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I found ASAPM

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Through the server that Anna had posted about.  Its very hard to read the : posts.  My server doesnt have the group yet…am hoping it will soon.  I : have put in 3 requests so far.  I dont know how long it takes for : requests… I dont see why they wouldnt add it to the server… some of the : groups on there .. over 30,000 .. are pointless!! : Alt.support.kiss.my.shiny.ass… Yanno???  Whats the point? lol : : Stacy : Hey Stacy.  You’ll have to tell Jeff/Opus I said hello.  And please ask him how much jail time he got for beating up Franky.  And then ask him what type of spineless gal she must be to still be with him!! What a gutless pig he is!!

Now there is a perfect example of why the moderated group was formed! How the hell do you get that out of "I found ASAPM"?  Anger issue? Tono

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In a rare conscious moment, "LoonieLaurie" blurted out: Hey Stacy.  You’ll have to tell Jeff/Opus I said hello.  And please ask him how much jail time he got for beating up Franky.  And then ask him what type of spineless gal she must be to still be with him!! What a gutless pig he is!! Now just who’s taking shots? I wonder why no one points it out? Oh, you’re in the clique, I forgot ;)

We don’t have a charter Elliott. You all ran away because you claimed you were above taking shots remember. When are you going to start proving how much better than us you all are? I’ve been waiting for that proof for over a year now.;-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Got the guts to?  I thought not. BTW, I never once condoned his behavior, but since it was a personal relationship, I begged out, as I always do. One sided information (as it always is), so I never supported him, but didn’t offer ‘any’ advice on the home front. That’s always been my position on such matters. ::pacing back and forth in my 3,000 sq ft. trailor…. lol::

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||||| |||||| |||||| ||||||| The last few posts from Jeff seemed to indicate that he was ||||||| paying lip service to getting help but the underlying tone was ||||||| of a man who didn’t think he was to blame or needed any help. ||||||| He was blaming his girlfriend and her kids. ||||||| ||||||| When you beat your girlfriend, lock her kids out of the house in ||||||| the middle of the night, slap around her 12 year old daughter ||||||| who then runs away, it is YOUR problem and YOURS alone. ||||||| ||||||| If Jeff has accepted this and is actually getting help for his ||||||| anger management problem instead of just paying it lip service, ||||||| then I guess he deserves a second chance. ||||||| If he isn’t getting help then in my view lock him up until he ||||||| see’s the light. |||||| |||||| Gee, I thought the whole point of creating ASAPM was to keep out |||||| the riffraff.  ;-) ||||| ||||| One of the problems I have always had with the Clique is their ||||| willingness to accept, and even enable bad and dangerous behavior ||||| of it’s members as long as that bad behavior was not directed at ||||| them. Even after Jeff admitted slapping the 12 year old girl and ||||| hitting her mother there were still posts of support to him from ||||| clique members telling him what a ‘good’ man he was. ||||| ||||| I found that very strange. |||| |||| If I remember correctly, I think I sent out some encouragement to |||| him as well.  I didnt ever know him well enough to know if he was a |||| good man or not.  Im a dreamer…hoping that everyone that has this |||| problem can rehabilitate and be wonderful. I know that cant happen |||| for the majority of abusers.  The laws need to be more severe.  The |||| police need to stop asking the victim if he/she wants to press |||| charges.  If its obvious that a person has been abused… throw the |||| abuser in jail…maybe have some mean ass inmates show them what |||| its like to gain trust from someone, just to be beat down by that |||| person.  Its a horrible feeling.  The bruises heal.. but the rest |||| of it might remain within… forever. |||| |||| Stacy ||| ||| Well the good thing is now the victim doesn’t have a choice.  If the ||| police are called and see signs of abuse, the abuser is hauled off ||| to jail… period. ||| ||| If someone like Jeff has gotten help, that’s all well and fine, but ||| Franky should have kicked him to the curb permanently. ||| ||| And you’re right about the memory of it remaining within forever.  I ||| went through it.  `Still have dreams about it, and it’s been over 9 ||| years ago. || || I dont think it ever leaves us completely.  My first abuse was 21 || years ago… Im still somewhat affected by it.. but not nearly as || bad as the 2nd one… || || I got the greatest hubby now.  He wouldnt dream of bringing me harm. || He loves me way too much to hurt me! || || Stacy || | | Same here, Stacey.  I truly believe God "sent" Joe to me.  I’ve never | been happier in my entire life!!  :) You are definatly as blessed as I am!

