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many of what people under hypnosis recall might be labled as an ‘alien abduction’ , ’satanic abuse’, ect. This might be a shadow of a past life or repressed memories but also might be what is called ‘leading a patient’ where the hypnotist suggests or pushes an image into the mind of a patient. For example the hypnotist might ask ‘do you see a man in black with dark hair?’ and the patient will say yes, not because that’s what truly happened in her past life or repressed memory,but because the patient might be supceptable to outside influences. basically, suggest an image and the patient will see it while under trance. many factors tie in with the patients visions while hypnotised.
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many of what people under hypnosis recall might be labled as an ‘alien abduction’ , ’satanic abuse’, ect. This might be a shadow of a past life or repressed memories but also might be what is called ‘leading a patient’ where the hypnotist suggests or pushes an image into the mind of a patient. For example the hypnotist might ask ‘do you see a man in black with dark hair?’ and the patient will say yes, not because that’s what truly happened in her past life or repressed memory,but because the patient might be supceptable to outside influences. basically, suggest an image and the patient will see it while under trance. many factors tie in with the patients visions while hypnotised.
I am of two minds about the value of hypnosis. I have seen it used successfully in law enforcement to recall license plate numbers and descriptions. And if you listened to the tapes, there was no way you could have said the therapist was leading the witness. I have also listen to tapes of alleged abductees where the same could be said. Alien abduction is one of those strange subjects where I sit on the fence on. Because there is so little we really know about the brain. There is one thing I would like to say, I don’t know if the abductions are real. But I do know something traumatic has happened to these people, I don’t know if it is mental or physical, but I do know there is not one blanket explanation for all of them. I also suspect that there might be some alien abduction cases that are covering some traumatic childhood abuse, the reason I suspect this is because it happened to me. Four years ago, I was watching a ‘Sightings’ show on the Alien Abduction phenomena. During the show, they flashed a sculpture of what is known as a ‘Grey’ while a person was talking about their abduction experience. This triggered what is known in the psychiatric community as a ‘empathic response’ to a deeply buried memory. Among the most common emotional responses of AA are fear, helplessness, pain and anger and a host of other negative emotions. Listening to these stories by alleged abductees triggered the emotional memories of my own childhood abuse at the same moment they flashed the picture of the ‘Grey’. So I drew the most logical but wrong conclusion that I had been abducted. PLEASE NOTE: I AM NOT AN ALIEN ABDUCTION VICTIM. Now comes the not funny part. In less than 6 weeks my mental condition deteriorated to the point that I was suicidal. I couldn’t sleep without the lights on, and I was suffering from anxiety attacks on a real regular basis, I was afraid of the dark, I lost my appetite and lost close to 30 pounds and was a virtual shut in. I was suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. What got me turned around was a group called the Spiritual Awareness Network (SEN) they put me in contact with a Shen (a Chinese form of psychiatry) Therapist that specialized in dealing with emotional trauma. What caused my mental deterioration was the EMOTIONAL memory of being physically abused as a child. I couldn’t remember the abuse, but the emotional memory had bubbled up to the top of my conscience mind and was wreaking havoc. Through the Shen Therapy, I was able to remember the abuse and deal with the emotional conflict and mental conflict created. In short, I was able to get my head screw back on straight. My girlfriend, now my wife said after the first session, it was like someone had lifted a great weight off my shoulders. I felt so good I was almost bouncing off the walls. When one is frightened of the truth . . . then it is never the whole truth that one has an inkling of. – Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951) Austrian philosopher. Notebooks 1914-1916 (ed. by Anscombe, 1961), entry for 15 Oct. 1914. Tony Veca
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —snip— I also suspect that there might be some alien abduction cases that are covering some traumatic childhood abuse, the reason I suspect this is because it happened to me. Four years ago, I was watching a ‘Sightings’ show on the Alien Abduction phenomena. During the show, they flashed a sculpture of what is known as a ‘Grey’ while a person was talking about their abduction experience. This triggered what is known in the psychiatric community as a ‘empathic response’ to a deeply buried memory. Among the most common emotional responses of AA are fear, helplessness, pain and anger and a host of other negative emotions. Listening to these stories by alleged abductees triggered the emotional memories of my own childhood abuse at the same moment they flashed the picture of the ‘Grey’. So I drew the most logical but wrong conclusion that I had been abducted. —snip—
