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Scientologys biggest secret? Why Battlefield Earth is even Worse than you think

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their name and phone number on the bathroom wall in alt.conspiracy A lot of Scientologists bought it and gave it back to Bridge Publications  who in turn re-sent it back to the book stores. Please, post a link (NOT a geocities or other fuzzball link) that cites this. News archive….reference to news article…etc.

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/sandiego-books031590.htm HUBBARD HOT-AUTHOR STATUS CALLED ILLUSION San Diego Union April 15, 1990 front page article by Mike McIntyre In 1981, St. Martin’s Press was offered a sure thing. L. Ron Hubbard, the pulp writer turned religious leader, had written his first science-fiction novel in more than 30 years. If St. Martin’s published it, Hubbard aides promised the firm, subsidiary organizations of Hubbard’s Church of Scientology would buy at least 15,000 copies. "Battlefield Earth," priced at $24.95, was released the next year in hardcover, rare for a science-fiction title. Despite mixed reviews, the book quickly sold 120,000 copies – enough to place it on The New York Times best-seller list. "Five, six, seven people at a time would come in, with cash in hand, buying the book," said Dave Dutton, of Dutton’s Books, a group of four stores in the Los Angeles area. "They’d blindly ask for the book. They would buy two or three copies at a time with $50 bills. I had the suspicion that there was something not quite right about it." Dutton only suspected what others claim to know for fact. The book’s sudden success, say dozens of former Scientologists and book dealers, was the result of a church plan to create the illusion of L. Ron Hubbard as a hot author. The church, they say, sustains the myth – 15 New York Times best sellers and counting – through dubious marketing tactics and the manipulation of an obedient flock of consumers. The church’s orchestration of best sellers, say former Scientologists, is merely a public relations means to a larger end. The goal is to establish an identity for Hubbard other than as the founder of a controversial religious movement. His broadened appeal can then be used to recruit new members into the Church of Scientology. The church uses two businesses to peddle its books, Author Services Inc., a Hollywood literary agency, sells the rights to publish Hubbard’s works to Bridge Publications Inc., a Los Angeles company. A Church of Scientology spokeswoman, Leisa Goodman, said that the church, Author Services and Bridge are seperate and independent. But former Scientology officials say that Bridge and Author Services are staffed almost exclusively by Scientologists and operate within the church hierarchy. "Author Services used to always think of schemes to make more money," said Vicki Azneran, the former inspector general of the Religious Technology Center, an organization that former church members say runs the entire Scientology empire. "Bridge gets the money from a totally controlled cult population. "They send people into bookstores. You get a phone call: ‘Your job is to go down to the B. Dalton. Take as many people as you need to buy up all the books so they’ll have to reorder.’" Numerous calls to Author Services were not returned. Church and Bridge officials denied that sales of Hubbard’s books have been artificially inflated. But others dispute that claim, saying the church perfected its technique through the 1980s. After the success with St. Martin’s, a reputable New York publisher, Bridge took over. Its 1983 paperback release of "Battlefield Earth" was a best seller. Around the same time, Bridge’s re-issue of "Dianetics," the scripture of Scientology that Hubbard wrote in 1950, returned to best seller lists. Hubbard’s death in January 1986 did not break the streak. From 1985 to 1987, Bridge published Hubbard’s 10-volume science-fiction series, "Mission Earth." All 10 books were hardcover best sellers. Subsequent paperback releases of the early volumes also were best sellers. And, if form follows, the volumes yet to be released in paperback also will be best sellers. At the close of the ’80s, Bridge claimed Hubbard’s books had generated $90 million in revenues for the publishing industry. But unlike the cases of Tom Clancy or Danielle Steele, L. Ron Hubbard’s meteoric rise as a best-selling author may have little to do with readers. "We were told to go out and buy a bunch of copies of ‘Battlefield Earth’ so it would become a best seller," said Dr. Frank Gerbode, the former head of the Scientology mission in Palo Alto. "The arguement we were given was, if he became famous again as a science-fiction writer, it would improve his status." Aznaran, who defected from the church in 1987, said Scientologists comply because the church teaches them that the future of their religion and their souls is linked to the success of Hubbard’s novels. "Scientologists are told they’re supposed to buy lots of those books," Aznaran said. "They’re told they’re helping save the world with Scientology. If they can create a good image for Hubbard, they will be assured spiritual