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|| It didnt work.  It || didnt work because he was not convinced there was a problem.  I am || glad I had the strength and the support of my family to get out when || I did. | | So am I Stacy.  I always seem/seemed to gravitate towards abusive | relationships.  I don’t want to go into too much detail but I know | where you and Anna are coming from.  I am so proud of both of you to | have the strength and will to stand up for yourselves.  I know the | memories must haunt you but tomorrow will be better than yesterday:) | Missy HI Missy … It gradually gets better.  I dont have the ton of bricks sitting in the pit of my gut anymore due to absolute fear.  No longer am I told to cover my bruises with makeup so no one would notice the damage.  That part is better for sure! I hate my nightly fear tho, feeling as though Im being watched and hunted down.  He wrote to me from prison a year ago.  We share the same birthday and he thinks that is some sort of sign that we are supposed to be soul mates.  I didnt respond… but before I move from this house, I will write a letter… spewing my venom at him… I think it will make me feel better for him knowing I have nothing for him.. not even the pity he craves!! It is my vengful wish that he is getting it hard, deep and as sideways as possible straight up his poopshoot everyday!

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||||||| ||||||| ||||||| One of the problems I have always had with the Clique is their ||||||| willingness to accept, and even enable bad and dangerous ||||||| behavior of it’s members as long as that bad behavior was not ||||||| directed at them. Even after Jeff admitted slapping the 12 year ||||||| old girl and hitting her mother there were still posts of ||||||| support to him from clique members telling him what a ‘good’ ||||||| man he was. ||||||| ||||||| I found that very strange. |||||| |||||| If I remember correctly, I think I sent out some encouragement to |||||| him as well.  I didnt ever know him well enough to know if he |||||| was a good man or not.  Im a dreamer…hoping that everyone that |||||| has this problem can rehabilitate and be wonderful. I know that |||||| cant happen for the majority of abusers.  The laws need to be |||||| more severe.  The police need to stop asking the victim if |||||| he/she wants to press charges.  If its obvious that a person has |||||| been abused… throw the abuser in jail…maybe have some mean |||||| ass inmates show them what its like to gain trust from someone, |||||| just to be beat down by that person.  Its a horrible feeling. |||||| The bruises heal.. but the rest of it might remain within… |||||| forever. |||||| |||||| Stacy ||||| ||||| Well the good thing is now the victim doesn’t have a choice.  If ||||| the police are called and see signs of abuse, the abuser is ||||| hauled off to jail… period. ||||| ||||| If someone like Jeff has gotten help, that’s all well and fine, ||||| but Franky should have kicked him to the curb permanently. ||||| ||||| And you’re right about the memory of it remaining within forever. ||||| I went through it.  `Still have dreams about it, and it’s been ||||| over 9 years ago. |||| |||| I dont think it ever leaves us completely.  My first abuse was 21 |||| years ago… Im still somewhat affected by it.. but not nearly as |||| bad as the 2nd one… |||| |||| I got the greatest hubby now.  He wouldnt dream of bringing me |||| harm. He loves me way too much to hurt me! |||| |||| Stacy |||| ||| ||| Same here, Stacey.  I truly believe God "sent" Joe to me.  I’ve ||| never been happier in my entire life!!  :) || || You are definatly as blessed as I am! || | | Yep.  Sometimes I think it was all worth it because of Joe, but then | again a lot of my problems are a result from the last husband.  How I | would give anything to have never met him!!!  That’s one thing about | moving away from Florida and up here with Joe, I finally feel safe. I feel the same way.. I had to travel the roads I did in order for them to lead me to Bruce.  Funny thing is Ive known Bruce since I was about 16.  I would have never thought in a billion years he would have been the one. Once we move to Indiana and the abuser has no clue where I am… I will feel much better