I have heard of something similar, but not quite the same. It is my understanding that sometimes when childhood abuse occurs at the hands of a close family member, later in life the memories resurface but the abuser is replaced in the victims mind with someone or something else, occasionally aliens. This is believed to happen because, as difficult as it may be to deal with the trauma of alien abduction, it is more difficult to deal with the trauma of being abused at the hands of someone who is supposed to love and care for you. It is as though the victim’s sub conscience is trying to protect them from the pain of the abuse. This is not to say that all people who claim alien abduction were abused as children; I mean, some of them may actually have been abducted and, of course, there are probably some who are looking for attention or who just made it up for the sake of putting one over on everyone. But certainly, repressed memories of childhood abuse does account for, at the very least, a small percentage of cases. The theory which began this thread, regarding the resurfacing of past life memories, is quite interesting and something I hadn’t considered. I am aware of some memories of my own past lives; a few are surprisingly clear, but most are pretty hazy and vague. I could certainly understand someone misinterpreting a hazy memory. I’d like to hear more thoughts PLEASE NOTE: I AM NOT AN ALIEN ABDUCTION VICTIM. —snip—
Somehow, I just felt that it was worth repeating. Peace, Love and Smiles, Gwyn
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is one idea that I have chucked out a few times, and it is one that has a bit of science to back it up. It is possible that Past Life may actually be ‘Genetic Memory’. The basis of the idea deals with RNA. We all know that DNA is the genetic blue print for our bodies. From what I understand, RNA is the genetic blueprint for how our memories work (feel free to correct me if I am wrong about this, I got from a SCI-fi book, so I don’t know if it right or not). Now if our genes contain the copies of the genetic blue prints of our parents, is it not possible that their memories and the memories of their ancestors are also getting passed down through RNA instead of DNA. When one is frightened of the truth . . . then it is never the whole truth that one has an inkling of. – Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951) Austrian philosopher. Notebooks 1914-1916 (ed. by Anscombe, 1961), entry for 15 Oct. 1914. Tony Veca
I had thought of there being a link between parental memories and DNA/RNA before. I must admit that I was a bit disappointed when I took Microbiology and BioChemistry and found out I was wrong. So as non technical as I can make it: DNA is the genetic ‘blueprint’ for our bodies, yes. However RNA is a short string of genetic material that is formed off of the DNA template. Relatively short strings of RNA are created and destroyed literally every second. In short the DNA blueprint gets read to form strands of RNA. This RNA is then read to form proteins. After the needed proteins are formed the building blocks of RNA break down only to be reformed into RNA with a different structure entirely. To sum up, RNA coding is temporary and based entirely on DNA. Clear as mud? If anyone really, really wants the technical details, e-mail me. Dayna
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[...deletia...] The theory which began this thread, regarding the resurfacing of past life memories, is quite interesting and something I hadn’t considered. I am aware of some memories of my own past lives; a few are surprisingly clear, but most are pretty hazy and vague. I could certainly understand someone misinterpreting a hazy memory. I’d like to hear more thoughts on this topic.
There is one idea that I have chucked out a few times, and it is one that has a bit of science to back it up. It is possible that Past Life may actually be ‘Genetic Memory’. The basis of the idea deals with RNA. We all know that DNA is the genetic blue print for our bodies. From what I understand, RNA is the genetic blueprint for how our memories work (feel free to correct me if I am wrong about this, I got from a SCI-fi book, so I don’t know if it right or not). Now if our genes contain the copies of the genetic blue prints of our parents, is it not possible that their memories and the memories of their ancestors are also getting passed down through RNA instead of DNA. When one is frightened of the truth . . . then it is never the whole truth that one has an inkling of. – Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951) Austrian philosopher. Notebooks 1914-1916 (ed. by Anscombe, 1961), entry for 15 Oct. 1914. Tony Veca
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Hi all, Without wishing to sound supercilious, it’s best not to base an understanding of genetics on a science fiction book! 
