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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – diagnosis Along with that page were some binaries. A better practice might be to read, digest and understand a page, determine which parts are actually relevant, and paste some sort of precis of the page along with a reference to the original site. That practice, of course, would involve reading and understanding the material. According to whose interpretation? The kiddie drug pushing propagandantiist employ that tactic all the time. Their interpretation of research never resembles any conclusions researchers evern come to. That’s interesting indeed. I’d like to know more: can you give me an example? R. Allenberg What are your reasons for wishing to know? Are you a sufferer of cognitive accommodation to childhood trauma/abuse? Or, are you the parent responsible for a child who is having to cogntively accommodate childhood trauma/abuse? Or, are you a member of one of the many professions having a vested interest in suppressing/obscuring the reality of the trauma/abuse causes cognitive accommodation by labeling it ADHD instead? Linda, aren’t you going to answer my question without my having to pass some kind of entrance exam? It’s beginning to look to me as though you really are just looking for fights, at any cost. But just so I know in my own mind that I’ve given you every opportunity for civilized dialogue, I’ll ask one more time: you seem to have claimed that people here misrepresent or distort the results of research. I said that was interesting, if true, and asked you for examples. Can you produce any? R. Allenberg It is wearying, and emotionally draining to engage in discussions over issues near and dear to you, with insincere posters. I am feeling very weary and emotionally drained, from having done so for a protracted period, with MM.
It’s your choice, isn’t it. At the current time, I am not interested in engaging in any significant discourse with any other insincere posters. Your unwillingness to answer a simple question, about whether your intrest in attention deficit is owing to your having it, or not, suggests your desire to engage in discussion is an insincere one.
Apart from the fact that the question I asked you was quite a simple one, in response to a rather provocative statement you made, I am quite unwilling to give you any significant information about myself or my personal situation. What I have observed of you thus far tells me that, even if I gave you my complete life’s history, it would not only _not_ be the Rosetta Stone for a meaningful and civil conversation with you, but it would serve as an invitation for a protracted stream of invective, insult and abuse from you. Discussion with people unwilling to exchange info, engage in give and take, arent discussions at all, they are BS INTERROGATIONS.
Translation: "I was blowing smoke about people here distorting the results of research. Since I lied about it in the first place, I’ll just change the subject with more of my trademark abuses and insults." Thanks for the insight. Ta… R. Allenberg
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@warren.leverton.org: the ‘dramtic increase’ is most probably due to both being more diagnosed/noticed rather than any increase in prevelance. So you’re saying that children develop the behavioral/emotional issues that get labeled ‘ADHD’ (among other things) in a complete social vacuum? Bullshit.
your credibility resides in your name
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Along with that page were some binaries. A better practice might be to read, digest and understand a page, determine which parts are actually relevant, and paste some sort of precis of the page along with a reference to the original site. That practice, of course, would involve reading and understanding the material. According to whose interpretation? The kiddie drug pushing propagandantiist employ that tactic all the time. Their interpretation of research never resembles any conclusions researchers evern come to.
That’s interesting indeed. I’d like to know more: can you give me an example? R. Allenberg
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@usenet.per.paradox.net.au: your credibility resides in your name
Yours resides nowhere.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Along with that page were some binaries. A better practice might be to read, digest and understand a page, determine which parts are actually relevant, and paste some sort of precis of the page along with a reference to the original site. That practice, of course, would involve reading and understanding the material. According to whose interpretation? The kiddie drug pushing propagandantiist employ that tactic all the time. Their interpretation of research never resembles any conclusions researchers evern come to. That’s interesting indeed. I’d like to know more: can you give me an example? R. Allenberg What are your reasons for wishing to know? Are you a sufferer of cognitive accommodation to childhood trauma/abuse? Or, are you the parent responsible for a child who is having to cogntively accommodate childhood trauma/abuse? Or, are you a member of one of the many professions having a vested interest in suppressing/obscuring the reality of the trauma/abuse causes cognitive accommodation by labeling it ADHD instead?
I wasn’t aware it was necessary to lay out my life story to have a simple conversation with someone in a newsgroup. It seemed like a simple question to me; you said people here distort the reports of research done by others. If true, that’s interesting, and I’d like to know more. It would make for an interesting discussion, I think. Is there any particular reason you’re insisting on a lot of personal information from me before you participate in that discussion? I don’t see others in this group being held to the same level of scrutiny. R. Allenberg
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @warren.leverton.org: the ‘dramtic increase’ is most probably due to both being more diagnosed/noticed rather than any increase in prevelance. So you’re saying that children develop the behavioral/emotional issues that get labeled ‘ADHD’ (among other things) in a complete social vacuum? Even though the abused children, and those dx’d with ADHD have the same exact symptoms? Abused children do have similar symptoms to ADHD children, the only difference being in the explanation of how injuries occur. At present, the only injuries known for a fact in reality to result in the manifestation of cognitive accommodation aka as ADHD is child hood trauma or abuse. Children suffering trauma of being seperated at birth, children born with congenital birth defects necessitating traumatic medical treatments, children suffering traumatic injury early in life, children witnessing traumatic events…cognitively accommodate to the trauma.