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|| Hi Anna, || || Thanks for your response. || || I tried therapy when I was married to my first abuser.  It didnt || work.  It didnt work because he was not convinced there was a || problem.  I am glad I had the strength and the support of my family || to get out when I did. || || The last one was a short lived relationship but a powerful one.  He || was a convicted murderer, 11 years my junior.  We lived together for || 5 months and in that 5 months I was as low as a person could || possibly get.  If I did not do what he wanted, I had to pay the || price.  My children were in clear danger… especially my daughter || Jennifer, who would never bow down to my abuser.  The kids didnt || know I was being phycially abused.  Jennifer was never and never || will be one to be victimized by someone as manipulative as that. || She see’s right through these people. || || I still have nightmares about this abuser.. and every night while I || lay in bed, I feel like he is watching me, and waiting for his || chance to finally do me in… this is knowing he is in prison for || the rest of his pathetic life. I honestly hate the man… but will || always fear him.  He had me convinced that he knew my every thought || and move.  I still feel he can "hear my thoughts" …. sick huh? || || Stacy | |  No not sick at all ! Just very natural response on such a clearly | traumatic event. I am very sorry you had to go throught this Stacy. | It will be part of your life one way or another. | | You are your own person now,something to be proud of. | In time when memories get less vivid the part he take in your memory | will lessen,but it will always be a scarfe. | | Do you have a good terapist to work with ? | | Take care from Anna No, I dont see a therapist over this. I never have.  I know what it was, and I know the illness because I have lived with it by way of others and I got myself as educated as possible about it.  I wonder if my experience with abuse has made me the self determined person I am?  I am so adament on not being a robot.. not being manipulated… and taking charge.  For instance…. My granddaughters father one time threatened to take my granddaughter away from me…. (he was 16… ) … I showed him the door and told him.. shes your kid.. leave if you feel you must.  Dont ever use my grandchild against me, because it will not work.  He didnt leave… LOL… I just cant be treated like that anymore… its done.  I feel Ive learned so much from my experiences…. not that I should have had to go through it, no one should… but I feel I am stronger, even though inside Im jello and still have those underlying fears … but you are right.. in time they will get to be smaller… My therapy now… is writing the account of my life based on those things … I would like to publish it someday! Stacy

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|| || ||| Through the server that Anna had posted about.  Its very hard to ||| read the posts.  My server doesnt have the group yet…am hoping it ||| will soon.  I have put in 3 requests so far.  I dont know how long ||| it takes for requests… I dont see why they wouldnt add it to the ||| server… some of the groups on there .. over 30,000 .. are ||| pointless!! Alt.support.kiss.my.shiny.ass… Yanno???  Whats the ||| point? lol ||| || || Stacy add this server to your OE || allnews.readfreenews.net || | | Thanks bob, I tried it and yes it does work. I’m glad Chip has found a | nice and safe neighborhood to jog in. :-D I was thinking that very thing.  I was honestly concerned about him after he posted to the group that anyone that talked to Elliot would be blocked.. then Chip just disappeared.

