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Ashamed of how the US government is conducting foriegn policy? Not too pleased by the fact your tax $ go to support the murder of innocents? Want to go on the record as being in opposition to the war on Iraq? Not In Our Name http://www.nion.us/ Support the troops- bring them home. And pray that they gain the wisdom to never again allow themselves to be the paid tools economic imperialism. Ethan — Reply to:
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Support the troops- bring them home. And pray that they gain the wisdom to never again allow themselves to be the paid tools economic imperialism.
Have you seen the statement to the troops written by US army veterans? I saw that at znet yesterday. Pretty impressive. A long list of names too. I can imagine that the gung-ho brigade here will be shouting out ’sedition’, ‘anti-American’ and other regular BS terms used here as they choke over that. Americans veterans opposing the war? Is it possible. Oh yeah!!! See ‘Vets: To the Troops’ at http://www.zmag.org/ZNET.htm Or better still, for the benefit of AGA ‘members’ (and I use that word in more than one sense) who are scared to dip their toes into Znet and may not know how to find an article there, here’s the stuff: We are veterans of the United States armed forces. We stand with the majority of humanity, including millions in our own country, in opposition to the United States’ all out war on Iraq. We span many wars and eras, have many political views and we all agree that this war is wrong. Many of us believed serving in the military was our duty, and our job was to defend this country. Our experiences in the military caused us to question much of what we were taught. Now we see our REAL duty is to encourage you as members of the U.S. armed forces to find out what you are being sent to fight and die for and what the consequences of your actions will be for humanity. We call upon you, the active duty and reservists, to follow your conscience and do the right thing. In the last Gulf War, as troops, we were ordered to murder from a safe distance. We destroyed much of Iraq from the air, killing hundreds of thousands, including civilians. We remember the road to Basra — the Highway of Death — where we were ordered to kill fleeing Iraqis. We bulldozed trenches, burying people alive. The use of depleted uranium weapons left the battlefields radioactive. Massive use of pesticides, experimental drugs, burning chemical weapons depots and oil fires combined to create a toxic cocktail affecting both the Iraqi people and Gulf War veterans today. One in four Gulf War veterans is disabled. During the Vietnam War we were ordered to destroy Vietnam from the air and on the ground. At My Lai we massacred over 500 women, children and old men. This was not an aberration, it’s how we fought the war. We used Agent Orange on the enemy and then experienced first hand its effects. We know what Post Traumatic Stress Disorder looks, feels and tastes like because the ghosts of over two million men, women and children still haunt our dreams. More of us took our own lives after returning home than died in battle. If you choose to participate in the invasion of Iraq you will be part of an occupying army. Do you know what it is like to look into the eyes of a people that hate you to your core? You should think about what your "mission" really is. You are being sent to invade and occupy a people who, like you and me, are only trying to live their lives and raise their kids. They pose no threat to the United States even though they have a brutal dictator as their leader. Who is the U.S. to tell the Iraqi people how to run their country when many in the U.S. don’t even believe their own President was legally elected? Saddam is being vilified for gassing his own people and trying to