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Diane <djfarmerNOdjS…@sonic.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:0b90d704.8b9d14da@usw-ex0109-070.remarq.com… > Positive symptoms are like seeing a Mule Cat living under a > bridge, and Negative symptoms are like falling into a dark > mental pit.
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Hi Diane, Welcome to the group. I’ve heard that older anti-psychotics (like Haldol) are very sedating and produce a slowed-down sensation. It may not be that Zyprexa is reducing your negative symptoms but rather that you have just gotten away from the sedating effects of Haldol. I believe all anti-psychotics are sedating but the newer (atypical) types are less sedating than the older more classical types. When I was first treated for psychosis I was asked to participate in a blind study where I would be given Risperidone or Haldol but not told which one I was on. The results of the Risperidone group would be compared to the Haldol group to see if Risperidone produced better results than Haldol. I did some quick research (in my psychotic state) and quickly decided that any study with a chance of getting Haldol was not for me. Risperidone just sounded so much better. I’m glad to hear that you are off of the Haldol and that you are feeling better on Zyprexa. Frank. Diane <djfarmerNOdjS…@sonic.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:1ae25248.0fa09eb5@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com… > I’m fairly reclusive myself, so I am glad to have found > this support group… I have only known one other sz > besides for me, and she was in denial of being one even > though she took antipsychotic medication. She was under the > impression that being sz meant that you were a drooling and > babbling vegetable… She also refused to accept that I was > sz…. As for antipsychotic medications – - I am currently > on Zyprexa and feel a lot more awake than I did during the > days of Haldol… I am able to actually get up and do > things rather than just sit on the bed all day staring at > Jerry Springer and the likes… So, I guess that Zyprexa > has reduced my negative symptoms… > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find
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I agree with your definition Damo. Walt did a good job of delineating the "positives" and "negatives" in his original reply. That’s the way I’ve always seen them defined in all of the literature I’ve read. Frank. <damod…@webtv.net> wrote in message news:27314-3889280B-54@storefull-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net…
oh damn I hate to spoil the party and rain on your parade or put dead bodies down your well or be a wet blanket or become one of those "nay sayers". Let alone would I want to give you a bum steer or lead you astray or give you any malarky but…… Lou ? I thought that was negative and positive symptoms too but it snot. Snot snot snot. Positive symptoms are things that are present because of the "disease". Negative symptoms are things that are lacking because of the "disease". I’m sure others will delinate the catagories. Boogiemen are positive symptoms. Going zombie is negative. I ruined your life with this post Lou? Really I thought the same as you. Damo ————————————————————————— —
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - damod…@webtv.net wrote: > oh damn I hate to spoil the party and rain on your parade or put dead > bodies down your well or be a wet blanket or become one of those "nay > sayers". Let alone would I want to give you a bum steer or lead you > astray or give you any malarky but…… > Lou ? > I thought that was negative and positive symptoms too but it snot. Snot > snot snot. > Positive symptoms are things that are present because of the "disease". > Negative symptoms are things that are lacking because of the "disease". > I’m sure others will delinate the catagories. > Boogiemen are positive symptoms. > Going zombie is negative. > I ruined your life with this post Lou? > Really I thought the same as you. > Damo
– Hark. Always need to think "Neandrathal" when being asked about definitions and termonologies and all like that, but it was clearified by the Duck, "Positive symptoms are things that are present because of the "disease". Negative symptoms are things that are lacking because of the "disease"." I have kept some distance from all the scientific lingo since I would probably still be in a rubber room if I depended on science to get the head back togeather again, but these are interesting things to understand so we are tuned in to the same subject or what the other is talking about, but it just never did me any good to know a lot of definitions of things and still miss it all at gut level where the heart is at. A Shrink at the VA hospital in Long Beach, CA was boring us to tears with all the words given for things, just like SZ does not really say anything since we are not all in the same mold, but anyhow, this Shrink was going on and on telling that we have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder because of what our grandparents were packing in their jeans (genes) and I just couldn’t take it any longer and said " Hell doc, kind of late to go dig the sumbitch up and kick his ass for fooling around too much. " never did me any good to know that or what the lastest theory is about it, so I went on to get my life togeather while most of the people are still in the hospital who I was with back in 1993. I think that gut level takes us places where science can never touch or even understand when it comes to depth or dimension, two dimensional stuff just never seems to reach below the surface where we really live and when you have an IQ of 78 then all that sails over the head anyhow an yet I think that gut level folks understand more about human nature and matters of the heart then science will ever know, but still need balance to survive in a two dimensional world or at least being able to get along with robots and what we encounter in our great society and people like those you have to put up with who are jerking you around with double-talk and in a lot of ways controling the quality of your life. Crazy Lou http://www.grizzadam.