Question:
I’m sorry Pat, I was thinking out loud. I’m an alcoholic and I’ve studied what’s called The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. The guidelines in this book has helped me deal with my T2 Diabetes and the importance of the changes I MUST make in my life. If you have any other questions regarding this post, I’d prefer to use emails.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ??? Sorry ??? I suppose this is a humorous reference, but I don’t get it??? The Big Book. (Sorry, couldn’t help it) Some are only theories, I suppose, based on my tendency to want everything to be related to everything else. Are there any studies about the relationships among the following as a kind of syndrome??? Bi-Polar/Alcoholism/Diabetes/hypo-and hyperglycemia???? — =======Pat======= =====Durkin======
Response:
(love your poetry!) thank you girl friend, at least that is what i presume from your name.
Yes, of melynda, mel (miel as stressed syllable)= honey linda =lovely i was first diagnosed bipolar one post traumatic stress disorder immuno system suppressed in ninety seven or so having been diagnosed a myriad of categories by all the psychiatrists in a five county region. i first tried to commit suicide by running away
Yes, I have 2-3-5 ??? cousins, all female , who have attempted suicide. the most serious, I suppose is one who now has about 5 diseases/ complaints, MS, fibromyalgia, diabetes, sleep apnea, all those various blood things: cholesterol, etc., had carpal tunnel surgery a couple of years ago, is only mid 50’s. victim of severe child sexual abuse (both parents and a brother). Two of her brothers have histories of alcoholism and child sexual abuse. my own sister is just now emerging as a person who can play and enjoy being alone with her daemons after almost thirty years lost to alcohol abuse.
My sister in question only occasionally has flashes of wit. Her soulmate sister died in 1970, complications of exposure. I have always felt the survivor has guilt feelings, and has become a much more easily defeated person…never recovering from the grief. a number of the medications used in diabetic neuropathy such as elavil, tegretol, carbatrol, trileptal, neurontin are effective against depressive episodes in diabetics.
Good to hear my sister may have gotten something from her medications, even if they are probably 50% responsible for her extreme weight. I was looking at estrogen and Est. replacement for an explanation for how late she developed diabetes, considering the weight gain and family patterns. by some mechanism as yet not well understood treating for depressive episodes helps assist in the regulation of blood glucose, bringing hm a 1 c readings into a good range.
I will have to find out her A1c number. Bet I can top hers, since I was diagnosed diabetic 2 weeks ago . trileptal is a new medication, which does not interfere with pscytochrome 450 metabolism speling off here unlike tegretol or carbatrol. it may possibly help with cognitive impairments such as memory lapses correlated with chronic illness. it along with neurontin also known as gabapentin are lifesavers for me. hope what i have writ helps someone find coping tools which assist, m in a candide moment
LOL certainly have helped me with new ideas. Thanks again. Wish I could respond in kind. And I look forward to the separate post. (my "good " email address below: — =======Pat======= =====Durkin====== – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — melynda reid who wears hats but does not type caps as she hates to commit a capital offense i remain a shy and retiring artist without portfolio seriously seeking homeo stasis oh whither art thou homeo??? the over forty wicked wackey mermaid revue has just begun. stay attuned for the next episode..
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Thanks, Mel. I will look up the manic newsgroup, and that journal. (love your poetry!)
thank you girl friend, at least that is what i presume from your name. my parents almost named me patricia, short for tricia, but they felt that pat flatt was a mite too pert for their peculiar tastes. besides my mother gave me a spanish speling of melynda, with claire after claire bloom, who in the opinion of my mother was the most beautiful actress she herself had ever seen. for you i will post a lyric poem i wrote during a breakdune, naturally in a separate post as i do place caps in all sorts of places speling exchequers do not permit in prose. my bp was/is probably very mild, causing only a touch more unpleasantness than the average teener, but a whole lot of paranoia. My mild anxiety/manic states hit under the stress of public speaking, etc. But like most people, I just let those aspects of my personality determine my job, etc. I didn’t get myself trapped in a marriage or a job that I couldn’t leave. But I do see others getting trapped, and breaking down, and trying suicide, or …. well, maybe support people and counseling are helping the ones I don’t see!!!
