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>There is evidence that the brain may respond to the ravages of multiple >sclerosis (MS) by reorganizing its networks of connections, according to >a report from the American Neurological Association’s 124th annual >meeting, October 10 through 13 in Seattle.
This is the reason my neuro-opthamologist is holding off on surgery as long as possible in the event that reorganization could correct some of the problems by itself, and surgery at this point might result in an overcorrection once we establish how much reorganization takes place, and how much I recover from this latest episode of demyelination. Margaret "You are braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." Christopher Robin to Pooh in "Pooh’s Grand Adventure" to reply directly to me remove nojunk from my email address
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On 20 Dec 1999 13:51:44 GMT, queen…@aol.comnojunk (Margaret) wrote: >>There is evidence that the brain may respond to the ravages of multiple >>sclerosis (MS) by reorganizing its networks of connections, according to >>a report from the American Neurological Association’s 124th annual >>meeting, October 10 through 13 in Seattle. >This is the reason my neuro-opthamologist is holding off on surgery as long as >possible in the event that reorganization could correct some of the problems by >itself, and surgery at this point might result in an overcorrection once we >establish how much reorganization takes place,
Margaret, What surgery is he considering? I’ve never heard of that, and am very interested in the entire neuro-opthalmology question since my eyesight is such a problem now. Kate
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Hi Kip! << There is evidence that the brain may respond to the ravages of multiple sclerosis (MS) by reorganizing its networks of connections >> When I had my first attack 14 years ago, my doctor told me that this "may" happen. I guess it did; I went from not walking at all to walking unassisted in 3 months. Thanks for the article! Sylvia
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sylvia is this why i can never find anything? 
— Take Care ;>) JD *Don’t worry: the answer’s at the back of the book. SYLV77 <syl…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991220102315.05216.00000087@ng-cc1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Kip! > << There is evidence that the brain may respond to the ravages of multiple > sclerosis (MS) by reorganizing its networks of connections >> > When I had my first attack 14 years ago, my doctor told me that this "may" > happen. I guess it did; I went from not walking at all to walking unassisted > in 3 months. > Thanks for the article! > Sylvia
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hi kip i think that early on we can prolly repair damage if we can get the disease process to back off. that’s why really early treatment via ABCR’s is so important. (gets to the heart of the english study) but damage to the hippocampal complex is a bit more problematic. actuall, women doing hormon replacement therapy may be helping themselves to a measure of recovery by increasing estrogen in their systems. in animal studies estrogen stimulates the formation of new "connectors" in the nerves of the hippocampal tissue. i doubt that diet alone would undo the damage. but for some it may as you sggest, get the disease progress slowed to the point where tha healing and rerouting processes overtake the losses. the longer we can stay ahead of that early damage the better. i do suspect strongly that steroids cause far more harm than good. first by displacing glucose in the brain, as well as possibly increasing permiability of the blood brain barrier. they also knock down our defences against any pathogens that may be involved in disease progress. all in all a bad bet. best wishes ed – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Kip King <wodi…@home.com> writes: >Ed, >Thanks. Roger MacDougall believed his program actually repaired MS >damage in the brain. By halting the damage by eliminating foods we are >allergic to, he believed the brain could then repair the damage that had >been done. I don’t think this is quite right. I think that by halting or >at least slowing the damage, our brains have a chance to reroute new >pathways to perform old tasks rather than repairing damage that has >already been done. I understand that our bodies make some steroids on >their own but do you think we can avoid some damage by not taking >steroids for an exacerbation. I’ve never taken steroids and never >will. Kip >ed hill wrote: >> hi kip >> good post. >> i think that one of the reasons for our short term memory, word seeking >> and occasional mood problems aka hippocampal and amigdal damage is that >> these parts of the brain are extremely specialized and actually differ in >> nerve structure from other parts of the brain. that makes it unlikely that >> the functions preformed by these regions can be rerouted. >> on top of whatever damage the disease itself might visit on these areas >> they are also the most likely areas to sustain damage from stress and >> trauma via cortisal secretion. theses areas have the highest density of >> glucocortical steroid receptors. these receptors double as the means by >> which the nerves get nourishment. they bind glucose for the nerves to >> metabolize. when we secrete cortisal or take steroids for an exacerbation >> these receptors are blocked by the GLUCOcortical steroids and no glucos >> gets in to feed the nerves. evantually they starve and the hippocampal >> mass is actually reduced. >> this reduction was first found in vietnam vets suffering post traumatic >> stress. it’s since been found in rape victims and other who’ve lived with >> long term abuse. those with depression can have the same problem, >> again caused by a condition of extreme cortisal sectretion known as >> hypercortisalemia. kids with asthma who