Trauma – PTSD

Question:

::Suicide "is uncommon but serious," Fergusson said in an

interview.:: and suicide and drug addictions are listed as ’side effects’… how sick is THAT ! also, there are NO documented success results, but many documented ’side effects’… and these pills are handed out with reckless abandon… if the patient, on follow-up, reports no positive results, another is handed out, the name of the medication changed (to protect the monetary scam of the pharmaceutical company or competitive company) and the wheels of "finding the ‘right one’ keep on turnin". Quote from lead researcher of published study reporting increased number of suicide attempts among SSRI users than among the sugar pill placebo group. As reported by Wash Post.

…and this is supported not only by the government, but by insurance companies, as well. we sit back and wonder why disorders are at an all-time high, our society being fed a bill of goods with no light at the end of this sickening tunnel, psychology being no longer a helpful hand in solving issues, but being dictated to by the pharmachological community, as pharmaceutical kick-backs are the choice du jour for economic gain.  this now well-oiled machine no longer a last resort for ‘help’ with a truly unsolvable situation, but a systematic scam with a pecking order designed to further economic prosperity within an industry originally designed to aid in recovery, this malfeason, accepted by the population at large… astonishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – just sharing. fig

Response:

I s’pose it’s tacky to laugh in the context of a discussion about suicide. However, "uncommon but serious"?  LOL, does it get any more serious than offing yourself?

yup, right up there with ‘lethargy, sleeplessness, and nausea’. As to the data on anti-depressants, I will say nothing,

now THIS IS truly a miracle !  despite the desire to do otherwise.  :)

(how’s i know he was suppressin’?)  <wink – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Trying for less bias: Gary

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Rat Brain’s Executive Hub Quells Alarm Center if Stress is Controllable Treatments for mood and anxiety disorders are thought to work, in part, by helping patients control the stresses in their lives.

(because actually interacting with consequences and promoting consequences and even parenting with our children was way too difficult and time consuming.)  A new study in rats by National Institutes of Health (NIH) grantees provides insight into the brain mechanisms likely involved. When it deems a stressor controllable, an executive hub in the front of the brain quells an alarm center deep in the brainstem, preventing the adverse behavioral and physiological effects of uncontrollable stress.

(and yes, behavior was controlled by repercussions, awards vs punishment in children, and by dealing with situations as a part of life, as an adult… that wasn’t workin’ for us?  i mean… WE turned out, ok, didn’t we?  (or was that not profitable for tha powers that be?) Lack of control over stressful life experiences has been implicated in mood and anxiety disorders.

(of course there had to be a label there, as previously the sentence could read "learning control over stress life experiences is manageable, paramount to raising our childrens, as coping mechanisms are paramount to health, physical and mental")  Rats exposed to uncontrollable stress develop learned helplessness, a syndrome similar to depression and post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). They lose the ability to learn how to escape stressors.

(we had rat traps back in tha day, now they’re dictating rational behavioral methods for humans)  These signals are sent via the chemical messenger serotonin, which is involved in mood regulation and in mediating the effects of the most widely prescribed antidepressants.

amazin’ stuff.  The medial prefrontal cortex has also been implicated as the source of an "all clear" signal that quells fear in rats.*

well THAT is proof positive. To find out the role of the medial prefrontal cortex, Maier’s team chemically inactivated it in rats that were learning to control a stressor. The animals showed the same brainstem activation and, eventually, the same behaviors characteristic of depression (failure to learn to escape) and anxiety (exaggerated fear conditioning) as rats exposed to uncontrollable stress.

it would be WAY too simple to get em a wheel or sumthin ta take their stress out on, wouldn’t it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "If an organism can cope behaviorally with an event, there’s no need for intense physiological adaptation. It has been assumed that when stressors are uncontrollable the organism learns this, and that it is this uncontrollability that sets off the neural cascade," explained Maier. "However, our data suggest that instead it is control that is the active ingredient. If the organism has control and can cope behaviorally, this is detected by the cortex, which then sends inhibitory signals to the brainstem." In PTSD, which is triggered by uncontrollable stress, medial prefrontal cortex activity is reduced. Proposing an analogous mechanism, Maier speculated that loss of inhibition from the medial prefrontal cortex may explain increased activity of the amygdala (a fear hub) in PTSD.

wonder did them rats suffer PTSD as a result of havin a wheel once then havin it taken away. (does the government get grants for this crap?) Also participating the study were: Drs. Jose Amat, Erin Paul, Sondra Bland, Linda Watkins, and Michael Baratta.

(i bet their family is so proud.)

Response:

Wheels just keep on turnin’, proud Mary keep on burnin…  (breaking into song here in no place ta’ be) G

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::Suicide "is uncommon but serious," Fergusson said in an interview.:: and suicide and drug addictions are listed as ’side effects’… how sick is THAT ! also, there are NO documented success results, but many documented ’side effects’… and these pills are handed out with reckless abandon… if the patient, on follow-up, reports no positive results, another is handed out, the name of the medication changed (to protect the monetary scam of the pharmaceutical company or competitive company) and the wheels of "finding the ‘right one’ keep on turnin". Quote from lead researcher of published study reporting increased number of suicide attempts among SSRI users than among the sugar pill placebo group. As reported by Wash Post. …and this is supported not only by the government, but by insurance companies, as well. we sit back and wonder why disorders are at an all-time high, our society being fed a bill of goods with no light at the end of this sickening tunnel, psychology being no longer a helpful hand in solving issues, but being dictated to by the pharmachological community, as pharmaceutical kick-backs are the choice du jour for economic gain.  this now well-oiled machine no longer a last resort for ‘help’ with a truly unsolvable situation, but a systematic scam with a pecking order designed to further economic prosperity within an industry originally designed to aid in recovery, this malfeason, accepted by the population at large… astonishing. just sharing. fig

Response:

Rat Brain’s Executive Hub Quells Alarm Center if Stress is Controllable Treatments for mood and anxiety disorders are thought to work, in part, by helping patients control the stresses in their lives. (because actually interacting with consequences and promoting consequences and even parenting with our children was way too difficult and time consuming.)

BINGO!

Response:

::Suicide "is uncommon but serious," Fergusson said in an interview.:: Quote from lead researcher of published study reporting increased number of suicide attempts among SSRI users than among the sugar pill placebo group. As reported by Wash Post. just sharing. fig

Interestingly this was just published: Suicide Rates Have Decreased With Increased Use of SSRIs, New-Generation Non-SSRIs Laurie Barclay, MD Feb. 7, 2005

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