pain and suffering are no different than a human victim’s would be, and the sadistic cruelty of the perpetrators is just as depraved, irrespective of the species of the victim. Tougher punishments for such acts are an absolute necessity. The slap-on-the-wrist that many jurisdictions dole out to animal abusers sends a very weak message, and that weakness is dangerous. Emboldened by the fact that he can commit a horrible act and get away with it, many a perpetrator may be encouraged to increase the magnitude of his evil deeds. Law enforcement authorities and our justice system have a duty to stop such budding criminal careers as soon as their germination is apparent, rather than waiting until it is "too late" for some subsequent victim. –Paul
Response:
They are most certainly NOT human beings like me. I too was abused as a child & I would never hurt an animal in this way. I am really tired of having one set of rules for people who were abused as children and one set for the others. — Mary Lee, Molly, Luigi & Bowser http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4891/ ICQ UIN # 3019981 Cooncat98 on PowWow & AOL Instant Messenger
Response:
You know what the frustrating thing is…….we are posting in this NG to people who, in general, have ……similar mindsets….where these matters are concerned! It’s good and proper to call our attention to the issue at this NG since the animals were the victims, but we need to make our views clear to those who do not see animals as anything special, and to those who maybe are not quite clear on how they feel about it yet! This also, develops ones communication skills, and strengthens us for the tougher battles! A Challenge: Post the story at talk.politics.animals as well! B.J.(Billie Jean the ‘possum queen) Kunkel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the fate of the kitten Dunkin with horror and revulsion. I do not know what the legal system will do with these boys but no matter what the punishment it will not really address or correct the sickness of the act these boys perpetrated.. I don’t care how old these boys are, what their backgrounds, what their socio-economic status. No sane individual sets an animal on fire. Their age is no excuse. These are seriously disturbed boys and I for one do not believe they should be set free upon an unsuspecting society again. By legal definition they are sane.99.999% of the population is because it is the rare individual indeed that does not know it is wrong to set a living creature on fire and that is what the courts require in order to declare a person insane ie: that they do not comprehend their act is wrong. To wantonly torture and murder any living creature is insane. It is well known many serial killers start out with animals. I don’t know if the law provides for youths who have shown such a propensity for cruelty but when and if a jury has to decide their fate I think they should ask themselves the following questions. Did the kitten suffer any less than a human would? Was this kittens pain and terror any less than a human’s would have been? Who gave these cretins the right to take an innocent, trusting animals life? A person who does not respect an animal can not respect a human. These "Boys" make me want to throw up. Very well said, Susan. Nothing makes me angrier than acts of wanton cruelty, and few things make me angrier than those idiots out there who try to belittle the serious nature of such crimes by saying "it was just a [cat, dog, etc.]." The animal’s pain and suffering are no different than a human victim’s would be, and the sadistic cruelty of the perpetrators is just as depraved, irrespective of the species of the victim. Tougher punishments for such acts are an absolute necessity. The slap-on-the-wrist that many jurisdictions dole out to animal abusers sends a very weak message, and that weakness is dangerous. Emboldened by the fact that he can commit a horrible act and get away with it, many a perpetrator may be encouraged to increase the magnitude of his evil deeds. Law enforcement authorities and our justice system have a duty to stop such budding criminal careers as soon as their germination is apparent, rather than waiting until it is "too late" for some subsequent victim. –Paul
Response:
Dear folks, I just read everybody’s comments on the boys who torture-killed poor little Dunkin. I have to respond. Many of you say "these are not boys, these are DEMONS", or words to that effect, and I sure do empathize with your feelings. . . only the truth is much worse: the truth is that they really ARE boys. By calling them "demons" or deciding that prison-forever is the "solution" to the problem they present, we distance ourselves from the true horror — that they are human beings just like us, only hideously and maybe irreparably warped. How do you think that happens? What does it take to change a little child — whose gift of empathy is instinctive, who instinctively cries when he sees another child cry, who instinctively loves baby animals (and probably identifies with them) — into a junior torturer, who seems to delight in the suffering and anguish of a tiny helpless being who is utterly dependent upon humans for its existence? Everybody agrees that kids who torture