Actually what you describe is more the cause of PTSD or Post Traumatic Stress Disorder … AKA "Shell Shock" to War Vetrians – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So do children physically, sexually, emotionally and verbally abused in early development. Any child who is engaging in cognitive accommodation in children aka as ADHD, who has endured no known and legitmate trauma, treatment ought to be that of an abused child. Only trauma and abuse have been proved to cause the cognitive accommodation occurs AKA as ADHD. Treating children accommodating cognitively as trauma and abuse victims NO MATTER how vehemently abuse is denied, is in the childs best itnerest…and seeing it is the child who is the patient, its reprehensible their not receiveing the treatment in their best interest. parents can deny abuse all they want, but no parent is with their child 7/24 and therefore knows whether their child hasn’t been abused. Abuse isnt always by a parent, abuse can be perpetrated by a psychopathic sibling, grandparent, aunt/uncle, nanny, neighbor, teacher, psyd, MD, clergyman, cousin, boy/girl next door. The denying that each case of cognitive accommodation is a case of possible abuse, means treatment for abuse is withheld, the child is blamed/labeled defective ala ADHD, abused more with chemical toxins, so the abuse goes on and on and on.
And, My own daughter was abused, and has ADHD/combined type, ODD, PTSD and possible OCD…I can see behaviors that are associated with the abuse, but others are definatly ADHD and ODD. Kellie
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Along with that page were some binaries. A better practice might be to read, digest and understand a page, determine which parts are actually relevant, and paste some sort of precis of the page along with a reference to the original site. That practice, of course, would involve reading and understanding the material. According to whose interpretation? The kiddie drug pushing propagandantiist employ that tactic all the time. Their interpretation of research never resembles any conclusions researchers evern come to. That’s interesting indeed. I’d like to know more: can you give me an example? R. Allenberg What are your reasons for wishing to know? Are you a sufferer of cognitive accommodation to childhood trauma/abuse? Or, are you the parent responsible for a child who is having to cogntively accommodate childhood trauma/abuse? Or, are you a member of one of the many professions having a vested interest in suppressing/obscuring the reality of the trauma/abuse causes cognitive accommodation by labeling it ADHD instead?
Linda, aren’t you going to answer my question without my having to pass some kind of entrance exam? It’s beginning to look to me as though you really are just looking for fights, at any cost. But just so I know in my own mind that I’ve given you every opportunity for civilized dialogue, I’ll ask one more time: you seem to have claimed that people here misrepresent or distort the results of research. I said that was interesting, if true, and asked you for examples. Can you produce any? R. Allenberg
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @warren.leverton.org: the ‘dramtic increase’ is most probably due to both being more diagnosed/noticed rather than any increase in prevelance. So you’re saying that children develop the behavioral/emotional issues that get labeled ‘ADHD’ (among other things) in a complete social vacuum? Even though the abused children, and those dx’d with ADHD have the same exact symptoms?
Abused children do have similar symptoms to ADHD children, the only difference being in the explanation of how injuries occur. I have found also in reading this article that it is not the number of actual child abuse cases that were "proven" but the allegations made that they are making this claim about. Going through a custody battle myself, I have met several lawyers and Judges who feel that 99% of the "allegations" made by a parent during a divorce are false. I would wonder how many children’s parents were the victims of Child Protective services before finding out that their child had ADHD? Kellie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bullshit.
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Previous: http://keepinformd.com/HHS/PR/1996/04/960401a.html It seems that the CPS/Child Abuse problem was one of money. They did not have the money to investigate all of these cases. I just don’t see the connection between this and ADHD…explain. Keep in mind also that at least 6 out of 10 child abuse claims (in Maryland) are false accusations, either during a divorce, or angry child. – People aren’t always honest about these things. Kellie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The dramatic increase in child abuse parallels dramatiic increase in diagnosis of ADHD U.S. Dpt of Health & Human Services, Administration for Children and Families http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats.htm Survey Shows Dramatic Increase in Child Abuse and Neglect, 1986-1993 Excerpts from HHS Release, September 18, 1996 Link to Full HHS Release (09/18/96) The Department of Health and Human Services released a survey estimating that child abuse and neglect in the United States nearly doubled during the seven years between 1986 and 1993. According to the HHS study, the number of total child maltreatment instances that were investigated by state agencies remained constant from 1986 to 1993; however, the percentage of cases investigated declined dramatically. "It is shameful and startling to see that so many more children are in danger and that proportionately fewer incidents are investigated," HHS Secretary Donna E. Shalala said. "Now states, schools, health care professionals — all of us — must commit ourselves to investigating and preventing child abuse with far greater effectiveness than we have seen in the past." The report estimated the number of abused and neglected children increased from 1.4 million in 1986, to over 2.8 million in 1993. The number of children who were seriously injured quadrupled from about 143,000 to nearly 570,000. Schools identified the largest number of children at risk, yet state services investigated only 16 percent of these children. For the cases identified in the study, less than 50 percent of children identified as maltreated by any source (except law enforcement) were investigated by child protective services. Shalala said, "We are giving states more flexibility, demanding more accountability and focusing on the only bottom line that matters: results." In regard to sexual victimization, the NIS survey concluded: Girls are sexually abused three times more often than boys; Boys have greater risk of emotional neglect & serious injury than girls. The NIS is funded by HHS National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect and mandated by Congress. Previous NIS studies were released in 1981 and 1988. Link to Health and Human Service press releases.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please don’t post binaries to this newsgroup. Yours crashed my computer. Sorry. I didn’t know it was a binary. Is there some easy way I can tell? If there is an attachment to your post, as there was to yours, chances are it’s a binary. If you open it with a text reader and see just gibberish, it’s binary. Best bet is not to send attachments at all, unless the newsgroup is one set up for binaries in the first place. Hope this helps, I have also found it handy to ensure that my JavaScript is turned off, ’cause every so often a malicious Java Script Loop finds its way into UseNet, which also can crash systems….
