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: : Sorry, but there really is no Gulf War Syndrome. The symptoms are :the same : as those reproted by soilders who came back from the Civil War, it :has : been called "shell shock" and times as well as post traumatic stress : disorder. : : I got this information from Dr. Dean Edell’s show, I was driving at :the : time and couldn’t write down the sources of the info, but he is very :good : at checking for hard facts. And you can always call him up and ask :about : it. : : J : :Thanks Jet, I’ll pass it along to those Gulf veterans, especially the 
nes with deformed babies. I thought it was all one way traffic in :the :Gulf, now Iraqui shell shocked vets I could believe. : :John : : : : Incidence of birth defects to Gulf War vets is no different than :incidence in vets who didn’t go. There’s an article on this in the :latest New England Journal of Medicine. : : Steve Harris, M.D. Not so Steve. Seems that the families of Gulf War vets become sick after being with vets. There is research to indicate there was germ warfare going on…the high tech warning signals did go off to indicate chemicals (or biological) hazards. The troops were told they were faulty alarms. It seems the alarms were better made than the protective equipment the soliders had. I am not screaming cover-up…but certainly something is wrong. If we fail to admit such it leaves our soldiers and their families at risk. I, for one, would rather not do that. I do think further investigation is needed…and fortunately is going on. If you need further research data feel free to e-mail me.
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// Not so Steve. Seems that the families of Gulf War vets become sick after being with vets.// That doesn’t mean a damn thing. I saw my nephew throw up the other day, and I was sick for the rest of the day. Now, if you can show that people who come in contact with the vets and have no idea who they are are getting sick, you could be onto something. J Jet Silverman to email me, remove the "X"
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// May I assume you did not remain ill??? The families of the vets remain ill with the same symptomology as the original soldier.// I had the same basic symptomology as my nephew. Again, if someone who has no idea who the person is gets GWS, you might be on to something. Jet Silverman to email me, remove the "X"
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I read in the newspaper last week (Wisconsin State Journal, Madison, Wisconsin 7/14 I believe, p.A2 I think) that it is a result of a chemical warfare plant that was distroyed during the Gulf War and that there were more affected than was first estimated. It is a real physical thing, not psychological. — Jim Scannell Madison, WI USA http://www.execpc.com/~jimscanl/ … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -// May I assume you did not remain ill??? The families of the vets remain ill with the same symptomology as the original soldier.// I had the same basic symptomology as my nephew. Again, if someone who has no idea who the person is gets GWS, you might be on to something. Jet Silverman to email me, remove the "X"
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: :// Not so Steve. Seems that the families of Gulf War vets become sick :after :being with vets.// : :That doesn’t mean a damn thing. I saw my nephew throw up the other day, :and I was sick for the rest of the day. : :Now, if you can show that people who come in contact with the vets and :have no idea who they are are getting sick, you could be onto something. : :J :Jet Silverman : :to email me, remove the "X" May I assume you did not remain ill??? The families of the vets remain ill with the same symptomology as the original soldier.
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// now see what I always thought, you just don’t have a clue. I’m sure you have never been in the military much less combat. // So, can you point out one factual error I have made? No, you can’t becasue I haven’t made one. Just shows what a loser you are. Go back to looking at those "Teen Girls suck cock" web pages. // By the way even the government admits to the problem.// What is "the problem"? J
Here are some Gulf War syndrome links http://www.trufax.org/menu/gulf.html http://www.techmgmt.com/restore/gulfwarp.htm http://www.insigniausa.com/gulflink.htm http://www.dtic.mil/gulflink/ Don’t worry about Jet, I have gotten her trained to disagree with evrything I say. Part of my mind control research. When even the government admit there is such a thing you can rest assured it exists. John
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// Don’t worry about Jet, I have gotten her trained to disagree with evrything I say. // By making sure all you posts are 100% pure horseshit. // Part of my mind control research. // Hoping you might have a mind of your own someday? J
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// Thanks Jet, I’ll pass it along to those Gulf veterans, especially the ones with deformed babies.// John, non Vets have deformed babies too, and there is no evidnece that the rate is any different. // I thought it was all one way traffic in the Gulf, now Iraqui shell shocked vets I could believe. // I’ll pass that on to the Gulf Vets, I’m sure they will be happy to find out that they were not shot at.
