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Bipolar Disorder has strong familial tendencies, but it is believed now that the genetic component is complex (i.e., no one single major gene). Although there are a few reports in the literature on BPD+TS, there is no good evidence of a connection. In our International Database (1,335 cases now), mood disorder in TS’ers seen in clinics may be more frequent because of its overlap with OCD… relationships are complex. – Roger D. Freeman, M.D., Medical Advisory Board – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Kavindra wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:51:05 -0400, "Gary Walby" <gwa…@gte.net> > wrote: > >Hello Jean! > >What you wrote was very interesting to me. I’ve spent some time looking and > >have found nothing that links BPD with TS in the literature. Apparently, > >I’m not looking in the write place. If you could "beam me over" your > >references, I’d love to look them up. I’ll include my e-mail address at the > >end in case you’d rather send it privately. I realize there has been some > >correlational evidence linking BPD with biology, but nothing very > >conclusive. It still seems to be a compilation of errors in the environment > >with some possible biological predispositions. The mood swings, unstable > >relationships, etc. that hallmark a borderline personality disorder seems > >learned to me. However, I am nothing if not a wide open mind, so please let > >me know those resources. Thank you! > >Gary (gwa…@gte.net) > Borderline Personality Disorder is not genetic. 80% of people with > this condition were verified to have suffered repeated sexual abuse as > children. It is a sort of long-term Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder > that becomes part of the personality structure. > I have known and worked with many Borderlines; not one of them showed > any signs of TS. > >Holstein wrote in message <6nmpog$sm…@supernews.com>… > >>Gary: > >>I disagree on the point that personality disorders are not biologically > >>based. From all the information I have found on BPD, and from my group of > >>parents of BPDer, we have found that our kids exhibited similar symptoms > >>from early childhood, and can trace other similar disorders in the family > >>history. I don’t think TS kids are more prone to BPD, I think that they are > >>similar in some behavior aspects and also, just as having ADHD in the > >family > >>is genetically related to TS, I believe BPD is also. > >>There has been some research showing that a BPD rage shows like a seizure > >on > >>an EEG. > >>Jean > Are you sure you’re not confusing Borderline Personality Disorder with > Bipolar Disorder, also referred to as "BPD?" > I would suspect so. There are *no* children with Borderline > Personality Disorder- the diagnostic criteria precludes this > possibility, because the personality is not fully formed yet. > Bipolar Disorder is not a Personality Disorder (Axis II). It is an > affective (mood) disorder coded on Axis I. There seems to be a > genetic predisposition, but the inheritance patterns exclude the > possibility that a gene is the *cause." > It should also be noted that Bipolar Disorder can often be cured > outright through long-term psychoanalysis, without any medication > being taken.. Not an easy thing to do, and the insurance companies > won’t pay for this approach, which is (IMO) a crime. > Anthony
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On Sun, 5 Jul 1998 23:51:05 -0400, "Gary Walby" <gwa…@gte.net> wrote: >Hello Jean! >What you wrote was very interesting to me. I’ve spent some time looking and >have found nothing that links BPD with TS in the literature. Apparently, >I’m not looking in the write place. If you could "beam me over" your >references, I’d love to look them up. I’ll include my e-mail address at the >end in case you’d rather send it privately. I realize there has been some >correlational evidence linking BPD with biology, but nothing very >conclusive. It still seems to be a compilation of errors in the environment >with some possible biological predispositions. The mood swings, unstable >relationships, etc. that hallmark a borderline personality disorder seems >learned to me. However, I am nothing if not a wide open mind, so please let >me know those resources. Thank you! >Gary (gwa…@gte.net)
Borderline Personality Disorder is not genetic. 80% of people with this condition were verified to have suffered repeated sexual abuse as children. It is a sort of long-term Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder that becomes part of the personality structure. I have known and worked with many Borderlines; not one of them showed any signs of TS. >Holstein wrote in message <6nmpog$sm…@supernews.com>… >>Gary: >>I disagree on the point that personality disorders are not biologically >>based. From all the information I have found on BPD, and from my group of >>parents of BPDer, we have found that our kids exhibited similar symptoms >>from early childhood, and can trace other similar disorders in the family >>history. I don’t think TS kids are more prone to BPD, I think that they are >>similar in some behavior aspects and also, just as having ADHD in the >family >>is genetically related to TS, I believe BPD is also. >>There has been some research showing that a BPD rage shows like a seizure >on >>an EEG. >>Jean
Are you sure you’re not confusing Borderline Personality Disorder with Bipolar Disorder, also referred to as "BPD?" I would suspect so. There are *no* children with Borderline Personality Disorder- the diagnostic criteria precludes this possibility, because the personality is not fully formed yet. Bipolar Disorder is not a Personality Disorder (Axis II). It is an affective (mood) disorder coded on Axis I. There seems to be a genetic predisposition, but the inheritance patterns exclude the possibility that a gene is the *cause." It should also be noted that Bipolar Disorder can often be cured outright through long-term psychoanalysis, without any medication being taken.. Not an easy thing to do, and the insurance companies won’t pay for this approach, which is (IMO) a crime. Anthony
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I am interested in the connection between TS and BPD. Jean
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>I am interested in the connection between TS and BPD. >Jean
When I first started to see a psychiatrist regarding my "strange" symptoms, he gave me a "borderline personality disorder" diagnosis back in 1973. BPD is a cheap copout in many cases for being unable to diagnose the actual underlying disease or disorder. I went to the out patient clinic at Strong Memorial Hospital. Ironically, through the help of Dr Roger Kurlan, this hospital has done considerable work in Tourette research. My neurologist, Dr. Christopher Obrien is a graduate of this hospital.
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Hello Jean! What you wrote was very interesting to me. I’ve spent some time looking and have found nothing that links BPD with TS in the literature. Apparently, I’m not looking in the write place. If you could "beam me over" your references, I’d love to look them up. I’ll include my e-mail address at the end in case you’d rather send it privately. I realize there has been some correlational evidence linking BPD with biology, but nothing very conclusive. It still seems to be a compilation of errors in the environment with some possible biological predispositions. The mood swings, unstable relationships, etc. that hallmark a borderline personality disorder seems learned to me. However, I am nothing if not a wide open mind, so please let me know those resources. Thank you! Gary (gwa…@gte.net) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Holstein wrote in message <6nmpog$sm…@supernews.com>… >Gary: >I disagree on the point that personality disorders are not biologically >based. From all the information I have found on BPD, and from my group of >parents of BPDer, we have found that our kids exhibited similar symptoms >from early childhood, and can trace other similar disorders in the family >history. I don’t think TS kids are more prone to BPD, I think that they are >similar in some behavior aspects and also, just as having ADHD in the family >is genetically related to TS, I believe BPD is also. >There has been some research showing that a BPD rage shows like a seizure on >an EEG. >Jean
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