animals grow up to be serial torturers/killers of people. Everybody should also know — kids who do this were almost universally brutalized themselves, in infancy and toddlerhood, by the adults upon whom THEY were utterly dependent for their existence. I don’t say this to exonerate the horrible boys who did this obscenity: I say it to indict their parents or guardians, whoever damaged them (or permitted others to damage them) to this point. God forgive us all — if any of us have ever kept silent when we suspected somebody was beating a child; if any of us has ever raised a hand in anger at a kid too young to understand — we could be complicit in producing a monster like the kids who killed little Dunkin. "They’re monsters!" — HAH! We should be so lucky. They’re kids, and grownups like us have made them. Marion – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today’s online Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a article by one of their columnists, Larry Wilkerson, who did an interview with l3 year old Michelle, the main care-giver of Dunkin (who died in Georgia recently after being set on fire by neighbourhood boys). The header is "Hall County girl hoping boys who burned her kitty get help". The url is: http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/ Follow the link called: The GA Crime Files There are further links under: More crime headlines (Here there are 3 earlier articles with the word "kitten" in the headers.) It seems she is suffering post-traumatic stress (insisting the other pet, a black lab, be kept inside the house now.) What do you think of the suggestion they be given community service in a pet shelter?? (The comments allegedly heard being made by these boys are very disturbing.)
Response:
these are not……boys……as anyone thinks of a normal human circumstances with animals….or human animals! Not even worth anything to themselves! B.J.(Billie Jean the ‘possum queen) Kunkel
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the fate of the kitten Dunkin with horror and revulsion. I do not know what the legal system will do with these boys but no matter what the punishment it will not really address or correct the sickness of the act these boys perpetrated.. I don’t care how old these boys are, what their backgrounds, what their socio-economic status. No sane individual sets an animal on fire. Their age is no excuse. These are seriously disturbed boys and I for one do not believe they should be set free upon an unsuspecting society again. By legal definition they are sane.99.999% of the population is because it is the rare individual indeed that does not know it is wrong to set a living creature on fire and that is what the courts require in order to declare a person insane ie: that they do not comprehend their act is wrong. To wantonly torture and murder any living creature is insane. It is well known many serial killers start out with animals. I don’t know if the law provides for youths who have shown such a propensity for cruelty but when and if a jury has to decide their fate I think they should ask themselves the following questions. Did the kitten suffer any less than a human would? Was this kittens pain and terror any less than a human’s would have been? Who gave these cretins the right to take an innocent, trusting animals life? A person who does not respect an animal can not respect a human. These "Boys" make me want to throw up. Susan Baird
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today’s online Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a article by one of their columnists, Larry Wilkerson, who did an interview with l3 year old Michelle, the main care-giver of Dunkin (who died in Georgia recently after being set on fire by neighbourhood boys). The header is "Hall County girl hoping boys who burned her kitty get help". The url is: http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/ Follow the link called: The GA Crime Files There are further links under: More crime headlines (Here there are 3 earlier articles with the word "kitten" in the headers.) It seems she is suffering post-traumatic stress (insisting the other pet, a black lab, be kept inside the house now.) What do you think of the suggestion they be given community service in a pet shelter?? (The comments allegedly heard being made by these boys are very disturbing.)
Response:
Today’s online Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a article by one of their columnists, Larry Wilkerson, who did an interview with l3 year old Michelle, the main care-giver of Dunkin (who died in Georgia recently after being set on fire by neighbourhood boys). The header is "Hall County girl hoping boys who burned her kitty get help". The url is: http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/ Follow the link called: The GA Crime Files There are further links under: More crime headlines (Here there are 3 earlier articles with the word "kitten" in the headers.) It seems she is suffering post-traumatic stress (insisting the other pet, a black lab, be kept inside the house now.) What do you think of the suggestion they be given community service in a pet shelter?? (The comments allegedly heard being made by these boys are very disturbing.)