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As you might see, I have a huge problem with domestic violence and things. I also have post traumatic stress disorder due to the last abuser I had in my life… and when I say LAST, I mean it.  No one will ever do it again, I can garuntee it. Stacy

Hello Stacy I won’t go into details. My life was filled with abuse from the time I was little. I lived my life up till 10 years ago in great denial. Then when I came aware I was very angry and spitefull. I found a therapist who worked with me for many years and now I *know* this things belong to the past ! I have PTSD PAD OCD. But still I *love* my life dearly :-) Take care from Anna

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|| As you might see, I have a huge problem with domestic violence and || things. I also have post traumatic stress disorder due to the last || abuser I had in my life… and when I say LAST, I mean it.  No one || will ever do it again, I can garuntee it. || || Stacy | | Hello Stacy I won’t go into details. My life was filled with abuse | from the time I was little. I lived my life up till 10 years ago in | great denial. Then when I came aware I was very angry and spitefull. | I found a therapist who worked with me for many years and now | I *know* this things belong to the past ! I have PTSD PAD OCD. | But still I *love* my life dearly :-) | | Take care from Anna Hi Anna, Thanks for your response. I tried therapy when I was married to my first abuser.  It didnt work.  It didnt work because he was not convinced there was a problem.  I am glad I had the strength and the support of my family to get out when I did. The last one was a short lived relationship but a powerful one.  He was a convicted murderer, 11 years my junior.  We lived together for 5 months and in that 5 months I was as low as a person could possibly get.  If I did not do what he wanted, I had to pay the price.  My children were in clear danger… especially my daughter Jennifer, who would never bow down to my abuser.  The kids didnt know I was being phycially abused.  Jennifer was never and never will be one to be victimized by someone as manipulative as that.  She see’s right through these people. I still have nightmares about this abuser.. and every night while I lay in bed, I feel like he is watching me, and waiting for his chance to finally do me in… this is knowing he is in prison for the rest of his pathetic life. I honestly hate the man… but will always fear him.  He had me convinced that he knew my every thought and move.  I still feel he can "hear my thoughts" …. sick huh? Stacy

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||| |||| |||| ||||| The last few posts from Jeff seemed to indicate that he was paying ||||| lip service to getting help but the underlying tone was of a man ||||| who didn’t think he was to blame or needed any help. He was ||||| blaming his girlfriend and her kids. ||||| ||||| When you beat your girlfriend, lock her kids out of the house in ||||| the middle of the night, slap around her 12 year old daughter who ||||| then runs away, it is YOUR problem and YOURS alone. ||||| ||||| If Jeff has accepted this and is actually getting help for his ||||| anger management problem instead of just paying it lip service, ||||| then I guess he deserves a second chance. ||||| If he isn’t getting help then in my view lock him up until he ||||| see’s the light. |||| |||| Gee, I thought the whole point of creating ASAPM was to keep out |||| the riffraff.  ;-) ||| ||| One of the problems I have always had with the Clique is their ||| willingness to accept, and even enable bad and dangerous behavior of ||| it’s members as long as that bad behavior was not directed at them. ||| Even after Jeff admitted slapping the 12 year old girl and hitting ||| her mother there were still posts of support to him from clique ||| members telling him what a ‘good’ man he was. ||| ||| I found that very strange. || || If I remember correctly, I think I sent out some encouragement to || him as well.  I didnt ever know him well enough to know if he was a || good man or not.  Im a dreamer…hoping that everyone that has this || problem can rehabilitate and be wonderful. I know that cant happen || for the majority of abusers.  The laws need to be more severe.  The || police need to stop asking the victim if he/she wants to press || charges.  If its obvious that a person has been abused… throw the || abuser in jail…maybe have some mean ass inmates show them what its || like to gain trust from someone, just to be beat down by that || person.  Its a horrible feeling.  The bruises heal.. but the rest of || it might remain within… forever. || || Stacy | | Well the good thing is now the victim doesn’t have a choice.  If the | police are called and see signs of abuse, the abuser is hauled off to | jail… period. | | If someone like Jeff has gotten help, that’s all well and fine, but | Franky should have kicked him to the curb permanently. | | And you’re right about the memory of it remaining within forever.  I | went through it.  `Still have dreams about it, and it’s been over 9 | years ago. I dont think it ever leaves us completely.  My first abuse was 21 years ago… Im still somewhat affected by it.. but not nearly as bad as the 2nd one… I got the greatest hubby now.  He wouldnt dream of bringing me harm.  He loves me way too much to hurt me! Stacy

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It didnt work.  It didnt work because he was not convinced there was a problem.  I am glad I had the strength and the support of my family to get out when I did.