develop weapons of mass destruction. However, when Saddam committed his worst crimes the U.S. was supporting him. This support included providing the means to produce chemical and biological weapons. Contrast this with the horrendous results of the U.S. led economic sanctions. More than a million Iraqis, mainly children and infants, have died because of these sanctions. After having destroyed the entire infrastructure of their country including hospitals, electricity generators, and water treatment plants, the U.S. then, with the sanctions, stopped the import of goods, medicines, parts, and chemicals necessary to restore even the most basic necessities of life. There is no honor in murder. This war is murder by another name. When, in an unjust war, an errant bomb dropped kills a mother and her child it is not "collateral damage," it is murder. When, in an unjust war, a child dies of dysentery because a bomb damaged a sewage treatment plant, it is not "destroying enemy infrastructure," it is murder. When, in an unjust war, a father dies of a heart attack because a bomb disrupted the phone lines so he could not call an ambulance, it is not "neutralizing command and control facilities," it is murder. When, in an unjust war, a thousand poor farmer conscripts die in a trench defending a town they have lived in their whole lives, it is not victory, it is murder. There will be veterans leading protests against this war on Iraq and your participation in it. During the Vietnam War thousands in Vietnam and in the U.S. refused to follow orders. Many resisted and rebelled. Many became conscientious objectors and others went to prison rather than bear arms against the so-called enemy. During the last Gulf War many GIs resisted in various ways and for many different reasons. Many of us came out of these wars and joined with the anti-war movement. If the people of the world are ever to be free, there must come a time when being a citizen of the world takes precedence over being the soldier of a nation. Now is that time. When orders come to ship out, your response will profoundly impact the lives of millions of people in the Middle East and here at home. Your response will help set the course of our future. You will have choices all along the way. Your commanders want you to obey. We urge you to think. We urge you to make your choices based on your conscience. If you choose to resist, we will support you and stand with you because we have come to understand that our REAL duty is to the people of the world and to our common future. Carl C. Abrahamson, Air Force, 1971-1974 Lee Abrams, Marine Corps, 1963-1967 Stacy Adams, Navy, 1998-2002 Terry Scott Adams, Army, 1964-1966 Darwin Airola, Marine Corps, 1987-1991 Gerhard Schmidt Alexander, Army Reserve, 1987-1988 "Chicken" David Allen, Army, 1989-1992 Kelly A. Allison, Navy, 1975-1979 Anthony Alvarez, Navy, 1984-1988 Joe Amarone Jr., Army, 1974-1976 Fred H. Anderson, Marine Corps, 1956-1959 Gary Andrews, Army, 1962-1967 Arvid Antonson, Air Force, 1942-1945 Ed Armas, Army, 1962-1965 Roy A. Armstrong, Army, 1968-1970 Dan C. Armstrong Sr., Navy, 1943-1946 Norman J. Arnett, Coast Guard, 1972-1973 Beatrice Arva, Air Force, 1985-1986 & Army, 1991-1993 Niall Aslen, Royal Air Force, 1962-1986 Stephanie R. Atkinson, Army, 1984-1990 Aram Attarian II, Air Force, 1965-1966 Paul L. Atwood, Marine Corps, 1965-1966 Henry Ayre, Coast Guard, 1942-1945 Collin Baber, Air Force, 1994-1998 Eric Bagai, Marine Corps, 1958-1961 Mack Bailey, Marine Corps, 1964-1966 David E Baker, Army, 1988-1991 Norman Balabanian, Army Air Corps, 1943-1946 Brett Baney, Marine Corps, 1998-2002 Jack Barbour, Air Force, 1966-1970 Therese Bissen Bard, Army, 1951-1956 Thomas E. Barden, Army, 1968-1971 Donna Bardos, Marine Corps, 1963-1964 Rex Barger, Air Force, 1943-1946 Anthony Barreiro, Army, 1982-1986 Tony Bartel, Marine