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I have noticed sometimes I see a whole bunch of responses (re: whatever) and no initial post, and have to read from a response what the person was posting about. But it usually comes through within a day or so. I haven’t seen anything about physical threats here, though. Verbal, also threats to post letters (but that’s kind of "normal" here – seen it happen a few times). Hmm. The way I looked at it it was just a troll with a messiah complex trying to stir up trouble for two people who already had more than enough troubles of their own. Just ignore it and it’ll go away. Lemming
Just goes to show what kind of society we live in, where compassion is ridiculed as a "messiah complex". Who needs that grief? Better not to show compassion than be accused of "insanity", eh? "Strength and Honour" Wulf
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<chuckle Still demonstrating the limits to your intelligence, I see. "Strength and Honour" Wulf
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the information Wulf. All the times he has outed and humiliated me in AS3, I’ve had to leave this group. Under all the humiliation and (snip) I am going to follow up on the information you gave me Wulf. Thanks for helping me. I’m glad there was at least one person here who could, Deb. "Strength and Honour" Wulf The thing is, for me anyway, that this fight is personal in nature and I am unwilling to "take sides". I certainly don’t want to, and won’t. It is uncomfortable. I would like to support both Deb and Larry in their quits. The truth is, I have seen no evidence of Deb’s being threatened in a physical way (I could be wrong – there are an awful lot of messages posted today) The story and "details" of this relationship and all the e-mails and letters are only posted selectively for as3 members to read – usually, it seems, out of extreme anger and pain. AS3 members – well, I should only speak for myself – I can’t form any kind of informed opinion in any way without asking for more info, which I will not do because it is personal. It’s really not my business and Deb knows she can e-mail me if and when she wants to tell me this stuff. AS3 isn’t the forum for this. I’m just saying this to explain that while perhaps it does seem callous for us to sit back and let this unfold, I myself feel fairly helpless. I don’t know what is true and what isn’t, and wouldn’t know what to do in any case. I think the group’s "silence" on this whole issue could be due more to confusion and anger at being placed in a position where we don’t know if we should "do" something – and if so, what – than disregard for Deb’s wellbeing. JMO. LizB
Doing nothing is as much a decision as doing something. Seems to me it isn’t too hard to show compassion for someone whose been persecuted by most people in this group for nothing more than suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder due to a rape, a person who came here seeking support and ends up leaving because she’s threatened with having her real-life address sent out to whatever loons there be on the internet who will do the most damage to her at the bequest of the person threatening her. Didn’t take me more than 2 seconds, and no second thoughts. You may be comortable being an unhelpful bystander while Deb goes through her pain alone. You wouldn’t be the only one. All I can think of is the hope that you and the others all face the same kind of isolation when you most need others to care. I suppose you’ll just have to wait to see how screwed up the next generation is, how thoughtless they are, how uncaring they will be thanks to the precedents you set for them, to realize that your examples will come back to haunt you when you’re most vulnerable: old and feeble and powerless. As for me, I learned quite awhile ago just how uncaring society is becoming, and each generation is even less caring than the previous. Lousy kids make lousy parents, begating even lousier kids who become even lousier parents. Self-interest is a one way street, with each generation ‘improving’ on the examples set by their elders. If you don’t care, the next generation cares even less. And that’s the kind of society most people are creating. While the ‘party’ goes on, and you condone their insensitivity by associating with them, partying with them, and ignoring those who hurt, who will be there when it’s your turn? Why should they bother to care for you when you care so little for others? You can refuse to place yourself in her shoes, refuse to see her pain, refuse to end your associations with those who cause her pain, and justify it any way you wish. The bottom line is: if you refuse to do anything, why expect anyone to do anything for you when you are in need? I might as well be talking to a brick, for all the sense this will make to you. I’m fortunate enough to recall a time when people really -did- care for one another. I’ll pass that onto my children when the time comes. What will you pass on: do nothing and hope you never need anyone for help because you’re going to be left in the cold, just as you’ve left Deb out in the cold? ‘Nice’ lesson to teach your kids. "Strength and Honour" Wulf
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Er… never mind anything I posted here, then. I guess I missed the main part and just came in when the "fallout" was settling down. I only wanted to explain why some of us (rather, myself – as I was here previously when Deb was posting quite a bit) why I am hesitant to defend etc. in this whole argument. I’m leaving this thread now. Goodbye. LizB