So am I Stacy.  I always seem/seemed to gravitate towards abusive relationships.  I don’t want to go into too much detail but I know where you and Anna are coming from.  I am so proud of both of you to have the strength and will to stand up for yourselves.  I know the memories must haunt you but tomorrow will be better than yesterday:) Missy

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| … || || My therapy now… is writing the account of my life based on those || things … I would like to publish it someday! || || Stacy | | Great idea Stacy, not just as therapy. The publication of your | insight and resilience may inspire others. | love Meryl Ive thought the very same thing.  What I do have writen down is fictious characters and story plots .. but with my personal experience behind all the plots.  Its pretty deep… it has to do with my abuse as well as an experience I had with a cult … Im fortunate to have gotten away from both problems. Stacy

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… My therapy now… is writing the account of my life based on those things … I would like to publish it someday! Stacy

Great idea Stacy, not just as therapy. The publication of your insight and resilience may inspire others. love Meryl

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Anna, Thanks for your response. I tried therapy when I was married to my first abuser.  It didnt work.  It didnt work because he was not convinced there was a problem.  I am glad I had the strength and the support of my family to get out when I did. The last one was a short lived relationship but a powerful one.  He was a convicted murderer, 11 years my junior.  We lived together for 5 months and in that 5 months I was as low as a person could possibly get.  If I did not do what he wanted, I had to pay the price.  My children were in clear danger… especially my daughter Jennifer, who would never bow down to my abuser.  The kids didnt know I was being phycially abused.  Jennifer was never and never will be one to be victimized by someone as manipulative as that.  She see’s right through these people. I still have nightmares about this abuser.. and every night while I lay in bed, I feel like he is watching me, and waiting for his chance to finally do me in… this is knowing he is in prison for the rest of his pathetic life. I honestly hate the man… but will always fear him.  He had me convinced that he knew my every thought and move.  I still feel he can "hear my thoughts" …. sick huh? Stacy

 No not sick at all ! Just very natural response on such a clearly traumatic event. I am very sorry you had to go throught this Stacy. It will be part of your life one way or another. You are your own person now,something to be proud of. In time when memories get less vivid the part he take in your memory will lessen,but it will always be a scarfe. Do you have a good terapist to work with ? Take care from Anna

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Through the server that Anna had posted about.  Its very hard to read the posts.  My server doesnt have the group yet…am hoping it will soon.  I have put in 3 requests so far.  I dont know how long it takes for requests… I dont see why they wouldnt add it to the server… some of the groups on there .. over 30,000 .. are pointless!! Alt.support.kiss.my.shiny.ass… Yanno???  Whats the point? lol Stacy add this server to your OE allnews.readfreenews.net

Thanks bob, I tried it and yes it does work. I’m glad Chip has found a nice and safe neighborhood to jog in. :-D

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The last few posts from Jeff seemed to indicate that he was paying lip service to getting help but the underlying tone was of a man who didn’t think he was to blame or needed any help. He was blaming his girlfriend and her kids. When you beat your girlfriend, lock her kids out of the house in the middle of the night, slap around her 12 year old daughter who then runs away, it is YOUR problem and YOURS alone. If Jeff has accepted this and is actually getting help for his anger management problem instead of just paying it lip service, then I guess he deserves a second chance. If he isn’t getting help then in my view lock him up until he see’s the light.