salvation." MANUFACTURING A BEST SELLER There was a time when Hubbard’s fiction required no artificial boosts to succeed. In the 1930’s, he was a popular and enormously prolific pulp adventure writer, publishing millions of words. In 1938, Hubbard switched genres. With writers such as Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov and A.E. Van Vogt, he ushered in the Golden Age of science fiction. His heroes tended to be supermen who drew on highly developed mental powers to save the world. By the late 1940s, nearly 100 of his novels had been published, including "Final Blackout," an early classic of the field. But his voluminous output did not translate into wealth. "Writing science fiction for about a penny a word is no way to make a living," Hubbard said to a 1947 gathering of the Eastern Science Fiction Association. "If you really want to make a million, the quickest way is to start your own religion." The remark proved prophetic. Hubbard founded the Church of Scientology in 1955 and started amassing his fortune. By the time of his death in 1986, reported Forbes magazine, his organization was worth $400 million. Nearing the end of his life, the cult leader apparently grew nostalgic for his first vocation. "I’m very proud of also being known as a science-fiction writer," Hubbard wrote in his introduction to "Battlefield Earth." The book, he said, "celebrates my golden wedding with the muse. Fifty years a professional – 1930-1980." Harvey Haber, a former Scientologist who served as Hubbard’s literary aide, was dispatched to New York to sell the manuscript. Hubbard demanded that the book be represented by a major literary agency and placed with one of the 10 largest publishers. The church and Bridge Publications were to play no role. "He wanted to prove to everyone and all that he still had it," Haber said. "That he was the best in the world." But 58 New York literary agencies thought otherwise, Haber said. "Not one of them would touch it." In Haber’s opinion, "The book was a piece of s—." Church officials didn’t dare tell Hubbard his book was unmarketable, said Haber. "You would’ve been handed your head." Thus, he said, was hatched the plan to offer guaranteed sales in return for publication. Even that was not enough for some publishers. David Hartwell, who in 1981 was director of science fiction at Simon & Schuster, declined to publish "Battlefield Earth" despite guaranteed sales of 35,000 copies. "I didn’t think it was a terribly good book," Hartwell said. Hubbard’s aides then knocked on St. Martin’s door, and the publisher welcomed them in. The book was published in August 1982. The church, Haber said, transferred funds from its international reserves to buy 25,000 copies of "Battlefield Earth" from St. Martin’s. Bridge Publications and its European affiliate, New Era Publications, were then ordered to replace the money. About the same time, Author Services was created, allegedly to manage Hubbard’s finances and those of the church. St. Martin’s senior editor Michael Denneny confirmed that a deal was struck. He recalled, however, that Author Services guaranteed to buy 15,000 to 20,000 copies. But when "Battlefield Earth" was published, he said, Author Services bought more copies than originally promised. "The Author Services people were very rambunctious," Denneny said. "They wanted to make it a New York Times best seller. They were obsessed by that." When "Battlefield Earth" reached the shelves, the Cult Awareness Network, a national non-profit clearinghouse for information on cults, started hearing from book dealers in the New York area. "Bookstores were calling us and asking what was happening," said Priscilla Coates, then director of the network. "People were calling them up and ordering multiple copies. The largest (order) was over 100." Some Scientologists noticed that these tactics had a familiar ring to them. Hana Whitfield, a personal aide to Hubbard from 1967 to 1977, said the Scientology leader routinely issued "project orders" in the 1970s to buy "Dianetics." Church members were given lump sums of up to $50,000, Whitfield said, and sent to book stores. "Some of them had a quota. For example: ‘Buy 50 copies from this B. Dalton on this street every two weeks.’ Or: ‘Buy 50 copies from that Waldenbooks on that street every other week.’ "As they were bought, they would be disposed of, or given to libraries, or stored in warehouses, or sent back to the printer and recycled." A Riverside librarian recalled that throughout the ’70s, the county’s 30 branches frequently received donated copies of "Dianetics." "I remember they used to come in boxes… about five books per box," said Billie Dancy, head of the Riverside Central Library. … read more »

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(Wayne Aiken) on a piece of toilet paper while scribbling their name and phone number on the bathroom wall in alt.conspiracy : Just WHAT does this have to do with Battlefield Earth, one of his : actual good Sci-Fi works? Not a damned thing. If Battlefield Earth was one of his good ones, I’d hate to see the bad ones. Don’t base it on the movie, the book was very well done, and it was on the top 10 list for 1 year when it came out in 85.

