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thinkanxiety.org – Severe stress can damage a child’s brain, say researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine and Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital. The researchers found that children with post-traumatic stress disorder and high levels of the stress hormone cortisol were likely to experience a decrease in the size of the hippocampus – a brain structure important in memory processing and emotion. Although similar effects have been seen in animal studies, this is the first time the findings have been replicated in children. The researchers focused on kids in extreme situations to better understand how stress affects brain development. "We’re not talking about the stress of doing your homework or fighting with your dad," said Packard Children’s child psychiatrist Victor Carrion, MD. "We’re talking about traumatic stress. These kids feel like they’re stuck in the middle of a street with a truck barreling down at them." Carrion, assistant professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the medical school and director of Stanford’s early life stress research program, and his collaborators speculate that cognitive deficits arising from stress hormones interfere with psychiatric therapy and prolong symptoms. The children in the study were suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, as a result of undergoing physical, emotional or sexual abuse, witnessing violence or experiencing lasting separation and loss. This type of developmental trauma often impairs the child’s ability to reach social, emotional and academic milestones. "We’d really like to understand why some children are more resilient than others, and what the long-term effects of extreme stress are," said Carrion, who is the first author of the research, to be published in the March issue of Pediatrics. "We know, for example, that these children are at higher risk of developing depression and/or anxiety as adults." …cont. http://www.thinkanxiety.org/article-2996101.htm — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thinkanxiety.org – Severe stress can damage a child’s brain, damage seem sto imply a permanent state of being-this is untrue-certain changes obviously happen, but they can be reversed or at least compensated for with some help-the key is getting the right kind of help say researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine and Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital. The researchers found that children with post-traumatic stress disorder and high levels of the stress hormone cortisol were likely to experience a decrease in the size of the hippocampus – a brain structure important in memory processing and emotion. I am sure there are even more subtle biophysiological changes in many parts of the brain as well as the load the cns responds to-for some a retared cns may result or a numbing and for others a cns that is hyperactive Although similar effects have been seen in animal studies, this is the first time the findings have been replicated in children. How did they get away with traumatizing the children? That’s a joke The researchers focused on kids in extreme situations to better understand how stress affects brain development. "We’re not talking about the stress of doing your homework You should have seen my homework or fighting with your dad," should have seen my dad said Packard Children’s child psychiatrist Victor Carrion, MD. "We’re talking about traumatic stress. These kids feel like they’re stuck in the middle of a street with a truck barreling down at them." you mean a state of ontological anxiety-the stuff we all have here Carrion, assistant professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the medical school and director of Stanford’s early life stress research program, and his collaborators speculate that cognitive deficits arising from stress hormones interfere with psychiatric therapy and prolong symptoms. It is those very cognitive deficits that can be used as compensatroy mechanisms for getting past the nasty conditoned responses ingrained in the brains of these kids and in later life adults The children in the study were suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, as a result of undergoing physical, emotional or sexual abuse, witnessing violence or experiencing lasting separation and loss. This type of developmental trauma often impairs the child’s ability to reach social, emotional and academic milestones. They function as if damaged. "We’d really like to understand why some children are more resilient than others, it is the way they are hardwired and how they use cognitive structure to challenge the way they respond and perceive the world. Much has been written about survivors of great stress like in Nazi Germany or other prisoner of war situations or greately repressed social structures and what the long-term effects of extreme stress are," we show the results said Carrion, who is the first author of the research, to be published in the March issue of Pediatrics. "We know, for example, that these children are at higher risk of developing depression and/or anxiety as adults." …cont. http://www.thinkanxiety.org/article-2996101.htm Fantastic article on the subject in the March 2002 issue of Scientific American magazine, _Scars that Won’t Heal: The Neurobiology of Child Abuse_, by Martin H. Teicher. Worth checking out for anyone with interest in the topic. If anyone is interested in reading it, and can’t access it through their library or other sources, shoot me an E, and I’ll hook you up with it. if you can post a link I would appreciate it tanks Jessica —
LM- It took a bit of digging but I found the info on a psych 101 prof’s website. http://mysite.verizon.net/res0im1v/donettesteelepsychology/id14.html Jessica — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
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thinkanxiety.org – Severe stress can damage a child’s brain,
damage seem sto imply a permanent state of being-this is untrue-certain changes obviously happen, but they can be reversed or at least compensated for with some help-the key is getting the right kind of help say researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine and Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital. The researchers found that children with post-traumatic stress disorder and high levels of the stress hormone cortisol were likely to experience a decrease in the size of the hippocampus – a brain structure important in memory processing and emotion.