take steroid inhalants frequently >> get this problem as well. >> our brains exhibit amazing plasticity in areas of reasoning and higher >> function. but in the hippocampal complex we are sorta screwed. >> i no longer hae copies of the studies on this subject in ascii form >> although i do have quite a few on paper. if you are curious look for >> bessel vandercock(sp) from harvard. he’s been doing good work in PTSD for >> some time. on paper is titled "the body keeps score" and is an excellent >> starter. >> and FYI: it’s my own opinion that hypercortisalemia early in life is >> almost universal in MS. i believe it to be part of a setting of the stage >> for the causal or systemic as opposed to episodic trigger. >> regards >> ed >> Kip King <wodi…@home.com> writes: >> >There is evidence that the brain may respond to the ravages of multiple >> >sclerosis (MS) by reorganizing its networks of connections, according to >> >a report from the American Neurological Association’s 124th annual >> >meeting, October 10 through 13 in Seattle. >> >Researchers from the Institute of Neurology at University College >> >London, presented evidence that the brains of patients who suffered >> >inflammation of the optic nerve, one of the most common sites involved >> >in MS, reorganized so that sensory input from the damaged nerve fibers >> >could still be correctly interpreted, allowing full recovery of vision. >> >Read the full article here … >> >http://www.ifmss.org.uk/Research/BrainReorganizes.htm >> — >> ———————————————————————– >> "The whole business of his life was in the plunder of his gaze…" >> Daniel Halevy on Degas >> | <include>ed’s 3d stuff | http://world.std.com/~ehill | 617-629-4625 |
– ———————————————————————– "The whole business of his life was in the plunder of his gaze…" Daniel Halevy on Degas | <include>ed’s 3d stuff | http://world.std.com/~ehill | 617-629-4625 |
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Ed, Thanks. Roger MacDougall believed his program actually repaired MS damage in the brain. By halting the damage by eliminating foods we are allergic to, he believed the brain could then repair the damage that had been done. I don’t think this is quite right. I think that by halting or at least slowing the damage, our brains have a chance to reroute new pathways to perform old tasks rather than repairing damage that has already been done. I understand that our bodies make some steroids on their own but do you think we can avoid some damage by not taking steroids for an exacerbation. I’ve never taken steroids and never will. Kip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ed hill wrote: > hi kip > good post. > i think that one of the reasons for our short term memory, word seeking > and occasional mood problems aka hippocampal and amigdal damage is that > these parts of the brain are extremely specialized and actually differ in > nerve structure from other parts of the brain. that makes it unlikely that > the functions preformed by these regions can be rerouted. > on top of whatever damage the disease itself might visit on these areas > they are also the most likely areas to sustain damage from stress and > trauma via cortisal secretion. theses areas have the highest density of > glucocortical steroid receptors. these receptors double as the means by > which the nerves get nourishment. they bind glucose for the nerves to > metabolize. when we secrete cortisal or take steroids for an exacerbation > these receptors are blocked by the GLUCOcortical steroids and no glucos > gets in to feed the nerves. evantually they starve and the hippocampal > mass is actually reduced. > this reduction was first found in vietnam vets suffering post traumatic > stress. it’s since been found in rape victims and other who’ve lived with > long term abuse. those with depression can have the same problem, > again caused by a condition of extreme cortisal sectretion known as > hypercortisalemia. kids with asthma who take steroid inhalants frequently > get this problem as well. > our brains exhibit amazing plasticity in areas of reasoning and higher > function. but in the hippocampal complex we are sorta screwed. > i no longer hae copies of the studies on this subject in ascii form > although i do have quite a few on paper. if you are curious look for > bessel vandercock(sp) from harvard. he’s been doing good work in PTSD for > some time. on paper is titled "the body keeps score" and is an excellent > starter. > and FYI: it’s my own opinion that hypercortisalemia early in life is > almost universal in MS. i believe it to be part of a setting of the stage > for the causal or systemic as opposed to episodic trigger. > regards > ed > Kip King <wodi…@home.com> writes: > >There is evidence that the brain may respond to the ravages of multiple > >sclerosis (MS) by reorganizing its networks of connections, according to > >a report from the American Neurological Association’s 124th annual > >meeting, October 10 through 13 in Seattle. > >Researchers from the Institute of Neurology at University College > >London, presented evidence that the brains of patients who suffered > >inflammation of the optic nerve, one of the most common sites involved > >in MS, reorganized so that sensory input from the damaged nerve fibers > >could still be correctly interpreted, allowing full recovery of vision. > >Read the full article here … > >http://www.ifmss.org.uk/Research/BrainReorganizes.htm > — > ———————————————————————– > "The whole business of his life was in the plunder of his gaze…" > Daniel Halevy on Degas > | <include>ed’s 3d stuff | http://world.std.com/~ehill | 617-629-4625 |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:15:28 GMT, Kip King <wodi…@home.com> wrote: >There is evidence that the brain may respond to the ravages of multiple >sclerosis (MS) by reorganizing its networks of connections, according to >a report from the American Neurological Association’s 124th annual >meeting, October 10 through 13 in Seattle.