Ours were mostly shot at by "friendly" fire. J
In: IAJR http://www.refuse-resist.com/iajr/ 3/19/97: Michael Fumento’s Bad Gas Day March 19, 1997, was not a good day for conspiracy expert Michael Fumento. In the March issue of Reason magazine, Mr. Fumento argues that there is a wild-eyed media conspiracy to create the phenomenon of Gulf War Syndrome when there is no such critter. Not one to hide his merits as a conspiracy sniffer, Mr. Fumento crows, "I have been writing on Gulf War Syndrome since 1993, and to the best of my knowledge I was the first writer to say that there is no Gulf War Syndrome in the accepted sense of the term." If the Pentagon were a writer, this would not be true. So who’s conjuring this syndrome? Mr. Fumento rounds up the usual conspirators: the New York Times, USA Today, 60 Minutes, The Guardian, and Nightline. The main cause of this faux syndrome turns out to be too much television watching and internet surfing: "It isn’t their experience in the Gulf that is haunting them, but rather what they’re seeing on Nightline and other TV shows, what they’re reading in the papers, what they’re hearing from congressional demagogues and from activists, and finally what they hear from their fellow vets in conversations and Internet chatter." Oh those big strong vets, they’re so impressionable. Mr. Fumento may have experienced a Gulf War Syndrome symptom or two himself as he read the New York Times on March 19. Phillip Shenon reported that, "Evidence gathered by the Central Intelligence Agency shows the clouds of nerve gas from the March 1991 demolition of a vast Iraqui ammunition depot may have spread over a much larger area than previously reported, raising the possibility that hundreds of thousands of American troops were exposed to very low doses of chemical weapons shortly after the Persian Gulf War." According to Shenon, no less a conspiracy theorist than the staff of the Presidential Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans’ Illness suggested that the way the military has stonewalled information about what happened in the Gulf "fuels the speculation about a cover-up." Shenon deserves a Pulitzer Prize for his dogged coverage of Gulf War Syndrome. Too bad he hasn’t explored the contagion issue. The spouses and children of many of the sick Gulf War vets have developed symptoms similar to the veterans’. This is the real media hot potato. At least Shenon peppers his stories with an occasional "biological." As in weapons. As in contagious. Gulf War Syndrome http://www.trufax.org/menu/gulf.html http://www.techmgmt.com/restore/gulfwarp.htm http://www.insigniausa.com/gulflink.htm http://www.dtic.mil/gulflink/
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// Thanks Jet, I’ll pass it along to those Gulf veterans, especially the ones with deformed babies.// John, non Vets have deformed babies too, and there is no evidnece that the rate is any different. // I thought it was all one way traffic in the Gulf, now Iraqui shell shocked vets I could believe. // I’ll pass that on to the Gulf Vets, I’m sure they will be happy to find out that they were not shot at. J
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// I can arrange for you to have the Gulf War shots if you want to prove they are harmless?// I would never claim that anything is harmless. If there is any danger I would be exposed to the disease that the vacs are for, and it is a dangerous disease, I would be happy to take the shot. If a rabid dog bit you, you wouldn’t get the shots for rabies? J
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry, but there really is no Gulf War Syndrome. The symptoms are the same as those reproted by soilders who came back from the Civil War, it has been called "shell shock" and times as well as post traumatic stress disorder. I got this information from Dr. Dean Edell’s show, I was driving at the time and couldn’t write down the sources of the info, but he is very good at checking for hard facts. And you can always call him up and ask about it. J Thanks Jet, I’ll pass it along to those Gulf veterans, especially the ones with deformed babies. I thought it was all one way traffic in the Gulf, now Iraqui shell shocked vets I could believe. John
Incidence of birth defects to Gulf War vets is no different than incidence in vets who didn’t go. There’s an article on this in the latest New England Journal of Medicine. Steve Harris, M.D.