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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Hi Frank – Yes, Haldol is very sedating. At one point I was only taking one mg. of Haldol and still couldn’t function. Zyprexa has allowed me to do things that I couldn’t have possibly done when I was on Haldol – - I now go to school and have plans to get a job when I’m finished with school. This is not to suggest that all my symptoms are completely under control, because they are not. However, my life has improved. I’m entering middle age and I’m wondering if the improvement could be due to getting older… * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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I can’t answer the question as to whether you’re feeling better because you’re approaching middle age. I’m not there yet. I’ll be 36 in 2 months (maybe that is middle age but I’m not willing to admit it yet). But I am glad to hear you’re feeling much better on Zyprexa than you were on Haldol. I’m not surprised. As I said in my previous post, I’ve heard some bad things about Haldol. Unfortunately I think it is still used far too often because of the increased cost of using newer atypical anti-psychotics. Once again, good for you. Frank. Diane <djfarmerNOdjS…@sonic.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:00091c0e.9f297abe@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com… > Hi Frank – > Yes, Haldol is very sedating. At one point I was only > taking one mg. of Haldol and still couldn’t function. > Zyprexa has allowed me to do things that I couldn’t have > possibly done when I was on Haldol – - I now go to school > and have plans to get a job when I’m finished with school. > This is not to suggest that all my symptoms are completely > under control, because they are not. However, my life has > improved. I’m entering middle age and I’m wondering if the > improvement could be due to getting older… > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find
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Diane <djfarmerNOdjS…@sonic.net.invalid> wrote: > I have a question – what is the difference between negative > and positive symptoms? > Diane
– P.S. A negative symptom would also be something like if I were to begin to seriously entertain the thought that my Voice Recognition program was really something alive with a mind, emotions and will of its own instead of using it to write computer comedy and is defective on purpose. I call the program HAL which is a fitting name. Our last session went this way. Hal is a Speech Recognition program written for the Macintosh and is still a baby. I am trying to have it adjust to my speech rather than how many talk who have teeth and able to pronounce things right, but I don’t have a tooth in my head and Hal must adjust to my way of saying things. Me: OK Hal, time to see if you can learn some N I V (New International Version) and do a Bible study with me. I will write it first and have you examine the file and see if there are more words you need to learn. Doing this stuff with you helps to see how we also grow and develope and seeing how God goes at our pace instead of trying to keep up with Him, but also seeing how we get stretched from time to time, not overdoing it but still stretched beyond our means and have to reach further and learn new things and this is what the study is about. Now, repeat that back to me. Hal: OK Hal, time to see if he can learn some N I V and do a Bible study with me. I will write it first and have you examine the file and see if there are more words he detoured. Doing this stuff with you helps to see how we also grow and develop and seeing how that goes at our pace instead of trying to keep up with Him, but also seeing the how we get stretched to bed to tag, not overdoing it but still stretched beyond our means and have to reach further and learn defames and this is what the study is about. Me: That ain’t what I said Hal, would almost think you are starting to think with your glands like the President, wonder how you came up with that to change the words from time to time, into saying stretched to bed to tag, so let’s do it again. Hal: doing this to live with you helps to see the wells will grow and develop and seeing how God goes in our pace instead of trying to keep up with M, but also see in how we get stretched from time to time, Boca Me: That ain’t right either, what the hell is Boca? Did you invent the bleeping word or is that how you spell a burp? Hal: In Danny Wright eater, but the hell of Balkan? Did you intractably priority areas that have you spell the bird? Abroad Me: Piss on it, ready to take you out of the computer and let you mess with someone else’s head, turning into a bleeping Frankeinstein. Hal: dissonant, big ready to take you out of the computer but UMass was someone else’s kid, the turn and into a bleak but for Liechtenstein. Me: That’s all, out of here, making me crazy, going to have to start all over from scratch. I gave you the bird a few times but I don’t think you were aware of that, but it is frustrating to get you to recognize the way I talk and spell it the way it should be. Hal: that’s all, out of your, it could be crazy, but after start all over from scratch. I gave you the birder few taps but I wrote a key were where but " piss zeroN I T End of session. A positive symptom is if I keep my cool, maintain good common sense and begin to turn all negatives into positives by using them that way, change the direction from backwards to forwards. Crazy Lou http://www.grizzadam.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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Hi – I was diagnosed with schizophrenia 20 years ago. I had years free of symptoms until I underwent major life changes and freaked out. I have been on antipsychotic medication for the last 8 years. Although I am doing better now, I spent a few years unable to get out of bed.. I have a question – what is the difference between negative and positive symptoms? Diane * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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Hi Diane, The term "positive" symptom is based on the notion that these are qualities that schizophrenics have & normals don’t, so they are construed as being "added on" to normal behavior. This means mostly delusions & hallucinations I think. By contrast, a "negative" symptom is something that normals have & schizophrenics don’t, so it is something "subtracted from" normal behavior. This means specifically symptoms like lack of initiative & drive, lack of pleasure from life, absense of social interaction. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Diane wrote: > Hi – > I was diagnosed with schizophrenia 20 years ago. I had > years free of symptoms until I underwent major life changes > and freaked out. I have been on antipsychotic medication > for the last 8 years. Although I am doing better now, I > spent a few years unable to get out of bed.. > I have a question – what is the difference between negative > and positive symptoms? > Diane > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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Thanks Walt for the definitions. I’ve had both types of symptoms… Now mainly negative symptoms. Before I discovered this newsgroup last night I thought I was all alone with my sz… * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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Hi Diane, Yes, I’ve had both types & now have mostly the negatives too. The antipsychotic medications are most effective in controlling positive symptoms. For the newer "atypical" antipsychotics, the drug companies have been claiming that they help with negative symptoms too, but I have tried three atypicals now (Risperdal & Zyprexa & Seroquel) & have noticed no effect on negative symptoms. I will keep trying new ones. I find online forums very helpful, or at least supportive. I discovered that 6 or 7 years ago on the mental health forum on Prodigy. It would be much harder for me to cope without them. I am highly reclusive in real life, & most of my friends are now online. Walt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Diane wrote: > Thanks Walt for the definitions. I’ve had both types of > symptoms… Now mainly negative symptoms. Before I > discovered this newsgroup last night I thought I was all > alone with my sz… > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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I’m fairly reclusive myself, so I am glad to have found this support group… I have only known one other sz besides for me, and she was in denial of being one even though she took antipsychotic medication. She was under the impression that being sz meant that you were a drooling and babbling vegetable… She also refused to accept that I was sz…. As for antipsychotic medications – - I am currently on Zyprexa and feel a lot more awake than I did during the days of Haldol… I am able to actually get up and do things rather than just sit on the bed all day staring at Jerry Springer and the likes… So, I guess that Zyprexa has reduced my negative symptoms… * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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oh damn I hate to spoil the party and rain on your parade or put dead bodies down your well or be a wet blanket or become one of those "nay sayers". Let alone would I want to give you a bum steer or lead you astray or give you any malarky but…… Lou ? I thought that was negative and positive symptoms too but it snot. Snot snot snot. Positive symptoms are things that are present because of the "disease". Negative symptoms are things that are lacking because of the "disease". I’m sure others will delinate the catagories. Boogiemen are positive symptoms. Going zombie is negative. I ruined your life with this post Lou? Really I thought the same as you. Damo
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I like this definition – - it’s easy to understand… "Positive symptoms are things that are present because of the "disease". Negative symptoms are things that are lacking because of the "disease"." Positive symptoms are like seeing a Mule Cat living under a bridge, and Negative symptoms are like falling into a dark mental pit. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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In article <13c10c6e.990a1…@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com>, Diane <djfarmerNOdjS…@sonic.net.invalid> wrote: > Hi – > I was diagnosed with schizophrenia 20 years ago. I had > years free of symptoms until I underwent major life changes > and freaked out. I have been on antipsychotic medication > for the last 8 years. Although I am doing better now, I > spent a few years unable to get out of bed.. > I have a question – what is the difference between negative > and positive symptoms? > Diane
– Negative symptoms can be when we begin to interact with things that are imaginary or delusional as like in dreaming while awake and not seeing things for what they are. The problem is the overlapping of things that are common to a number of mental states like Manic Depression where people just quit on life and afraid of moving forward again because of a loss of all direction and focus and fear takes over and begin to hibernate inside your own mind. A positive symptom is when you begin to reclaim who you are and not being jerked around so much by the helter skelter things that lead to abstract thinking and being out of control when things progress, being able to deal with reality and not avoiding responsibility. We are not responsible for the distorted things that can invade the head, be they demons or whatever, but we are responsible if we allow the abstract stuff to stick around and lay eggs and multiply without opposition or counter attack, best defense is a strong offense and you see good changes when you are not uprooted by the storms due to the roots going deeper in things that are solid and on a good foundation rather than being like a Hollywood prop where you see them moving trees on the stage when setting things up, so must say that we see positive symptoms when we develop a good root system that is the life source of the tree. Crazy Lou http://www.grizzadam.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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