Gee, I thought the whole point of creating ASAPM was to keep out the riffraff.  ;-)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The last few posts from Jeff seemed to indicate that he was paying lip service to getting help but the underlying tone was of a man who didn’t think he was to blame or needed any help. He was blaming his girlfriend and her kids. When you beat your girlfriend, lock her kids out of the house in the middle of the night, slap around her 12 year old daughter who then runs away, it is YOUR problem and YOURS alone. If Jeff has accepted this and is actually getting help for his anger management problem instead of just paying it lip service, then I guess he deserves a second chance. If he isn’t getting help then in my view lock him up until he see’s the light. Gee, I thought the whole point of creating ASAPM was to keep out the riffraff.  ;-)

One of the problems I have always had with the Clique is their willingness to accept, and even enable bad and dangerous behavior of it’s members as long as that bad behavior was not directed at them. Even after Jeff admitted slapping the 12 year old girl and hitting her mother there were still posts of support to him from clique members telling him what a ‘good’ man he was. I found that very strange.

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| || || ||| The last few posts from Jeff seemed to indicate that he was paying ||| lip service to getting help but the underlying tone was of a man ||| who didn’t think he was to blame or needed any help. He was blaming ||| his girlfriend and her kids. ||| ||| When you beat your girlfriend, lock her kids out of the house in ||| the middle of the night, slap around her 12 year old daughter who ||| then runs away, it is YOUR problem and YOURS alone. ||| ||| If Jeff has accepted this and is actually getting help for his ||| anger management problem instead of just paying it lip service, ||| then I guess he deserves a second chance. ||| If he isn’t getting help then in my view lock him up until he see’s ||| the light. || || Gee, I thought the whole point of creating ASAPM was to keep out the || riffraff.  ;-) | | One of the problems I have always had with the Clique is their | willingness to accept, and even enable bad and dangerous behavior of | it’s members as long as that bad behavior was not directed at them. | Even after Jeff admitted slapping the 12 year old girl and hitting | her mother there were still posts of support to him from clique | members telling him what a ‘good’ man he was. | | I found that very strange. If I remember correctly, I think I sent out some encouragement to him as well.  I didnt ever know him well enough to know if he was a good man or not.  Im a dreamer…hoping that everyone that has this problem can rehabilitate and be wonderful. I know that cant happen for the majority of abusers.  The laws need to be more severe.  The police need to stop asking the victim if he/she wants to press charges.  If its obvious that a person has been abused… throw the abuser in jail…maybe have some mean ass inmates show them what its like to gain trust from someone, just to be beat down by that person.  Its a horrible feeling.  The bruises heal.. but the rest of it might remain within… forever. Stacy