Corps, 1959-1965 Lari R. Bartschi, Army, Korean War Michelle L. Bastian, Army, 1976-1979 Russell Bates, Navy, 1967-1970 George Batton, Marine Corps Jeffrey Bauman, Army, 1966-1968 Victor H. Bausch, Army, 1966-1968 Michael J. Beards, Army, 1988-1993 & 1999-2001 Steven Beck, Army, 1968-1970 (Spc.4) Lila I. Bendkowska, Army, 1974-1976 Andy Benson, Army, 1992-1995 Philip L. Bereano, USPHS, 1966-1970 Andrew Scott Berman, Army, 1971-1973 Chester V. Berry, Navy, WW2 Dannie Lewis Berry, Navy, 1964-1966 Patricia Berry, Army, 1979-1988 Pauls Berzkalns, Air Force, 1977-1981 Frank Bessinger, Army, 1968-1971 James F. Bickford, Army & Army National Guard, 1989-1997 Anton Black, Navy, 1977-1984 Hector Black, Army, WWII Kenneth T. Blackshaw, Air Force, 1959-1975 Dave Blalock, Army, 1968-1971 Michael Blankschen, Army, 1972-1973 David Bledsoe, Air Force, 1987-1997 Louis Block, Army, 1966-1972 David Blodgett, Navy Reserve, 1943-1946 Carl Boggs, Army, 1959-1962 Charles H. Bogino, Army, 1981-1986 Yoon Bok-dong, Marine Corps, 1972-1973 Robin Bolster, Navy, 1980-1983 Charlie Bonner, Marine Corps, 1963-1972 Blase Bonpane, Marine Corps Reserve, 1948-1950 Ronald L. Bontsema, Navy, 1943-1946 & Navy Reserve, 1946-1951 Brad Borland, Navy, 1961-1965 Fr. Bob Bossie SCJ, Air Force, 1955-1959 Allan Bostelmann, Army, 1953-1955 Reber Boult, Navy, 1958-1961 Roy Bourgeois, Navy, 1962-1966 Norman Angus Bowen, Air Force, 1962-1967 Lester Bowles, Army, 1968-1970 Terry Bown, Navy, 1969-1973 Kathleen Boyd, Army, 1974-1975 & 1984-1989 Horace R. Boykin, Marine Corps, 1979-1982 Todd Boyle, Navy, 1970-1972 Terry Braddock, Navy, 1974-1976 Peter Bradley, Army, 1960-1963 Gary Bramstedt, Air Force, 1960-1965 Lt. Col Harlan E. Branby, Ret., Air Force, 1957-1979 William P. Brandt, Army Blanton Breece, Army, 1969-1971 Jon Brenard, Marine Corps, 1965-1969 Steven D. Brewer, Marine Corps, 1974-1976 Dorothy Brewington, Army, 1979-1987 Dana L. Briggs, Air Force, 1978-1988 Bernard Brightman, Air Force, 1941-1945 Bill Britt, Army, 1952-1955 & 1976-1996 Marjorie Broadbent, Australian Army Medical Women’s Service, 1939-1945 Don Broadwell, Marine Corps, 1960-1966 Jerry Brooks, Air Force, 1956-1959 Ron Brooks, Air Force, 1977-1998 Jere Brower, Army, 1993-2002 Geoffrey Brown, Army, 1969-1971 Roger W Brown, Marine Corps, 1957-1960 James Browne, Army, 1971-1973 Peter Brush, Marine Corps, 1966-1968 Jon Bryan, Navy, 1964-1968 Robert Burke, Marine Corps, 1969-1976 Bill Burkett, Army, 1971-1999 William C. Burns, Navy, 1965-1967 Michael Duane Bury, Navy, 1967-1970 Greg Busby, Air Force, 1980-2000 Paul Busby, Navy, 1956-1958 Larry Bush, Army, 1968-1971 Michael Busich Sr., Marine Corps, 1965-1970 Jack Bussell, Army, 1959-1979 Dan Butts, Army, 1960-1963 … read more »
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ashamed of how the US government is conducting foriegn policy? Not too pleased by the fact your tax $ go to support the murder of innocents? Want to go on the record as being in opposition to the war on Iraq? Not In Our Name http://www.nion.us/ Support the troops- bring them home. And pray that they gain the wisdom to never again allow themselves to be the paid tools economic imperialism. Ethan — Reply to:
I’ve read enough of your crapola. Say ‘Hi" to paise in my killfile. *PLONK
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(fictitious list snipped) Vernon M. Stevens, Army, 1941-present Yeah, right.
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John Carville blubbered:
(snip the usual leftist agitprop) ROFLMBFAO! Man, you’re *really* stretching hard these days – 850 names! Damn, that’s a LOT, huh? 850 out of *millions upon millions* who’ve served since WW II. Anyone want to bet that if you polled ‘em all you could come up with more people who like catsup on vanilla ice cream? Lord Valve American
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