Sure it was on the top ten list. A lot of Scientologists bought it and gave it back to Bridge Publications  who in turn re-sent it back to the book stores. How was this known you may ask? Many Waldenbooks employees reported that their stickers were still on the books when they recieved them! Bridge didn’t even bother taking them off. The SF community at the time found great amusement at all this stupidity.

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their name and phone number on the bathroom wall in alt.conspiracy A lot of Scientologists bought it and gave it back to Bridge Publications  who in turn re-sent it back to the book stores. Please, post a link (NOT a geocities or other fuzzball link) that cites this. News archive….reference to news article…etc.

Time Magazine.  http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/time-behar.html If you insist, you can download it (for a small price) from Time’s own website. http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/from_search/0,10987,11019105… — # BOOK PUBLISHING. Scientology mischiefmaking has even moved to the book industry. Since 1985 at least a dozen Hubbard books, printed by a church company, have made best-seller lists. They range from a 5,000-page sci-fi decology (Black Genesis, The Enemy Within, An Alien Affair) to the 40-year-old Dianetics. In 1988 the trade publication Publishers Weekly awarded the dead author a plaque commemorating the appearance of Dianetics on its best-seller list for 100 consecutive weeks. Critics pan most of Hubbard’s books as unreadable, while defectors claim that church insiders are sometimes the real authors. Even so, Scientology has sent out armies of its followers to buy the group’s books at such major chains as B. Dalton’s and Waldenbooks to sustain the illusion of a best-selling author. A former Dalton’s manager says that some books arrived in his store with the chain’s price stickers already on them, suggesting that copies are being recycled. Scientology claims that sales of Hubbard books now top 90 million worldwide. The scheme, set up to gain converts and credibility, is coupled with a radio and TV advertising campaign virtually un-paralleled in the book industry. — This is merely the most prominent of the mentions of this story.  It was a matter of public knowledge before this.  Cf. http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/la90/la90-5.html (LA Times 28 June 1990, "Costly Strategy Continues to Turn Out Bestsellers") The LA Times article is very specific in citing the originator of the claim: — Gary Hamel, B. Dalton’s former manager at Santa Monica Place, had similar experiences. He said that "10 people would come in at a time and buy quantities of them and they would pay cash." Hamel also speculated that some copies of a Hubbard science fiction novel were sold more than once. He said that while he was working at the B. Dalton in Hollywood, some books shipped by Hubbard’s publishing house arrived with B. Dalton price stickers already on them. He said this indicated to him that the books had been purchased at one of the chain’s outlets, then returned to the publishing house and shipped out for resale before anyone thought to remove the stickers. "We would order more books and … they’d come back with our sticker as if they were bought by the publisher," Hamel said. — Similarly, this is available from the LA Times but I’m not sure it’s available online through their archives.  I’m certain for the right amount of money they’d disgorge it and it should be in any decent microfilm library. While Hamel’s allegation is the most prominent of such, similar statements and anecdotes are endemic in the bookselling industry.