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|||| Through the server that Anna had posted about.  Its very hard to |||| read the posts.  My server doesnt have the group yet…am hoping it |||| will soon.  I have put in 3 requests so far.  I dont know how long |||| it takes for requests… I dont see why they wouldnt add it to the |||| server… some of the groups on there .. over 30,000 .. are |||| pointless!! Alt.support.kiss.my.shiny.ass… Yanno???  Whats the |||| point? lol |||| |||| Stacy |||| ||| ||| Hey Stacy.  You’ll have to tell Jeff/Opus I said hello.  And please ||| ask him how much jail time he got for beating up Franky.  And then ||| ask him what type of spineless gal she must be to still be with ||| him!! ||| ||| What a gutless pig he is!! || || Ohhh… I saw posts from him…. I didnt realize it was the same || person.  I am an abuse survivor times 2! | | The last few posts from Jeff seemed to indicate that he was paying | lip service to getting help but the underlying tone was of a man who | didn’t think he was to blame or needed any help. He was blaming his | girlfriend and her kids. | | When you beat your girlfriend, lock her kids out of the house in the | middle of the night, slap around her 12 year old daughter who then | runs away, it is YOUR problem and YOURS alone. | | If Jeff has accepted this and is actually getting help for his anger | management problem instead of just paying it lip service, then I | guess he deserves a second chance. | If he isn’t getting help then in my view lock him up until he see’s | the light. I couldnt agree more.  I remember reading Jeffs posts last year about his problems with his girlfriend and kids.  He seemed so sincere, but until he can take 100% of the blame ( this goes for any abuser) he will never get the help he desperately needs. There is absolultely NO excuse to physically or mentally harm anyone in anyway… especially those one claims to love.  What an oxymoron that is. As you might see, I have a huge problem with domestic violence and things. I also have post traumatic stress disorder due to the last abuser I had in my life… and when I say LAST, I mean it.  No one will ever do it again, I can garuntee it. Stacy | || I cant believe I allowed it to happen to me || twice by 2 different men.  The last one was the dangerous one.. I || and my children are very lucky to have survived the ordeal.  My || abuser is in prison for life with no possibility of any freedom for || at least 32 years… and thats the soonest he could be paroled.  I || thank God everyday! || || As an abuse survivor, I have some anger issues about it…. but on || the whole other side of the spectrum, I feel sorry for these people. || They are so mentally sick.  I dont know if there is any help || available for them to where they can be cured of their issues… If || they say there is, I sure wouldnt trust it.  Its sad, but its true. || || I probably wont post over there Laurie.  I didnt feel welcome on || this group, I certainly wont feel welcome over there.  I found || myself sounding like a whiney little asshole most of the time… || worried about myself and not being of much support to others, || although I think I did support others in certain cases. || || I like the "trolls" around here… never considered them trolls.. but || because I dont have a problem with them, some have a problem with || me…over my own feelings and opinions.  I cant get past that for || some reason. || || Anyway… :D  Hope all is well with you!  How was your Easter?  Mine || was uneventful which is always a blessing :)

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Through the server that Anna had posted about.  Its very hard to read the posts.  My server doesnt have the group yet…am hoping it will soon.  I have put in 3 requests so far.  I dont know how long it takes for requests… I dont see why they wouldnt add it to the server… some of the groups on there .. over 30,000 .. are pointless!! Alt.support.kiss.my.shiny.ass… Yanno???  Whats the point? lol Stacy

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Through the server that Anna had posted about.  Its very hard to read the posts.  My server doesnt have the group yet…am hoping it will soon.  I have put in 3 requests so far.  I dont know how long it takes for requests… I dont see why they wouldnt add it to the server… some of the groups on there .. over 30,000 .. are pointless!! Alt.support.kiss.my.shiny.ass… Yanno???  Whats the point? lol

Stacy add this server to your OE allnews.readfreenews.net It is read only (you can’t post) so you don’t have to sign up or anything. Just set it up (it will take only a minute to be up and running) and you can read the posts in OE like you normally do. It is an excellent read only server that gets all the posts very quickly. It’s a great server to have just in case yours might be missing posts you can quickly compare. If you need help get back to me.

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|| Through the server that Anna had posted about.  Its very hard to || read the posts.  My server doesnt have the group yet…am hoping it || will soon.  I have put in 3 requests so far.  I dont know how long || it takes for requests… I dont see why they wouldnt add it to the || server… some of the groups on there .. over 30,000 .. are || pointless!! Alt.support.kiss.my.shiny.ass… Yanno???  Whats the || point? lol || || Stacy || | | Hey Stacy.  You’ll have to tell Jeff/Opus I said hello.  And please | ask him how much jail time he got for beating up Franky.  And then | ask him what type of spineless gal she must be to still be with him!! | | What a gutless pig he is!! Ohhh… I saw posts from him…. I didnt realize it was the same person.  I am an abuse survivor times 2!   I cant believe I allowed it to happen to me twice by 2 different men.  The last one was the dangerous one.. I and my children are very lucky to have survived the ordeal.  My abuser is in prison for life with no possibility of any freedom for at least 32 years… and thats the soonest he could be paroled.  I thank God everyday! As an abuse survivor, I have some anger issues about it…. but on the whole other side of the spectrum, I feel sorry for these people.  They are so mentally sick.  I dont know if there is any help available for them to where they can be cured of their issues… If they say there is, I sure wouldnt trust it.  Its sad, but its true. I probably wont post over there Laurie.  I didnt feel welcome on this group, I certainly wont feel welcome over there.  I found myself sounding like a whiney little asshole most of the time… worried about myself and not being of much support to others, although I think I did support others in certain cases. I like the "trolls" around here… never considered them trolls.. but because I dont have a problem with them, some have a problem with me…over my own feelings and opinions.  I cant get past that for some reason. Anyway… :D  Hope all is well with you!  How was your Easter?  Mine was uneventful which is always a blessing :)