I am sure there are even more subtle biophysiological changes in many parts of the brain as well as the load the cns responds to-for some a retared cns may result or a numbing and for others a cns that is hyperactive Although similar effects have been seen in animal studies, this is the first time the findings have been replicated in children.
How did they get away with traumatizing the children? That’s a joke The researchers focused on kids in extreme situations to better understand how stress affects brain development. "We’re not talking about the stress of doing your homework
You should have seen my homework or fighting with your dad,"
should have seen my dad said Packard Children’s child psychiatrist Victor Carrion, MD. "We’re talking about traumatic stress. These kids feel like they’re stuck in the middle of a street with a truck barreling down at them."
you mean a state of ontological anxiety-the stuff we all have here Carrion, assistant professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the medical school and director of Stanford’s early life stress research program, and his collaborators speculate that cognitive deficits arising from stress hormones interfere with psychiatric therapy and prolong symptoms.
It is those very cognitive deficits that can be used as compensatroy mechanisms for getting past the nasty conditoned responses ingrained in the brains of these kids and in later life adults The children in the study were suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, as a result of undergoing physical, emotional or sexual abuse, witnessing violence or experiencing lasting separation and loss. This type of developmental trauma often impairs the child’s ability to reach social, emotional and academic milestones.
They function as if damaged. "We’d really like to understand why some children are more resilient than others,
it is the way they are hardwired and how they use cognitive structure to challenge the way they respond and perceive the world. Much has been written about survivors of great stress like in Nazi Germany or other prisoner of war situations or greately repressed social structures and what the long-term effects of extreme stress are," we show the results said Carrion, who is the first author of the research, to be published in the March issue of Pediatrics. "We know, for example, that these children are at higher risk of developing depression and/or anxiety as adults." …cont. http://www.thinkanxiety.org/article-2996101.htm Fantastic article on the subject in the March 2002 issue of Scientific American magazine, _Scars that Won’t Heal: The Neurobiology of Child Abuse_, by Martin H. Teicher. Worth checking out for anyone with interest in the topic. If anyone is interested in reading it, and can’t access it through their library or other sources, shoot me an E, and I’ll hook you up with it.
if you can post a link I would appreciate it tanks Jessica
– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thinkanxiety.org – Severe stress can damage a child’s brain, damage seem sto imply a permanent state of being-this is untrue-certain changes obviously happen, but they can be reversed or at least compensated for with some help-the key is getting the right kind of help say researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine and Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital. The researchers found that children with post-traumatic stress disorder and high levels of the stress hormone cortisol were likely to experience a decrease in the size of the hippocampus – a brain structure important in memory processing and emotion. I am sure there are even more subtle biophysiological changes in many parts of the brain as well as the load the cns responds to-for some a retared cns may result or a numbing and for others a cns that is hyperactive Although similar effects have been seen in animal studies, this is the first time the findings have been replicated in children. How did they get away with traumatizing the children? That’s a joke The researchers focused on kids in extreme situations to better understand how stress affects brain development. "We’re not talking about the stress of doing your homework You should have seen my homework or fighting with your dad," should have seen my dad said Packard Children’s child psychiatrist Victor Carrion, MD. "We’re talking about traumatic stress. These kids feel like they’re stuck in the middle of a street with a truck barreling down at them." you mean a state of ontological anxiety-the stuff we all have here Carrion, assistant professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the medical school and director of Stanford’s early life stress research program, and his collaborators speculate that cognitive deficits arising from stress hormones interfere with psychiatric therapy and prolong symptoms. It is those very cognitive deficits that can be used as compensatroy mechanisms for getting past the nasty conditoned responses ingrained in the brains of these kids and in later life adults The children in the study were suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, as a result of undergoing physical, emotional or sexual abuse, witnessing violence or