<snip> >http://www.ifmss.org.uk/Research/BrainReorganizes.htm
Very interesting! Thanks, Kip.
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Hi kate, just a quick note as I am supposed to be packed to leave for vacation and haven’t even started. My particular problem is caused by muscular weakness, so the surgery is to tighten up the muscles. BUT, since the root cause is demyelination we have to wait and see if it will improve over time before something as drastic as surgery is called for. Margaret "You are braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." Christopher Robin to Pooh in "Pooh’s Grand Adventure" to reply directly to me remove nojunk from my email address
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JD — ROTFL!!! Oooh it’s so good to laugh, thanks for that, JD! Ellie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -jdgargoyle <jdanel…@powernetonline.com> wrote: > sylvia > is this why i can never find anything? > — > Take Care ;>) > JD > *Don’t worry: the answer’s at the back of the book. > SYLV77 <syl…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:19991220102315.05216.00000087@ng-cc1.aol.com… > > Hi Kip! > > << There is evidence that the brain may respond to the ravages of multiple > > sclerosis (MS) by reorganizing its networks of connections >>
<snip> — "I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat." — Rebecca West, 1913
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hi kip good post. i think that one of the reasons for our short term memory, word seeking and occasional mood problems aka hippocampal and amigdal damage is that these parts of the brain are extremely specialized and actually differ in nerve structure from other parts of the brain. that makes it unlikely that the functions preformed by these regions can be rerouted. on top of whatever damage the disease itself might visit on these areas they are also the most likely areas to sustain damage from stress and trauma via cortisal secretion. theses areas have the highest density of glucocortical steroid receptors. these receptors double as the means by which the nerves get nourishment. they bind glucose for the nerves to metabolize. when we secrete cortisal or take steroids for an exacerbation these receptors are blocked by the GLUCOcortical steroids and no glucos gets in to feed the nerves. evantually they starve and the hippocampal mass is actually reduced. this reduction was first found in vietnam vets suffering post traumatic stress. it’s since been found in rape victims and other who’ve lived with long term abuse. those with depression can have the same problem, again caused by a condition of extreme cortisal sectretion known as hypercortisalemia. kids with asthma who take steroid inhalants frequently get this problem as well. our brains exhibit amazing plasticity in areas of reasoning and higher function. but in the hippocampal complex we are sorta screwed. i no longer hae copies of the studies on this subject in ascii form although i do have quite a few on paper. if you are curious look for bessel vandercock(sp) from harvard. he’s been doing good work in PTSD for some time. on paper is titled "the body keeps score" and is an excellent starter. and FYI: it’s my own opinion that hypercortisalemia early in life is almost universal in MS. i believe it to be part of a setting of the stage for the causal or systemic as opposed to episodic trigger. regards ed Kip King <wodi…@home.com> writes: >There is evidence that the brain may respond to the ravages of multiple >sclerosis (MS) by reorganizing its networks of connections, according to >a report from the American Neurological Association’s 124th annual >meeting, October 10 through 13 in Seattle. >Researchers from the Institute of Neurology at University College >London, presented evidence that the brains of patients who suffered >inflammation of the optic nerve, one of the most common sites involved >in MS, reorganized so that sensory input from the damaged nerve fibers >could still be correctly interpreted, allowing full recovery of vision. >Read the full article here … >http://www.ifmss.org.uk/Research/BrainReorganizes.htm
– ———————————————————————– "The whole business of his life was in the plunder of his gaze…" Daniel Halevy on Degas | <include>ed’s 3d stuff | http://world.std.com/~ehill | 617-629-4625 |