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I could care less, and so do most people with a grain of sense about them. If you can’t see a cult coming a mile away, you deserve what you get. Ask Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys about his time with the Mansons…I read the book of course, most hard-core sci-fi buffs have, but hey, Heinlein was pretty freaky too… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Why Battlefield Earth is even Worse than you think I am going to explain this very slowly, for sake of the Scientologists and fools out there who will try to attack this posting. So if you are neither a Scientologist or a fool, do not take offense if I take a little more time than usual explaining this…., if you are a Scientologist I hope this posting wakes you up just a little to what has been done to you. Hubbard was a paranoid Schizophrenic http://www.lermanet.com/cos/whatjudgessay.htm He originally wrote Dianetics in 1950.. ( Read the 1950 Scientific http://www.lermanet.com/scientific.htm American Review of Dianetics ) He claimed that Dianetics was a discovery of a magnitude comparable the discovery of fire… This is more than one lie. Dianetics as written by Hubbard, is neither his http://www.lermanet.com/sources.htm discovery or is it of any major import to the field of psychology and self-betterment. In Dianetics Hubbard demonizes psychiatry, psychology and Pavlov, He repeatedly refers to them in his voluminous writings as the "PSYCHS" He does this for at least two reasons: Number ONE He knew that for his scam to keep extracting money from rubes, that he must "de-popularize" and "dead-agent" psychiatry, because if anyone read Psychiatrist and Professor William Sargant’s book "Battle for the MIND" one would learn that what Hubbard called "Dianetics" is based upon a technology that was first used in North Africa by psychologists and clinicians to treat soldiers suffering from shell shock – post traumatic stress disorder or "ptsd". That technique was called "Aberactive Therapy" and was based upon the work of Pavlov. Pavlov, famous for his detailed experiments conditioning dogs, some of which were conditioned to salivate when given a slight electrical stimulous through their paws… ( see this page about Scientology’s subliminal shock – from their e-meter ) made his most important discovery by accident. http://www.lermanet.com/e-metershort.htm One holiday the river flooded Pavlov’s laboratory. By the time the first staff arrived at the scene, the dogs were swimming for their lives at the tops of their cages in the rapidly rising water. The dogs were rescued at the last instant before they would have drown.. Pavlov then made his most amazing discovery. The conditioning in his dogs had in most cases been eliminated and sometimes reversed! Based upon this observation, various forms of induced stress therapy were tried over the years, including electric shock therapy, insulin shock therapy, ice water baths etc… as a means to treat the insane, and cause a mental-reboot of sorts. The theories were that when the brain reaches a complete state of mental overload it will temporarily cease to function and then re-start – sort of a clean reboot with a new operating system. Used for evil intent, Pavlov’s discoveries were used by Lenin to create the Stalinist brainwashing techniques that controlled those who would not obey the wishes of Stalin’s totalitarian government. Other evil spectres of the past have used these techniques. Now for Scientology to keep it’s followers they must never never be allowed to find out that Hubbard DID NOT INVENT DIANETICS! So the entire field of mental healing is demonized by Hubbard. Because he did not what his rubes to ever read the truth, Dianetics was NOT discovered by Hubbard, he stole it from prior art, Aberactive Therapy, which was used by Psychiatrists in North Africa in 1944 to treat shell shock. Number TWO "Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in God, but NEVER without belief in a Devil" Page 95 Eric Hoffer’s "The True Believer" "When Hitler was asked whether he thought the Jews must be destroyed, he answered: "No….we should have then to invent him. It is essential to have a tangible enemy, not merely an abstract enemy" Hermann Rauschning – Hitler Speaks (Pitman 1940) The Abstract enemy in Scientology is the REACTIVE MIND The Tangible enemy in Scientology are "Psychs", that is Psychiatrists and of course those who have been the "dupes" of "psychiatrists" – The enemies of Scientology such as you and I. I asked author Paulette Cooper, who was sued 19 times for her 1971 edition of "The Scandal of Scientology" this question: Why did you decide to expose Scientology? She answered, because I recognized in Scientology, the same spectre that killed my parents at Auschwitz. What does this screed have to do with a lousy movie starring a washed up actor called Battlefield Earth? In The Movie Battlefield Earth the BAD GUYS are called "PSYCHLOS" In Dianetics and Scientology the BAD GUYS are called "PSYCHS" For Scientology PSYCHS ( or PSYCHLOS in Battlefield earth) -serve the same purpose as the JEWS did for the Nazis By repetition of the idea that PSYCHLOS are evil, Hubbard hoped to make PSYCHS more evil, because his worse fear was that somebody would connect these dots. Battlefield Earth forwards Scientology’s agenda. He did not call the bad guys PSYCHLOS by accident. Just as in Scientology, he did not decide to refer to the human soul by the name "THETAN" by accident. You see, if you were to say the word SATAN with a lisp it would come out THETAN. Sincerely, Arnaldo Lerma An ex-scientologist http://www.lermanet.com Ferengi + Borg = Scientology I’d prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak. The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers The internet is the liberty tree of the new millennium Secrets are the mortar binding lies as bricks together into prisons for the mind http://www.lermanet.com – mentioned 4 January 2000 in The Washington Post’s – ‘Reliable Source’ column re "Scientologist with no

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A lot of Scientologists bought it and gave it back to Bridge Publications   who in turn re-sent it back to the book stores. Please, post a link (NOT a geocities or other fuzzball link) that cites this. News archive….reference to news article…etc. Well thanks to ptsc for the link which I didn’t know about. There was no WWW back then dimwit. I knew about it because I was a member of the World Science Fiction Society at the time. I also know about how Scientology tried to get BE nominated for the Hugo Award at Chicon that year. Unfortunately the checks all came from the same address so was ruled invaled.