experiencing lasting separation and loss. This type of developmental trauma often impairs the child’s ability to reach social, emotional and academic milestones. They function as if damaged. "We’d really like to understand why some children are more resilient than others, it is the way they are hardwired and how they use cognitive structure to challenge the way they respond and perceive the world. Much has been written about survivors of great stress like in Nazi Germany or other prisoner of war situations or greately repressed social structures and what the long-term effects of extreme stress are," we show the results said Carrion, who is the first author of the research, to be published in the March issue of Pediatrics. "We know, for example, that these children are at higher risk of developing depression and/or anxiety as adults." …cont. http://www.thinkanxiety.org/article-2996101.htm Fantastic article on the subject in the March 2002 issue of Scientific American magazine, _Scars that Won’t Heal: The Neurobiology of Child Abuse_, by Martin H. Teicher. Worth checking out for anyone with interest in the topic. If anyone is interested in reading it, and can’t access it through their library or other sources, shoot me an E, and I’ll hook you up with it. if you can post a link I would appreciate it tanks Jessica — LM- It took a bit of digging but I found the info on a psych 101 prof’s website. http://mysite.verizon.net/res0im1v/donettesteelepsychology/id14.html Jessica
Thank you I know Bob pretty well and know this study -the author of the article Teicher makes some very astute obseravtions about the physiology but comes to conclusions regarding the etiology or "cause" of things by faulty reasoning. He asserts that many of those with personality disorders like borderline suffered at the hands of abuse and then developed brain impairments in the limbic and hypothalmic regions of their brains as well as (he ties this in to Davies’ study as some body of proof to help substantiate his assertion, as well as some other studies that help support his thesis) but, and this but is critical-many, many, many, people who suffer from personality disorders did not suffer environmental abuse or parental abuse-some did-and of those who did, the ones who induced the suffering also had personality disorders-ergo- what came first–the developmental creation of limbic abnormality or the genetic creation of same? I have found that most personality disordered individuals had strong familial connections with other family members that had the same or similar disorders. I also have found that many people who suffer recitivistic or resistant anxiety disorders and depressive disorders to have some fairly potent personality or axis issues as well, and few had childhood trauma-some did of course. Scientists and writers want desperately to find a "magic moment of disease onset" that one strikingspark that igbnites the flame that begins the genesis towards the cascade of illness-the whole field of genetics is devoted to doing this-it may prove of great benefit, or it may, and most likely will, show a route of one possibility-not THE route… I would also postulate that many of those who show limbic abnormality when given adequate levels of cognitive therapy can change the chemical and structural nature of these same abnormalities-some cannot, some can make moderate changes-but change can occur that may refute one notion-that the damage that is seen ir indeed "damage" it may very well be a compensatory mechanism the brain creates to formulate a more stable internal environment to the external level of stress and dissonance-just like those who induce food deprivation (fancy name for stringent dieting) begin to secrete more estrogen-build subcutaneous fat levels, stave off a state of biological starvation etc.. maybe this is a faulty analagy, but my point is —-all may not be as it seems, and conclusions of this magnitude, unless predicated with a great big "maybe" can only be seen as an interesting idea-not an epiphany. The real epiphany is the human brain-the human species is capable of withstanding enormous levels of trauma and continue to grow and develop in healthy ways. After all, panic is traumatic-those who suffer at its hands are traumatized over and over and can still lead fruitful and happy lives-even with a shrunken limbic system and a personality disorder. I don’t like articles that throw the baby out with the bath water and depict a one sided point of view that may create either false hope, or severe pessimism-after all, if the medications we have only really help 40% of those with psychiatric conditions and at reduced percentages of functionality to boot-thinking that ones brain may be faulty, or damaged or diseased can only lead to some pretty nasty self inflicted pity and hopelessness-gee, if only they had better drugs, maybe one day I will feel better-until then I just give up and give into my abnormality. Trauma is painful and hurts people-it may be an impetus to develop some pretty strong neurotic tendencies and behaviors, it may also through the same process establish brain changes-those changes can be reversed and those neurotic tendencies and behaviors can be modified, to a higher level of functioning, a healthier level…Teicher doesn’t seem to address this. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thinkanxiety.org – Severe stress can damage a child’s brain, say researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine and Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital. The researchers found that children with post-traumatic stress disorder and high levels of the stress hormone cortisol were likely to experience a decrease in the size of the hippocampus – a brain structure important in memory processing and emotion. Although similar effects have been seen in animal studies, this is the first time the findings have been replicated in children. The researchers focused on kids in extreme situations to better understand how stress affects brain development. "We’re not talking about the stress of doing your homework or fighting with your dad," said Packard Children’s child psychiatrist Victor Carrion, MD. "We’re talking about traumatic stress. These kids feel like they’re stuck in the middle of a street with a truck barreling down at them." Carrion, assistant professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the medical school and director of Stanford’s early life stress research program, and his collaborators speculate that cognitive deficits arising from stress hormones interfere with psychiatric therapy and prolong symptoms. The children in the study were suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, as a result of undergoing physical, emotional or sexual abuse, witnessing violence or experiencing lasting separation and loss. This type of developmental trauma often impairs the child’s ability to reach social, emotional and academic milestones. "We’d really like to understand why some children are more resilient than others, and what the long-term effects of extreme stress are," said Carrion, who is the first author of the research, to be published in the March issue of Pediatrics. "We know, for example, that these children are at higher risk of developing depression and/or anxiety as adults." …cont. http://www.thinkanxiety.org/article-2996101.htm
Fantastic article on the subject in the March 2002 issue of Scientific American magazine, _Scars that Won’t Heal: The Neurobiology of Child Abuse_, by Martin H. Teicher. Worth checking out for anyone with interest in the topic. If anyone is interested in reading it, and can’t access it through their library or other sources, shoot me an E, and I’ll hook you up with it. Jessica — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
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http://www.theage.com.au/news/in-depth/primary-blues/2007/03/09/11731… Another view. I have taught resilience. It was working. Meryl
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thinkanxiety.org – Severe stress can damage a child’s brain, damage seem sto imply a permanent state of being-this is untrue-certain changes obviously happen, but they can be reversed or at least compensated for with some help-the key is getting the right kind of help say researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine and Lucile Packard Children’s Hospital. The researchers found that children with post-traumatic stress disorder and high levels of the stress hormone cortisol were likely to experience a decrease in the size of the hippocampus – a brain structure important in memory processing and emotion. I am sure there are even more subtle biophysiological changes in many parts of the brain as well as the load the cns responds to-for some a retared cns may result or a numbing and for others a cns that is hyperactive Although similar effects have been seen in animal studies, this is the first time the findings have been replicated in children. How did they get away with traumatizing the children? That’s a joke The researchers focused on kids in extreme situations to better understand how stress affects brain development. "We’re not talking about the stress of doing your homework You should have seen my homework or fighting with your dad," should have seen my dad said Packard Children’s child psychiatrist Victor Carrion, MD. "We’re talking about traumatic stress. These kids feel like they’re stuck in the middle of a street with a truck barreling down at them." you mean a state of ontological anxiety-the stuff we all have here Carrion, assistant professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the medical school and director of Stanford’s early life stress research program, and his collaborators speculate that cognitive deficits arising from stress hormones interfere with psychiatric therapy and prolong symptoms. It is those very cognitive deficits that can be used as compensatroy mechanisms for getting past the nasty conditoned responses ingrained in the brains of these kids and in later life adults The children in the study were suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, as a result of undergoing physical, emotional or sexual abuse, witnessing violence or experiencing lasting separation and loss. This type of developmental trauma often impairs the child’s ability to reach social, emotional and academic milestones. They function as if damaged. "We’d