Response:
No "community service." They should be doused in gasoline and set afire, like they did to the innocent kitten. Only they aren’t as innocent. Sorry if this seems like a rant, but "humans" who harm, injure, torture and/or kill non-human animals for "fun" deserve no less. I am not a tree-hugger and have no objection to hunting (if you’re going to eat the kill); these piesec of effluvia deserve to die a slow death.
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I read the post on the fate of the kitten Dunkin with horror and revulsion. I do not know what the legal system will do with these boys but no matter what the punishment it will not really address or correct the sickness of the act these boys perpetrated.. I don’t care how old these boys are, what their backgrounds, what their socio-economic status. No sane individual sets an animal on fire. Their age is no excuse. These are seriously disturbed boys and I for one do not believe they should be set free upon an unsuspecting society again. By legal definition they are sane.99.999% of the population is because it is the rare individual indeed that does not know it is wrong to set a living creature on fire and that is what the courts require in order to declare a person insane ie: that they do not comprehend their act is wrong. To wantonly torture and murder any living creature is insane. It is well known many serial killers start out with animals. I don’t know if the law provides for youths who have shown such a propensity for cruelty but when and if a jury has to decide their fate I think they should ask themselves the following questions. Did the kitten suffer any less than a human would? Was this kittens pain and terror any less than a human’s would have been? Who gave these cretins the right to take an innocent, trusting animals life? A person who does not respect an animal can not respect a human. These "Boys" make me want to throw up. Susan Baird – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today’s online Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a article by one of their columnists, Larry Wilkerson, who did an interview with l3 year old Michelle, the main care-giver of Dunkin (who died in Georgia recently after being set on fire by neighbourhood boys). The header is "Hall County girl hoping boys who burned her kitty get help". The url is: http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/ Follow the link called: The GA Crime Files There are further links under: More crime headlines (Here there are 3 earlier articles with the word "kitten" in the headers.) It seems she is suffering post-traumatic stress (insisting the other pet, a black lab, be kept inside the house now.) What do you think of the suggestion they be given community service in a pet shelter?? (The comments allegedly heard being made by these boys are very disturbing.)
Response:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the fate of the kitten Dunkin with horror and revulsion. I do not know what the legal system will do with these boys but no matter what the punishment it will not really address or correct the sickness of the act these boys perpetrated.. I don’t care how old these boys are, what their backgrounds, what their socio-economic status. No sane individual sets an animal on fire. Their age is no excuse. These are seriously disturbed boys and I for one do not believe they should be set free upon an unsuspecting society again. By legal definition they are sane.99.999% of the population is because it is the rare individual indeed that does not know it is wrong to set a living creature on fire and that is what the courts require in order to declare a person insane ie: that they do not comprehend their act is wrong. To wantonly torture and murder any living creature is insane. It is well known many serial killers start out with animals. I don’t know if the law provides for youths who have shown such a propensity for cruelty but when and if a jury has to decide their fate I think they should ask themselves the following questions. Did the kitten suffer any less than a human would? Was this kittens pain and terror any less than a human’s would have been? Who gave these cretins the right to take an innocent, trusting animals life? A person who does not respect an animal can not respect a human. These "Boys" make me want to throw up.