i was first diagnosed bipolar one post traumatic stress disorder immuno system suppressed in ninety seven or so having been diagnosed a myriad of categories by all the psychiatrists in a five county region. i first tried to commit suicide by running away from hume in the snow but because at the age of eight i had been told never to cross a macadamed surface by myself i ran into neighbours who took me in for months at a time, sometiimes a year or more. i lived in a close knit community wherein the women in the neighbourhood shared child rearing and the men worked at soul satisfying occupations. my paternal grandmother s father died a suicide at her birth. she in turn became depressed when she burnt the toast, and cried and cried. she was the mother of two children, and never recognised either of them after her first suicide attempt in her mid thirties. my own sister is just now emerging as a person who can play and enjoy being alone with her daemons after almost thirty years lost to alcohol abuse. she now seems happy almost joyful. i still worry about her welfare as we were tittie kitties who had our own private language. a number of the medications used in diabetic neuropathy such as elavil, tegretol, carbatrol, trileptal, neurontin are effective against depressive episodes in diabetics. by some mechanism as yet not well understood treating for depressive episodes helps assist in the regulation of blood glucose, bringing hm a 1 c readings into a good range. i think anyone facing a disease as oft betimes as cruel as diabetes or bipolar can be should obtain the best doctors, ones equipped to listen well, even if that means firing some doctors who are afraid of failing their patients and thus feign omnipotence. i must confess i tend to hire doctors at least ten to twenty five years aulder than me because they are generally retiring from active practices and thus have more time to listen to subtle cues. trileptal is a new medication, which does not interfere with pscytochrome 450 metabolism speling off here unlike tegretol or carbatrol. it may possibly help with cognitive impairments such as memory lapses correlated with chronic illness. it along with neurontin also known as gabapentin are lifesavers for me. hope what i have writ helps someone find coping tools which assist, m in a candide moment — melynda reid who wears hats but does not type caps as she hates to commit a capital offense i remain a shy and retiring artist without portfolio seriously seeking homeo stasis oh whither art thou homeo??? the over forty wicked wackey mermaid revue has just begun. stay attuned for the next episode..
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Thanks, Mel. I will look up the manic newsgroup, and that journal. (love your poetry!)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are there any studies about the relationships among the following as a kind of syndrome??? Bi-Polar/Alcoholism/Diabetes/hypo-and hyperglycemia???? yes search for lyndanp in soc.support.depression.manic for her posts on dual diagnosis alcoholism manic depressive as well as diabetes group j.w mills posting on same linkages expect flames no matter what you post or look at journal of affective disorders for recent issues not repeat coerced textbook medical text on manic depression coauthored by lithium responsive brilliant writer kay redfield jameson. her co author forgets the large group of bipolars who are not lithium responsive but instead are insulin resistant mixed ethnicity…..
aha!!!! so I am after that journal. the usenet manic depression support group is in middle of nasty nasty flame festival roasting lyndanp, zardos and other bipolars who are or were alcohol abusers ask lyndanp or peter amsel the links you are seeking. m not an alcohol abuser instead dying of grief not enough laughter manic depressive spouse of type 1 insulin dependent diabetic who grows silent in the presence of strangers and or ambulances or anyone i do not know how to listen to carefully first
my bp was/is probably very mild, causing only a touch more unpleasantness than the average teener, but a whole lot of paranoia. My mild anxiety/manic states hit under the stress of public speaking, etc. But like most people, I just let those aspects of my personality determine my job, etc. I didn’t get myself trapped in a marriage or a job that I couldn’t leave. But I do see others getting trapped, and breaking down, and trying suicide, or …. well, maybe support people and counseling are helping the ones I don’t see!!!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are there any studies about the relationships among the following as a kind of syndrome??? Bi-Polar/Alcoholism/Diabetes/hypo-and hyperglycemia???? Bi-polar – alcoholism: I am a support person for family bi-polars, some of whom are alcoholics. I read a psychology textbook in 1987 which asserted that 85% of bi-polars (at the unknown time of the writing) became alcoholic. They did so because before lithium, depakote and paxil, there was essentially no good treatment for bi-polar so they treated themselves with the only over-the-counter med they could find. . .alcohol! They have told me that they were faced with a choice between death and alcohol and chose alcohol even though they knew that the alcohol would kill them sooner or later. They chose death in the future over death in the present.