Here’s a fun part about that, though I don’t get why George Hay got booted: More Scientology! Andy Porter had a moment of paranoia in a recent SF Chronicle, fearing that the massed forces of Scientology would join ConStellation this year to vote the sainted Hubbard’s Battlefield Earth a Hugo. Charles Platt, as ever championing the free flow of information, at once wrote to the book’s promoters to suggest exactly this. `I feel very strongly that (BE) deserves to win the Hugo Award for Best SF Novel of 1982… Since Mr Hubbard has many loyal readers beyond the fan in-group, why not get those readers to pull their weight?’ The first repercussions have already hit in Britain, with the lovable George Hay served with a SUPPRESSIVE PERSON DECLARE AND EXPULSION ORDER giving him the boot from the Church of Scientology for `suppressive actions’ (unspecified by George), and signed by an INTERNATIONAL JUSTICE CHIEF, no less. Lateral-thinking George says he’ll be taking this up in a letter to Foundation as soon as he’s read BE… (His current limp is not because he’s been done over by a squad of International Justice Chiefs; he encountered a hit-and-run driver in London late last year.) http://www.ansible.co.uk/Ansible/a32.html Mike Gormez – Scientology and health www.whyaretheydead.net – ‘Religious’ child abuse and neglect www.taxexemptchildabuse.net – Visit Occupied Clearwater with Nessie http://nessie.psychassualt.org/ – The hearing transcripts http://whyaretheydead.net/lisa_mcpherson/bob/

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their name and phone number on the bathroom wall in alt.conspiracy

A lot of Scientologists bought it and gave it back to Bridge Publications   who in turn re-sent it back to the book stores. Please, post a link (NOT a geocities or other fuzzball link) that cites this. News archive….reference to news article…etc.

Well thanks to ptsc for the link which I didn’t know about. There was no WWW back then dimwit. I knew about it because I was a member of the World Science Fiction Society at the time. I also know about how Scientology tried to get BE nominated for the Hugo Award at Chicon that year. Unfortunately the checks all came from the same address so was ruled invaled. Time Magazine.  http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/time-behar.html

Andy Porter’s Science Fiction Chronicle always kept us up to date anything LRH and his little fan club was up to. Domo arigato ptsc-san for your assistance.

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a piece of toilet paper while scribbling their name and phone number on the bathroom wall in alt.conspiracy He originally wrote Dianetics in 1950.. ( Read the 1950 Scientific http://www.lermanet.com/scientific.htm

<snip Just WHAT does this have to do with Battlefield Earth, one of his actual good Sci-Fi works? Not a damned thing. Here I was hoping to defend one of my favorite books only to find out its about boring Dianetics.

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: Just WHAT does this have to do with Battlefield Earth, one of his : actual good Sci-Fi works? Not a damned thing. If Battlefield Earth was one of his good ones, I’d hate to see the bad ones. —-    Consumption!      $ http://www4.ncsu.edu/~aiken/ $  is legal tender in PO Box 30904         $   Warning: I hoard pennies   $  28 countries!" Raleigh, NC  27622   $ AIM:slackx42   Anti-Spam #77 $    –"Bob"