Very well said, Susan. Nothing makes me angrier than acts of wanton cruelty, and few things make me angrier than those idiots out there who try to belittle the serious nature of such crimes by saying "it was just a [cat, dog, etc.]." The animal’s pain and suffering are no different than a human victim’s would be, and the sadistic cruelty of the perpetrators is just as depraved, irrespective of the species of the victim. Tougher punishments for such acts are an absolute necessity. The slap-on-the-wrist that many jurisdictions dole out to animal abusers sends a very weak message, and that weakness is dangerous. Emboldened by the fact that he can commit a horrible act and get away with it, many a perpetrator may be encouraged to increase the magnitude of his evil deeds. Law enforcement authorities and our justice system have a duty to stop such budding criminal careers as soon as their germination is apparent, rather than waiting until it is "too late" for some subsequent victim. –Paul
Response:
They are most certainly NOT human beings like me. I too was abused as a child & I would never hurt an animal in this way. I am really tired of having one set of rules for people who were abused as children and one set for the others. — Mary Lee, Molly, Luigi & Bowser http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4891/ ICQ UIN # 3019981 Cooncat98 on PowWow & AOL Instant Messenger
Response:
You know what the frustrating thing is…….we are posting in this NG to people who, in general, have ……similar mindsets….where these matters are concerned! It’s good and proper to call our attention to the issue at this NG since the animals were the victims, but we need to make our views clear to those who do not see animals as anything special, and to those who maybe are not quite clear on how they feel about it yet! This also, develops ones communication skills, and strengthens us for the tougher battles! A Challenge: Post the story at talk.politics.animals as well! B.J.(Billie Jean the ‘possum queen) Kunkel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the fate of the kitten Dunkin with horror and revulsion. I do not know what the legal system will do with these boys but no matter what the punishment it will not really address or correct the sickness of the act these boys perpetrated.. I don’t care how old these boys are, what their backgrounds, what their socio-economic status. No sane individual sets an animal on fire. Their age is no excuse. These are seriously disturbed boys and I for one do not believe they should be set free upon an unsuspecting society again. By legal definition they are sane.99.999% of the population is because it is the rare individual indeed that does not know it is wrong to set a living creature on fire and that is what the courts require in order to declare a person insane ie: that they do not comprehend their act is wrong. To wantonly torture and murder any living creature is insane. It is well known many serial killers start out with animals. I don’t know if the law provides for youths who have shown such a propensity for cruelty but when and if a jury has to decide their fate I think they should ask themselves the following questions. Did the kitten suffer any less than a human would? Was this kittens pain and terror any less than a human’s would have been? Who gave these cretins the right to take an innocent, trusting animals life? A person who does not respect an animal can not respect a human. These "Boys" make me want to throw up. Very well said, Susan. Nothing makes me angrier than acts of wanton cruelty, and few things make me angrier than those idiots out there who try to belittle the serious nature of such crimes by saying "it was just a [cat, dog, etc.]." The animal’s pain and suffering are no different than a human victim’s would be, and the sadistic cruelty of the perpetrators is just as depraved, irrespective of the species of the victim. Tougher punishments for such acts are an absolute necessity. The slap-on-the-wrist that many jurisdictions dole out to animal abusers sends a very weak message, and that weakness is dangerous. Emboldened by the fact that he can commit a horrible act and get away with it, many a perpetrator may be encouraged to increase the magnitude of his evil deeds. Law enforcement authorities and our justice system have a duty to stop such budding criminal careers as soon as their germination is apparent, rather than waiting until it is "too late" for some subsequent victim. –Paul
Response:
Dear folks, I just read everybody’s comments on the boys who torture-killed poor little Dunkin. I have to respond. Many of you say "these are not boys, these are DEMONS", or words to that effect, and I sure do empathize with your feelings. . . only the truth is much worse: the truth is that they really ARE boys. By calling them "demons" or deciding that prison-forever is the "solution" to the problem they present, we distance ourselves from the true horror — that they are human beings just like us, only hideously and maybe irreparably warped. How do you think that happens? What does it take to change a little child — whose gift of empathy is instinctive, who instinctively cries when he sees another child cry, who instinctively loves baby animals (and probably identifies with them) — into a junior torturer, who seems to delight in the suffering and anguish of a tiny helpless being who is utterly