Thanks for that.. I’ll check my newsreadr for that now… Tom Boland – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — — Buny to be normal." ~ Albert Camus
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Sorry. I didn’t know it was a binary. Is there some easy way I can tell?
1. Don’t attach files to your messages. 2. Install a good AV program and make sure it is kept up-to-date, so you can be sure your messages aren’t carrying any unwanted passengers. A good freeware antivirus suite can be downloaded from http://www.grisoft.com.
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@warren.leverton.org: the ‘dramtic increase’ is most probably due to both being more diagnosed/noticed rather than any increase in prevelance.
So you’re saying that children develop the behavioral/emotional issues that get labeled ‘ADHD’ (among other things) in a complete social vacuum? Bullshit.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please don’t post binaries to this newsgroup. Yours crashed my computer. Sorry. I didn’t know it was a binary. Is there some easy way I can tell? If there is an attachment to your post, as there was to yours, chances are it’s a binary. If you open it with a text reader and see just gibberish, it’s binary. Best bet is not to send attachments at all, unless the newsgroup is one set up for binaries in the first place. I didn’t create an attachment. The article was copied, as is, from the link I provided. The title portion was copied into the new post, in fancy like text, but appears on the board as plain text.
The way something appears on a website and the way it actually is may be completely separate things. If you simply copy everything from a website and paste into a program like OE, you may be copying a lot of unwanted material–even, I suppose, some malicious scripting. Although you may not intend to send along a binary file, the content posted is still completely the responsibility of the poster. Do you think in order to make a title printed in fancy print, post as plain text, O/E created some sort of attachment, to include instructions how to make the title of post appear in the fancier text?.
I have no idea, since I have never used OE–nor will I ever. I am often posting from a new computer W/Windows XP, I am just getting familiar with. Perhaps, XP is automatically create attachments…where fancy bold text, or the title is in graphics, of articles I try to post to a NG???????
The operating system does not create attachments. What happened is that you copied a web page pretty much in its entirety and pasted it to Usenet. Along with that page were some binaries. A better practice might be to read, digest and understand a page, determine which parts are actually relevant, and paste some sort of precis of the page along with a reference to the original site. That practice, of course, would involve reading and understanding the material. R. Allenberg
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Please don’t post binaries to this newsgroup. Yours crashed my computer. Sorry. I didn’t know it was a binary. Is there some easy way I can tell?
If there is an attachment to your post, as there was to yours, chances are it’s a binary. If you open it with a text reader and see just gibberish, it’s binary. Best bet is not to send attachments at all, unless the newsgroup is one set up for binaries in the first place. Hope this helps, R. Allenberg
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please don’t post binaries to this newsgroup. Yours crashed my computer. Sorry. I didn’t know it was a binary. Is there some easy way I can tell? If there is an attachment to your post, as there was to yours, chances are it’s a binary. If you open it with a text reader and see just gibberish, it’s binary. Best bet is not to send attachments at all, unless the newsgroup is one set up for binaries in the first place. Hope this helps,
I have also found it handy to ensure that my JavaScript is turned off, ’cause every so often a malicious Java Script Loop finds its way into UseNet, which also can crash systems…. — — Buny be normal." ~ Albert Camus
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Please don’t post binaries to this newsgroup. Yours crashed my computer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The dramatic increase in child abuse parallels dramatiic increase in diagnosis of ADHD U.S. Dpt of Health & Human Services, Administration for Children and Families http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats.htm Survey Shows Dramatic Increase in Child Abuse and Neglect, 1986-1993 Excerpts from HHS Release, September 18, 1996 Link to Full HHS Release (09/18/96) The Department of Health and Human Services released a survey estimating that child abuse and neglect in the United States nearly doubled during the seven years between 1986 and 1993.
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