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Why Battlefield Earth is even Worse than you think I am going to explain this very slowly, for sake of the Scientologists and fools out there who will try to attack this posting. So if you are neither a Scientologist or a fool, do not take offense if I take a little more time than usual explaining this…., if you are a Scientologist I hope this posting wakes you up just a little to what has been done to you. Hubbard was a paranoid Schizophrenic http://www.lermanet.com/cos/whatjudgessay.htm He originally wrote Dianetics in 1950.. ( Read the 1950 Scientific http://www.lermanet.com/scientific.htm  American Review of Dianetics ) He claimed that Dianetics was a discovery of a magnitude comparable the discovery of fire… This is more than one lie. Dianetics as written by Hubbard, is neither his http://www.lermanet.com/sources.htm  discovery or is it of any major import to the field of psychology and self-betterment. In Dianetics Hubbard demonizes psychiatry, psychology and Pavlov, He repeatedly refers to them in his voluminous writings as the "PSYCHS" He does this for at least two reasons: Number ONE He knew that for his scam to keep extracting money from rubes, that he must "de-popularize" and "dead-agent" psychiatry, because if anyone read Psychiatrist and Professor William Sargant’s book "Battle for the MIND" one would learn that what Hubbard called "Dianetics" is based upon a technology that was first used in North Africa by psychologists and clinicians to treat soldiers suffering from shell shock – post traumatic stress disorder or "ptsd". That technique was called "Aberactive Therapy" and was based upon the work of Pavlov. Pavlov, famous for his detailed experiments conditioning dogs, some of which were conditioned to salivate when given a slight electrical stimulous through their paws… ( see this page about Scientology’s subliminal shock – from their e-meter ) made his most important discovery by accident. http://www.lermanet.com/e-metershort.htm One holiday the river flooded Pavlov’s laboratory. By the time the first staff arrived at the scene, the dogs were swimming for their lives at the tops of their cages in the rapidly rising water. The dogs were rescued at the last instant before they would have drown.. Pavlov then made his most amazing discovery. The conditioning in his dogs had in most cases been eliminated and sometimes reversed! Based upon this observation, various forms of induced stress therapy were tried over the years, including electric shock therapy, insulin shock therapy, ice water baths etc… as a means to treat the insane, and cause a mental-reboot of sorts. The theories were that when the brain reaches a complete state of mental overload it will temporarily cease to function and then re-start – sort of a clean reboot with a new operating system. Used for evil intent, Pavlov’s discoveries were used by Lenin to create the Stalinist brainwashing techniques that controlled those who would not obey the wishes of Stalin’s totalitarian government. Other evil spectres of the past have used these techniques. Now for Scientology to keep it’s followers they must never never be allowed to find out that Hubbard DID NOT INVENT DIANETICS! So the entire field of mental healing is demonized by Hubbard. Because he did not what his rubes to ever read the truth, Dianetics was NOT discovered by Hubbard, he stole it from prior art, Aberactive Therapy, which was used by Psychiatrists in North Africa in 1944 to treat shell shock. Number TWO "Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in God, but NEVER without belief in a Devil" Page 95 Eric Hoffer’s "The True Believer" "When Hitler was asked whether he thought the Jews must be destroyed, he answered: "No….we should have then to invent him. It is essential to have a tangible enemy, not merely an abstract enemy" Hermann Rauschning – Hitler Speaks (Pitman 1940) The Abstract enemy in Scientology is the REACTIVE MIND The Tangible enemy in Scientology are "Psychs", that is Psychiatrists and of course those who have been the "dupes" of "psychiatrists" – The enemies of Scientology such as you and I. I asked author Paulette Cooper, who was sued 19 times for her 1971 edition of "The Scandal of Scientology" this question: Why did you decide to expose Scientology? She answered, because I recognized in Scientology, the same spectre that killed my parents at Auschwitz. What does this screed have to do with a lousy movie starring a washed up actor called Battlefield Earth? In The Movie Battlefield Earth the BAD GUYS are called "PSYCHLOS" In Dianetics and Scientology the BAD GUYS are called "PSYCHS" For Scientology PSYCHS ( or PSYCHLOS in Battlefield earth) -serve the same purpose as the JEWS did for the Nazis By repetition of the idea that PSYCHLOS are evil, Hubbard hoped to make PSYCHS more evil, because his worse fear was that somebody would connect these dots. Battlefield Earth forwards Scientology’s agenda. He did not call the bad guys PSYCHLOS by accident. Just as in Scientology, he did not decide to refer to the human soul by the name "THETAN" by accident. You see, if you were to say the word SATAN with a lisp it would come out THETAN. Sincerely, Arnaldo Lerma An ex-scientologist http://www.lermanet.com Ferengi + Borg = Scientology I’d prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak. The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers The internet is the liberty tree of the new millennium Secrets are the mortar binding lies as bricks together into prisons for the mind http://www.lermanet.com – mentioned 4 January 2000 in The Washington Post’s – ‘Reliable Source’ column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"

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