Hate to tell you how many near relatives take that route, even today. The thought of self-discipline in foregoing alcohol, or sweets, seems to be a part of the self-destructive elements in bi-polar people. related questions…. do the low periods correspond to low BG’s?? do the manic sessions correspond to high BG’s ??? I have a nephew who cycles acute (psychotic) BP about 1 every 2 years, while his mother is chronic, and only needs hospitalization every 5 years or so. She was diagnosed at about age 40 and he at about 18 yrs. She is now , after gall bladder surgery, 60 yrs old and on Glucophage. She drinks beer when she can, never gets "drunk" but I am sure the steady drinking affects her medications. (Haven’t seen her since the diabetes diagnosis… may actually be denying herself beer now… but I wouldn’t bet on it.) I know bi-polars who were not diagnosed or treated until their 30’s and 40’s.
Any studies relating to diabetes??? among those BP’s?? Among my maternal relatives… many many bipolars and alcoholics, and depending on age, and weight, are becoming diabetic. (My great grandmother , 1847 immigrant from Luxembourg, died of diabetic complications.) — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Old Al (T?? since 94, 32 units H + U via 4 injections daily) A retired engineer who shares his experiences Before you buy.
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The Big Book. (Sorry, couldn’t help it) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some are only theories, I suppose, based on my tendency to want everything to be related to everything else. Are there any studies about the relationships among the following as a kind of syndrome??? Bi-Polar/Alcoholism/Diabetes/hypo-and hyperglycemia???? — =======Pat======= =====Durkin======
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??? Sorry ??? I suppose this is a humorous reference, but I don’t get it???
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Big Book. (Sorry, couldn’t help it) Some are only theories, I suppose, based on my tendency to want everything to be related to everything else. Are there any studies about the relationships among the following as a kind of syndrome??? Bi-Polar/Alcoholism/Diabetes/hypo-and hyperglycemia???? — =======Pat======= =====Durkin======
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Are there any studies about the relationships among the following as a kind of syndrome??? Bi-Polar/Alcoholism/Diabetes/hypo-and hyperglycemia????
yes search for lyndanp in soc.support.depression.manic for her posts on dual diagnosis alcoholism manic depressive as well as diabetes group j.w mills posting on same linkages expect flames no matter what you post or look at journal of affective disorders for recent issues not repeat coerced textbook medical text on manic depression coauthored by lithium responsive brilliant writer kay redfield jameson. her co author forgets the large group of bipolars who are not lithium responsive but instead are insulin resistant mixed ethnicity….. the usenet manic depression support group is in middle of nasty nasty flame festival roasting lyndanp, zardos and other bipolars who are or were alcohol abusers ask lyndanp or peter amsel the links you are seeking. m not an alcohol abuser instead dying of grief not enough laughter manic depressive spouse of type 1 insulin dependent diabetic who grows silent in the presence of strangers and or ambulances or anyone i do not know how to listen to carefully first — melynda reid who wears hats but does not type caps as she hates to commit a capital offense i remain a shy and retiring artist without portfolio seriously seeking homeo stasis oh whither art thou homeo??? the over forty wicked wackey mermaid revue has just begun. stay attuned for the next episode..
Response:
Some are only theories, I suppose, based on my tendency to want everything to be related to everything else. Are there any studies about the relationships among the following as a kind of syndrome??? Bi-Polar/Alcoholism/Diabetes/hypo-and hyperglycemia???? — =======Pat======= =====Durkin======
Response:
Some are only theories, I suppose, based on my tendency to want everything to be related to everything else. Are there any studies about the relationships among the following as a kind of syndrome??? Bi-Polar/Alcoholism/Diabetes/hypo-and hyperglycemia???? — =======Pat======= =====Durkin======
Bi-polar – alcoholism: I am a support person for family bi-polars, some of whom are alcoholics. I read a psychology textbook in 1987 which asserted that 85% of bi-polars (at the unknown time of the writing) became alcoholic. They did so because before lithium, depakote and paxil, there was essentially no good treatment for bi-polar so they treated themselves with the only over-the-counter med they could find. . .alcohol! They have told me that they were faced with a choice between death and alcohol and chose alcohol even though they knew that the alcohol would kill them sooner or later. They chose death in the future over death in the present. I know bi-polars who were not diagnosed or treated until their 30’s and 40’s. — Old Al (T?? since 94, 32 units H + U via 4 injections daily) A retired engineer who shares his experiences Before you buy.
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