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nawww, I was talking about the thread in general. It died last week sometime. =) Bren 9M LizB said so eloquently: I have noticed sometimes I see a whole bunch of responses (re: whatever) and no initial post, and have to read from a response what the person was posting about. But it usually comes through within a day or so. I haven’t seen anything about physical threats here, though. Verbal, also threats to post letters (but that’s kind of "normal" here – seen it happen a few times). Hmm. LizB wow Liz, do YOU need a new newsserver. hehehehe Bren Nine months, 13 hours, 16 minutes and 40 seconds. 4103 cigarettes not smoked, saving $588.82. Life saved: 2 weeks, 5 hours, 55 minutes. Thanks for the information Wulf. All the times he has outed and humiliated me in AS3, I’ve had to leave this group. Under all the humiliation and (snip) I am going to follow up on the information you gave me Wulf. Thanks for helping me. I’m glad there was at least one person here who could, Deb. "Strength and Honour" Wulf The thing is, for me anyway, that this fight is personal in nature and I am unwilling to "take sides". I certainly don’t want to, and won’t. It is uncomfortable. I would like to support both Deb and Larry in their quits. The truth is, I have seen no evidence of Deb’s being threatened in a physical way (I could be wrong – there are an awful lot of messages posted today) The story and "details" of this relationship and all the e-mails and letters are only posted selectively for as3 members to read – usually, it seems, out of extreme anger and pain. AS3 members – well, I should only speak for myself – I can’t form any kind of informed opinion in any way without asking for more info, which I will not do because it is personal. It’s really not my business and Deb knows she can e-mail me if and when she wants to tell me this stuff. AS3 isn’t the forum for this. I’m just saying this to explain that while perhaps it does seem callous for us to sit back and let this unfold, I myself feel fairly helpless. I don’t know what is true and what isn’t, and wouldn’t know what to do in any case. I think the group’s "silence" on this whole issue could be due more to confusion and anger at being placed in a position where we don’t know if we should "do" something – and if so, what – than disregard for Deb’s wellbeing. JMO. LizB Bren
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Nawww, I was talking about the thread in general. It died last week sometime. =) Bren 9M LizB said so eloquently: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have noticed sometimes I see a whole bunch of responses (re: whatever) and no initial post, and have to read from a response what the person was posting about. But it usually comes through within a day or so. I haven’t seen anything about physical threats here, though. Verbal, also threats to post letters (but that’s kind of "normal" here – seen it happen a few times). Hmm. LizB wow Liz, do YOU need a new newsserver. hehehehe Bren Nine months, 13 hours, 16 minutes and 40 seconds. 4103 cigarettes not smoked, saving $588.82. Life saved: 2 weeks, 5 hours, 55 minutes. Thanks for the information Wulf. All the times he has outed and humiliated me in AS3, I’ve had to leave this group. Under all the humiliation and (snip) I am going to follow up on the information you gave me Wulf. Thanks for helping me. I’m glad there was at least one person here who could, Deb. "Strength and Honour" Wulf The thing is, for me anyway, that this fight is personal in nature and I am unwilling to "take sides". I certainly don’t want to, and won’t. It is uncomfortable. I would like to support both Deb and Larry in their quits. The truth is, I have seen no evidence of Deb’s being threatened in a physical way (I could be wrong – there are an awful lot of messages posted today) The story and "details" of this relationship and all the e-mails and letters are only posted selectively for as3 members to read – usually, it seems, out of extreme anger and pain. AS3 members – well, I should only speak for myself – I can’t form any kind of informed opinion in any way without asking for more info, which I will not do because it is personal. It’s really not my business and Deb knows she can e-mail me if and when she wants to tell me this stuff. AS3 isn’t the forum for this. I’m just saying this to explain that while perhaps it does seem callous for us to sit back and let this unfold, I myself feel fairly helpless. I don’t know what is true and what isn’t, and wouldn’t know what to do in any case. I think the group’s "silence" on this whole issue could be due more to confusion and anger at being placed in a position where we don’t know if we should "do" something – and if so, what – than disregard for Deb’s wellbeing. JMO. LizB
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I have noticed sometimes I see a whole bunch of responses (re: whatever) and no initial post, and have to read from a response what the person was posting about. But it usually comes through within a day or so. I haven’t seen anything about physical threats here, though. Verbal, also threats to post letters (but that’s kind of "normal" here – seen it happen a few times). Hmm.
The way I looked at it it was just a troll with a messiah complex trying to stir up trouble for two people who already had more than enough troubles of their own. Just ignore it and it’ll go away. Lemming — Curiosity *may* have killed Schr
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