dependent upon humans for its existence? Everybody agrees that kids who torture animals grow up to be serial torturers/killers of people. Everybody should also know — kids who do this were almost universally brutalized themselves, in infancy and toddlerhood, by the adults upon whom THEY were utterly dependent for their existence. I don’t say this to exonerate the horrible boys who did this obscenity: I say it to indict their parents or guardians, whoever damaged them (or permitted others to damage them) to this point. God forgive us all — if any of us have ever kept silent when we suspected somebody was beating a child; if any of us has ever raised a hand in anger at a kid too young to understand — we could be complicit in producing a monster like the kids who killed little Dunkin. "They’re monsters!" — HAH! We should be so lucky. They’re kids, and grownups like us have made them. Marion – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today’s online Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a article by one of their columnists, Larry Wilkerson, who did an interview with l3 year old Michelle, the main care-giver of Dunkin (who died in Georgia recently after being set on fire by neighbourhood boys). The header is "Hall County girl hoping boys who burned her kitty get help". The url is: http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/ Follow the link called: The GA Crime Files There are further links under: More crime headlines (Here there are 3 earlier articles with the word "kitten" in the headers.) It seems she is suffering post-traumatic stress (insisting the other pet, a black lab, be kept inside the house now.) What do you think of the suggestion they be given community service in a pet shelter?? (The comments allegedly heard being made by these boys are very disturbing.)
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these are not……boys……as anyone thinks of a normal human circumstances with animals….or human animals! Not even worth anything to themselves! B.J.(Billie Jean the ‘possum queen) Kunkel
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the fate of the kitten Dunkin with horror and revulsion. I do not know what the legal system will do with these boys but no matter what the punishment it will not really address or correct the sickness of the act these boys perpetrated.. I don’t care how old these boys are, what their backgrounds, what their socio-economic status. No sane individual sets an animal on fire. Their age is no excuse. These are seriously disturbed boys and I for one do not believe they should be set free upon an unsuspecting society again. By legal definition they are sane.99.999% of the population is because it is the rare individual indeed that does not know it is wrong to set a living creature on fire and that is what the courts require in order to declare a person insane ie: that they do not comprehend their act is wrong. To wantonly torture and murder any living creature is insane. It is well known many serial killers start out with animals. I don’t know if the law provides for youths who have shown such a propensity for cruelty but when and if a jury has to decide their fate I think they should ask themselves the following questions. Did the kitten suffer any less than a human would? Was this kittens pain and terror any less than a human’s would have been? Who gave these cretins the right to take an innocent, trusting animals life? A person who does not respect an animal can not respect a human. These "Boys" make me want to throw up. Susan Baird
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today’s online Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a article by one of their columnists, Larry Wilkerson, who did an interview with l3 year old Michelle, the main care-giver of Dunkin (who died in Georgia recently after being set on fire by neighbourhood boys). The header is "Hall County girl hoping boys who burned her kitty get help". The url is: http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/ Follow the link called: The GA Crime Files There are further links under: More crime headlines (Here there are 3 earlier articles with the word "kitten" in the headers.) It seems she is suffering post-traumatic stress (insisting the other pet, a black lab, be kept inside the house now.) What do you think of the suggestion they be given community service in a pet shelter?? (The comments allegedly heard being made by these boys are very disturbing.)
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Today’s online Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a article by one of their columnists, Larry Wilkerson, who did an interview with l3 year old Michelle, the main care-giver of Dunkin (who died in Georgia recently after being set on fire by neighbourhood boys). The header is "Hall County girl hoping boys who burned her kitty get help". The url is: http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/ Follow the link called: The GA Crime Files There are further links under: More crime headlines (Here there are 3 earlier articles with the word "kitten" in the headers.) It seems she is suffering post-traumatic stress (insisting the other pet, a black lab, be kept inside the house now.) What do you think of the suggestion they be given community service in a pet shelter?? (The comments allegedly heard being made by these boys are very disturbing.)