I wasn’t, but the author in question is known for researching his subjects pretty well. And most of is written about Genetics, is only understandable by those in that particular field. In addition to Dayna’s clarification on RNA, it’s also worth knowing that whatever our memories are in life, they don’t effect the germline DNA sequence (according to current genetic understanding), which is the sequence passed onto offspring. Instead, memories are seen as "contained" in the neuronal structure of the brain (according to mainstream science), or "contained" in a non-material medium, such as "spirit", "soul", or "mind" (according to many other belief systems). If I were looking for a carrier of past-life memories, I wouldn’t settle for a simple "coded in the DNA" answer, which would run counter to the basic facts of genetics. Andy
I would like to add something, there is way too much about genetics and DNA that is not known. Just because scientist know how to DNA match, clone and know what certain parts of the DNA strand do, does not mean science has unlocked the mysteries of DNA sequencing or what DNA exactly contains. What really needs to be understood about science (any science) is fact it is 65% Demonstrable Theory (this meaning that the theory works most or some of the time, but there are exception when it doesn’t work), 30% Guess Work, and 5% Fact. So by saying that something would run counter to the basic fact of genetics, is something of a Black Swan fallacy. What we know today about genetics is totally different from what was written just 15 years ago. So while my idea might be wrong, who is to say somewhere down the line, it might be proven right. When one is frightened of the truth . . . then it is never the whole truth that one has an inkling of. – Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951) Austrian philosopher. Notebooks 1914-1916 (ed. by Anscombe, 1961), entry for 15 Oct. 1914. Tony Veca
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Has anyone ever wondered if some of the so-called "false memories" of alien abductions, satanic ritual abuse etc. might not really be distorted memories from pasts lives as animals at the hands of vivisectionists and other forms of animal abuse?
No. But you will find many of them, with the exception of the ‘modernization’ of the characters fit folkloric themes common to fairy tales. (Aarne & Thompson ‘The Types of Folktale’ motif index lists THOUSANDS.) Not the most commonly told top twenty from the Brother’s Grimm (with perhaps the exception of Jack and the Beanstalk), but when you look at the body of what is out there, you will see tales of abduction and threats of physical damage or even death the hero/heroine must win through, often with the help of a minor member of the household of the abductor. Even Inanna’s descent to the underworld from certain Wiccan traditions is a theme in this type of tale. Such things are thought to represent the personification of fear of the unknown, fear of those who have power over your life, and fear of death, fear of sex, fear of loss of control over your own body via illness or other means, and more by psychoanalysts who study the field.
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Hi all, Without wishing to sound supercilious, it’s best not to base an understanding of genetics on a science fiction book! In addition to Dayna’s clarification on RNA, it’s also worth knowing that whatever our memories are in life, they don’t effect the germline DNA sequence (according to current genetic understanding), which is the sequence passed onto offspring. Instead, memories are seen as "contained" in the neuronal structure of the brain (according to mainstream science), or "contained" in a non-material medium, such as "spirit", "soul", or "mind" (according to many other belief systems). If I were looking for a carrier of past-life memories, I wouldn’t settle for a simple "coded in the DNA" answer, which would run counter to the basic facts of genetics. Andy
The basis of the idea deals with RNA. We all know that DNA is the genetic blue print for our bodies. From what I understand, RNA is the genetic blueprint for how our memories work (feel free to correct me if I am wrong about this, I got from a SCI-fi book, so I don’t know if it right or not).
To sum up, RNA coding is temporary and based entirely on DNA. Clear as mud? Dayna
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