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Ed, Thanks. Roger MacDougall believed his program actually repaired MS damage in the brain. By halting the damage by eliminating foods we are allergic to, he believed the brain could then repair the damage that had been done. I don’t think this is quite right. I think that by halting or at least slowing the damage, our brains have a chance to reroute new pathways to perform old tasks rather than repairing damage that has already been done. I understand that our bodies make some steroids on their own but do you think we can avoid some damage by not taking steroids for an exacerbation? I’ve never taken steroids and never will. Kip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ed hill wrote: > > hi kip > > good post. > > i think that one of the reasons for our short term memory, word seeking > > and occasional mood problems aka hippocampal and amigdal damage is that > > these parts of the brain are extremely specialized and actually differ in > > nerve structure from other parts of the brain. that makes it unlikely that > > the functions preformed by these regions can be rerouted. > > on top of whatever damage the disease itself might visit on these areas > > they are also the most likely areas to sustain damage from stress and > > trauma via cortisal secretion. theses areas have the highest density of > > glucocortical steroid receptors. these receptors double as the means by > > which the nerves get nourishment. they bind glucose for the nerves to > > metabolize. when we secrete cortisal or take steroids for an exacerbation > > these receptors are blocked by the GLUCOcortical steroids and no glucos > > gets in to feed the nerves. evantually they starve and the hippocampal > > mass is actually reduced. > > this reduction was first found in vietnam vets suffering post traumatic > > stress. it’s since been found in rape victims and other who’ve lived with > > long term abuse. those with depression can have the same problem, > > again caused by a condition of extreme cortisal sectretion known as > > hypercortisalemia. kids with asthma who take steroid inhalants frequently > > get this problem as well. > > our brains exhibit amazing plasticity in areas of reasoning and higher > > function. but in the hippocampal complex we are sorta screwed. > > i no longer hae copies of the studies on this subject in ascii form > > although i do have quite a few on paper. if you are curious look for > > bessel vandercock(sp) from harvard. he’s been doing good work in PTSD for > > some time. on paper is titled "the body keeps score" and is an excellent > > starter. > > and FYI: it’s my own opinion that hypercortisalemia early in life is > > almost universal in MS. i believe it to be part of a setting of the stage > > for the causal or systemic as opposed to episodic trigger. > > regards > > ed > > Kip King <wodi…@home.com> writes: > > >There is evidence that the brain may respond to the ravages of multiple > > >sclerosis (MS) by reorganizing its networks of connections, according to > > >a report from the American Neurological Association’s 124th annual > > >meeting, October 10 through 13 in Seattle. > > >Researchers from the Institute of Neurology at University College > > >London, presented evidence that the brains of patients who suffered > > >inflammation of the optic nerve, one of the most common sites involved > > >in MS, reorganized so that sensory input from the damaged nerve fibers > > >could still be correctly interpreted, allowing full recovery of vision. > > >Read the full article here … > > >http://www.ifmss.org.uk/Research/BrainReorganizes.htm > > — > > ———————————————————————– > > "The whole business of his life was in the plunder of his gaze…" > > Daniel Halevy on Degas > > | <include>ed’s 3d stuff | http://world.std.com/~ehill | 617-629-4625 |
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There is evidence that the brain may respond to the ravages of multiple sclerosis (MS) by reorganizing its networks of connections, according to a report from the American Neurological Association’s 124th annual meeting, October 10 through 13 in Seattle. Researchers from the Institute of Neurology at University College London, presented evidence that the brains of patients who suffered inflammation of the optic nerve, one of the most common sites involved in MS, reorganized so that sensory input from the damaged nerve fibers could still be correctly interpreted, allowing full recovery of vision. Read the full article here … http://www.ifmss.org.uk/Research/BrainReorganizes.htm
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