really like to understand why some children are more resilient than others, it is the way they are hardwired and how they use cognitive structure to challenge the way they respond and perceive the world. Much has been written about survivors of great stress like in Nazi Germany or other prisoner of war situations or greately repressed social structures and what the long-term effects of extreme stress are," we show the results said Carrion, who is the first author of the research, to be published in the March issue of Pediatrics. "We know, for example, that these children are at higher risk of developing depression and/or anxiety as adults." …cont. http://www.thinkanxiety.org/article-2996101.htm Fantastic article on the subject in the March 2002 issue of Scientific American magazine, _Scars that Won’t Heal: The Neurobiology of Child Abuse_, by Martin H. Teicher. Worth checking out for anyone with interest in the topic. If anyone is interested in reading it, and can’t access it through their library or other sources, shoot me an E, and I’ll hook you up with it. if you can post a link I would appreciate it tanks Jessica — LM- It took a bit of digging but I found the info on a psych 101 prof’s website. http://mysite.verizon.net/res0im1v/donettesteelepsychology/id14.html Jessica Thank you I know Bob pretty well and know this study -the author of the article Teicher makes some very astute obseravtions about the physiology but comes to conclusions regarding the etiology or "cause" of things by faulty reasoning. He asserts that many of those with personality disorders like borderline suffered at the hands of abuse and then developed brain impairments in the limbic and hypothalmic regions of their brains as well as (he ties this in to Davies’ study as some body of proof to help substantiate his assertion, as well as some other studies that help support his thesis) but, and this but is critical-many, many, many, people who suffer from personality disorders did not suffer environmental abuse or parental abuse-some did-and of those who did, the ones who induced the suffering also had personality disorders-ergo- what came first–the developmental creation of limbic abnormality or the genetic creation of same? I have found that most personality disordered individuals had strong familial connections with other family members that had the same or similar disorders. I also have found that many people who suffer recitivistic or resistant anxiety disorders and depressive disorders to have some fairly potent personality or axis issues as well, and few had childhood trauma-some did of course. Scientists and writers want desperately to find a "magic moment of disease onset" that one strikingspark that igbnites the flame that begins the genesis towards the cascade of illness-the whole field of genetics is devoted to doing this-it may prove of great benefit, or it may, and most likely will, show a route of one possibility-not THE route… I would also postulate that many of those who show limbic abnormality when given adequate levels of cognitive therapy can change the chemical and structural nature of these same abnormalities-some cannot, some can make moderate changes-but change can occur that may refute one notion-that the damage that is seen ir indeed "damage" it may very well be a compensatory mechanism the brain creates to formulate a more stable internal environment to the external level of stress and dissonance-just like those who induce food deprivation (fancy name for stringent dieting) begin to secrete more estrogen-build subcutaneous fat levels, stave off a state of biological starvation etc.. maybe this is a faulty analagy, but my point is —-all may not be as it seems, and conclusions of this magnitude, unless predicated with a great big "maybe" can only be seen as an interesting idea-not an epiphany. The real epiphany is the human brain-the human species is capable of withstanding enormous levels of trauma and continue to grow and develop in healthy ways. After all, panic is traumatic-those who suffer at its hands are traumatized over and over and can still lead fruitful and happy lives-even with a shrunken limbic system and a personality disorder. I don’t like articles that throw the baby out with the bath water and depict a one sided point of view that may create either false hope, or severe pessimism-after all, if the medications we have only really help 40% of those with psychiatric conditions and at reduced percentages of functionality to boot-thinking that ones brain may be faulty, or damaged or diseased can only lead to some pretty nasty self inflicted pity and hopelessness-gee, if only they had better drugs, maybe one day I will feel better-until then I just give up and give into my abnormality. Trauma is painful and hurts people-it may be an impetus to develop some pretty strong neurotic tendencies and behaviors, it may also through the same process establish brain changes-those changes can be reversed and those neurotic tendencies and behaviors can be modified, to a higher level of functioning, a healthier level…Teicher doesn’t seem to address this. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm
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