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| || Through the server that Anna had posted about.  Its very hard to || read the posts.  My server doesnt have the group yet…am hoping it || will soon.  I have put in 3 requests so far.  I dont know how long || it takes for requests… I dont see why they wouldnt add it to the || server… some of the groups on there .. over 30,000 .. are || pointless!! Alt.support.kiss.my.shiny.ass… Yanno???  Whats the || point? lol || | Stacy add this server to your OE | allnews.readfreenews.net | | It is read only (you can’t post) so you don’t have to sign up or | anything. Just set it up (it will take only a minute to be up and | running) and you can read the posts in OE like you normally do. | It is an excellent read only server that gets all the posts very | quickly. It’s a great server to have just in case yours might be | missing posts you can quickly compare. | | If you need help get back to me. It worked!!!  Thank you so much :) Stacy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | X-no-archive: yes | || Through the server that Anna had posted about.  Its very hard to || read the posts.  My server doesnt have the group yet…am hoping it || will soon.  I have put in 3 requests so far.  I dont know how long || it takes for requests… I dont see why they wouldnt add it to the || server… some of the groups on there .. over 30,000 .. are || pointless!! Alt.support.kiss.my.shiny.ass… Yanno???  Whats the || point? lol || || Stacy || | | Hey Stacy.  You’ll have to tell Jeff/Opus I said hello.  And please | ask him how much jail time he got for beating up Franky.  And then | ask him what type of spineless gal she must be to still be with him!! | | What a gutless pig he is!! Ohhh… I saw posts from him…. I didnt realize it was the same person.  I am an abuse survivor times 2!  

The last few posts from Jeff seemed to indicate that he was paying lip service to getting help but the underlying tone was of a man who didn’t think he was to blame or needed any help. He was blaming his girlfriend and her kids. When you beat your girlfriend, lock her kids out of the house in the middle of the night, slap around her 12 year old daughter who then runs away, it is YOUR problem and YOURS alone. If Jeff has accepted this and is actually getting help for his anger management problem instead of just paying it lip service, then I guess he deserves a second chance. If he isn’t getting help then in my view lock him up until he see’s the light. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I cant believe I allowed it to happen to me twice by 2 different men.  The last one was the dangerous one.. I and my children are very lucky to have survived the ordeal.  My abuser is in prison for life with no possibility of any freedom for at least 32 years… and thats the soonest he could be paroled.  I thank God everyday! As an abuse survivor, I have some anger issues about it…. but on the whole other side of the spectrum, I feel sorry for these people.  They are so mentally sick.  I dont know if there is any help available for them to where they can be cured of their issues… If they say there is, I sure wouldnt trust it.  Its sad, but its true. I probably wont post over there Laurie.  I didnt feel welcome on this group, I certainly wont feel welcome over there.  I found myself sounding like a whiney little asshole most of the time… worried about myself and not being of much support to others, although I think I did support others in certain cases. I like the "trolls" around here… never considered them trolls.. but because I dont have a problem with them, some have a problem with me…over my own feelings and opinions.  I cant get past that for some reason. Anyway… :D  Hope all is well with you!  How was your Easter?  Mine was uneventful which is always a blessing :)

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