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// Thanks Jet, I’ll pass it along to those Gulf veterans, especially the ones with deformed babies.// John, non Vets have deformed babies too, and there is no evidnece that the rate is any different. // I thought it was all one way traffic in the Gulf, now Iraqui shell shocked vets I could believe. // I’ll pass that on to the Gulf Vets, I’m sure they will be happy to find out that they were not shot at. JJet,
I now see what I always thought, you just don’t have a clue. I’m sure you have never been in the military much less combat. You have lost what little bit of credibility you may have had in this newsgroup. I’m sure you will keep posting and showing how little you know about the subject you spout off about, but do try to educate yourself before typing. By the way even the government admits to the problem. — Sincerely, Stanley Check it out: Home Grown Health and Amateur Radio Page http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~stanley/
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// now see what I always thought, you just don’t have a clue. I’m sure you have never been in the military much less combat. // So, can you point out one factual error I have made? No, you can’t becasue I haven’t made one. Just shows what a loser you are. Go back to looking at those "Teen Girls suck cock" web pages. // By the way even the government admits to the problem.// What is "the problem"? J
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Sorry, but there really is no Gulf War Syndrome. The symptoms are the same as those reproted by soilders who came back from the Civil War, it has been called "shell shock" and times as well as post traumatic stress disorder. I got this information from Dr. Dean Edell’s show, I was driving at the time and couldn’t write down the sources of the info, but he is very good at checking for hard facts. And you can always call him up and ask about it. J
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// Immunologists at University College London say they have for the first time established how vaccinations given to troops in the war against Iraq, combined with exposure to insecticides, could cause the symptoms afflicting many// Gee, like they are the first to say the found "the cause". Are you sure it wasn’t fluoride? J
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Sorry, but there really is no Gulf War Syndrome. The symptoms are the same as those reproted by soilders who came back from the Civil War, it has been called "shell shock" and times as well as post traumatic stress disorder. I got this information from Dr. Dean Edell’s show, I was driving at the time and couldn’t write down the sources of the info, but he is very good at checking for hard facts. And you can always call him up and ask about it. J
Thanks Jet, I’ll pass it along to those Gulf veterans, especially the ones with deformed babies. I thought it was all one way traffic in the Gulf, now Iraqui shell shocked vets I could believe. John
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// Immunologists at University College London say they have for the first time established how vaccinations given to troops in the war against Iraq, combined with exposure to insecticides, could cause the symptoms afflicting many// Gee, like they are the first to say the found "the cause". Are you sure it wasn’t fluoride? J
Two posts when one will do? Why don’t you have a cup of coffee now and then to give yourself more time to come up with these really helpful comments, in one post. I can arrange for you to have the Gulf War shots if you want to prove they are harmless? John
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By Hugh Mcmanners, Defence Correspondent. Sunday times 22th June 1997. BRITISH scientists believe they have pinpointed a medical cause for Gulf war syndrome in a breakthrough which could force the Ministry of Defence into paying tens of millions of pounds in compensation. Immunologists at University College London say they have for the first time established how vaccinations given to troops in the war against Iraq, combined with exposure to insecticides, could cause the symptoms afflicting many hundreds of British veterans.The MoD, which has always denied that the syndrome has a single medical explanation, will test the hypothesis as part of the programme of epidemiological studies announced by the conservative government earlier this year.If the theory-to be published this week in the Lancet medical journal-proves correct,it will open the door to massive compensation claims from veterans. For six years,former soldiers have battled to prove that the drug cocktails they were given to protect them against disease and chemical weapons were to blame for their illnesses.Professor Graham Rooy and Dr Alimuddin Zumla, who made the breakthrough, also believe that their work could lead to an effective treatment for Gulf war syndrome using drugs already on the market. Rook said this weekend that the effect of the vaccinations combined with insecticides had been devastating. The drug cocktails suppressed one part of the body’s immune system, known as Th1, which combats viruses and cancers.At the same time Th2, a part of the immune system which normally reacts mildly against pollen or house dust mites, was made hypersensitive to outside irritants.This double effect meant that soldiers were more likely to succumb to common diseases, while also suffering extreme allergic reactions to harmless elements in the atmosphere."A systematic shift towards Th2 leads to patients developing more diseases, partection chronic virus infections, as their Th1 protection is diminished,"said Rook."There is also an increase in allergic symptoms prompted by increases in Th2 reactions, and mood changes which we can attribute to the corresponding changes in their hormone and cytokine levels. This explains the extraordinary diversity of symptoms seen in the Gulf war veterans." Many of the vaccines given to British and American troops in the Gulf, including cholera, anthrax and bubonic plague, are believed to cause the precise immune system changes described by Rook. French troops, who did not receive the same massive drug cocktails as their American and British counterparts, have not suffered the same incidence of Gulf war syndrome. British soldiers often received several vaccinations at once, without proper records being kept:many erroneously received more than one dose of each.
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