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No "community service." They should be doused in gasoline and set afire, like they did to the innocent kitten. Only they aren’t as innocent. Sorry if this seems like a rant, but "humans" who harm, injure, torture and/or kill non-human animals for "fun" deserve no less. I am not a tree-hugger and have no objection to hunting (if you’re going to eat the kill); these piesec of effluvia deserve to die a slow death.
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I read the post on the fate of the kitten Dunkin with horror and revulsion. I do not know what the legal system will do with these boys but no matter what the punishment it will not really address or correct the sickness of the act these boys perpetrated.. I don’t care how old these boys are, what their backgrounds, what their socio-economic status. No sane individual sets an animal on fire. Their age is no excuse. These are seriously disturbed boys and I for one do not believe they should be set free upon an unsuspecting society again. By legal definition they are sane.99.999% of the population is because it is the rare individual indeed that does not know it is wrong to set a living creature on fire and that is what the courts require in order to declare a person insane ie: that they do not comprehend their act is wrong. To wantonly torture and murder any living creature is insane. It is well known many serial killers start out with animals. I don’t know if the law provides for youths who have shown such a propensity for cruelty but when and if a jury has to decide their fate I think they should ask themselves the following questions. Did the kitten suffer any less than a human would? Was this kittens pain and terror any less than a human’s would have been? Who gave these cretins the right to take an innocent, trusting animals life? A person who does not respect an animal can not respect a human. These "Boys" make me want to throw up. Susan Baird – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Today’s online Atlanta Journal-Constitution has a article by one of their columnists, Larry Wilkerson, who did an interview with l3 year old Michelle, the main care-giver of Dunkin (who died in Georgia recently after being set on fire by neighbourhood boys). The header is "Hall County girl hoping boys who burned her kitty get help". The url is: http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/ Follow the link called: The GA Crime Files There are further links under: More crime headlines (Here there are 3 earlier articles with the word "kitten" in the headers.) It seems she is suffering post-traumatic stress (insisting the other pet, a black lab, be kept inside the house now.) What do you think of the suggestion they be given community service in a pet shelter?? (The comments allegedly heard being made by these boys are very disturbing.)
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read the post on the fate of the kitten Dunkin with horror and revulsion. I do not know what the legal system will do with these boys but no matter what the punishment it will not really address or correct the sickness of the act these boys perpetrated.. I don’t care how old these boys are, what their backgrounds, what their socio-economic status. No sane individual sets an animal on fire. Their age is no excuse. These are seriously disturbed boys and I for one do not believe they should be set free upon an unsuspecting society again. By legal definition they are sane.99.999% of the population is because it is the rare individual indeed that does not know it is wrong to set a living creature on fire and that is what the courts require in order to declare a person insane ie: that they do not comprehend their act is wrong. To wantonly torture and murder any living creature is insane. It is well known many serial killers start out with animals. I don’t know if the law provides for youths who have shown such a propensity for cruelty but when and if a jury has to decide their fate I think they should ask themselves the following questions. Did the kitten suffer any less than a human would? Was this kittens pain and terror any less than a human’s would have been? Who gave these cretins the right to take an innocent, trusting animals life? A person who does not respect an animal can not respect a human. These "Boys" make me want to throw up.
Very well said, Susan. Nothing makes me angrier than acts of wanton cruelty, and few things make me angrier than those idiots out there who try to belittle the serious nature of such crimes by saying "it was just a [cat, dog, etc.]." The animal’s pain and suffering are no different than a human victim’s would be, and the sadistic cruelty of the perpetrators is just as depraved, irrespective of the species of the victim. Tougher punishments for such acts are an absolute necessity. The slap-on-the-wrist that many jurisdictions dole out to animal abusers sends a very weak message, and that weakness is dangerous. Emboldened by the fact that he can commit a horrible act and get away with it, many a perpetrator may be encouraged to increase the magnitude of his evil deeds. Law enforcement authorities and our justice system have a duty to stop such budding criminal careers as soon as their germination is apparent, rather than waiting until it is "too late" for some subsequent victim. –Paul
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